bach's remedy

[slee]

Is it possible the bach's can have an opposite effect? What else could I use to calm my grey before teeth trimming? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. :thankyou

[Anne]

Hey, anything is possible. Every body type has it's own way of reacting.

[BigNibbler]

Does everyone feel that Rescue remedy really works?
I was a skeptic.
Spoke to persons who insist it works.
Used it, without real hard evidence that it does work.
Read critical reports that it has never been proven clinically to work.
See how many here speak as if it does work.

In my past life, I was involved with freeing people from misinformation.
So I now ask, what you really think?
Is it possible that we all think it works because we want so much to believe it works and the evidence we have, is not controlled testing so time and conditions, lead to relaxation.

Have any heart rate, blood pressure, respiration tests been done?
Any real strong evidence out there?
Love to know, if it really affects animals as much as the humans administering it.

Figured I would continue this tread, if OK ?

[SammysMom]

The human grade one which is alcohol based worked on Sammy. The animal one which is not alcohol based did NOT work on Sammy. Anecdotally, I guess that means it did work.:thinking

[Unikorngrrl]

I just bought it yesterday to use on War. I have put it on all 4 paws twice as CritterMom suggested. I don't know how to tell if it's working, however I figure it can't hurt! I'll let you know if I can figure it out. I need a stethoscope!! Then I could tell you about heart rate at least :dono :thinking

[BigNibbler]

To Sammy and Unikk, my compliments on an honest assessment.
I am impressed.
Objectivity lives!
And a little Vodka, does not hurt !

[Unikorngrrl]

To Sammy and Unikk, my compliments on an honest assessment.
I am impressed.
Objectivity lives!
And a little Vodka, does not hurt !
OHHHHhhh...are you supplying the vodka?!? The last few days have been rough. LOL I keep talking about having a drink. You fell into that one ;) :poke :poke

Oh and Hrt4squrls suggested the remedy to me also.

[SammysMom]

Oh goodness...make mine Grey Goose!:D
To Sammy and Unikk, my compliments on an honest assessment.
I am impressed.
Objectivity lives!
And a little Vodka, does not hurt !

[stepnstone]

I've used it on my girl and honestly can't tell you if it made any difference at all.
However, I used it on a little male I was treating that was really stressed out
(same batch) and it worked like a charm!
I was even surprised at just how effective it was on him!

[CritterMom]

Yes, you need the alcohol based. It is fantastic with birds. I work in a building in the midst of a bunch of marshland with lots of windows - and there are lots of birds. I probably have 2 or 3 a month either brought to me or me to them. I spray their feet with RR and tuck them into a little box with paper towels jammed in and an indentation just about the size of the bird. Close it up and tuck it into my desk for a half hour and about 90% of the time they fly right off. I occasionally use it on my parrots as well.

In a mammal, the most remarkable case is a woman I work with who saw me do the RR thing with a bird and got it for her cat from absolute hell that would shred everyone within a mile of the vet or groomer and her turnaround was so dramatic that the vet was pretty convinced it was a different cat. I bet her poor husband is buying it in 50 gallon vats...

It does calm and the degree to which it does seems to differ from animal to animal but what I like it for is shock. It is the first thing I grab for shock.

[Rhapsody]

I always buy the liquid kind (not spray) from Chris's Squirrels & More and I let my squirrels drink a little of it as well as place some on their paws and behind their ears, then I give it 30 minutes to work.... the Bach Remedy has never failed me.

Link:
http://www.squirrelsandmore.com/

[Busysqrl]

I've always used the alcohol based kind of RR and it worked well on both my squirrels, they are bigger squirrels, each about 850grams, so I gave them 4 drops each mixed with some water and it worked like a charm!

[BigNibbler]

Thank you Busy,
I always thought that was a topical treatment, like by ears and paws.
BN

[CritterMom]

Thank you Busy,
I always thought that was a topical treatment, like by ears and paws.
BN

No, but it is actually in the alcohol base, and most animals do NOT want to consume it straight. So letting it work transdermally means they don't have to taste it.

It's for people... I wouln't fly without this in my purse!

[BigNibbler]

No, but it is actually in the alcohol base, and most animals do NOT want to consume it straight. So letting it work transdermally means they don't have to taste it.

It's for people... I wouln't fly without this in my purse!

Purses can be an advantage.
But is the alcohol at work or the flower power?
Could be the alcohol is the active ingredient, and the other ingredients are the sales pitch. If it is the alcohol, might not 140 proof vodka, transdermally be as effective?

[CritterMom]

Purses can be an advantage.
But is the alcohol at work or the flower power?
Could be the alcohol is the active ingredient, and the other ingredients are the sales pitch. If it is the alcohol, might not 140 proof vodka, transdermally be as effective?


It is actually in a brandy base! And I am a cheap date but even I can't catch a buzz from a dropperful of alcohol!!

[Sweet Simon's Mommy]

I just saw this.....
With Simon... I rubbed it , sprayed it,gave it to him straight in the syringe.
It just pissed him off. It seemed to me , anything that made him feel "different" upset him, even benadryl. NOTHING calmed that boy down.

[Anne]

Did you know that Bach makes a chewing gum? Great for my ADHD grand-daughter!

[acorniv]

Thought I'd put my 2 cents worh in the pot here:

#1, My parents were scientists, so I am a skeptic by nature. When I first learned about Rescue Remedy, and several times since, I've done searches, looking for complaints about it. Although the product has been around since the 1930's, no one seems to have any problem with it, except for Quackwatch, a website that run by a lobby group for the pharmaceutical industry, and they try to discredit everything that doesn't require a prescription. (Quackwatch is a sister organization to Humanewatch, which works on behalf of the meat industry to attack groups and individuals that fight for the humane treatment of animals)

#2, I've been using RR for over 12 years

#3 When I started only the original was available. I've tried the others and they don't work. There is such a tiny bit of alcohol that I don't believe that is what works. Instead, I think that alcohol is a more stable vehicle for the flowers.

#4 initially I put it on my finger and rubbed it in their ear. I recently switched to putting drops directly on their feet.

#5 I have not noticed a difference in response to different doses. More does not seem to be better.


FAMILY USE:

I was introduced to RR by a friend because our 7 yo sons were playing and had some sort of tussle. She phoned and said she was giving some to her son, and did I mind if she also gave some to mine, adding that it has no side effects? On the basis of my history with her, and the knowledge that she was very discriminating, I said yes. When my son came home I asked him about it. He said he felt nothing, except better. "mom" he said "I don't know what ithat stuff but it really made me feel better; can we buy some? So, I bought a bottle and tried it on myself. I noticed nothing. But he did, and has been using it as needed, and swearing by it ever since. More on other species we've used it on later.

When the internet grew enough for good searches, I began digging for complaints about it. There were NONE. I used all kinds of adjectives in my search. It came up clean as a whistle, which for a product that has been around since the 1930s, is pretty darned good.

ANIMAL USE:

My first squirrel had seizures. If anything startled her, she'd seize. The first time, my son, who does wilderness search and rescue and first aid for both humans and animals, suggested RR. It immediately stopped her seizure, allowing me to pick her up and comfort and warm her. She had 4 more seizures, each shorter in duration than the last, as she learned to simply run to me when scared.

Then we got wild bunnies, which tend to go into shock. That is when I began dosing all rehabs first thing.

Then my dd asked to use it on a horse at the YMCA she worked at. The horse became much calmer.

The manager of the barn there asked if he could bring in his dog, who was chewing holes in himself. I showed him how to dose him, and he bought a bottle and reported that he now only does it when he's left alone

Last week, I had the most convincing incident of all. I was at our local Humane Society, and they needed help trimming nails on cats. They have an adult only room with 2-3 dozen cats in it. The second cat panicked and began jumping around the room, throwing all the other cats into a frenzy too. Amid the hissing growling and smacking, someone ran for the RR ( I introduced them to it years ago). We dosed whomever we could catch, and as I put drops on the 4th paw, the entire room suddenly calmed down. There were three people present and we all agreed we've never seen a cat melee stop so abruptly, and this one involved dozens of cats. We all know animals communicate with each other - sometimes in ways we may not understand. I think when we dosed the handful of cats, they communicated a sense of wellbeing to the others.

Conclusion: this is an essential and perfectly safe tool for anyone who deals with animals ( or children).