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    Quote Originally Posted by stepnstone View Post
    I realize you are getting conflicting advice, sorry about that but this is not at all what one can expect with AP.
    Yes I didn't see that part Step - I just read she was napping most of the time and that was concerning to me. But if she is indeed active, I too would hold of on giving ABs for now since as you stated, they are so hard on the tummy.
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    I think sometimes when these babies snort formula it causes a small pocket of fluid in their sinus cavity that gives off a click as air is passed around it until the fluid dissipates. When this happens one can hear the click fairly prominent in the upper respiratory and not so much coming from the lower respiratory area around their lungs. It's hard not to want to panic anytime a click is present but the difference between fluid in the sinus and fluid in the lungs is generally apparent with the classic symptoms of AP which has generally presented itself by the time the click is even detected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stepnstone View Post
    I think sometimes when these babies snort formula it causes a small pocket of fluid in their sinus cavity that gives off a click as air is passed around it until the fluid dissipates. When this happens one can hear the click fairly prominent in the upper respiratory and not so much coming from the lower respiratory area around their lungs. It's hard not to want to panic anytime a click is present but the difference between fluid in the sinus and fluid in the lungs is generally apparent with the classic symptoms of AP which has generally presented itself by the time the click is even detected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milo's Mom View Post
    Beautiful post!!
    Hey guys,
    Thank you for all the advice I gave her one dose of meds the vet suggested it just to be safe with her.. it's .02 on a 1cc syringe. Now I'm wondering if I should
    Stop and not continue it ? She ate her last feeding and got irritated with me because I was trying to wipe formula off. She does rest a lot but once it's feeding time she is very active and alert.
    I guess now I'm wondering if I should stop the meds? I don't want to hurt her stomach 🙁 And I do think she is straining to poop a bit but as of yesterday still pooping.
    Still no clicking or open mouth breathing so I'm wondering if she is fine ? And I'm medicating her for nothing ? But then again is better to be safe based on last night?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milo's Mom View Post
    Beautiful post!!
    That really sounds like what happened with her. Now I hope I didn't mess up her tummy by giving her a does of antibiotics. Can I stop them or do I have to wean off them ?

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    HRT4SQRLS posted a wonderful thread on how to easily hear them clicking.
    And stepnstone made a great observation as well.
    Also in stepnstone's post he created another thread, click that link on as well.
    Excellent information, absolutely excellent!

    I think they're both worth reposting.

    Quote Originally Posted by HRT4SQRLS View Post
    I couldn't find a place that seemed appropriate for this so I decided to put it here.

    Last week I received a baby grey that was about 6 weeks old. The finder had her for 24 hrs and was feeding human baby formula. She didn't have a syringe so I'm not sure what she was using to feed her.

    I picked her up around 7:30 in the evening. I put her in a deep Rubbermaid bin with fleece on heat. When she was warm I started hydrating and she took a little but was not enthusiastic about it. I continued offering the fluid with minimal success.

    At 11PM, I approached the bin and I could hear it VERY clearly. The baby was clicking. The unusual thing was that the Rubbermaid bin actually served to amplify or concentrate the sound like a speaker. When I took the lid off, I could hear nothing. I ABSOLUTELY could not hear clicking from the baby at all. I put the lid back on and I could hear the clicking again. I was so amazed that the Rubbermaid bin (16x12x11deep) amplified the sound. Without this, I would have missed it and the baby would have died.

    I dosed the baby with Cipro immediately. The next morning I dosed again. The baby was doing very poorly. At around 8AM, my mom got 0.3ml of formula in her. At around 11AM she took 1.2ml enthusiastically and started to improve rapidly. Now you can't fill the girl up. She is doing great.

    I just wanted to post this due to the unusual way that the clicking was picked up. The bin acted as a speaker and amplified the sound. I was curious if anyone else has noticed thing. For me it was an 'aha' moment. Maybe this could help someone also.
    Quote Originally Posted by stepnstone View Post
    A year ago this same month I made a similar post calling it the "phantom click."
    http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/s...-phantom-click
    I know my hearing can be "challenged" at my age but I no longer believe "the click"
    is going to be all that audible with every case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nancy in New York View Post
    HRT4SQRLS posted a wonderful thread on how to easily hear them clicking.
    And stepnstone made a great observation as well.
    Also in stepnstone's post he created another thread, click that link on as well.
    Excellent information, absolutely excellent!

    I think they're both worth reposting.
    Wow! That seems a lot like her too. I'd hear it for a bit then it'd go away then again then goes away But she would be in her little box when I would hear it so that's interesting maybe that's I'm not hearing much bc she Has been in her big cage all day today. I have a stethoscope at my moms I'm going there tomorrow morning I think to be safe I'll give her the second dose antibiotics tonight and I'll check her with stethoscope in the morning. She is suppose to be on them twice a day for 10 days. Is that how long they usually are on them? At this point since I gave her it this morning already I think it's worth it to be safe to give it to her tonight? She is still active before a feeding and still eating but I feel like a couple days she was a wild child and she seems more mellow the last couple days not drastically but that plus the incident last night she Had me really concerned.
    Thank you for sharing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maple17 View Post
    Wow! That seems a lot like her too. I'd hear it for a bit then it'd go away then again then goes away But she would be in her little box when I would hear it so that's interesting maybe that's I'm not hearing much bc she Has been in her big cage all day today. I have a stethoscope at my moms I'm going there tomorrow morning I think to be safe I'll give her the second dose antibiotics tonight and I'll check her with stethoscope in the morning. She is suppose to be on them twice a day for 10 days. Is that how long they usually are on them? At this point since I gave her it this morning already I think it's worth it to be safe to give it to her tonight? She is still active before a feeding and still eating but I feel like a couple days she was a wild child and she seems more mellow the last couple days not drastically but that plus the incident last night she Had me really concerned.
    Thank you for sharing!
    We typically don't like to start abs. and then stop. But if the bin
    amplified it, I would give her the second dose tonight.
    Get the stethescope and listen tomorrow.
    Remember to give probiotics 2 hours prior or after dosing any antibiotics.
    Also, keep them well hydrated when on any meds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nancy in New York View Post
    We typically don't like to start abs. and then stop. But if the bin
    amplified it, I would give her the second dose tonight.
    Get the stethescope and listen tomorrow.
    Remember to give probiotics 2 hours prior or after dosing any antibiotics.
    Also, keep them well hydrated when on any meds.
    Ok her formula has probiotics. Should I be adding extra probiotics as well? I've seen some people do yogurt ? Or is there a better one to give that I can pick up at pet store or cvs ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maple17 View Post
    Ok her formula has probiotics. Should I be adding extra probiotics as well? I've seen some people do yogurt ? Or is there a better one to give that I can pick up at pet store or cvs ?
    These are the ones I use.
    Pull them apart and add about this size (O) to either formula or something
    she eats or drinks.
    Some will even lick it off your finger.
    AND these are CVS brand too!

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    Thank you so much I'll be getting those before her next dose.

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    How are things going?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mel1959 View Post
    How are things going?
    The antibiotics I believe were necessary she seemed much more active this morning and afternoon although now she seems to be having some runny poo and bloat is this from antibiotics ? I am doing the probiotics from cvs mixed with a little sugar water because she will not drink it alone. Is this normal or should I be concerned about the diarrhea ? It seems like she has partial solid and some diarrhea it was a little at first but when I checked on her a bit later there was more diarrhea. Other than that she is still eating well. And still munching her blocks. I should say too the blocks, antibiotics, and probiotics were all introduced very close to each other so I'm not entirely sure what's cause of it. She seems ok I'm just a little worried about runny poop now.

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    Please refresh me.
    What antibiotics did the vet suggest, and what is the dose you are giving?
    Hydrate her in between feeding with pedialyte.
    Anytime they have diarrhea they lose electrolytes.
    Are you feeding Powdered Pupply Esbilac?
    What amount are you feeding her at each feeding?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nancy in New York View Post
    Please refresh me.
    What antibiotics did the vet suggest, and what is the dose you are giving?
    Hydrate her in between feeding with pedialyte.
    Anytime they have diarrhea they lose electrolytes.
    Are you feeding Powdered Pupply Esbilac?
    What amount are you feeding her at each feeding?
    She is taking clavamox .2cc twice a day for 10 days today is day two
    She is 136 grams and we feed esbilac 9cc each feeding (every4-5hours) plus she has a Henry's block she munches on as well. Her night feeding is at 11 and so her next meds should I do her regular feeding ? Is it ok do a little watered down formula for her night feeding? I won't be able to get pedialyt till the morning?
    I should state that before antibiotics even started I noticed she was looking a little bloated but she still had normal poop

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maple17 View Post
    She is taking clavamox .2cc twice a day for 10 days today is day two
    She is 136 grams and we feed esbilac 9cc each feeding (every4-5hours) plus she has a Henry's block she munches on as well. Her night feeding is at 11 and so her next meds should I do her regular feeding ? Is it ok do a little watered down formula for her night feeding? I won't be able to get pedialyt till the morning?
    I should state that before antibiotics even started I noticed she was looking a little bloated but she still had normal poop

    Can you post a picture of the bottle of Clavamox?
    I need to see the strength or can you tell me the strength.
    This dose is extremely high if it's dosed according to our book.
    What is her weight again?

    Edit: OK missed it the first time, I see it's 136 grams.

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    OK I see her weight is 136 grams.
    What is the strength of your Clavamox?

    Are you feeding POWDERED Esbilac where you have to add water?

    EDIT: We desperately need to know EXACTLTY what formula you are feeding.
    Take a picture of the can, this could be the source of her tummy issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nancy in New York View Post
    OK I see her weight is 136 grams.
    What is the strength of your Clavamox?

    Are you feeding POWDERED Esbilac where you have to add water?

    EDIT: We desperately need to know EXACTLTY what formula you are feeding.
    Take a picture of the can, this could be the source of her tummy issues.
    No problem. Here is a pic of her formula it's the powder one. Also she is on 15ml clavamox drops .2cc a day. Name:  image.jpg
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    That defiantly is the right formula and you are mixing it 2 parts water, one part powder, right? Also, Nancy asked if you could post a picture of the Clavamox bottle so she can make sure it has been dosed correctly. If she is on too high of a dose, it could very well cause digestive issues. I am glad to hear she is more active since you started the meds. Hope she will continue to improve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maple17 View Post
    No problem. Here is a pic of her formula it's the powder one. Also she is on 15ml clavamox drops .2cc a day.
    I "believe" that's a strength of 62.5.
    If that's true which I think it is the dose should be 0.04
    .2 would be the amount for a squirrel weighing ~ 650 grams.
    PLEASE DOUBLE CHECK THAT DOSE!


    Is this what your Clavamox looks like?
    If so did the vet already add suspension/reconstitute this?




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