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    Quote Originally Posted by Salty View Post
    Hello Mel1959!
    Kuzia is improving, i think. More movement, more vigorous chewing on the blocks, more eating! Stays out for longer time, too. Problem is, he starting to hate the medicine more and more, with each administering. But, there is a positive to it, too. After i give the medicine, to get rid of the bad taste, he chews on Zupreem blocks like never before. I was trying to get him to eat it, and now he starting to develop a taste for it, i hope. I have read that these blocks can be his main food, so it is a good thing. He ate one today while sitting on my shoulder, without any medicine, almost finished it too.
    We are contacting one place tomorrow, hope it will work out.
    Hi Salty:
    How is Kuzia doing, how is his eye, and were you successful in getting a Vet visit arranged?

    I'm glad that Kuzia is eating well but I would like to deliver a sort of caution to you in regard to the Zupreem diet! To be honest, I do not have any experience using any of the Zupreem products with my Squirrels but there is a reason for this and that forms the basis for my caution to you! Zupreem makes what may very well be great bird food, Ferret food and food for certain zoo animals but I am not aware of them producing a diet designed for Squirrels, rats, mice or any rodents! Squirrel and closely related rodents such as Rats have special dietary needs and concerns and their dietary requirements differ from those of Ferrets. For one, Ferrets may be omnivores (animals that eat both plants and meat but they are primarily carnivorous. Squirrels may technically be omnivorous as well but they are effectively Herbivores (plant eating).

    My recommendation would be to transition Kuzia to a quality RODENT diet such as Teklad 2018 or Mazuri Rat and Mouse Diet or Henry's Healthy Blocks! These are made specifically for rodents and both have had extensive successful utilization as nutritional support for Squirrels! Mazuri Rat and Mouse Diet is available at most pet stores such as PetSmart and from Chewy. The Teklad 2018 is not as a rule available in pet stores but can often be procured at a Feed Store BUT a large bag is all that is available from the manufacturer and can be expensive and end up wasted! I use Teklad 2018 for most of the Squirrels in my care and I have purchased smaller, less expensive, and more manageable quantities from an eBay seller call ecoSandy. I have been buying Teklad Blocks from her for years without any issues. You can order just about any size bag of Teklad Blocks you might want. Here is a link to ecoSandy's eBay page for Teklad 2018. If you are interested, you can take a look at this;

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/33559954224...Bk9SR6zLg8ydZQ

    Another option would be to use Henry's Healthy Blocks (HHBs). These are a CONCENTRATED food source specifically formulated for Squirrels! An "average" (NOT a Flyer or Groundhog!) will receive ALL of the necessary Calcium along with ALL other nutritional requirements and recommendations by consuming just two HHBs (about 10 Grams) each day and the MAXIMUM number of HHBs given each day should NOT exceed three. Here is a link to Henry's page for their blocks. Of the options, I would recommend the Picky Blocks; https://henryspets.com/squirrel-blocks/

    If using HHBs, you will need other food sources to help you Squirrel feel full. There can be provided by using some Teklad or Mazuri Blocks and/or based upon the Henry's Healthy Food Pyramid where the wide base is the healthiest foods which are quality Blocks and as you move up the pyramid to the tip, the nutritional values go down and at the tip you will find the treats such as nuts and fruits. Yes, for a captive Squirrel, nuts and fruits are treats! All captive Squirrels should have at least 80% of their diet comprised of quality Blocks and any remainder should be comprised of items from the lowere levels of the Pyramid and only rare treats if any at all! Here is a link to Henry's Healthy Food Pyramid; https://henryspets.com/healthy-diet-for-pet-squirrels/

    Please keep on with updates about Kuzia!
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    Hello SamtheSquirrel2018! Thank you for the link, i will order some Teklad for Kuzia. We have tried Mazuri once, he liked it even less than ZuPreem, have to try it again. Henrys Blocks he is getting now, and Walnut and Picky are his favorites. ZuPreem was recommended to us by the rehaber that also helped us to treat his first MDB. Other than that, i have not taken him off fruits yet, but planning to do so.
    His eye seem better, but tonight, when we took him out from his sleeping place to give him medicine + calcium, his right (the sick) eye was halfway closed. There was no liquid of any color that i could see, so hopefully it is ok. He then went back to sleep, so we will see tomorrow.
    Doctor was off, and supposedly will be back this Monday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salty View Post
    Hello SamtheSquirrel2018! Thank you for the link, i will order some Teklad for Kuzia. We have tried Mazuri once, he liked it even less than ZuPreem, have to try it again. Henrys Blocks he is getting now, and Walnut and Picky are his favorites. ZuPreem was recommended to us by the rehaber that also helped us to treat his first MDB. Other than that, i have not taken him off fruits yet, but planning to do so.
    His eye seem better, but tonight, when we took him out from his sleeping place to give him medicine + calcium, his right (the sick) eye was halfway closed. There was no liquid of any color that i could see, so hopefully it is ok. He then went back to sleep, so we will see tomorrow.
    Doctor was off, and supposedly will be back this Monday.
    Thank you for the update, Salty! Please let us know if you were successful in contacting the Vet today and arranging an appointment!

    Is Kuzia fully consuming two Henry's Block? If so, as I mentioned in my preceding post, just two HHBs will provide ALL of Kuzias necessary and recommended daily nutritional components including Maintenance Calcium (but NOT extra Calcium that would be necessary for treatment of MBD). The one problem with HHBs is that they are a relatively concentrated food source and should NOT be free-fed (free-feeding is when you give as much of a food source as the Squirrel wants) and the MAXIMUM number of HHBs for an "average" Squirrel to consume in one day is three. Two HHBs weigh approximately 10 Grams and of course, three would be around 15 Grams. You will need provide other foods for satiety (so the Squirrel will feel full). The ideal means to do this with other Blocks that can be Free-fed such as the Teklad or Mazuri Blocks. Other choices can be taken from the lower levels of Henry's Health Foods Pyramid.

    Thanks for the updates! Please continue them!
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    Hello Everyone! Sorry for not replying right away!

    I made a video of Kuzia today, it shows his eye well. It has a protrusion, but inflammation is gone, as far as i can tell. We give calcium, stopped on antibiotics and ibuprofen. He is much more active now.

    Here is the video, it gets a little funny at the end:
    https://vimeo.com/1056621948/224812976e

    As you can see, it is kind of difficult to tell exactly how much of the block he eats, as he crumbles a good portion of it. I think sometimes half a block, sometimes 2/3.
    As for the food from the pyramid, i plan to switch him from fruits, (and using it as a main course to only giving it as treats) to greens when he feels a little better. Teklad pellets will get here soon.

    Strange, how he would be catching with his claws one day, yesterday in particular, and not today. I guess, it is ongoing battle with mdb, but radical change from day to day is what amazes me, how fast it can change.

    Still have not made vet appointment, as doctor is off again. They said Monday again, so i will call then.

    Thank you!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salty View Post
    Hello Everyone! Sorry for not replying right away!

    I made a video of Kuzia today, it shows his eye well. It has a protrusion, but inflammation is gone, as far as i can tell. We give calcium, stopped on antibiotics and ibuprofen. He is much more active now.

    Here is the video, it gets a little funny at the end:
    https://vimeo.com/1056621948/224812976e

    As you can see, it is kind of difficult to tell exactly how much of the block he eats, as he crumbles a good portion of it. I think sometimes half a block, sometimes 2/3.
    As for the food from the pyramid, i plan to switch him from fruits, (and using it as a main course to only giving it as treats) to greens when he feels a little better. Teklad pellets will get here soon.

    Strange, how he would be catching with his claws one day, yesterday in particular, and not today. I guess, it is ongoing battle with mdb, but radical change from day to day is what amazes me, how fast it can change.

    Still have not made vet appointment, as doctor is off again. They said Monday again, so i will call then.

    Thank you!!
    Hi Salty:
    IMHO, Kuzia appears and behaves as would be expected of a generally healthy Squirrel! As far as this relatively normal behavior having any bearing on assessing the current state of Kuzia's MBD (should it exist but again, I suspect that it does or is at very high risk for this at the very best!); this "normal" behavior is NOT a reliable way do do! Yes, seizures, weakness, paralysis, loss of appetite are all very serious and common signs of MBD, their absence or their relatively quick resolution with beginning treatment does NOT eliminate or even minimally mitigate the true seriousness of MBD! I would encourage you, Salty; to not just "plan" to switch from fruits and treats but completely eliminate at least for several months; any fruits, nuts or treats and concentrate on providing 2-3 HHBs (three is the maximum for HHBs) and supplementing with the Teklad Blocks which can be free-fed (give as many as Kuzia wants). You should have TWO Calcium goals; the first, once again is to supple needed daily Calcium for Maintenance and this should amount be ensured EVERY DAY of Kuzia's life. Around 250mg of ELEMENTAL Calcium EVERY DAY is a reasonable amount of Maintenance Calcium. Assuming that Kuzia does have MBD even though he does not currently show clinical evidence of this (again, this would be as mentioned, decreased appetite, seizures, weakness, etc); he should have additional Supplemental Calcium to restore what should be his normal Calcium stores within his bones!

    In Kuzia's video, it certainly does appear that he wastes some of the Henry's Block and you can estimate this waste (or even weigh it) and give an additional HHB (or portion thereof) to make up for the waste and to ensure that Kuzia gets his calculated Calcium along with optimal nutrition!

    For at least the first 3 weeks (my modification on Henry's protocol which says 2 weeks but going slower is IMHO, a prudent strategy! Initially, another 250mg of Elemental Calcium divided into 4 or even better, 5 doses given over the entire day will be necessary! Oftentimes, a Squirrel can have very serious signs of MBD and just the first several doses of Calcium can result in cessation of the abnormal signs BUT this is NOT an indication that the MBD is "cured" or even adequately treated. Everything must be continuously monitored and and controlled! Also, I understand what you are implying by stating the MBD is ongoing battle but the "secret" to treating MBD is to be calculated, persistent and consistent in your treatment protocol not matter how good the Squirrel may seem! It is essential to keep in mind that resolution or the reaching maximal benefit (for those Squirrels who will not return to normal) ALWAYS takes more that 6 months and may take a year or more!

    Thanks for the video and the update! Please post more!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamtheSquirrel2018 View Post
    Hi Salty:
    ... Around 250mg of ELEMENTAL Calcium EVERY DAY is a reasonable amount of Maintenance Calcium. ..
    SamtheSquirrel
    Sounds much easier than it is!
    250 mg, means 1250mg of Calcium Citrate.
    Not to mention magnesium also needed.

    That requires masking with a lot more foodstuff.
    And making sure that it gets eaten.

    Over my year long quest to get MySqurrel to take Calcium, I found that the only foods that have
    any chance of enticing her to ingest the calcium, are nut based foods.
    Over the past year, I have been testing all kinds of mixes and found that my custom blocks made of
    Ground blanched filberts, mixed approximately 50% with ground rodent nugget dust - is the most effective.
    But that means she is taking in so much calcium to offset the phosphorus in the nuts, that i worry it cannot avoid
    leading to kidney failure or at minimum kidney stones.

    Very tough!

    She does not want avocado, papaya, or fifty other foods I have tried to mask the calcium.
    I just started experiment with some concentrated flavoring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigNibbler View Post
    Sounds much easier than it is!
    250 mg, means 1250mg of Calcium Citrate.
    Not to mention magnesium also needed.

    That requires masking with a lot more foodstuff.
    And making sure that it gets eaten.

    Over my year long quest to get MySqurrel to take Calcium, I found that the only foods that have
    any chance of enticing her to ingest the calcium, are nut based foods.
    Over the past year, I have been testing all kinds of mixes and found that my custom blocks made of
    Ground blanched filberts, mixed approximately 50% with ground rodent nugget dust - is the most effective.
    But that means she is taking in so much calcium to offset the phosphorus in the nuts, that i worry it cannot avoid
    leading to kidney failure or at minimum kidney stones.

    Very tough!

    She does not want avocado, papaya, or fifty other foods I have tried to mask the calcium.
    I just started experiment with some concentrated flavoring.
    Hi BN. I know that you have been all over the place trying to find the handle for optimal nutrition program for MySquirrel!

    Just some comments prompted by what you have posted;
    In regard to just general Calcium dosing, I do NOT ordinarily use Calcium Citrate for the reason you noted; it contain only 21% Elemental Calcium and Calcium Carbonate contains 40% Elemental Calcium. I know that there have been some potential advantages cited for using using calcium Citrate but some of those are in regard to human use and not animal use. For instance, it is commonly said that dosing of Calcium citrate does not require giving the dose with food and/or having an acidic state in the stomach but that is usually a potential issue only with how humans take there supplemental Calcium and by taking calcium tablets. Humans may take them between meals or during meals or after recent food consumption. Almost without exception; when we give our Squirrels Calcium, it with the Calcium already incorporated into some sort of food already so this issue may be of less concern with animals!

    Also, it has been said the the citrate may be helpful in minimizing risk of some particular kidney stones but for the average relatively young Squirrel without any history of kidney stones, my personal opinion is that this is not a compelling reason to opt for the citrate preparation either! There is also some suggestion that absorption of the Calcium citrate may be more efficient than absorption of Calcium Carbonate but even if that is true, the extra commonly cited range of better absorption by around 20% does not offset the 100% ADDITIONAL Elemental Calcium contained in the same weight of Calcium carbonate!

    Also, I have tried to point out that many Squirrels find HHBs are relatively acceptable (tasty maybe!) and are a highly concentrated nutritional formulation! This can be ideal for Squirrels with MBD as appetite is often decreased and the bones themselves are often painful and the relatively soft consistency of the HHBs are an added plus in facilitating their consumption as it may not hurt (as much) to eat them!

    As far as providing for the "average" Squirrel's Daily Maintenance Elemental Calcium requirements; if only two HHBs are consumed each day, this will (according to Henry's) supply 275mg of elemental Calcium and this is actually a bit more than the 250mg I consider to be the goal for daily Maintenance Calcium! IF a Squirrel with MBD should be inclined to eat another (Three HHBs daily should be considered the maximum); this Squirrel will be getting an additional around 125mg of Supplemental (Treatment) Elemental Calcium which is half the recommended initial Treatment Calcium of 250mg (the total Elemental Calcium at initiation of treatment is 500mg which includes 250mg of Maintenance Calcium which should be continued forever and an additional 250mg of supplemental or Treatment Elemental Calcium to begin replenishment the lost stores of calcium in the Squirrel's bones). So, if the Squirrel is eating two HHBs daily, the Maintenance Calcium is provided entirely by these two blocks and it would be necessary for the Squirrel to be provided an additional 625mg of Calcium Carbonate divided into 4-5 servings (and mixed with something that can be healthy such as a paste made made with Teklad or Mazuri Blocks or other satisfactory substance. This is where there may need to be a "trade-off" for some phosphorus containing substance but the Calcium phosphorus ratio can easily kept at or above the ideal of 2:1! If the Squirrel was consuming three HHBs daily, this would provide around 125mg of the Supplemental Calcium required at initiation of MBD treatment so only and additional 300-320 mg of Calcium Carbonate would be required to provide the remaining 125mg of Supplemental Calcium and again, this should be divided into 4-5 servings throughout the day. As Treatment for MBD progresses, the amount of Supplemental (Treatment) Calcium decreases and toward the end of the treatment program, assuming that the Squirrel is consuming three HHBs; this could be continues for the remainder of the Squirrels life if feasible or desired and NO further Supplemental Calcium would be needed!

    Again, BN, I know that this probably does not make things easier for you but hopefully, Salty will not become discouraged! BN, I would sure like to see you eventually happy with a nutrition plan for MySquirrel and if there is any way in which I can help you, I would be glad to do so!

    Regards,
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    My responses in bold in line below.

    Quote Originally Posted by SamtheSquirrel2018 View Post
    Hi BN. I know that you have been all over the place trying to find the handle for optimal nutrition program for MySquirrel!

    Just some comments prompted by what you have posted;
    THANK YOU STS2018!
    In regard to just general Calcium dosing, I do NOT ordinarily use Calcium Citrate for the reason you noted; it contain only 21% Elemental Calcium and Calcium Carbonate contains 40% Elemental Calcium. I know that there have been some potential advantages cited for using using calcium Citrate but some of those are in regard to human use and not animal use. For instance, it is commonly said that dosing of Calcium citrate does not require giving the dose with food and/or having an acidic state in the stomach but that is usually a potential issue only with how humans take there supplemental Calcium and by taking calcium tablets. Humans may take them between meals or during meals or after recent food consumption. Almost without exception; when we give our Squirrels Calcium, it with the Calcium already incorporated into some sort of food already so this issue may be of less concern with animals!
    I grind the CCitrate to an extremely fine soft white powder. That other gross gray calcium - Mysquirrel somehow can either feel or smell the CCarbonate. I stopped using that years ago. Possibly you are right, and I should give it another try by now.

    Also, it has been said the the citrate may be helpful in minimizing risk of some particular kidney stones but for the average relatively young Squirrel without any history of kidney stones, my personal opinion is that this is not a compelling reason to opt for the citrate preparation either!
    YOUNG SQUIRREL ? Mine is nearing 13 now!

    There is also some suggestion that absorption of the Calcium citrate may be more efficient than absorption of Calcium Carbonate but even if that is true, the extra commonly cited range of better absorption by around 20% does not offset the 100% ADDITIONAL Elemental Calcium contained in the same weight of Calcium carbonate!

    Also, I have tried to point out that many Squirrels find HHBs are relatively acceptable (tasty maybe!) and are a highly concentrated nutritional formulation! This can be ideal for Squirrels with MBD as appetite is often decreased and the bones themselves are often painful and the relatively soft consistency of the HHBs are an added plus in facilitating their consumption as it may not hurt (as much) to eat them!
    Some good points! I do stock HHBs and have the bills and loss of freezer space to show for this. It is rare that any of my friends will completely eat an HHB. They often will revisit the left overs, but that could be a day later and by then it is usually cleaned up. I go through periods of feeding them daily to making my own blocks focused more on Calcium/Magnesium

    As far as providing for the "average" Squirrel's Daily Maintenance Elemental Calcium requirements; if only two HHBs are consumed each day, this will (according to Henry's) supply 275mg of elemental Calcium and this is actually a bit more than the 250mg I consider to be the goal for daily Maintenance Calcium! IF a Squirrel with MBD should be inclined to eat another (Three HHBs daily should be considered the maximum); this Squirrel will be getting an additional around 125mg of Supplemental (Treatment) Elemental Calcium which is half the recommended initial Treatment Calcium of 250mg (the total Elemental Calcium at initiation of treatment is 500mg which includes 250mg of Maintenance Calcium which should be continued forever and an additional 250mg of supplemental or Treatment Elemental Calcium to begin replenishment the lost stores of calcium in the Squirrel's bones).

    So, if the Squirrel is eating two HHBs daily, the Maintenance Calcium is provided entirely by these two blocks and it would be necessary for the Squirrel to be provided an additional 625mg of Calcium Carbonate divided into 4-5 servings (and mixed with something that can be healthy such as a paste made made with Teklad or Mazuri Blocks or other satisfactory substance
    YES! EXACTLY that has been the stumbling block (no pun intended)
    This is where there may need to be a "trade-off" for some phosphorus containing substance but the Calcium phosphorus ratio can easily kept at or above the ideal of 2:1! If the Squirrel was consuming three HHBs daily, this would provide around 125mg of the Supplemental Calcium required at initiation of MBD treatment so only and additional 300-320 mg of Calcium Carbonate would be required to provide the remaining 125mg of Supplemental Calcium and again, this should be divided into 4-5 servings throughout the day.
    MySquirrel at her age, knows everything there is to know about me. She can read my mind and knows every sound and footstep! She has about four hours of activity a day and sleeps straight between those waking phases. If I pick her up while she is sleeping, she will immediately try to climb into my always worn vest, or into my hoodie pouch. After twenty minutes she will reluctantly open her yes, humor me and venture out. After finding a pee pad, and a window to check out, she will want to do one of two things... Either she will want to be taken back to her sleeping station, or to her water cup. She will refuse to eat anything until she drinks - and will pretty much refuse to drink from any other water source except her own cup.. which she identifies it seems by smell as well as location. I can replace the cup in the same spot and she will just take a sniff: I can bring down her cup, along with her and offer a smorgasbord of foods - if they are not a form of nuts she will reject all! She will just insist on going back upstairs to her known drinking cup, and thence BACK TO BED! IF I have the time to spend with her, and can keep her under wraps for an hour, usually I can get her to do some nibbling. About two grams worth.


    As Treatment for MBD progresses, the amount of Supplemental (Treatment) Calcium decreases and toward the end of the treatment program, assuming that the Squirrel is consuming three HHBs; this could be continues for the remainder of the Squirrels life if feasible or desired and NO further Supplemental Calcium would be needed!

    Again, BN, I know that this probably does not make things easier for you but hopefully, Salty will not become discouraged! BN, I would sure like to see you eventually happy with a nutrition plan for MySquirrel and if there is any way in which I can help you, I would be glad to do so!
    Salty, certainly keep working with your buddy! He has a long long time ahead of him and with your love and attention to detail... he will totally thrive. I chimed in, because I want to encourage you to keep it up. I would point out that the more you try to feed him... the more you interact with him, the more he actually will consume. I find that using a syringe, of well mixed calcium/magnesium and a concentrated food flavoring, freshly mixed in a magnetically stirred cup, and then, after GENTLY and SLOWLY feeding that to her, immediately following with an almond fragment (third or half) has the best results. Now I will try the Calcium Carbonate (grr!) again.

    Regards,
    SamtheSquirrel

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigNibbler View Post
    My responses in bold in line below.
    Hi BN, probably we should start another thread for you and MySquirrel so we don't dilute Salty's Thread for Kuzias issues but I did want to mention as MySquirrel is approaching 13 (!!!!!); just for inclusion purposes, there is some suggestion that citrate in itself, may be able to mitigate the inevitable decline in kidney function associated with aging but the scant evidence we have was NOT accumulated from comparison of use of Calcium Citrate vs Calcium carbonate for Calcium maintenance or supplementation! That this would be a factor to affect choosing Calcium citrate over Calcium carbonate is IMHO, unproven at this point and the issue of getting adequate Elemental Calcium to prevent MBD would be the primary concern! Again, my opinions!
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    Hi Salty.
    How is Kuzia doing?
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    Hello! Kuzia is doing fine, i think. Today, he tried to chew on some wooden furniture, so i think this is good.

    I noticed, what might be some redness on the left eye's (the good eye) eyelid, but this is not for sure, i will examine it closer this evening, as he is asleep now.

    He started producing white droppings with white color in it, don't know what it means. I gave him walnut blocks today and yesterday, 2 in total, maybe that is what causing it. Before he was getting picky blocks.

    The Teklad came, on first try he did not show interest, i will leave some out, i think he will try it.

    I was not successful at talking to the doctor, the receptionist took the message to him, and returned the call, saying that doctor stopped accepting new exotic pets for now.

    (Update - i think his eye is good, I have just checked, and made some pictures. Also, the fact that he is coming out at this time, and taking short naps, is also promising, at least with his MDB problem. I understand that it is not cured, and it takes 6 month to a year or more, but still..)

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    Quick note - white poop most often means that he has exceeded the amount of calcium he can absorb at one time. You can cut back a little on supplemental calcium until poop color returns to normal. Then keep the supplemental calcium at that level. Over time, adjust as needed. He's fine. Calcium, while critical, is harmless and excess just goes out the other end as light gray to white poop. Gotta go!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salty View Post
    Hello! Kuzia is doing fine, i think. Today, he tried to chew on some wooden furniture, so i think this is good.

    I noticed, what might be some redness on the left eye's (the good eye) eyelid, but this is not for sure, i will examine it closer this evening, as he is asleep now.

    He started producing white droppings with white color in it, don't know what it means. I gave him walnut blocks today and yesterday, 2 in total, maybe that is what causing it. Before he was getting picky blocks.

    The Teklad came, on first try he did not show interest, i will leave some out, i think he will try it.

    I was not successful at talking to the doctor, the receptionist took the message to him, and returned the call, saying that doctor stopped accepting new exotic pets for now.

    (Update - i think his eye is good, I have just checked, and made some pictures. Also, the fact that he is coming out at this time, and taking short naps, is also promising, at least with his MDB problem. I understand that it is not cured, and it takes 6 month to a year or more, but still..)
    Thanks Salty! Please see the note from TF below suggesting that the white stool is from calcium that was not absorbed. Please divide the calculated Supplemental Calcium (the extra treatment Calcium) into at least 4 and preferably 5 servings spread out over your awake day. Oftentimes, calcium passing in the stool is because the extra calcium is given in one or two servings rather than 4-5 and this results in a situation where there is too much calcium passing into the into the intestine to be completely absorbed so the calcium that doesn't get absorbed simply passes in the stool!
    I'm glad that Kuzia is improving!
    Please keep on with the updates!
    Regards,
    SamtheSquirrel

  22. Serious fuzzy thank you's to SamtheSquirrel2018 from:

    Salty (02-20-2025)

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