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    Default My experience with Metabolic bone disease in a red squirrel

    I just wanted to share my experience with trying to raise a baby red squirrel to share all the problems I encountered and solutions I tried, for the benefit of others.

    I had a baby squirrel following me in the woods one day and so I picked it up, not knowing if it would bite me or what it would do, but I found out they are extremely lovable little animals.

    I wanted to feed it whatever it wanted, and bought it lots of expensive nuts, almonds, pecans, peanuts. I had no idea that pecans are like crack to little squirrels, I witnessed her downward spiral as she refused more and more types of foods til she would only eat pecans. I put chocolate syrup in her milk formula and would always give her that before I gave her pecans, though, so she was very healthy up til about 10 weeks. I figured her bones were developed well enough, and she just stopped drinking the milk, I thought it was ok after they were past the weaning stage, but in about 5 days, after she completely stopped drinking the milk, she just started sleeping all day. Luckily I looked it up on the internet and found out that was a symptom of metabolic bone disease. Also, a little bit of hair came out of her tail, her tail began to thin, which also is a symptom of metabolic bone disease.

    I read that calcium citrate is absorbed the fastest, but is more expensive so is not usually used in commercial supplements, but I crushed up a citrical pill, and mixed it with peanut butter and she gobbled a whole bunch of it and I knew she had gotten a massive dose of highly absorbable calcium. She went back to sleep for 4 hours and when she woke up she was like a new squirrel, running around for hours, leaping onto me, leaping onto everything, exploring everything like it was all new again.

    Luckily I recognized these symptoms within a few days of the disease beginning, and little harm was done, and was easily reversed.

    I just wanted to add my experience in case it might help someone, I really understand why people love their squirrels, I understand how it would hurt to see them suffer so much from such a nasty disease.

    I would also add, I downloaded a neat little program for my webcam, with motion detection software that I used to track her behavior, which really helped monitor her, while I was gone. It was free and it was just a cheap little webcam but it actually worked fairly well, although the file sizes are massive and it takes a little tweaking and experimenting to get it just right.

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    Thank you for sharing that.

    Just would like to observe, that if that was MBD (and if she was not eating blocks and good veggies daily, and her activity level improved right after the calcium dose, it was), then, she could not be out of the woods after one dose of calcium.

    The problem with MBD is that it starts from inside (first, affecting internal organs and bones) and only after the internal damage was done, does it manifest itself in external symptoms. Therefore, disappearance of external symptoms (e.g., lethargy etc) does not mean that she recovered. The fact that she felt so much better after that calcium dose you gave her only proves that she does have MBD.

    MBD recovery is a long process.
    It's great to catch it early, but it still takes quite some time for the squirrel to be MBD-free. Because again - the damage to her bones is inside and takes time to be reversed. Also, how long it will take her to recover fully may depend on how strong her bones were to begin with, which depends on what formula she was fed as a baby and for how long she ate it: the better the formula and the longer she ate it, the stronger the bones.
    Please feel free to check out Squirrel NUtrition forum for the info on MBD.
    Recovery results from an intensive Emergency care followed by a strict diet, consisting of good quality rodent blocks, good green veggies, wild foods, a little piece of fruit as a treat only (and for some time - no nuts at all, or only occasional nut a as a treat).

    So, to ensure that your squirrel is strong and healthy, she needs to be on MBD treatment protocol and monitored closely - again, in Squirrel Nutrition forum. This MBD treatment is a result of years of rehab experience and collective wisdom of TSB, many squirrels were saved by it.

    Please feel free to ask more questions!
    Do you have any photos?...

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    Default Re: My experience with Metabolic bone disease in a red squirrel

    calcium citrate was given to MBD squirrels with no detrimental effects.
    MBD affects their bones first and foremost, hence is it metabolic BONE disease.

    All other organs get affected as a result of the cal. deficiency for which the organism is trying to compensate (e.g., blood draws cal from bones, as a result blood tests may show ok cal levels even when MBD present).
    4skwrlz once posted a good diagram of what happens in MBD process. If I find it, I will re-post it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by astra
    calcium citrate was given to MBD squirrels with no detrimental effects.
    MBD affects their bones first and foremost, hence is it metabolic BONE disease.

    All other organs get affected as a result of the cal. deficiency for which the organism is trying to compensate (e.g., blood draws cal from bones, as a result blood tests may show ok cal levels even when MBD present).
    4skwrlz once posted a good diagram of what happens in MBD process. If I find it, I will re-post it.

    Astra did you ever find that link? I would love to read it; all these posts dealing with MPD scare the heck out of me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4skwerlz
    Is the the chart you mean? It shows how the body maintains blood calcium levels.

    Note how when blood calcium levels fall (e.g., due to a lack of calcium in the diet), the body releases hormones that stimulate osteoclasts, which resorb or dissolve bone, causing calcium to be released back into the bloodstream, raising blood calcium levels, but of course causing bone loss. This is the basic mechanism of MBD.
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    yes, thanks, this is the one.
    Since body tries to maintain blood cal. levels, blood tests are not always accurate indicators of MBD

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    I am leaving this thread up, even though its author was banned, because it has helpful information in it from all the other members who responded. I would not want a new member to come here and gather from SquirrelPower's rant that calcium citrate is poisonous . I have edited his posts in that regard.
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    Default Re: My experience with Metabolic bone disease in a red squirrel

    this members banned now i brought it to irs attention that he was also indiana so i dont think he needs the chart any more

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    Quote Originally Posted by island rehabber
    I am leaving this thread up, even though its author was banned, because it has helpful information in it from all the other members who responded. I would not want a new member to come here and gather from SquirrelPower's rant that calcium citrate is poisonous . I have edited his posts in that regard.
    ooops! beat me to it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mavrycs Mommy
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    Quote Originally Posted by island rehabber
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4skwerlz
    Is the the chart you mean? It shows how the body maintains blood calcium levels.

    Note how when blood calcium levels fall (e.g., due to a lack of calcium in the diet), the body releases hormones that stimulate osteoclasts, which resorb or dissolve bone, causing calcium to be released back into the bloodstream, raising blood calcium levels, but of course causing bone loss. This is the basic mechanism of MBD.
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    Geez I read this 9 days before Butchie got so sick; little did I know (though I was afraid this was a possibility)..... So glad to see this chart. Think I will print this chart, the healthy diet, and the mbd thread, and send to my friend who has a foxer boy too. ANYTHING to prevent any other squirrel from going through what Butchie has been through!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sdreamcatcher
    Astra did you ever find that link? I would love to read it; all these posts dealing with MPD scare the heck out of me.
    Don't worry sdc, you and Butchie and Joey are on the road to recovery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by island rehabber View Post
    I am leaving this thread up, even though its author was banned, because it has helpful information in it from all the other members who responded. I would not want a new member to come here and gather from SquirrelPower's rant that calcium citrate is poisonous . I have edited his posts in that regard.
    IR is calcium citrate a good supplement and in what form?

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