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    I have a squirrel who I’ve bottle raised since she was about a month old. I acquired her from someone else thT had been trying to bottle feed her for 2 or 3 weeks before me, and essentially, she was starving and not thriving, so she was given to me. When she was a couple months old she had her first seizure. I did as much research as I could, and thought it was MBD. I immediately went to the store and got plain calcium pills and crushed 500 mg and have it to her, then dosed down to 200ish mg that I gave her daily until my stuff that I ordered came in. I immediately put her on Henry’s squirrel blocks, which she has been on ever since, and I have a calcium and probiotic supplement that she gets in her food daily, and she gets at least 30 mins outside everyday, as well as she had a UVB light in her indoor cage that stays on during the day. She stopped having seizures for a while, and then a couple months later they started back up again. Nothing in her diet changed ( squirrel blocks, occasional sunflower seeds, peanuts, pecans, vegetables, and fruits, and bark) and I’ve been working with the vet I work at, but nobody around here knows much about squirrels medically. She has been on a does of .1 of seizure medicine 3x a day that we typically use for dogs and cats, but it’s pretty universal for species it can be used for. When she got bigger, the dose went up to .2 3x a day (she’s about 9 months old now). She still had seizures every couple of weeks, but now she’ll have several over and over throughout the day she has them, and then she’ll be fine for a week or two. She is still on her seizure medicine, squirrel blocks, and appropriate calcium supplement, and gets sunlight and a UVV bulb. Is there anything else I can do for her? Or any idea why she is still having seizures?

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    I've had two seizure squirrels my Little Girl lived for 7 years. My current seizure girl is around 11 . When I adopted her she was on phenobarbital 2X a day. Fast forward I now have her on CBD drops for dogs I get from YOUR CBD STORE they are located all over the USA. I use the dog peanut butter flavor CBD it's human grade. I put a couple drops on her HHB daily and I cut way back on the phenobarbital in fact I truly believe I could stop the pheno and just use the CBD however because of her age why push it. My girl has not even had a break though seizure since I can't remember ( knock on wood, I hate to jinx it 🙄 )

    Now what seizure med are you giving? And side note stop the peanuts they are not good for squirrels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by csherrill04 View Post
    I have a squirrel who I’ve bottle raised since she was about a month old. I acquired her from someone else thT had been trying to bottle feed her for 2 or 3 weeks before me, and essentially, she was starving and not thriving, so she was given to me. When she was a couple months old she had her first seizure. I did as much research as I could, and thought it was MBD. I immediately went to the store and got plain calcium pills and crushed 500 mg and have it to her, then dosed down to 200ish mg that I gave her daily until my stuff that I ordered came in. I immediately put her on Henry’s squirrel blocks, which she has been on ever since, and I have a calcium and probiotic supplement that she gets in her food daily, and she gets at least 30 mins outside everyday, as well as she had a UVB light in her indoor cage that stays on during the day. She stopped having seizures for a while, and then a couple months later they started back up again. Nothing in her diet changed ( squirrel blocks, occasional sunflower seeds, peanuts, pecans, vegetables, and fruits, and bark) and I’ve been working with the vet I work at, but nobody around here knows much about squirrels medically. She has been on a does of .1 of seizure medicine 3x a day that we typically use for dogs and cats, but it’s pretty universal for species it can be used for. When she got bigger, the dose went up to .2 3x a day (she’s about 9 months old now). She still had seizures every couple of weeks, but now she’ll have several over and over throughout the day she has them, and then she’ll be fine for a week or two. She is still on her seizure medicine, squirrel blocks, and appropriate calcium supplement, and gets sunlight and a UVV bulb. Is there anything else I can do for her? Or any idea why she is still having seizures?
    Hi Csherrill: Thank you for finding The Squirrel Board! What is your Squirrel's name? There are numerous reasons why a Squirrel (or any mammal or human for that matter) might develop seizures. Head injury, congenital (existing at birth) brain problems from hereditary causes or injury associated with birth, toxins, brain infections and of course MBD, to suggest some examples. Do you have any specifics regarding your Squirrels history that may help such as some sort of trauma or exposure to a toxin just as an examples.

    Your initial assumption that this could have been MBD is certainly likely to be a fair bet to initially consider and of course, supplementation of Calcium while giving adequate Calcium for maintenance purposes is essential. As far as your Squirrel's diet, how many Henry's Blocks is she consuming each day? What is the particular Calcium supplement you are giving currently (such as Calcium carbonate) and is it plain Calcium or does it contain Vitamin D and if so, how much. Usually if seizures are from MBD, they resolve readily when proper treatment is begun. One of my concerns is for the possibility (I am certainly NOT stating that this the case, only a possibility to be considered) that even with the Henry's Blocks and further supplementation of calcium, that the MBD continues although there may be times when treatment is quite adequate, but there may also be times when this may not be quite so true. Another concern with NBD is that it takes months and often a year or even longer to consider the Squirrel cured or maximally recovered. MBD does not just occur from inadequate Calcium but also from excessive phosphorus even with an ideal calcium supplementation and maintenance protocol. In other words, if the Calcium to phosphorus ratio is not ideal (IMO preferably 2 to 1 but never less than 1.75 to 1) MBD can develop and once developed there can be improvements but the diet must be rigorously controlled! MBD symptoms can improve somewhat literally overnight but MBD itself, again, will take months to fully resolve and during that time (and in the future as well), any relaxation of diet can spell disaster. Please know, Csherrill, that I am not stating that I am convinced that MBD is still a factor or a cause for the seizure (and I strongly suspect not!) but it is still something to be concerned about. Even if the current seizures are not from MBD, it may very well be that your Squirrel did in fact have MBD when you got her and if so, diet is still very much an issue. Please list detailed specifics of her diet and the supplements! What was your Squirrel fed for formula and when did she wean?

    As far as the medication you are using for treating your Squirrel's seizures; please specify the actual medication. Phenobarbital is a commonly prescribed medication for treating seizures in Squirrels but please post whatever you are using and the frequency and dose (please clarify your ".1" and ".2" in light of the actual medication being used and its strength). It is essential to be able to know the details of the treatment being utilized for the seizures (the drug, its strength, the dose and the dosing frequency) before any further anticonvulsant therapy should be considered.

    Thank your you care and love for you Little Squirrel!

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    Thankyou so much for your response!! She has been on Levetiracetam. She was getting .1cc (mL) 3x a day, and she now gets .2cc (mL) 3x a day. And Thankyou for the tip about peanuts!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamtheSquirrel2018 View Post
    Hi Csherrill: Thank you for finding The Squirrel Board! What is your Squirrel's name? There are numerous reasons why a Squirrel (or any mammal or human for that matter) might develop seizures. Head injury, congenital (existing at birth) brain problems from hereditary causes or injury associated with birth, toxins, brain infections and of course MBD, to suggest some examples. Do you have any specifics regarding your Squirrels history that may help such as some sort of trauma or exposure to a toxin just as an examples.

    Your initial assumption that this could have been MBD is certainly likely to be a fair bet to initially consider and of course, supplementation of Calcium while giving adequate Calcium for maintenance purposes is essential. As far as your Squirrel's diet, how many Henry's Blocks is she consuming each day? What is the particular Calcium supplement you are giving currently (such as Calcium carbonate) and is it plain Calcium or does it contain Vitamin D and if so, how much. Usually if seizures are from MBD, they resolve readily when proper treatment is begun. One of my concerns is for the possibility (I am certainly NOT stating that this the case, only a possibility to be considered) that even with the Henry's Blocks and further supplementation of calcium, that the MBD continues although there may be times when treatment is quite adequate, but there may also be times when this may not be quite so true. Another concern with NBD is that it takes months and often a year or even longer to consider the Squirrel cured or maximally recovered. MBD does not just occur from inadequate Calcium but also from excessive phosphorus even with an ideal calcium supplementation and maintenance protocol. In other words, if the Calcium to phosphorus ratio is not ideal (IMO preferably 2 to 1 but never less than 1.75 to 1) MBD can develop and once developed there can be improvements but the diet must be rigorously controlled! MBD symptoms can improve somewhat literally overnight but MBD itself, again, will take months to fully resolve and during that time (and in the future as well), any relaxation of diet can spell disaster. Please know, Csherrill, that I am not stating that I am convinced that MBD is still a factor or a cause for the seizure (and I strongly suspect not!) but it is still something to be concerned about. Even if the current seizures are not from MBD, it may very well be that your Squirrel did in fact have MBD when you got her and if so, diet is still very much an issue. Please list detailed specifics of her diet and the supplements! What was your Squirrel fed for formula and when did she wean?

    As far as the medication you are using for treating your Squirrel's seizures; please specify the actual medication. Phenobarbital is a commonly prescribed medication for treating seizures in Squirrels but please post whatever you are using and the frequency and dose (please clarify your ".1" and ".2" in light of the actual medication being used and its strength). It is essential to be able to know the details of the treatment being utilized for the seizures (the drug, its strength, the dose and the dosing frequency) before any further anticonvulsant therapy should be considered.

    Thank your you care and love for you Little Squirrel!

    Regards,
    SamtheSquirrel
    My squirrel’s name is Simon (I thought she was a boy at first lol). All I know about her past before I got her (still a baby) was that she was found being attacked by a raccoon, and the girl took her from the raccoon. She did not have any punctures or serious injury from the attack thankfully. The girl was feeding her puppy formula, which I continued after I took her. But she was only feeding her a few times a day, and Simon was starving and just not doing good in general when I got her. She was almost limp. She quickly perked up in a couple of days after correct dosed feedings and warmth and light. She eats 2-3 squirrel blocks a day. She has been on Levetiracetam for the seizures. She started out getting .1cc (mL) when she was younger and now gets .2cc (mL) 3 x a day.
    What is the typical dose (per weight) of phenobarbital for squirrels? Also, Thankyou so much for your reply!

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    Along with no peanuts, please stop giving sunflower seeds….they're also not good for them.

    One of our admin rehabbers had a seizure prone squirrel and accidentally discovered that an almond or two a day is very beneficial in keeping seizures at bay. It contains some type of anti-seizure ingredient. I’m not saying to stop the meds, but you might want to add an almond or two to her diet.

    I’m not sure where you’re located in Tennessee, but Dr. Knarr at East Ridge Veterinary, 3702 Ringgold, 423-622-2209 sees squirrels and might be of some help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by csherrill04 View Post
    My squirrel’s name is Simon (I thought she was a boy at first lol). All I know about her past before I got her (still a baby) was that she was found being attacked by a raccoon, and the girl took her from the raccoon. She did not have any punctures or serious injury from the attack thankfully. The girl was feeding her puppy formula, which I continued after I took her. But she was only feeding her a few times a day, and Simon was starving and just not doing good in general when I got her. She was almost limp. She quickly perked up in a couple of days after correct dosed feedings and warmth and light. She eats 2-3 squirrel blocks a day. She has been on Levetiracetam for the seizures. She started out getting .1cc (mL) when she was younger and now gets .2cc (mL) 3 x a day.
    What is the typical dose (per weight) of phenobarbital for squirrels? Also, Thankyou so much for your reply!
    Thanks for your response Csherrill! Please say hello to Simon for me! In regard to the Levetiracetam (Keppra is a brand and I'll use that because it's easier to type and I need every break I can find to aid my typing!) and possible other antiepileptic drug therapy; what is Simon's current weight on a digital scale, preferably in grams? There have been some here on TSB who have had Squirrels on Keppra but the optimal dosing, even for rats is not that clear. With phenobarbital, there is considerably more of an experiential database but the dosing for this drug is also based more upon the accumulated experiences of using this medication for seizure prone Squirrels than any formal studies even in rats! My usual sources of Medication Guidance beyond TSB itself and my own experience are the Exotic Animal Formulary (EAF) 5th Ed, Wild Mammal Babies 4th Ed, and the Rat Guide but there is little in these (even in the EAF!) to use as definitive guidelines for anticonvulsant therapy on a chronic basis for Squirrels! That being said, I do have some "ballpark" dosing for both. It is impossible to say whether or not Simon's Keppra dosing is in "the ballpark" without knowing the formulation of the Keppra itself (tablets or liquid, the original strength and the specifics of any dilutions that was made). Also, there is no way to determine the true strength of any dilution made IF tablets or capsules were divided simply by "eyeballing" the pill or capsule. Ordinarily, tablets and capsules should be used whole to eliminate the unreliability of "eyeball" method of division. Even dividing in half unless the tablet is properly scored is a crapshoot!

    I still have concerns about Simon's diet and I would like to post some more about MBD and diet (I recently posted most of this in another thread but I wanted to post a variation of it is Simon's thread);

    What specifically was the MBD treatment protocol that you utilized initially and what are the details of Simon's current MBD treatment? Just for completeness sake; here is a link to Henry's MBD Info page ( https://henryspets.com/what-is-metabolic-bone-disease/ ) and here is a link to Henry's Treatment protocol for MBD which most every one of us who have treated a Squirrel for MBD have used with frequent optimal outcomes if not full recoveries
    ( https://henryspets.com/emergency-treatment-for-mbd/ ).

    I am placing these links here in recognition that MBD usually takes months to reach a final stable calcium state and following that, the Squirrel MUST continue to have adequate intake of elemental Calcium and minimal phosphorus to maintain a Calcium to phosphorus ratio of around 2 to 1 (Elemental Calcium to phosphorus).

    Treats such as nuts, seeds, and many fruits must forever (as long as the Squirrel is in captivity) be restricted to just occasional treats! Stashes must also be an item to check for on a daily basis!

    What are the specifics of your Squirrel's current diet? Ideally, your Squirrel should be getting at least 80% of her nutrition from quality Blocks such as Henry's Healthy Blocks, Teklad 2018 or Mazuri Rat and Mouse Diet to name three brands. Using Henry's food pyramid ( https://henryspets.com/healthy-diet-for-pet-squirrels/ ) additional healthy foods can be offered but these should be from the lower levels of the pyramid as they correspond to the healthier choices and generally those with a more ideal Calcium to Phosphorus ratio.

    Regards,
    SamtheSquirrel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mel1959 View Post
    Along with no peanuts, please stop giving sunflower seeds….they're also not good for them.

    One of our admin rehabbers had a seizure prone squirrel and accidentally discovered that an almond or two a day is very beneficial in keeping seizures at bay. It contains some type of anti-seizure ingredient. I’m not saying to stop the meds, but you might want to add an almond or two to her diet.

    I’m not sure where you’re located in Tennessee, but Dr. Knarr at East Ridge Veterinary, 3702 Ringgold, 423-622-2209 sees squirrels and might be of some help.


    Thankyou so much!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mel1959 View Post
    Along with no peanuts, please stop giving sunflower seeds….they're also not good for them.

    One of our admin rehabbers had a seizure prone squirrel and accidentally discovered that an almond or two a day is very beneficial in keeping seizures at bay. It contains some type of anti-seizure ingredient. I’m not saying to stop the meds, but you might want to add an almond or two to her diet.

    I’m not sure where you’re located in Tennessee, but Dr. Knarr at East Ridge Veterinary, 3702 Ringgold, 423-622-2209 sees squirrels and might be of some help.
    Magnesium. Low magnesium can cause seizures. Some creatures, humans included, don't metabolize magnesium the way they should, and despite the proper amount in the diet may still be low. Almonds are very high in magnesium. And squirrels love them. It isn't really a treatment, but if your squirrel is low on magnesium and that is the cause, adding some to the diet will help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamtheSquirrel2018 View Post
    Thanks for your response Csherrill! Please say hello to Simon for me! In regard to the Levetiracetam (Keppra is a brand and I'll use that because it's easier to type and I need every break I can find to aid my typing!) and possible other antiepileptic drug therapy; what is Simon's current weight on a digital scale, preferably in grams? There have been some here on TSB who have had Squirrels on Keppra but the optimal dosing, even for rats is not that clear. With phenobarbital, there is considerably more of an experiential database but the dosing for this drug is also based more upon the accumulated experiences of using this medication for seizure prone Squirrels than any formal studies even in rats! My usual sources of Medication Guidance beyond TSB itself and my own experience are the Exotic Animal Formulary (EAF) 5th Ed, Wild Mammal Babies 4th Ed, and the Rat Guide but there is little in these (even in the EAF!) to use as definitive guidelines for anticonvulsant therapy on a chronic basis for Squirrels! That being said, I do have some "ballpark" dosing for both. It is impossible to say whether or not Simon's Keppra dosing is in "the ballpark" without knowing the formulation of the Keppra itself (tablets or liquid, the original strength and the specifics of any dilutions that was made). Also, there is no way to determine the true strength of any dilution made IF tablets or capsules were divided simply by "eyeballing" the pill or capsule. Ordinarily, tablets and capsules should be used whole to eliminate the unreliability of "eyeball" method of division. Even dividing in half unless the tablet is properly scored is a crapshoot!

    I still have concerns about Simon's diet and I would like to post some more about MBD and diet (I recently posted most of this in another thread but I wanted to post a variation of it is Simon's thread);

    What specifically was the MBD treatment protocol that you utilized initially and what are the details of Simon's current MBD treatment? Just for completeness sake; here is a link to Henry's MBD Info page ( https://henryspets.com/what-is-metabolic-bone-disease/ ) and here is a link to Henry's Treatment protocol for MBD which most every one of us who have treated a Squirrel for MBD have used with frequent optimal outcomes if not full recoveries
    ( https://henryspets.com/emergency-treatment-for-mbd/ ).

    I am placing these links here in recognition that MBD usually takes months to reach a final stable calcium state and following that, the Squirrel MUST continue to have adequate intake of elemental Calcium and minimal phosphorus to maintain a Calcium to phosphorus ratio of around 2 to 1 (Elemental Calcium to phosphorus).

    Treats such as nuts, seeds, and many fruits must forever (as long as the Squirrel is in captivity) be restricted to just occasional treats! Stashes must also be an item to check for on a daily basis!

    What are the specifics of your Squirrel's current diet? Ideally, your Squirrel should be getting at least 80% of her nutrition from quality Blocks such as Henry's Healthy Blocks, Teklad 2018 or Mazuri Rat and Mouse Diet to name three brands. Using Henry's food pyramid ( https://henryspets.com/healthy-diet-for-pet-squirrels/ ) additional healthy foods can be offered but these should be from the lower levels of the pyramid as they correspond to the healthier choices and generally those with a more ideal Calcium to Phosphorus ratio.

    Regards,
    SamtheSquirrel

    Simon weighs 15 oz, which is about 425 grams. She is on a liquid Levetiracetam, which is a 100mg/ml. She gets .2cc (ml) every 8 hours. What would the dose about be for the other medication? As for for diet, she gets primarily squirrel blocks from Henry’s pet. She’s had the hazelnut blocks, the healthy blocks, and the picky blocks, I kind of change it up sometimes because she gets tired of them. I make sure she eats 3 a day. She’s really good at nibbling on them and hiding them in hopes of getting other snacks sooner lol, but I usually find her stashes. Outside of the blocks, I give her a deluxe squirrel complete diet from exotic nutrition that is primarily nutrient packed pellets with added calcium. She also sometimes gets some fruits as a snack, and she eats vegetables and bark as well. I was giving her sunflower seeds and peanuts, but I have learned those aren’t good so I’ve just discontinued them. For the mbd, I went to the drug store and got just some plain calcium pills, I have an initial dose of 500mg through a syringe, and then spaced the dosings out to about 100-150 mg, 4-5 times a day. Now, I have a squirrel specific calcium powder from Henry’s pet that I sprinkle on her food every day. Please let me know if I missed anything!

    Regards, Cassidy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by csherrill04 View Post
    Simon weighs 15 oz, which is about 425 grams. She is on a liquid Levetiracetam, which is a 100mg/ml. She gets .2cc (ml) every 8 hours. What would the dose about be for the other medication? As for for diet, she gets primarily squirrel blocks from Henry’s pet. She’s had the hazelnut blocks, the healthy blocks, and the picky blocks, I kind of change it up sometimes because she gets tired of them. I make sure she eats 3 a day. She’s really good at nibbling on them and hiding them in hopes of getting other snacks sooner lol, but I usually find her stashes. Outside of the blocks, I give her a deluxe squirrel complete diet from exotic nutrition that is primarily nutrient packed pellets with added calcium. She also sometimes gets some fruits as a snack, and she eats vegetables and bark as well. I was giving her sunflower seeds and peanuts, but I have learned those aren’t good so I’ve just discontinued them. For the mbd, I went to the drug store and got just some plain calcium pills, I have an initial dose of 500mg through a syringe, and then spaced the dosings out to about 100-150 mg, 4-5 times a day. Now, I have a squirrel specific calcium powder from Henry’s pet that I sprinkle on her food every day. Please let me know if I missed anything!

    Regards, Cassidy.
    Thanks Cassidy! It sounds as if Simon is getting very adequate nutrition with a particular focus of avoiding MBD! Very good!

    As far as the Levetiracetam, IMO, this probably is quite adequate as an anticonvulsant medication. There certainly is more of an experiential database using phenobarbital with Squirrels (and rats) than using Levetiracetam but Levetiracetam does seem to be relatively quite safe! We do not provide dosing on the Open Board for a number of very good reasons and those are sent to members by Private Message. I'll give you my usual disclaimer; I am not a Veterinarian and the opinions I may express are personal and not professional. I know that you asked about dosing for "the other medication" which I assume would be the Phenobarbital, but IMHO, there really seems to be no prevailing reason for changing to Phenobarbital. There may be "breakthrough" seizures with any anticonvulsant therapy and at times, dosing may need to be adjusted and/or additional medication may need to be introduced!

    I will send a PM to you regarding some dosing recommendations for the Levetiracetam that I will copy from some of my favorite Exotic Animal Formularies that you can give to your Vet for some additional information if he would be interested in reviewing this when I return home from work (whenever that may be!). Also, a significantly lower dose of Levetiracetam than is "standard" is placed on The Rat Guide. One of the things I like about The Rat Guide is that they also have printed dosing suggestions from reputable sources such as experienced Veterinarians or Specialist and they list this as being "based on use and recommendation of more than one veterinarian trained in the care of rats and other rodents." We have very little in the way of a definitive, study based database for Squirrel medication. That is also one of the reasons I like The Squirrel Board so much and that because we really have people here who have care for literally hundreds of Squirrels and are very experienced and their experiences help to forge a more Squirrel specific formulary so that medication recommendations and dosing instructions can be delivered to member via Private Messages from those on TSB who are experienced familiar with these!

    I also want to inform you of just how fortunate you are in that you have a Veterinarian who is Squirrel friendly and certainly generally experienced and you get the opportunity to regularly interact with him in behalf of Simon! This would be the Squirrel dream of over 99% of us many of us live in States that are unfriendly toward caring for wildlife unless licensed, States that will not make exceptions for unreleasable Squirrels or those involved in the care of Squirrels are simply unable to procure the services of a Squirrel Friendly Veterinarian; among other issues! You and Simon are extremely fortunate in those regards!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamtheSquirrel2018 View Post
    Thanks Cassidy! It sounds as if Simon is getting very adequate nutrition with a particular focus of avoiding MBD! Very good!

    As far as the Levetiracetam, IMO, this probably is quite adequate as an anticonvulsant medication. There certainly is more of an experiential database using phenobarbital with Squirrels (and rats) than using Levetiracetam but Levetiracetam does seem to be relatively quite safe! We do not provide dosing on the Open Board for a number of very good reasons and those are sent to members by Private Message. I'll give you my usual disclaimer; I am not a Veterinarian and the opinions I may express are personal and not professional. I know that you asked about dosing for "the other medication" which I assume would be the Phenobarbital, but IMHO, there really seems to be no prevailing reason for changing to Phenobarbital. There may be "breakthrough" seizures with any anticonvulsant therapy and at times, dosing may need to be adjusted and/or additional medication may need to be introduced!

    I will send a PM to you regarding some dosing recommendations for the Levetiracetam that I will copy from some of my favorite Exotic Animal Formularies that you can give to your Vet for some additional information if he would be interested in reviewing this when I return home from work (whenever that may be!). Also, a significantly lower dose of Levetiracetam than is "standard" is placed on The Rat Guide. One of the things I like about The Rat Guide is that they also have printed dosing suggestions from reputable sources such as experienced Veterinarians or Specialist and they list this as being "based on use and recommendation of more than one veterinarian trained in the care of rats and other rodents." We have very little in the way of a definitive, study based database for Squirrel medication. That is also one of the reasons I like The Squirrel Board so much and that because we really have people here who have care for literally hundreds of Squirrels and are very experienced and their experiences help to forge a more Squirrel specific formulary so that medication recommendations and dosing instructions can be delivered to member via Private Messages from those on TSB who are experienced familiar with these!

    I also want to inform you of just how fortunate you are in that you have a Veterinarian who is Squirrel friendly and certainly generally experienced and you get the opportunity to regularly interact with him in behalf of Simon! This would be the Squirrel dream of over 99% of us many of us live in States that are unfriendly toward caring for wildlife unless licensed, States that will not make exceptions for unreleasable Squirrels or those involved in the care of Squirrels are simply unable to procure the services of a Squirrel Friendly Veterinarian; among other issues! You and Simon are extremely fortunate in those regards!
    Regards,
    SamtheSquirrel

    Thankyou so much for your feedback! Looks like we’ll be sticking with Levetiracetam! I’ve also introduced more almonds in her diet recently, and so far so good!! We are definately so so fortunate with our vet!! It definately helps that I work with them and have a relationship with them already, and they all love Simon so much!! It has proven impossible finding anyone elsewhere that is willing to help with her because of where we are and her being a squirrel lol. But we are making do with what resources we have! She is also gaining weight better now and has been feeling really good! I hope we have found the right track to stick to to keep everything managable! It was definately scary when the seizures started getting worse, but now that we know what to do and how to help her recover from them comfortably, I think we’ve got it down!

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    Quote Originally Posted by csherrill04 View Post
    Thankyou so much for your feedback! Looks like we’ll be sticking with Levetiracetam! I’ve also introduced more almonds in her diet recently, and so far so good!! We are definately so so fortunate with our vet!! It definately helps that I work with them and have a relationship with them already, and they all love Simon so much!! It has proven impossible finding anyone elsewhere that is willing to help with her because of where we are and her being a squirrel lol. But we are making do with what resources we have! She is also gaining weight better now and has been feeling really good! I hope we have found the right track to stick to to keep everything managable! It was definately scary when the seizures started getting worse, but now that we know what to do and how to help her recover from them comfortably, I think we’ve got it down!
    Thanks for the update! I'm glad that Simon Squirrel is doing well! The best to you both! I also just realized that I didn't send the PM to you that I promised but it sounds as if it is not needed. Please let me know otherwise.
    Regards,
    SamtheSquirrel

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