Vetprofen?

[Summerc25]

When I got home from work today Pips leg was swollen. He’s a para and it may be a circulation issue but got him started on antibiotic and trying to find meloxicam. In the mean time, I did find 100mg vetprofen which is an NSAID too. Any idea if that could help with swelling? If so can anyone help with dosing? He weighs 312 grams.

[Summerc25]

Ignore this, got meloxicam and dosage from vet. I can’t figure out how to delete this post. ty!

[Spanky]

For what it is worth, Vetprofen is a a combo NSAID that includes ibuprofen, naproxen, and ketoprofen.

I have no idea what the dosing parameters are for this combination production, but I thought it might be good to update the thread in event anyone is searching for Vetprofen down the road...

[Summerc25]

For what it is worth, Vetprofen is a a combo NSAID that includes ibuprofen, naproxen, and ketoprofen.

I have no idea what the dosing parameters are for this combination production, but I thought it might be good to update the thread in event anyone is searching for Vetprofen down the road...

Spanks have you guys ever seen this with a para? The leg is so swollen. Wondering if it’s circulation.

[supersquirrelgirl]

Summer,

The left hind leg is quite swollen. Assuming no recent injury, I wonder if its quite stiff to squeeze or if its more like soft gel. Is the left ankle stiff to move ?? (careful since its already swollen....try just a little)

Does squirrel have no sensation in legs ??

One possibility that might help is a warm bath waist-deep to increase blood flow in lower extremities to try reducing swelling.

Do you see any reduction using the meds ??

SSG

[Diggie's Friend]

You could try giving Pycnogenol, a naturally occuring source extracted from the inner living cambium layer of the, "Maritime Pine' aka: Pinaster Pine. This layer is the same layer ones tree squirrels are known to chew through the outer dead layers of tree bark of their food trees to access as a food source. It contains calcium potassium and various trace minerals; it is also a high source of, 'polyphenols' i.e. it is a missing component from the wild diet for the diet of tree squirrels cared for in captivity.

Pycnogenol has been much studied over 50 years in over a 100 studies, and continues to be of great interested to medical community for the use of its naturally occurring health compounds and healing properties. It comes in various potencies, making it a good choice because it is easily lowered or raised at different dosage tiers. It is anti-bacterial, anti-viral, and analgesic (reduces pain), etc...

Unlike synthetic aspirin (not used to address pain in rodents) and other NSAIDS' as it doesn't promote damage to the GI tract with sustained prolonged use as this article explains in regard to (sustained release vs. pharmacokinetics).

From the Journal of Medicinal

"Review on Sustained Relief of Osteoarthritis Symptoms with a Proprietary Extract from Pine Bark, Pycnogenol"

Sustained release

Ideally, the persistent inflammation causing permanent pain should not be treated by using pain killers occasionally, but by a preparation providing a constant anti-inflammatory action. For this purpose, the pharmaceutical industry provides sustained release formulations of NSAIDs. Unfortunately, the permanent release of NSAIDs produces not only pain relief for a long period of time but also a permanent gastrointestinal irritation.

Pharmacokinetics

Pycnogenol mimics a sustained release formulation not by release of active components from a matrix, but by its natural combination of short- and long-acting anti-inflammatory substances.

Mixing PYC into a wet food twice daily is easy to do. It doesn't taste bad to squirrels, as it unsurprisingly tastes like what it is, wood. The following available sources recommended here are noted to have minimal additives. Unlike dosing pharma drugs, the high end for (PYC) goes up into the range of human dosage with no toxicity found in rats. Yet, it has been found to be effective for less serious conditions at lower mg. intakes in rats and mice as well.

For maintenance level Pycnogenol by, "Healthy Origins: (30 mg.) can be adjusted down as needed, for a next tier higher dose, "BestVite" brand, also available on Amazon.com as well as other retailers, offers a 50 mg. source that can likewise be lowered as is needful to a targeted amount.

[Spanky]

Spanks have you guys ever seen this with a para? The leg is so swollen. Wondering if it’s circulation.

His legs look to be atrophying, but I don't think that explains a sudden swelling like what has happened. I've not seen this happen with paras before... maybe others can offer insight.

Has the meloxicam helped at all.. is the swelling going down? Have you tried gabapentin as a treatment (just curious, it may be worth trying)?

[Summerc25]

It looked a little better this morning. It's hard, not squishy and he's eating fine. It's not cold and it doesn't smell. I just don't know what's causing it. I will check again when I get home but send prayers please. He's been through enough in his little life.

[Summerc25]

His legs look to be atrophying, but I don't think that explains a sudden swelling like what has happened. I've not seen this happen with paras before... maybe others can offer insight.

Has the meloxicam helped at all.. is the swelling going down? Have you tried gabapentin as a treatment (just curious, it may be worth trying)?

Have not tried gabapentin but I have some. Need dosing and not sure he could have that with the antibiotics and meloxicam.

[Summerc25]

You could try giving Pycnogenol, a naturally occuring source extracted from the inner living cambium layer of the, "Maritime Pine' aka: Pinaster Pine. This layer is the same layer ones tree squirrels are known to chew through the outer dead layers of tree bark of their food trees to access as a food source. It contains calcium potassium and various trace minerals; it is also a high source of, 'polyphenols' i.e. it is a missing component from the wild diet for the diet of tree squirrels cared for in captivity.

Pycnogenol has been much studied over 50 years in over a 100 studies, and continues to be of great interested to medical community for the use of its naturally occurring health compounds and healing properties. It comes in various potencies, making it a good choice because it is easily lowered or raised at different dosage tiers. It is anti-bacterial, anti-viral, and analgesic (reduces pain), etc...

Unlike synthetic aspirin (not used to address pain in rodents) and other NSAIDS' as it doesn't promote damage to the GI tract with sustained prolonged use as this article explains in regard to (sustained release vs. pharmacokinetics).



Mixing PYC into a wet food twice daily is easy to do. It doesn't taste bad to squirrels, as it unsurprisingly tastes like what it is, wood. The following available sources recommended here are noted to have minimal additives. Unlike dosing pharma drugs, the high end for (PYC) goes up into the range of human dosage with no toxicity found in rats. Yet, it has been found to be effective for less serious conditions at lower mg. intakes in rats and mice as well.

For maintenance level Pycnogenol by, "Healthy Origins: (30 mg.) can be adjusted down as needed, for a next tier higher dose, "BestVite" brand, also available on Amazon.com as well as other retailers, offers a 50 mg. source that can likewise be lowered as is needful to a targeted amount.

Definitely going to check into getting him some of this. That sounds like something that would be helpful to him. Tyssm!

[Summerc25]

Summer,

The left hind leg is quite swollen. Assuming no recent injury, I wonder if its quite stiff to squeeze or if its more like soft gel. Is the left ankle stiff to move ?? (careful since its already swollen....try just a little)

Does squirrel have no sensation in legs ??

One possibility that might help is a warm bath waist-deep to increase blood flow in lower extremities to try reducing swelling.

Do you see any reduction using the meds ??

SSG

He doesn't have any feeling in his legs as far as we could tell. The vet checked for pain response with tiny pinches and he didn't react. I give him warm tub baths almost daily but I will try keeping him in a little longer tonight. His pelvis seemed to be what was damaged and both of his little legs have always just stuck out like that. I wonder if he hurt his leg when I wasn't home. I've never seen him hurt it. It's hard, not squishy.

[supersquirrelgirl]

He doesn't have any feeling in his legs as far as we could tell. The vet checked for pain response with tiny pinches and he didn't react. I give him warm tub baths almost daily but I will try keeping him in a little longer tonight. His pelvis seemed to be what was damaged and both of his little legs have always just stuck out like that. I wonder if he hurt his leg when I wasn't home. I've never seen him hurt it. It's hard, not squishy.

Hi Summer, per your earlier post, he is taking meloxicam and you are doing warm baths already. Without feeling in his legs, he might have injured them without knowing. If meds and warm baths are not making a noticeable improvement, its best to get a Vet to check for injuries. I would hate to see leg become too damage and cause some serious complications. Good luck!

SSG

[supersquirrelgirl]

Hi Summer,

Wondering how you little man is doing ?? Has his reduced in swelling ??

SSG