White sore in mouth

[LaShae1995]

Sorry to be late to the party...the white plaques are normal.
On surgery day for Ellie we discovered, freaked, took samples...then Snags had a follow up and after anesthesia we checked her mouth...same exact plaques, same locations.
I looked at Blaze and Hopie...same plaques, same locations.
At that point we stopped looking...all of my squirrels had them.
No clue what they are, vet didn't know either.

This is 100% a God send I had been so worried 😟 I dont know how or why they came up but she never had surgery or anything. May I ask if your squirrels ever went away and did it only happen after a surgery? Or can it happen to a squirrel at anytime. If you ever find out more about them please pm me. Thx again I really appreciate this info.

[LaShae1995]

Hi LaShae:
Have you tried to see if what appears in the photos to be some sort of plug likely formed by the white exudate (discharge) in the genital region can be gently removed?
Regards,
SamtheSquirrel

Yes I checked and basically it's like dried up shut and if you use a warm wash cloth and gently rub it ... Gross but ... her private will open up and you can gently squeeze or squish what ever you wanna call it and it comes out. Then I put her bottom under the faucet and wash her whole area down there.

I was thinking could I put nystain just on her private area EXTERNALLY to see it helps kill it. Or maybe she should begin it again and with the pyc and Flora and b complex... just at a lost for this issue.

Me and diggie had been talking and I'm putting her on the Hendry blocks only and kale and greens but no oxbow feed to see of it'll help. As her calcium and pyhousrus ration may be off. (I'm too tired to try and spell that).

I running a plan by digging and once approved I'll post my plan here.

Also I'll keep yall updated ♡♡♡ Yall are angels squirrels (little tree rats) are lucky to have yall.

[Diggie's Friend]

Nyastin is an oral rinse.

[Milo's Mom]

This is 100% a God send I had been so worried 😟 I dont know how or why they came up but she never had surgery or anything. May I ask if your squirrels ever went away and did it only happen after a surgery? Or can it happen to a squirrel at anytime. If you ever find out more about them please pm me. Thx again I really appreciate this info.

No, all my squirrels have them, surgery or not, they all have them. I don't think it "happens" I think it's normal and regularly occurring.

No need for crazy diet changes if you're feeding a good healthy varied diet...for the discharge. That too is normal. Again I saw it, went screaming to the vet with the terror of a pyometra. It's uhm, female lubricant. After examining my females closely...most have it seasonally.

[SamtheSquirrel2018]

No, all my squirrels have them, surgery or not, they all have them. I don't think it "happens" I think it's normal and regularly occurring.

No need for crazy diet changes if you're feeding a good healthy varied diet...for the discharge. That too is normal. Again I saw it, went screaming to the vet with the terror of a pyometra. It's uhm, female lubricant. After examining my females closely...most have it seasonally.

Thank you so much, MM! You see "millions" of Squirrels close-up every year and your comments are invaluable! When you brought your particular Squirrel with the discharge to the Veterinarian, apparently the Vet was familiar with this phenomenon and was able to be reassuring to you as you are to us BUT; for "completeness sake" and for the ultimate of reassurances; did your Vet obtain a specimen of the discharge and examine it under a microscope, perform a Gram Stain and/or send it for a Culture?

The reason I am asking is that I had the same concern with Sandy Squirrel that you had with the "first" Squirrel that you observed with this discharge and that was for the possibility of a pyometra! As a pyometra is potentially very serious and the affected animal invariably appears quite ill with this and the appearance and behavior of Sandy Squirrel seems quite normal; a pyometra seems quite unlikely even though the appearance of the "discharge" seemed to me to be quite concerning and I would feel better with some sort of definitive testing!

Thanks again, MM!

Regards,
SamtheSquirrel

[LaShae1995]

No, all my squirrels have them, surgery or not, they all have them. I don't think it "happens" I think it's normal and regularly occurring.

No need for crazy diet changes if you're feeding a good healthy varied diet...for the discharge. That too is normal. Again I saw it, went screaming to the vet with the terror of a pyometra. It's uhm, female lubricant. After examining my females closely...most have it seasonally.

Her private area is kind of hard to the touch but after holding her under a faucet and removing the discharge it seems better. I was just worried because I thought it could have been an infection of some sort. Did your squirrel have the same color of discharge as this? Thank you


Ps. She just peed and I looked at her bottom and it felt normal looked normal and all . Here is a picture of her pee and bottom.

[LaShae1995]

Thank you so much, MM! You see "millions" of Squirrels close-up every year and your comments are invaluable! When you brought your particular Squirrel with the discharge to the Veterinarian, apparently the Vet was familiar with this phenomenon and was able to be reassuring to you as you are to us BUT; for "completeness sake" and for the ultimate of reassurances; did your Vet obtain a specimen of the discharge and examine it under a microscope, perform a Gram Stain and/or send it for a Culture?

The reason I am asking is that I had the same concern with Sandy Squirrel that you had with the "first" Squirrel that you observed with this discharge and that was for the possibility of a pyometra! As a pyometra is potentially very serious and the affected animal invariably appears quite ill with this and the appearance and behavior of Sandy Squirrel seems quite normal; a pyometra seems quite unlikely even though the appearance of the "discharge" seemed to me to be quite concerning and I would feel better with some sort of definitive testing!

Thanks again, MM!

Regards,
SamtheSquirrel

Pyometra is a serious and potentially life-threatening infection of the uterus that causes it to fill with bacteria and pus. Many dogs with a pyometra have vaginal discharge and may feel very sick with a poor appetite, lethargy, vomiting and sometimes increased thirst or urination.

I got this from online.. she does have discharge... she seems not to feel sick or loss of appetite at all....she's very energetic bouncing off the walls literally... no vomit though I'm not sure if they can...she drinks like usual.. and pees normally for her..

I wouldn't think this was it becuase she only had 1 of the symptoms.. but you would probably now more than me so with this knowledge what do you think?

[SamtheSquirrel2018]

Pyometra is a serious and potentially life-threatening infection of the uterus that causes it to fill with bacteria and pus. Many dogs with a pyometra have vaginal discharge and may feel very sick with a poor appetite, lethargy, vomiting and sometimes increased thirst or urination.

I got this from online.. she does have discharge... she seems not to feel sick or loss of appetite at all....she's very energetic bouncing off the walls literally... no vomit though I'm not sure if they can...she drinks like usual.. and pees normally for her..

I wouldn't think this was it becuase she only had 1 of the symptoms.. but you would probably now more than me so with this knowledge what do you think?

Yes, Pyometra is a dire diagnosis BUT as you mentioned and as I commented upon in your Thread; Sandy does not appear at all ill and is behaving a a normal Squirrel and this strongly bespeaks against Pyometra! I have not seen (noticed is probably a better choice of word) the signs of discharge present with Sandy on anything near a regular basis but my world of Rehabbing is on a small scale and on a micro-scale compared with Milo's Mom and others here on TSB. I would like to encourage others to comment on this finding of discharge as well. Also, I have the a microscope and the needed associated equipment and supplies to perform a basic microscopic evaluation of discharge or pus or whatever and this is definitely an advantage and it can be obviously be quite useful for "point-of-care evaluations. Although I would bet on what you are seeing and what we are seeing in your detailed photos, LaShae, is not a sign of anything serious and is likely to be just what Milo's Mom has suggested in her post; something normal! Coupled with the normal appearance of Sandy's genitalia after "cleaning," this seems even more likely BUT, I like to be certain if certainty is a possibility! That is why I mentioned the other tests. I realize also, that I am spoiled by my microscope as I use it relatively freely and frequently!
Regards,
SamtheSquirrel

[LaShae1995]

Yes, Pyometra is a dire diagnosis BUT as you mentioned and as I commented upon in your Thread; Sandy does not appear at all ill and is behaving a a normal Squirrel and this strongly bespeaks against Pyometra! I have not seen (noticed is probably a better choice of word) the signs of discharge present with Sandy on anything near a regular basis but my world of Rehabbing is on a small scale and on a micro-scale compared with Milo's Mom and others here on TSB. I would like to encourage others to comment on this finding of discharge as well. Also, I have the a microscope and the needed associated equipment and supplies to perform a basic microscopic evaluation of discharge or pus or whatever and this is definitely an advantage and it can be obviously be quite useful for "point-of-care evaluations. Although I would bet on what you are seeing and what we are seeing in your detailed photos, LaShae, is not a sign of anything serious and is likely to be just what Milo's Mom has suggested in her post; something normal! Coupled with the normal appearance of Sandy's genitalia after "cleaning," this seems even more likely BUT, I like to be certain if certainty is a possibility! That is why I mentioned the other tests. I realize also, that I am spoiled by my microscope as I use it relatively freely and frequently!
Regards,
SamtheSquirrel

Yeah I bet microscopes are useful if you can read it that is lol. I think the the best thing is to care for her as needed and wait it out see if it clears up or worsens.

I thank you again samthesquirrel for your help. Yall are truly angels.

[LaShae1995]

Milo's Mom, does the white patches go away on their own? I was thinking today and I had an interesting thought... what if they are some sort of white patch that forms to better help with eating shelled nuts? Like maybe a type of cushion or some sort.. and younger squirrels whom hasn't yet ate as many nuts and things that are rough on their mouth just hadn't developed them yet? Just a thought I had.

However if you find out its actually something that occurs becuase of something that is wrong could you please pm me. That is if you ever experienced it again.

[LaShae1995]

Update:

She seems to have no discharge now and I suppose she is full out of heat now. Thank you all so much! I will continue to keep an eye on the "mouth sores" to see if they go away or what happens... I'll update you all here on that matter, other than that she's perfect and of course precious! I never knew a squirrel (a oversized tree rat) could still my heart the way they did! They sure are something lol. God Bless and Happy Early Valentines Day

[LaShae1995]

Sp upon checking the outside "wild" squirrels I did see the same white patches.

I also noticed the female, Meek is seeming a little under the weather. She is a little dehydrated despite fresh water provided and may seem to be getting a small eye infection? Or something cause her fave looks a little swelled like not a lot but to me a little bit. I opened her mouth and looked inside and it was brown down her throat so she may have eaten a black walnut she had stored. I checked her teeth and everything as good as I possible can. They are verrryyyyy opinionated as they have been wild now since last year. I was curios to if I should offer treatment or anything? I am planing on giving her some prebiotic for a bit and some sweetened water so she'll drink in front of me so I can make sure she is drinking. I don't really want to lock her up because she freaks out badddd. She comes up everyday when called so I can just treat her as needed like that. Also her two brothers Crow and Mr squirrel needs access to the house for cold rainy nights and food and water as well.

Just curious on what yall might think to do about this. Thank you.

I can take a picture of her tomorrow if I get time she also still has winter fluff. I'll see what I can do about that.

[LaShae1995]

P.s. I may start a new thread special for meek if I do ill post link here.

[Mel1959]

Sp upon checking the outside "wild" squirrels I did see the same white patches.

I also noticed the female, Meek is seeming a little under the weather. She is a little dehydrated despite fresh water provided and may seem to be getting a small eye infection? Or something cause her fave looks a little swelled like not a lot but to me a little bit. I opened her mouth and looked inside and it was brown down her throat so she may have eaten a black walnut she had stored. I checked her teeth and everything as good as I possible can. They are verrryyyyy opinionated as they have been wild now since last year. I was curios to if I should offer treatment or anything? I am planing on giving her some prebiotic for a bit and some sweetened water so she'll drink in front of me so I can make sure she is drinking. I don't really want to lock her up because she freaks out badddd. She comes up everyday when called so I can just treat her as needed like that. Also her two brothers Crow and Mr squirrel needs access to the house for cold rainy nights and food and water as well.

Just curious on what yall might think to do about this. Thank you.

I can take a picture of her tomorrow if I get time she also still has winter fluff. I'll see what I can do about that.

Out of curiosity…..how do you know Meek is dehydrated? A squirrels survival instinct is pretty keen. They are also very resourceful. I have watched them drink water from leaves after a rain, drink from the road gutter or standing puddles and any number of other sources. I think it is best for you to limit your interactions and intervene as little as possible with these guys. I think if they really need you they will come for help, but in the meantime you should take a step back and let them be the wild creatures they were intended to be. Possible dehydration is not a reason to traumatize the squirrel by capturing and bringing it inside to force fluids on it. Your plan to provide some slightly sweetened water is fine and making sure there is enough clean water sources is a good idea. Aside from that, I think Meek will figure it out. Your intervention should be saved for a true crisis with these guys.

[SamtheSquirrel2018]

Out of curiosity…..how do you know Meek is dehydrated? A squirrels survival instinct is pretty keen. They are also very resourceful. I have watched them drink water from leaves after a rain, drink from the road gutter or standing puddles and any number of other sources. I think it is best for you to limit your interactions and intervene as little as possible with these guys. I think if they really need you they will come for help, but in the meantime you should take a step back and let them be the wild creatures they were intended to be. Possible dehydration is not a reason to traumatize the squirrel by capturing and bringing it inside to force fluids on it. Your plan to provide some slightly sweetened water is fine and making sure there is enough clean water sources is a good idea. Aside from that, I think Meek will figure it out. Your intervention should be saved for a true crisis with these guys.

I couldn't agree more, Mel! Hi LaShae, thank you for your concern about Meek and the other nearby Squirrels! You had some important concerns addressed in this thread about Sandy and thanks to Milo's Mom and others; I learned some things here as I believe others did as well and you too, for that matter! BUT, as it appears that Sandy is now doing well, your questions are answered and a big plus for Sandy's Thread; many of us reading and participating in this Thread also learned and benefited from it! I do believe that it is time to let this particular Thread "mature" as Sandy is doing very well and the issues were addressed with a good outcome!

Just a few comments on dehydration; even for closely observed animals such as pets or captive wilds, making a clinical diagnosis of dehydration is truly quite difficult. One reason is that unlike at a zoo or Veterinary hospital, no labwork can be performed at home at most rehabbers facilities. Dehydration is almost always a presumptive diagnosis (it is assumed based upon certain observations or historical details) and sometimes this is easier than at other times. If a baby who would ordinarily be getting ALL water and nutrition from mother's milk is brought to a rehabber, it can be (and should be!) assumed, without doing any particular testing and without delay; that the baby is dehydrated!

For adults, the suggestion of dehydration is made in other ways such as there being diarrhea, bleeding, inability or difficulty swallowing and many other signs or situations that would suggest dehydration or the likelihood of dehydration developing! But for a wild that just shows up here and there; there is NO effective way to "recognize" dehydration simply by looking at them! Also, as Mel has stated; a wild Squirrel (or any wild animal) usually has many varied options for maintaining normal hydration status and this is facilitated by amazingly complex and "hardwired" biological mechanisms that have been in existence for eons that ensure that adequate hydration is maintained! Obviously availability of water can be a factor and IF things around you are "dry," and finding readily available water sources may be made more difficult; providing sources of water for these wilds might be a very kind and considerate practice but ordinarily this is not needed.

Thank you again, LaShae for your love, care, and concern for these little Squirrels!

Regards,
SamtheSquirrel

[LaShae1995]

Yeah my plan was to just let her be wild but she also likes being held while she eats her nut or treat. They all three come running when called and are fairly sweet about having small check ups done. So I just wanted to make sure I didn't need to sneak any meds into some avocado for her.

Ok I'll let her be her and if something serious comes up I'll let yall know.

I just thought it was a little strange that now she had the same mouth "sores" like sandy had. Ok I'll let them all continue their wild adventures thank you all

[SammysMom]

You do want to limit contact or you risk her not having a healthy fear of humans. That can sure lead to trouble for her if she goes to the wrong human. Adding echinacea to the water sources you put out is a way to boost the immune systems of those who drink it.

[Diggie's Friend]

Here is some informative findings on Echinacea that are worth reviewing.

Rather impressive; I'm going to give it a try on reducing the pain and swelling in my knees.

Echinacea has been found to be, 'non cytotoxic' (non toxic to the cells). It acts as an immune system booster, by increasing the white blood cells to combat both viruses and bacterial infections. It has shown effectiveness against the inflammation of respiratory infections and also that of osteoarthritis in rats cells in rats. At the same time it reduces the red blood cell count.

Both similar and different results have been found in rodents and humans. Squirrels are actually tougher when it comes to consuming natural wild sources than in various domestic rat strains. Dosage and frequency of use are discussed in the second article below as pertains to its use and effectiveness in rats.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics...helial%20cells.

https://www.rmca.org/Articles/herbal.htm



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[LaShae1995]

Thank you guys! 😊