Amputee with infection

[Shellysfriend]

Thanks Shellysfriend!
The whole injured area appears fairly good to me! It may be that the photo is just not revealing some of the more concerning issues but as it appears in the photo, it does not look bad to me! Is there any likelihood of a Vet visit? It may be worthwhile to consider "formal" wound care. I have used what is called Moist Wound Healing for some fairly significant wounds and this method is used as a standard in wound care. Wounds should not be permitted to dry out and there are some very neat wound dressing materials that both protect the wound and keep it moist and the choice of which to use is based upon how wet or dry the wound tends to get (is there a lot of drainage of very little for instance) in order to keep the wound moist but not saturated or "dripping."

One of the things that concerns me beyond what seems like an infection is what I have mentioned and that is that currently, the remainder of the "forearm" is never going to be an asset for functioning and is also where the open wound a probably the infection itself resides and ideally, this should be surgically debrided (removed) and once the wound is clean and healthy tissue remains, a flap of healthy skin may be able to be brought down over the end of the upper part of the extremity that contains the single bone called the humerus after the remainder of remnants of the forearm portion of the extremity has been surgically removed and unhealthy tissue debrided! Again, hopefully, an experienced Vet can help and will be able to knowledgeably perform the necessary surgical procedures and assist with coordinating a wound care protocol hopefully utilizing Moist Wound Healing!

Thanks again for your care of and your love for this little injured Squirrel!

Regards,
SamtheSquirrel

Hi Sam the Squirrel, I agree that right now it looks really good. It’s just an update photo to show where it’s at now. I drained what I swear was a full ml out of puss from it the other night. One of my main concerns would be keeping it from introducing and bacteria from the outside since it has a path in. We’re keeping up with the iodine. There hasn’t been any drainage since the other night. I will look into the moist wound care products. What you’re describing for removing and bringing the skin over is kind of what I had in my head might need done. I was thinking that the bone may need shortening and smoothing a bit however removing the joint may be a good point as you and crittermom have suggested. I do not currently have a vet lined up. Not squirrel friendly here, but would love to find one. I’ve got a couple people I can ask that may possibly get me in the right direction.
Thanks again

[SamtheSquirrel2018]

Hi Sam the Squirrel, I agree that right now it looks really good. It’s just an update photo to show where it’s at now. I drained what I swear was a full ml out of puss from it the other night. One of my main concerns would be keeping it from introducing and bacteria from the outside since it has a path in. We’re keeping up with the iodine. There hasn’t been any drainage since the other night. I will look into the moist wound care products. What you’re describing for removing and bringing the skin over is kind of what I had in my head might need done. I was thinking that the bone may need shortening and smoothing a bit however removing the joint may be a good point as you and crittermom have suggested. I do not currently have a vet lined up. Not squirrel friendly here, but would love to find one. I’ve got a couple people I can ask that may possibly get me in the right direction.
Thanks again

Thanks Shellysfriend! Please keep us updated.
My hopes are for you to be able to expeditiously find an appropriate, Squirrel Friendly Vet and for Irrel to be happy, healthy as possible, and do well!

I can help with the wound care but this would of course be indirectly and at a distance and it would not be the same as someone experienced in wound care actually showing you how to do this. Again, using Moist Wound Care protocols is pretty much the standard nowadays! What used to be done and is actually still done by some who don't know or just won't change is what is called wet-to-dry wound care in which a wet dressing is applied over the wound and allowed to dry and then peeled off which removes what was felt to be dead or damaged cellular material and the changing of the dressing was felt to provide necessary debridement. Virtually nobody who understands wound healing and wound care agrees with this any longer. Please do not let anyone try to "sell you" the wet-to-dry methods!

Regards,
SamtheSquirrel

[Tashahaven]

StS the “moist wound care” you speak of for general wound care, doesn’t it typically utilize hydrocoilloid type dressings? Would this even be possible to use on this type of wound? Where it can/will most likely be pulled off by the squirrel or by activity? Plus it’s such a difficult location because it is at the end of the stub?

Otherwise, I’m quite curious how to treat this area with moist care? How do you propose to do so?

Im very intrigued! 🥰

[SamtheSquirrel2018]

StS the “moist wound care” you speak of for general wound care, doesn’t it typically utilize hydrocoilloid type dressings? Would this even be possible to use on this type of wound? Where it can/will most likely be pulled off by the squirrel or by activity? Plus it’s such a difficult location because it is at the end of the stub?

Otherwise, I’m quite curious how to treat this area with moist care? How do you propose to do so?

Im very intrigued! 🥰

Hi TH:
I probably should have sent a response by PM but I also wanted to mention once again, my continued hope that Irrel will be able to be evaluated by an appropriately trained and experienced Squirrel Veterinary surgeon!

So here is my take on this case as far as wound care goes and I freely admit that I don't have all of the answers! For one thing, this wound is not an "optimal" wound and there is little likelihood, IMHO, that this wound will even potentially resolve without surgical intervention unless some means can be found to encourage tissue regrowth including re-epithelialization and help provide protection from further injuries or conditions. These can be thought of as having the potential for both exogenous (from what is not a part of the Squirrel like results of impact from falling or bumping into something) and endogenous (from the Squirrel himself such as a bone fragment poking through the wound or reinfection) mechanisms. Also, satisfactory primary healing is made far more difficult with the jagged edges of the remaining radius and ulna being where they can literally poke through at the tip of the "stump!"

This approach (which I do not feel is ideal or optimal) would need to be accompanied by the strong hope that eventually, a point will be reached at which the wound is healed without secondary issues such as infection, pain, drainage or interference with functioning (other than that which would be associated with the loss of this one extremity). With this case, I have consistently been an advocate for evaluation by an appropriately trained and experience Veterinarian with the goal of a surgical revision being performed!

My thoughts on chronic wound care are based upon my own impression that if this wound is not surgically debrided (that is where the remainder of the ulna and radius along with the damaged tissues of the remaining potion of the "forearm" are removed and the stump revised to permit advancing healthy flaps of skin over the end of the arm to form a stable normal stump; there will be a need for chronic wound care.

If this wound can be adequately revised surgically; there would really be no need for even considering any form of chronic wound care, including, of course, MWH!

As far as use of any dressing on a Squirrel or any animal that has chewing, licking or biting tendencies; it is going to very difficult and I don't have a definitive means of wound protection that would not potentially impact the remaining quality of life for little Irrel and that is why the option of waiting and watching to see what happens (if surgical intervention cannot be facilitated) may be as good as it gets, at least at the start. E-Collars are difficult to utilize with Squirrels. Sometimes, what we would ordinarily term "messing" with the wound by the Squirrel is simply indulging in the only instinctual options available to a Squirrel in the wild. These options, for this injury would be to chew away the exposed bone and damaged skin and let "nature" close the wound. Possibly, an animal in the wild would even chew a significant portion of the remaining extremity away! I do not know!

To try answer your question about using Hydrocolloid dressing material as being a standard component of Moist Wound Healing; that is a resounding "maybe!" The actual type of Moisture Retentive Dressing (MRD) utilized in each particular wound and really in each particular stage of healing of a chronic wound depends upon the actual or anticipated dress of natural hydration 9of the wound. If a high degree of drainage is expected, there is no need to utilize a dressing material that highly binds moisture as there is plenty, if not an excess of moisture developed from the wound itself!

A Hydrocolloid MRD would be used where drainage would be mild to maybe a little more than that but it would not be appropriate for use at a site wound where either extensive drainage or a particularly low degree of drainage is anticipated. In those two conditions; Alginate or Hydrogel MRD's respectively, would be more appropriate.

Regards,
SamtheSquirrel

[Shellysfriend]

Irrel says hi everyone, this is his leg this morning. We’re still pursuing a vet. Everything is looking good so far at least. Thank you all for the questions, responses and interest.

[Sadachara]

Hypochlorous can make a wound seemingly almost miraculously heal in a matter of hours.

Have you tried that as well?

[Shellysfriend]

Hypochlorous can make a wound seemingly almost miraculously heal in a matter of hours.

Have you tried that as well?

It is on order.

[SamtheSquirrel2018]

Hypochlorous can make a wound seemingly almost miraculously heal in a matter of hours.

Have you tried that as well?

I am also in favor of utilizing this as long as the Hypochlorous Acid (often abbreviated as HOCL) is obtained from a reputable source, verified to be HOCL and diluted properly! HOCL is actually an endogenous (made by the body) substance made by various forms of at least mammalian White Blood Cells! It is a very effective disinfectant and sanitizer! That being said, there are generally agreed upon stages in definitive Wound Care Management and debridement is the major component of Stage 1. All I want to do is stress this point one more time "for the record" and I will be still about it for now on!

Shellysfriend, I know that you are looking for an appropriate Veterinarian and I hope that you are successful! In the meantime, Hypochlorous Acid, again, IF it is verified as being HOCL and IF it is properly diluted can be of significant benefit in keeping the wound clean and may very likely be of benefit in the healing process. It is not to be expected but in the event this wound is not debrided; mammalian body's remarkable natural healing abilities, along with HOCL in conjunction with an appropriate and optimal plan of Wound Care Management may result in an adequate growth of tissue to minimize repeated disturbances from the remnants of the two broken bones and there may even be some natural bone remodeling that would help make the ends of the bones blunt rather than sharp as they are at this time.

Please keep us updated on Irrel's status and ask any question that may come to mind at any time!

Regards,
SamtheSquirrel

[Mel1959]

I’m going to send you a private message with a possible vet’s name located in WI.

[SamtheSquirrel2018]

How is Irrel doing?
Regards,
SamtheSquirrel

[Shellysfriend]

How is Irrel doing?
Regards,
SamtheSquirrel

Irrel is doing very well. He is active, has a good appetite and is gaining weight every day! His leg is steadily improving. I have a vet that agreed to see him, however this is through a new to me contact and I have yet to speak with this vet personally. They were out of the office today so hopefully tomorrow I can have a conversation and possibly set an appointment. Also the hypochlorous acid solution that Sadachara recommended finally showed up today. Thank you for asking and thinking of Irrel!

[SamtheSquirrel2018]

Irrel is doing very well. He is active, has a good appetite and is gaining weight every day! His leg is steadily improving. I have a vet that agreed to see him, however this is through a new to me contact and I have yet to speak with this vet personally. They were out of the office today so hopefully tomorrow I can have a conversation and possibly set an appointment. Also the hypochlorous acid solution that Sadachara recommended finally showed up today. Thank you for asking and thinking of Irrel!

Hi Shellysfriend and thanks for the update! The possibility of a Vet visit for Irrel is wonderful news! The photo looks very good! I'm glad that Irrel is doing well! Please tell Irrel that I said hello! Also, please post further updates on Irrel! Thanks for you care of this Little One!
Regards,
SamtheSquirrel

[Tashahaven]

Hello Irrel! Your leg is looking much better!

Thanks for the update Shellysfriend! Please let us know how it goes with the vet.

Also make sure to talk to him First! Ask important questions: like their policy on pet squirrels, if they have experience treating squirrels or other small rodents, if they will release him back to you etc.

I realize it is considerably expensive to do the surgery, but it will give him the best quality of life long term. StepNStone’s Annie had an amputation of her back leg, to the hip bone, done by laser surgery, and her healing was incredible, and she has lived a VERY LONG, happy, energetic, playful and full life! (You can check out her thread https://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/...nie-(was)-gone. Scroll to the last 8 pages or so to read about and see the before and after surgery. A VERY inspirational and hopeful story)

The possibility of a successful operation to remove the existing bone to the joint may provide the best outcome for him. Decreasing the need for repeated wound care, infections, discomfort etc. and increasing the likelihood he will adapt and learn to get around comfortably and be active. Although I’m NOT a vet. Just my thoughts.

Keep up the cuteness Irrel! ❤️

[Shellysfriend]

Irrel says hi all! Unfortunately the first vet after getting pictures of the leg declined. Not sure if she will be able to offer any other contacts or not yet. I was able to get in touch with a vet tech that is willing to help but surgery on the bone she wouldn’t be able to do but again is going to try some of her contacts. One question I have is how long should he be on the SMZ-TMP antibiotic. I was hoping the vet was going to be able to answer that today but…. All in all Irrel is doing well, super active, eating, pooping and sleeping like a champ! This picture was just taken.

[Shellysfriend]

So my contact came through with another vet that is willing to see him, they asked about neutering at the same time he is under at some point. The leg is my utmost priority obviously, and until the vet sees him and we talk I don’t know where this is going yet. While it may or may not be the appropriate time to tackle that, what are the thoughts and experiences with neutering?

[SamtheSquirrel2018]

So my contact came through with another vet that is willing to see him, they asked about neutering at the same time he is under at some point. The leg is my utmost priority obviously, and until the vet sees him and we talk I don’t know where this is going yet. While it may or may not be the appropriate time to tackle that, what are the thoughts and experiences with neutering?

Hi Shellysfriend:
Again, it sure seems as if Irrel is doing very well! I will give you my usual disclaimer and that is that I am not a Vet! That being said, here are my comments and suggestions.
1) as with any Vet, please follow the suggestions given to you by TashaHaven in regard to the anticipated visit with the Veterinarian. I would strongly suggest that you determine whether or not this Vet is Squirrel-friendly, Squirrel-experienced and willing to let you be there with Irrel during the exam and that they will return Irrel to your care after each visit or procedure. One of the greatest concerns with visiting a Vet (or anyone else who may participate in the care of Irrel) is that they will NOT confiscate or euthanize your Squirrel! And yes, it does happen! This is not paranoid thinking! Squirrels, to state the obvious are wildlife and often things are different simply because of that and what might be a very conscientious dog or cat Vet may "treat" wildlife completely different. Many or really most States do NOT prevent Veterinarians to see wildlife (if they choose to do so) BUT in those States (most of them) that have laws restricting the keeping of wildlife by the general public, also restrict or limit the time a wild animal can be in the Vets possession before being turned over to a licensed wildlife rehabber. So....it is very important to determine BEFORE Irrel goes anywhere; that the facility or individual who may become involved in Irrel's care will NOT confiscate or euthanize Irrel. There have even been cases where an obviously Non-Releasable Squirrel such as Irrel would be let loose in the wild to just to be a meal for a predator and justified with the comment that "we just let 'Mother' Nature take care of things!"

2) the other issue with the Vet visit is to determine what experience the Vet has with Squirrels or at least related species such as pet rats. Do they have experience performing orthopedic procedures such as the the amputation of the remaining forearm portion of the front extremity (again, my opinion is for conservation of the arm portion which is above the elbow, but of course, get their opinion and their detailed rationales for any recommendations)!

3) does the Vet have more than cursory experience with using conventional inhaled anesthetic agents such as Isoflurane and monitoring the status of the Squirrel and of the anesthesia during surgery.

4) You asked about whether or not the SMZ-TMP should be discontinued. I'll give you my opinion on this but yes, it would be good to get this advice from the Vet after the visit but it now seems that a visit while maybe being just over the horizon right now; you do not have a definitive appointment date as of yet. It seems from one of your posts that you actually did an Incision & Drainage procedure on Irrel's "stump" and significant pus was expelled form the wound. You also got a PM from CritterMom for the dosing on the 20th. Again, my opinions only; IF Irrel has been on the antibiotics for those 8 days and for at least the past 3 or 4 days (or more) he has NOT had any signs of infection such as swelling, fluctuance (a tense but boggy skin mass or bump which is a sign of an abscess), redness of the skin or drainage; most likely you could stop the antibiotics. If you wanted to simply set a time-frame for discontinuing the antibiotics but to not so so immediately, 10 days of being on the antibiotics with being free of any signs of infection for what would be more than 5 days should be fine as well! IF Irrel has developed an infection in the bone itself which would be broken remnants of the radius and/or ulna, the SMZ/TMP will not treat this adequately anyway. Removal or relatively long-term antibiotics of a different sort is required!

5) As far as the inquiry about getting Irrel neutered; I am not certain why they mentioned this unless they thought perhaps that if Irrel was neutered, it might decrease his activity level. I am not certain that if this was their rationale, it would be any more than a crap shoot!

Also, Irrel is an NR and his destiny is not in the trees but in your home and with your loving care! He is currently very active and that is a good sign unto itself but it also demonstrates that within the restrictions of captivity (which he needs), he is quite functional and I personally don't see why a possible decrease in activity that might be "gained" from this second surgical procedure would be worth doing! Just find out why they suggested this and have some time to think about it and post this in Irrel's thread.

Regards,
SamtheSquirrel

[Shellysfriend]

Hi Shellysfriend:
Again, it sure seems as if Irrel is doing very well! I will give you my usual disclaimer and that is that I am not a Vet! That being said, here are my comments and suggestions.
1) as with any Vet, please follow the suggestions given to you by TashaHaven in regard to the anticipated visit with the Veterinarian. I would strongly suggest that you determine whether or not this Vet is Squirrel-friendly, Squirrel-experienced and willing to let you be there with Irrel during the exam and that they will return Irrel to your care after each visit or procedure. One of the greatest concerns with visiting a Vet (or anyone else who may participate in the care of Irrel) is that they will NOT confiscate or euthanize your Squirrel! And yes, it does happen! This is not paranoid thinking! Squirrels, to state the obvious are wildlife and often things are different simply because of that and what might be a very conscientious dog or cat Vet may "treat" wildlife completely different. Many or really most States do NOT prevent Veterinarians to see wildlife (if they choose to do so) BUT in those States (most of them) that have laws restricting the keeping of wildlife by the general public, also restrict or limit the time a wild animal can be in the Vets possession before being turned over to a licensed wildlife rehabber. So....it is very important to determine BEFORE Irrel goes anywhere; that the facility or individual who may become involved in Irrel's care will NOT confiscate or euthanize Irrel. There have even been cases where an obviously Non-Releasable Squirrel such as Irrel would be let loose in the wild to just to be a meal for a predator and justified with the comment that "we just let 'Mother' Nature take care of things!"

2) the other issue with the Vet visit is to determine what experience the Vet has with Squirrels or at least related species such as pet rats. Do they have experience performing orthopedic procedures such as the the amputation of the remaining forearm portion of the front extremity (again, my opinion is for conservation of the arm portion which is above the elbow, but of course, get their opinion and their detailed rationales for any recommendations)!

3) does the Vet have more than cursory experience with using conventional inhaled anesthetic agents such as Isoflurane and monitoring the status of the Squirrel and of the anesthesia during surgery.

4) You asked about whether or not the SMZ-TMP should be discontinued. I'll give you my opinion on this but yes, it would be good to get this advice from the Vet after the visit but it now seems that a visit while maybe being just over the horizon right now; you do not have a definitive appointment date as of yet. It seems from one of your posts that you actually did an Incision & Drainage procedure on Irrel's "stump" and significant pus was expelled form the wound. You also got a PM from CritterMom for the dosing on the 20th. Again, my opinions only; IF Irrel has been on the antibiotics for those 8 days and for at least the past 3 or 4 days (or more) he has NOT had any signs of infection such as swelling, fluctuance (a tense but boggy skin mass or bump which is a sign of an abscess), redness of the skin or drainage; most likely you could stop the antibiotics. If you wanted to simply set a time-frame for discontinuing the antibiotics but to not so so immediately, 10 days of being on the antibiotics with being free of any signs of infection for what would be more than 5 days should be fine as well! IF Irrel has developed an infection in the bone itself which would be broken remnants of the radius and/or ulna, the SMZ/TMP will not treat this adequately anyway. Removal or relatively long-term antibiotics of a different sort is required!

5) As far as the inquiry about getting Irrel neutered; I am not certain why they mentioned this unless they thought perhaps that if Irrel was neutered, it might decrease his activity level. I am not certain that if this was their rationale, it would be any more than a crap shoot!

Also, Irrel is an NR and his destiny is not in the trees but in your home and with your loving care! He is currently very active and that is a good sign unto itself but it also demonstrates that within the restrictions of captivity (which he needs), he is quite functional and I personally don't see why a possible decrease in activity that might be "gained" from this second surgical procedure would be worth doing! Just find out why they suggested this and have some time to think about it and post this in Irrel's thread.

Regards,
SamtheSquirrel

Hi Sam the Squirrel, the person that put me in contact with this vet is a fellow squirrel nut that does anesthesia for this vet. Both this person and the vet office assured me that they would not be taking him. Take that for what it’s worth because I don’t know how to really, really know. I say vet office because unfortunately I have not yet been able to speak personally to this new vet as they are out today, however my contact called and did speak with them. They had me call the office to set the appointment for Monday afternoon and without telling them they already knew it was for an “exotic” so he did give them a heads up. As to his experience level on squirrels and at this level, because of where we live I can only assume low. That may not necessarily make them a bad choice however, more will reveal itself at a face to face. Obviously I would love a vet that specializes in squirrels but that’s probably not going to happen around here. While I’m not going to knock on every door, if I have an opportunity to have someone local that is competent look at him I feel I can hear their opinion. Please don’t think that I’m just walking into any vet, putting him on the counter and asking someone to check him out. That said I appreciate more than you know reinforcing the caution factor when dealing with a unknown vet. An out of state visit won’t be ruled out though.
As of now, unless someone has better suggestions I’m planning to keep him on the antibiotics till Monday. That’s when the new appointment is scheduled for. He just lost his scab for the first time on the area that got infected. I just want to keep things status quo and not have things blow up and go backwards over the weekend. He has been on the antibiotics since 9/20 when Crittermom was so kindly to help us out.
After the vet tech spoke with the vet is when the neuter question got raised. I believe he heard “male” “pet” and they were under the assumption that we would be doing surgery as in opening and cleaning/inspecting (again already told them it will more than likely be more involved than that) and since he would already be out it would be a prime opportunity as to not do it in a separate procedure and induce more stress if I was already planning to have it done. She also did say that one reason would be for possible aggression that any animal especially with testosterone may have. I was just curious as I’m not necessarily opposed to it however I’m not usually looking for an unnecessary procedure to be done either. I know Crittermom suggested that they have a “testy” period at around mating age but they usually come out of it. It is not something I’ve read much about on here or heard it suggested, but have only had a passing thought because you hear about it all the time in cats and dogs. Again not something I had planned to peruse but was curious about the opinions here.

[SamtheSquirrel2018]

Hi Sam the Squirrel, the person that put me in contact with this vet is a fellow squirrel nut that does anesthesia for this vet. Both this person and the vet office assured me that they would not be taking him. Take that for what it’s worth because I don’t know how to really, really know. I say vet office because unfortunately I have not yet been able to speak personally to this new vet as they are out today, however my contact called and did speak with them. They had me call the office to set the appointment for Monday afternoon and without telling them they already knew it was for an “exotic” so he did give them a heads up. As to his experience level on squirrels and at this level, because of where we live I can only assume low. That may not necessarily make them a bad choice however, more will reveal itself at a face to face. Obviously I would love a vet that specializes in squirrels but that’s probably not going to happen around here. While I’m not going to knock on every door, if I have an opportunity to have someone local that is competent look at him I feel I can hear their opinion. Please don’t think that I’m just walking into any vet, putting him on the counter and asking someone to check him out. That said I appreciate more than you know reinforcing the caution factor when dealing with a unknown vet. An out of state visit won’t be ruled out though.
As of now, unless someone has better suggestions I’m planning to keep him on the antibiotics till Monday. That’s when the new appointment is scheduled for. He just lost his scab for the first time on the area that got infected. I just want to keep things status quo and not have things blow up and go backwards over the weekend. He has been on the antibiotics since 9/20 when Crittermom was so kindly to help us out.
After the vet tech spoke with the vet is when the neuter question got raised. I believe he heard “male” “pet” and they were under the assumption that we would be doing surgery as in opening and cleaning/inspecting (again already told them it will more than likely be more involved than that) and since he would already be out it would be a prime opportunity as to not do it in a separate procedure and induce more stress if I was already planning to have it done. She also did say that one reason would be for possible aggression that any animal especially with testosterone may have. I was just curious as I’m not necessarily opposed to it however I’m not usually looking for an unnecessary procedure to be done either. I know Crittermom suggested that they have a “testy” period at around mating age but they usually come out of it. It is not something I’ve read much about on here or heard it suggested, but have only had a passing thought because you hear about it all the time in cats and dogs. Again not something I had planned to peruse but was curious about the opinions here.

Thanks Shellysfriend! Please keep on with Irrel's updates!
Regards,
SamtheSquirrel

[Sadachara]

Irrel is doing very well. He is active, has a good appetite and is gaining weight every day! His leg is steadily improving. I have a vet that agreed to see him, however this is through a new to me contact and I have yet to speak with this vet personally. They were out of the office today so hopefully tomorrow I can have a conversation and possibly set an appointment. Also the hypochlorous acid solution that Sadachara recommended finally showed up today. Thank you for asking and thinking of Irrel!

Let us know how the hypochlorous goes. But you may find almost miraculous improvements with it.

We use it all around the house here, including for personal medical use. My daughter had an ear piercing become highly inflamed and we had her 'dip' her ear lobe into HOCL 3x a day. My wife still insisted on taking her to the doctor. After the doctor examined her she said 'Whatever you are doing is working, there isn't anything I can add to that.'.. I explained it was HOCL and she said to just roll with it, as that is what is used by body piercing and tattoo companies to reduce/eliminate topical infections and she approves of it.

[Shellysfriend]

Let us know how the hypochlorous goes. But you may find almost miraculous improvements with it.

We use it all around the house here, including for personal medical use. My daughter had an ear piercing become highly inflamed and we had her 'dip' her ear lobe into HOCL 3x a day. My wife still insisted on taking her to the doctor. After the doctor examined her she said 'Whatever you are doing is working, there isn't anything I can add to that.'.. I explained it was HOCL and she said to just roll with it, as that is what is used by body piercing and tattoo companies to reduce/eliminate topical infections and she approves of it.

I had drenched it right before the scab came off, I think he actually took the scab off himself but it was ready. Right after I saw it I soaked it again with it. Unfortunately 2 minutes doesn’t happen. Sit still when you want him to is not at all in his plans