My little squeaky needs help

[Bean]

Hi Bean:
The relationship you have with your Veterinarian is most important. There are some Veterinarians here on TSB and some very experienced Rehabbers and literally thousands of Squirrels and their people have been help here, including myself! I can say with certainty that there is NEVER any intent here on TSB to come between a Squirrel and his or her Veterinarian! You are very fortunate to have a Veterinarian who is interested in Squirrels and willing to take care of them professionally! Often we want to and try to refer members here on TSB to a Veterinarian and find most often that this is impossible for various reasons. Again, I'm glad that your Veterinarian is accessible and involved!! That is also great news to hear that your Vet will discuss Squeaky's case with the Summertree Vet. Also, Dr. E will be back in her office on Monday and may be willing to review Squeaky's x-ray films and records and make suggestions. If you don't mind, please post the antibiotic your Vet prescribed. Is it going to be prepared by a pharmacist or will you need mixing and dosing instructions? Please keep posting updates! We always like to hear how the Squirrels we become involved with or hear about on TSB are doing!
Regards,
SamtheSquirrel

This is the medication he prescribed squeaky and the dosage. I don't know anything bout this medication, but seems like a lot for such a little guy. I will post updates how he is doing on this medication.

[Bean]

Please tell me someone has used this chlorpalm before on squirrels. 14 days 2wice a day seems like a lot. Specially cuz when I looked it up, it says for people to stop giving the medication if nothing is noticed because it can cause issues

[SamtheSquirrel2018]

Please tell me someone has used this chlorpalm before on squirrels. 14 days 2wice a day seems like a lot. Specially cuz when I looked it up, it says for people to stop giving the medication if nothing is noticed because it can cause issues

Hi Bean:
I'm not surprised that you have some reservations about using this medication. I had not heard of this brand so I had to research it on-line. Chlorpalm is a brand of an antibiotic called Chloramphenicol. Apparently it is approved for use in dogs and horses as far as the veterinary venue goes. It is off-label for cats, rodents and other animals. It is not without significant concerns. There may be someone on TSB who is familiar with this medication and has experience using it in Squirrels but I rather doubt it! In human medicine, it is not a first-line drug for anything and there would be no reason to use this medication except in what is an almost unheard of situation where a bacterium that was causing an infection was resistant to all other usually effective medications and that chloramphenicol was the only antibiotic that happened to be effective. I can state in regard to medication used in Rodents, Chlorampyhenicol is not a first-line medication for anything. A common view in all of medicine, Veterinary or human, is that for empiric antibiotic treatment (this is treatment undertaken based upon likelihood of a particular condition existing, a clinician's experience, and logic supporting this presumptive condition existing without other definitive evidence being available to render a definitive diagnosis), first-line drugs should be utilized first. This is the essential meaning of a first-line drug! By the way, there is a huge experiential database here on the Squirrel Board and elsewhere for the use of Amoxicillin plus Clavulanate in Squirrels. Amoxicillin + Clavulanate, SMZ-TMP, enrofloxacin and a number of other medications can be considered first-line drugs for Squirrels. Of course this depends upon the nature of a particular Squirrel's likely condition. Bean, like you, I have reservations about this course of treatment! Maybe other on TSB will have some comments and/or suggestions. I am at work and will check back as soon as I am able.
Regards,
SamtheSquirrel

[Bean]

Hi Bean:
I'm not surprised that you have some reservations about using this medication. I had not heard of this brand so I had to research it on-line. Chlorpalm is a brand of an antibiotic called Chloramphenicol. Apparently it is approved for use in dogs and horses as far as the veterinary venue goes. It is off-label for cats, rodents and other animals. It is not without significant concerns. There may be someone on TSB who is familiar with this medication and has experience using it in Squirrels but I rather doubt it! In human medicine, it is not a first-line drug for anything and there would be no reason to use this medication except in what is an almost unheard of situation where a bacterium that was causing an infection was resistant to all other usually effective medications and that chloramphenicol was the only antibiotic that happened to be effective. I can state in regard to medication used in Rodents, Chlorampyhenicol is not a first-line medication for anything. A common view in all of medicine, Veterinary or human, is that for empiric antibiotic treatment (this is treatment undertaken based upon likelihood of a particular condition existing, a clinician's experience, and logic supporting this presumptive condition existing without other definitive evidence being available to render a definitive diagnosis), first-line drugs should be utilized first. This is the essential meaning of a first-line drug! By the way, there is a huge experiential database here on the Squirrel Board and elsewhere for the use of Amoxicillin plus Clavulanate in Squirrels. Amoxicillin + Clavulanate, SMZ-TMP, enrofloxacin and a number of other medications can be considered first-line drugs for Squirrels. Of course this depends upon the nature of a particular Squirrel's likely condition. Bean, like you, I have reservations about this course of treatment! Maybe other on TSB will have some comments and/or suggestions. I am at work and will check back as soon as I am able.
Regards,
SamtheSquirrel

Yea I know, I looked it up and found it is risky and worries me giving it to him. I wonder why he wouldn't give me the other stuff....I talked to the rehabber I talk to as well and she said that is clavamox and she gives it to her squirrels whenever needed..I did give squeaky a little bit, I didn't give him the 0.2ml I gave less, and I'm not sure I want to continue it...squeaky has been ok in the last 2 days now. He looks healthy, nothin coming from his mouth and no white in his eyes, but the occasional sneezing still. I'm worried the medicine will cause something n I just wanna monitor how he does for the whole night now but can't. Il check on him in the morning, but I definitely am not giving him the medication every 12 hours for the next 14 days...even in cats and dogs, it says not to give too much cuz it can cause serious problems. They even told me I have to wear gloves when dealing with it cuz it absorbs fast into the skin and can cause some sort of health problem. I hope squeak does ok after taking this..

[Bean]

Here's how squeaky looks right now. So much better looking.

[SamtheSquirrel2018]

Here's how squeaky looks right now. So much better looking.

Hi Squeaky. You are a handsome little Squirrel! He sure looks healthy, Bean!
Regards,
StS

[SamtheSquirrel2018]

Yea I know, I looked it up and found it is risky and worries me giving it to him. I wonder why he wouldn't give me the other stuff....I talked to the rehabber I talk to as well and she said that is clavamox and she gives it to her squirrels whenever needed..I did give squeaky a little bit, I didn't give him the 0.2ml I gave less, and I'm not sure I want to continue it...squeaky has been ok in the last 2 days now. He looks healthy, nothin coming from his mouth and no white in his eyes, but the occasional sneezing still. I'm worried the medicine will cause something n I just wanna monitor how he does for the whole night now but can't. Il check on him in the morning, but I definitely am not giving him the medication every 12 hours for the next 14 days...even in cats and dogs, it says not to give too much cuz it can cause serious problems. They even told me I have to wear gloves when dealing with it cuz it absorbs fast into the skin and can cause some sort of health problem. I hope squeak does ok after taking this..

Will your Rehabber be able to get some Clavamox for you? Have you checked with friends and family about the possibility of any of them having Augmentin or the generic, amoxicillin + clavulanate lying around at home? You will not need much!
StS

[Bean]

Will your Rehabber be able to get some Clavamox for you? Have you checked with friends and family about the possibility of any of them having Augmentin or the generic, amoxicillin + clavulanate lying around at home? You will not need much!
StS

My rehabber is also in the states she helped me through everything over messages. And squeaky seemed immediately worse after putting him on that medication sneezing a ton, very nasally sounding, milky eye which did go away for the past few days now, came back when he sneezed and then went away again, and he seemed open mouth gasping almost...I sat and watched him eat for a bit, and it tapered off and was ok again, still a little sneezy and nasally but I'm not giving him that medication anymore. Last few days before that seemed he was doin way better. Was still sneezing but I didn't notice the milky eye, or any nasally sound. I sent the message I posted here about the medications to Dr peters as well to see what he says, I'm gonna relay the symptoms to my vet and jow he immediately got worse. Even his poops were really soft.

[SamtheSquirrel2018]

My rehabber is also in the states she helped me through everything over messages. And squeaky seemed immediately worse after putting him on that medication sneezing a ton, very nasally sounding, milky eye which did go away for the past few days now, came back when he sneezed and then went away again, and he seemed open mouth gasping almost...I sat and watched him eat for a bit, and it tapered off and was ok again, still a little sneezy and nasally but I'm not giving him that medication anymore. Last few days before that seemed he was doin way better. Was still sneezing but I didn't notice the milky eye, or any nasally sound. I sent the message I posted here about the medications to Dr peters as well to see what he says, I'm gonna relay the symptoms to my vet and jow he immediately got worse. Even his poops were really soft.

Hi Bean:
I still strongly suspect a dental infection. I don't believe that the chloranphenicol made the symptoms return, I just believe that the infection is smoldering and the signs are intermittent currently. Again, I, just like you have great reservations about using chloramphenicol for treatment of a Squirrel under any circumstances!

I wish you could get the Amoxicillin plus Clavulanate. and get it ASAP! Maybe your Vet would reconsider and write the prescription for this Amoxicillin plus Clavulanate if you tell him your concerns and that you do NOT want to use the chloramphenicol anyway. Also that most everyone rehabbing Squirrels and rodents use Amoxicillin plus Clavulanate as a FIRST-LINE medication for oral and dental infections and have been doing so for decades and the experiential database for its safe and effective use for these diagnoses in Squirrels is truly immense as well as being consistently favorable! Please try! Call the office!
Thanks,
SamtheSquirrel

[Bean]

Hi Bean:
I still strongly suspect a dental infection. I don't believe that the chloranphenicol made the symptoms return, I just believe that the infection is smoldering and the signs are intermittent currently. Again, I, just like you have great reservations about using chloramphenicol for treatment of a Squirrel under any circumstances!

I wish you could get the Amoxicillin plus Clavulanate. and get it ASAP! Maybe your Vet would reconsider and write the prescription for this Amoxicillin plus Clavulanate if you tell him your concerns and that you do NOT want to use the chloramphenicol anyway. Also that most everyone rehabbing Squirrels and rodents use Amoxicillin plus Clavulanate as a FIRST-LINE medication for oral and dental infections and have been doing so for decades and the experiential database for its safe and effective use for these diagnoses in Squirrels is truly immense consistently favorable! Please try! Call the office!
Thanks,
SamtheSquirrel

This is why I messaged the other vet, I mentioned what my vet said about the meds u recommended, and also asked about the one he gave me..the last medications I asked for were the meds Dr peters recommended and squeaky got way better on them, if I can get Dr peters to agree on that medication, he may reconsider. It's because the people on here aren't doctors so he's worried I'm just taking anything off the internet. I haven't read much good about the medication he gave me. And when I looked up the one u said, It says it's recommended right on Google. I just want him better I hope Dr peters gets back to me fast. Cuz he wasn't doin as good today, way worse than yesterday

[Bean]

Hi Bean:
I still strongly suspect a dental infection. I don't believe that the chloranphenicol made the symptoms return, I just believe that the infection is smoldering and the signs are intermittent currently. Again, I, just like you have great reservations about using chloramphenicol for treatment of a Squirrel under any circumstances!

I wish you could get the Amoxicillin plus Clavulanate. and get it ASAP! Maybe your Vet would reconsider and write the prescription for this Amoxicillin plus Clavulanate if you tell him your concerns and that you do NOT want to use the chloramphenicol anyway. Also that most everyone rehabbing Squirrels and rodents use Amoxicillin plus Clavulanate as a FIRST-LINE medication for oral and dental infections and have been doing so for decades and the experiential database for its safe and effective use for these diagnoses in Squirrels is truly immense as well as being consistently favorable! Please try! Call the office!
Thanks,
SamtheSquirrel

This is what Dr peters said:

I assume Chloramphenicol? I have used it in Squirrels including Karon’s.

Maybe your vet could culture some of the discharge? Clavamox is a possibility- I don’t use it often in Squirrels but I do know a lot of people use it. I’m hesitant with some of the side effects in Squirrels, but it can be used.

[SamtheSquirrel2018]

This is what Dr peters said:

I assume Chloramphenicol? I have used it in Squirrels including Karon’s.

Maybe your vet could culture some of the discharge? Clavamox is a possibility- I don’t use it often in Squirrels but I do know a lot of people use it. I’m hesitant with some of the side effects in Squirrels, but it can be used.

Hi Bean:
Is Dr. Peters willing to write a prescription? Do you think your Vet might reconsider and write a prescription for a different antibiotic? How is Squeaky doing?
Regards,
SamtheSquirrel

[Bean]

Hi Bean:
Is Dr. Peters willing to write a prescription? Do you think your Vet might reconsider and write a prescription for a different antibiotic? How is Squeaky doing?
Regards,
SamtheSquirrel

I am sure dr Peters would write me a prescription, but he isn't allowed to write one in the states to Canada. But my vet does listen to him and agree with his decisions, I sent him dr Peters email today and he agreed with him, this is what he said to me. I was sent to work the opposite direction over 2 hours and I got a call that it is ready for pickup, so I have to pick up tomorrow and they will re administer the one dr Peters suggested.

I'm not sure yet how squeaky is doin, I hope he is ok. I had to go to work but I sat and watched him for 10-15 mins before I had to leave for work this morning, and he did settle down a bit on the sneezing and all that. So I will update as soon as I get back home! And hopefully tomorrow on the new medication, he will do much better

[Bean]

Hi Bean:
Is Dr. Peters willing to write a prescription? Do you think your Vet might reconsider and write a prescription for a different antibiotic? How is Squeaky doing?
Regards,
SamtheSquirrel

Squeaky seems to be doing ok, still a bit of milky eyes though, but he's running around and playing a lot and not breathing wierd

[SamtheSquirrel2018]

Squeaky seems to be doing ok, still a bit of milky eyes though, but he's running around and playing a lot and not breathing wierd

Thanks Bean. Please on with the updates!
Regards,
StS

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[Bean]

Thanks Bean. Please on with the updates!
Regards,
StS

So squeaky looks better today, no milky eyes that I seen, and maybe 2 sneezes so far. He did have white stuff come out of his mouth a little yesterday a few hours after the medication, maybe it is caused from that. He did have really wierd breathing movements in the morning again when I came in, always sitting on his tree and his whole body moves really big when breathing for a few seconds, but I believe it's an excitement thing cuz he doesn't do it after a few seconds, he sits there, breathes wierd and then jumps on the cage wall and squeaks and goes nuts while breathing normal. I put him in his outside enclosure today so he could get some sun to see if it helps him a bit, he still doesn't like going outside and freezes up lol. But he's doin good so far.

[SamtheSquirrel2018]

Hi Bean:
How is little Squeaky doing? I hope all is going well for him! I've missed hearing about Squeaky!
Regards,
SamtheSquirrel

[Bean]

Hi Bean:
How is little Squeaky doing? I hope all is going well for him! I've missed hearing about Squeaky!
Regards,
SamtheSquirrel

He has been doing way better. Since the new medication, I haven't seen anything bad other than a couple sneezes here and there, normally when he's cleaning his face.. his poor little teeth are getting long fast, gonna have to take him in for a trim again soon. The top gap is so wide between them his bottom ones go between them. Other than that, he's doin good at the moment. I hope the medication cures his little issue

[SamtheSquirrel2018]

He has been doing way better. Since the new medication, I haven't seen anything bad other than a couple sneezes here and there, normally when he's cleaning his face.. his poor little teeth are getting long fast, gonna have to take him in for a trim again soon. The top gap is so wide between them his bottom ones go between them. Other than that, he's doin good at the moment. I hope the medication cures his little issue

Hi Bean:
It's so good to hear that Squeaky is doing much better! Thanks for the updates! I wish the very best for both you and little Squeaky!
Regards,
SamtheSquirrel