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    Question Iím new. Flyer advice?

    Hi! This is my first time posting to the forum.

    BasicallyÖ my friend has a flying squirrel he has taken care of for years. Originally his cat had brought it in as a young baby, eyes still closed, and he brought it back to health and took care of him. The squirrel is now about 5 years old and is definitely a non releasable. I wonít get into the reasons but basically he is having to rehome his animals. Iím a potential candidate for his flying squirrel and if I take the squirrel in, I want to make sure that Iím doing everything right.

    He is currently being fed- well Iíll quote 😅 ďA typical meal looks like 3 acorns, an alfalfa hay cube, a sesame seed peanut roll, and a yogurt dropĒ ďAnd once in a while some sliced meat ď

    ď. He has a somewhat easy diet and and doesn't need alot of special or expensive stuff. He won't eat larvae or anything that's still moving. Every 3 or so weeks I put honey in his water (he has a water bottle) and mix it and it gives him natural sugar and he gets some nutrients from it (it was recommended by a vet)Ē

    ď He gets chicken and egg for proteinĒ ď And then fruits acorns nuts, some vegetablesĒ ď And some fiber too, he likes oatsĒ ď He eats alot of doffeent types of berries and grapesĒ ď He likes strawberries the mostĒ ď He likes carrots and celeryĒ ď And dried fruit as well, like raisens and datesĒ ď He refuses to eat anything that might have a slimy texture Ē

    I was thinking of slowly changing his diet if I get him to include some squirrel pellets, Henry flyer blocks, etc- but I donít 100% know whatís best. (Obviously I know that he isnít a sugar glider but) is there any special formulas you can follow for flyers like they have for sugar gliders? (Like SGS2, OHPW, TPG, etc-) to keep the calcium, phosphorus, and vitamin D levels good and ensure proper nutrition?

    I hear that he likes to chew a lot, makes sense considering their teeth continuously grow. I imagine that flyers would like a lot of the same stuff in their cage that sugar gliders do but would I have to be careful about plastic toys because of this?

    I also want to make sure that Iím not breaking any laws if I take him inÖ I live in Florida and donít have any permits for taking care of wildlife.

    Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks!

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    . HelloÖIím also in Florida and have a flyer. Iím along the east coast.

    Florida does not have strict rules about squirrels. I donít think you have to worry about that. Itís always advisable to not post info about him on social media and such, however I know there are folks that have gray squirrels and raccoons that do. Iím not sure if they have permits or not.

    Here is the link to the recommended foods for a flyer. https://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/...ying-Squirrels

    If you take this guy I think it would be wise to include Henryís blocks in his diet. A flyer only gets 1/2 to 1 block a day. Donít get the Flyer blocks most flyers hate them. Iíd get either the Picky Eater blocks or the hazelnut. My guy prefers the Picky Eater ones. The block provides the necessary calcium in his diet. Mushrooms are also very important for flyers because they contain Vitamin D which helps them absorb the calcium. My guy likes shiitake mushrooms best.

    Reading the diet your friend provides sounds like it might be higher in nuts and seeds and fruit than it should be. Nuts and seeds are treats. My flyer gets about one half of a shelled almond about once every 2 weeks and an in shell nut about once a month. I will occasionally give him a couple of raw pumpkin seeds. Never any pine nuts or sunflower seeds. He really likes dried banana chips and I will break one into small pieces and give him one as a treat.

    For a protein source that doesnít move you could try dried mealworms or PureBites dehydrated chicken. It can be found in the dog and cat treat aisle at big box pet stores. My guy also likes rolled oats and Iíll give him that occasionally. I also give a spoon of full fat Liberteí vanilla yogurt every nightÖ.it comes from PublixÖ.it is the brand he prefers.

    In my opinion flyers are easier to care for than gray squirrels. The most difficult aspect of them is that theyíre nocturnal and that they are really, really fast. Because theyíre always on the move itís hard to cuddle them. I take my guy into the bathroom to jump and run aroundÖI have cats so he canít be out in the rest of the house. Besides if I take him into the bedroom he hides behind the bed and itís very difficult to coax him out. Be sure your toilet seats are always down, they have been known to drown in the toilet.

    I hope Iíve answered your questions. If not, then ask some more.

    Flying Squirrels can live 10+ years in captivity.

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    Funny about the brands of yogurt. My flyer only ate Oui vanilla yogurt, so I bit the bullet and started buying Oui instead of good old (cheap) Dannon Greek. The flyer has long been released but I am still hooked on Oui vanilla.
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    Thank you for the replies!

    So for mushrooms Iím guessing you give them raw? Just making sure

    For diet, how does something like this look:?
    Breakfast:

    1 tablespoon of pellets and 1/4 or 1/2 of a picky flyer block, 1 rodent block, all dusted in squirrel multivitamins, honey powder, and sugar glider HPW powder

    Dinner:

    small ice cube sized mix of fruits, slightly larger ice cube sized mix of veggies, hard boiled quail egg with the shell, dried bugs, teaspoon of yogurt, teaspoon of oats, 1/4 of a picky flyer block, and a rodent block, all dusted in squirrel multivitamins, calcium, honey powder, and sugar glider HPW powder

    Is that too much supplementation? I know that they arenít sugar gliders, and that they arenít even related, and that they have very different dietary requirements, the HPW powder was to add more protein and for taste, but I donít know if itís a good idea or notÖ.

    It is interesting that they have brands of yogurt that they prefer.

    For inside the cage, are sugar glider toys safe?

    https://www.thepetglider.com/collect...ar-glider-toys

    Then I was also thinking of if I get him, giving him exercise in a tent once a week

    And continuing to add honey to his water every 2 weeks because thatís what heís used to

    Do flying squirrels like sugar glider wheels? If so, is it better to have nail trimming inserts? Or without those? Do flying squirrels need nail trims in a captive setting? Is there anything extra that someone can do to enrich their life?

    Thank you for taking the time to read and answer 😅

    Food and supplement links because Iím still not sure whatís best:
    😅

    https://henryspets.com/picky-blocks-...rats-and-mice/

    https://www.squirrelsandmore.com/pro...nt=18410004871

    https://www.squirrelsandmore.com/pro...nt=53151009223

    https://www.etsy.com/listing/7187390...-mice?ref=cart

    https://www.etsy.com/listing/7155125...tural?ref=cart

    https://henryspets.com/hi-protein-blocks/

    https://henryspets.com/mbd-treatment...-in-squirrels/

    https://henryspets.com/hazelnut-bloc...rats-and-mice/

    https://henryspets.com/healthy-block...rats-and-mice/

    https://henryspets.com/wild-bites-fo...rats-and-mice/

    https://www.jandaexotics.com/product...ent-food-block

    https://smallpetstore.com/shop/ols/p...obal-2014-9lbs

    https://smallpetstore.com/shop/ols/p...4lb-net-weight

    https://www.chewy.com/mazuri-mouse-rat-food/dp/124758

    https://www.exoticnutrition.com/Prod...pc-S227EN.aspx

    https://www.exoticnutrition.com/Prod...e__S225EN.aspx

    https://www.exoticnutrition.com/Prod...b__EN1879.aspx

    https://www.chewy.com/kaytee-forti-d...RoCY38QAvD_BwE

    https://www.chewy.com/mazuri-mouse-r...BoC3PwQAvD_BwE

    https://henryspets.com/flyer-diet/

    http://www.theratshop.com/shop.html

    https://www.thepetglider.com/product...nt=30925664331

    https://www.etsy.com/listing/6799175...t-for?ref=cart

    https://www.squirrelsandmore.com/pro...=6873520635959

    https://www.etsy.com/listing/8321533...etary?ref=cart

    https://www.etsy.com/listing/7202278...for-a?ref=cart

    https://sugarglidershop.co.uk/product/sgs-honey-powder/

    https://www.etsy.com/listing/6395047...tural?ref=cart

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    Default Re: Iím new. Flyer advice?

    Also if I get him are there any bonding tips or things in general that might be useful to know before getting a squirrel?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curious_and_learning View Post
    Thank you for the replies!

    So for mushrooms Iím guessing you give them raw? Just making sure

    For diet, how does something like this look:?
    Breakfast:

    1 tablespoon of pellets and 1/4 or 1/2 of a picky flyer block, 1 rodent block, all dusted in squirrel multivitamins, honey powder, and sugar glider HPW powder

    Dinner:

    small ice cube sized mix of fruits, slightly larger ice cube sized mix of veggies, hard boiled quail egg with the shell, dried bugs, teaspoon of yogurt, teaspoon of oats, 1/4 of a picky flyer block, and a rodent block, all dusted in squirrel multivitamins, calcium, honey powder, and sugar glider HPW powder

    Is that too much supplementation? I know that they arenít sugar gliders, and that they arenít even related, and that they have very different dietary requirements, the HPW powder was to add more protein and for taste, but I donít know if itís a good idea or notÖ.

    It is interesting that they have brands of yogurt that they prefer.

    For inside the cage, are sugar glider toys safe?

    https://www.thepetglider.com/collect...ar-glider-toys

    Then I was also thinking of if I get him, giving him exercise in a tent once a week

    And continuing to add honey to his water every 2 weeks because thatís what heís used to

    Do flying squirrels like sugar glider wheels? If so, is it better to have nail trimming inserts? Or without those? Do flying squirrels need nail trims in a captive setting? Is there anything extra that someone can do to enrich their life?

    Thank you for taking the time to read and answer 😅

    Food and supplement links because Iím still not sure whatís best:
    😅

    https://henryspets.com/picky-blocks-...rats-and-mice/

    https://www.squirrelsandmore.com/pro...nt=18410004871

    https://www.squirrelsandmore.com/pro...nt=53151009223

    https://www.etsy.com/listing/7187390...-mice?ref=cart

    https://www.etsy.com/listing/7155125...tural?ref=cart

    https://henryspets.com/hi-protein-blocks/

    https://henryspets.com/mbd-treatment...-in-squirrels/

    https://henryspets.com/hazelnut-bloc...rats-and-mice/

    https://henryspets.com/healthy-block...rats-and-mice/

    https://henryspets.com/wild-bites-fo...rats-and-mice/

    https://www.jandaexotics.com/product...ent-food-block

    https://smallpetstore.com/shop/ols/p...obal-2014-9lbs

    https://smallpetstore.com/shop/ols/p...4lb-net-weight

    https://www.chewy.com/mazuri-mouse-rat-food/dp/124758

    https://www.exoticnutrition.com/Prod...pc-S227EN.aspx

    https://www.exoticnutrition.com/Prod...e__S225EN.aspx

    https://www.exoticnutrition.com/Prod...b__EN1879.aspx

    https://www.chewy.com/kaytee-forti-d...RoCY38QAvD_BwE

    https://www.chewy.com/mazuri-mouse-r...BoC3PwQAvD_BwE

    https://henryspets.com/flyer-diet/

    http://www.theratshop.com/shop.html

    https://www.thepetglider.com/product...nt=30925664331

    https://www.etsy.com/listing/6799175...t-for?ref=cart

    https://www.squirrelsandmore.com/pro...=6873520635959

    https://www.etsy.com/listing/8321533...etary?ref=cart

    https://www.etsy.com/listing/7202278...for-a?ref=cart

    https://sugarglidershop.co.uk/product/sgs-honey-powder/

    https://www.etsy.com/listing/6395047...tural?ref=cart


    I donít know what sugar glider HPW is? Donít dust his block with any extra vitamins. Henryís blocks are full of vitamins which is why he only needs one per day. The rest of his diet should consist of veggies and fruits from the healthy list. Squirrels can get too many supplements and it can be equally as harmful as not enough.

    Yes, mushrooms are raw. You need to give some greens like kale, arugula, endive, escarole, broccoli, radicchio etc.

    I didnít go through all of your links but got through most. Donít buy the Exotic Nutrition starter kit. You could buy dried rose hips from them but not the other stuff. Get the Henryís Picky blocks not the Flyer blocksÖ..they like the picky ones better. The Envigo and Mazuri rodent block you found is correct. If you can get a small bag of each without it costing too much you could see if the squirrel will like one better than the other. Envigo is a high quality block but neither need dusted with any other supplements. They are complete nutrition. Chances are good he wonít eat either as theyíre not real tasty and heís older, but you can try. Henryís has a straight calcium powder with no vitamin D. Vitamin D in large quantities is toxic so donít give calcium with it in it.

    Hereís the link for the wheel I have. https://www.mygliderwheelsandmore.co...or-wheels.html You can get it with or without the nail files. Iím not sure they do a whole lot.

    Hereís the link for a bonding pouch. https://www.etsy.com/listing/7325327...iABEgLQz_D_BwE
    You can try putting him in it, but he may not tolerate it since heís older.

    Good luck, let us know how it goes.

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    Soóó something happened between me and my friend and, simply put, I donít think Iím going to end up with his flyer, but I hope everything gets figured out and everything goes well for him.

    I saw 2 flyers on Craigslist listed as Sugar Gliders, not bonded, the female being 1 year old and the male being 2 years old. I was curious so I reached out and they said they arenít flying squirrels but sugar glidersÖ They donít look like sugar gliders but rather like flying squirrelsÖ BasicallyÖ I got them.

    I figured I might as well since I was already mentally preparing for a flyer and that happened between me and my friend soÖ I plan to give them the best life I can provide (within my ability to do so, Iím 19).

    Since I got them on Valentineís Day I named the male Valentino and Iím still coming up with a name for the female. (Feel free to provide suggestions)

    Iím hoping to get them a cage upgrade (after bonding them), give them a more species appropriate diet, and get more cage items for them.

    Thank you for the tips Iíve gotten so far and any more people have for me are welcome, please remember that Iím a person just like you 😅

    Thank you!!

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    Can you post a picture? A picture will help us to determine if they are flyers or sugar gliders. Please be aware if they are a male and female, whether flyers or sugar gliders, they are likely to mate and produce babies. If this were to happen there have been instances where there is a possibility of the males killing the babies. It’s usually best to separate the male from the female prior to birth. I know for a fact flyers WILL mate in captivity and males will kill the babies.

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    To me they look way more like flying squirrels than they do sugar gliders

    Yeah, that was one of my concerns considering that they are opposite sexÖ

    I decided on names: Valentino and Petal

    Petal seems to absolutely love mealworms

    Valentino might be afraid of live mealworms, canít tell yetÖ

    I also gave them some mushroom to nibble on

    Tomorrow I think Iím going to get more fresh food for them, and at some point I should probably upgrade the cagingÖ

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    Petal seems to absolutely love mealworms

    Flyers.

    I am concerned about what appears to be a lump on the chest in this picture?

    Careful on the meal-worms, they have terrible Ca-Phos ratios, much like nuts.


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    I posted this link before, but here it is again. https://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/...ying-Squirrels Offer foods from this list along with some type of rodent block like Henryís Healthy Pets Picky Eater or Hazelnut block. You can buy them online at Henryís Pets. They should have no more than one block each per day. Another good source of protein is chicken or eggs. You can buy dehydrated chicken at pet stores. Itís sold as treats for dogs and cats. Itís called Pure Bites.

    Could you post another picture of the chest of the one that Spanky thought he saw a lump on?

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    Valentino

    Thatís the squirrel people said they mightíve seen a lump on.

    Also, does anyone have any tips for bonding with flyers?

    Today Valentino seems to be a little on edge, kinda looks maybe hormonal? Just an observationÖ Not quite sure how to describe what I mean

    Thanks

    Iíll see if I can maybe order some picky or hazelnut Henry flyer blocks today

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mel1959 View Post
    Another good source of protein is chicken or eggs.
    I use the Pure Bite freeze dried chicken and eggs for the flyers too... just a note... the eggs should be cooked. Scrambled or hard boiled are both well received. Some folks put a bit of cheese into their scrambled eggs.

    The flyers I release are provided crickets and grasshoppers to acclimate them to catching and eating insects.

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    Valentino
    The more recent picture is reassuring that Valentino is okee dokee... it was probably just the camera angle in the other picture.

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    The best way to bond with a flyer is to buy a bonding pouch from either an online source or a pet store. The bonding pouches have a zipper and air holes and you wear it around your neck. You can tuck it inside your clothing if you like to allow them to get your scent. Since your guys are older they may resist a pouch. If youíre going to attempt it Iíd do it in the daytime when theyíd typically be sleeping.

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