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    Hello squirrel enthusiasts and aficionados!

    Here is a head-scratcher. I have a 8-9 week old grey squirrel (female) that has developed these lesions over her body. A bit of backstory, she is paired with another squirrel early on who has not shown as lesions and another squirrel which was much older (closer to 10-12 weeks). I got the pair around 4-4.5 weeks old, the older one was about 6 weeks old. The older one has neurological issues and paired better with them. Neuro was quarantined for 72 hours before being put with anyone. About a week of living together the female had an injury on her back foot, on her toe. I figured they got too rough, put Dermalone on it 2x a day and thought nothing of it. About 24-48 hours later, the toe, foot, and leg had swollen. I put her on Clavamox (1cc 2x a day) for about 7 days which helped the swelling but not the injury itself. As time progressed, I found a lesion on her abdomen next to the injured foot. Again, figured the Neuro was picking on her, made sure everyone has plenty of food so there was no fighting until I could separate everyone. 3 days later, everyone was separated, in that time more lesions had appeared. Its been a week since the Neuro and the pair have been separated and the lesions are still spreading. I don't believe it is squirrel pox as no one else has it. I don't believe the lesions are bites from the other squirrels because the instigator is no longer housed with them. She is plateauing, not thriving. Fur is thinner than it should be but she is still perky and a fighter. I have attached photos that I could get as she is feisty. Any ideas on what it could potentially be? Thank you!!!

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    Default Re: 8-9 week grey squirrel with lesions- started around 5 weeks

    Does this look "yeast-ish" to anyone else?

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    Default Re: 8-9 week grey squirrel with lesions- started around 5 weeks

    Could you clarify "yeast-ish" for me?

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    Default Re: 8-9 week grey squirrel with lesions- started around 5 weeks

    Sorry - like a topical yeast infection.

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    I am wondering about pox? Never had a pox baby but it looks like a similar presentation.

    Hope not.
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    Default Re: 8-9 week grey squirrel with lesions- started around 5 weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by CritterMom View Post
    Sorry - like a topical yeast infection.
    What could cause a topical yeast infection?

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    Quote Originally Posted by redwuff View Post
    I am wondering about pox? Never had a pox baby but it looks like a similar presentation.

    Hope not.
    I hope not too! No one else has these lesions which is why I don't think its pox. They all drink from the same nipples/syringes which will cause it to rapidly spread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kat.new View Post
    What could cause a topical yeast infection?
    Candida is present in the body normally. An overgrowth of it can be from many things - antibiotics can cause it, stress can cause it, general poor health can cause it... I don't KNOW this is yeast, but the one yellowish one on his tummy literally made yeast pop into my head. Give us a bit - we have lots of really bright folks on here.

    I don't *think* it is pox. All of the early pox lesions I have seen look almost like the water blisters that first bubble up from a burn. This doesn't look like that.

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    Default Re: 8-9 week grey squirrel with lesions- started around 5 weeks

    It looks yeast-ish and maybe could be pox. Could you try to post come additional pictures?

    Are they all raised? I am specifically interested to know about the lesion on her muzzle.

    I'd stop the dermalone and use some diluted
    Povidone-Iodine (betadine), 20 drops in a cup of water. Should look like weak tea. Wipe it on and leave it. Do those 4 - 5 times a day and see if it start responding... this is to treat a possible topical yeast or staph infection. If you see no improvement or any indication of worsening stop the betadine. You can get this at any drug store, the store brand is fine and inexpensive.

    If this is pox, it gets way more complicate and dangerous.... maybe other will weigh in on the pox possibility. There are various treatments for Pox, my personal choice is acyclovir of vancyclovir orally. Some folks use Mexsana (powdered cornstarch).. I tried this but am unsure it made a difference... the anti-viral drugs are key in my experience.

    I have treated several pox cases but I am just not certain here. Edit: Just saw CM's post and I am with her... I don't think this is pox but I cannot say with certainty.

    I'd separate her form the others for now to be safe.


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    Default Re: 8-9 week grey squirrel with lesions- started around 5 weeks

    I canít say for sure what that is but there is something in your first post that caught my attention.
    You mentioned a Clavamox dose of 1cc 2x a day. Without even knowing the concentration of your suspension, it sounds WAY high. When did they finish the Clavamox?

    I have never seen pox personally and the lesions arenít typical from what Iíve seen in pics but the progression of this sure is suspect for pox. Just because the others donít have it (yet) doesnít rule it out.

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    Default Re: 8-9 week grey squirrel with lesions- started around 5 weeks

    Hi Kat.New:
    How is your little Squirrel with the lesions doing? What medication(s) are you now using? And how are your other Squirrels?
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    Default Re: 8-9 week grey squirrel with lesions- started around 5 weeks

    Hi all!

    Sorry for the delayed update, I'm not getting notifications when someone has commented on a thread of mine. We are trying a new approach for treatment. My mentor and a couple other rehabilitators were able to look at the photos I posted earlier on in the thread and think it could be some sort of fungal infection, parasite, or possibly even an auto-immune disease.

    Originally the Clavamox was to treat a possible infection with the injured toe. The antibiotic was used Sept. 9-14th to help with the swelling as it looked infected, but the toe has never healed, just staying scabbed over. On Sept 14th, is when I found the first lesion on her abdomen near her back left leg. Since then, the lesions have multiplied. Monday night, Sept 27th, she started showing signs of being in pain. She didn't want to be touched by anyone or anything. She was still living with her little release buddy (until I could obtain another cage to separate them) and she would yell at him if he touched her. I gave her Carprofen 12.5mg in 5cc saline solution, orally, which seemed to really help. Lesions still there but she didn't seem to be in as much pain.

    Currently we're hitting whatever this is with Prednisone and Lotrimin cream. 5mg Prednisone in 5cc of saline solution, 1:1, 1x day. Lotrimin cream on the lesions except on her face as I don't want it to get in her eyes, twice a day. If it's auto-immune, the steroids will calm it down, if its fungal or parasite, the Lotrimin will knock it out. If none of those work, next step is the Betadine solution. Carprofen was only given once as it does not interact well with Prednisone.

    Below are updated photos from tonight that I was able to snag while feeding her. Every time I look at her, she seems to be getting worse. While not the answer we want, the possibility of euthanasia has crossed my mind. Not to give up but if she is in pain and I can't fix it, its not fair to her to suffer and be in pain. I will continue to fight for her as long as she continues to fight.

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    Default Re: 8-9 week grey squirrel with lesions- started around 5 weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by HRT4SQRLS View Post
    I can’t say for sure what that is but there is something in your first post that caught my attention.
    You mentioned a Clavamox dose of 1cc 2x a day. Without even knowing the concentration of your suspension, it sounds WAY high. When did they finish the Clavamox?

    I have never seen pox personally and the lesions aren’t typical from what I’ve seen in pics but the progression of this sure is suspect for pox. Just because the others don’t have it (yet) doesn’t rule it out.
    You are correct, the dosage in my original post was incorrect. The correct dosage she received was 1/10 of a cc 2x day for 5 days.

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    Default Re: 8-9 week grey squirrel with lesions- started around 5 weeks

    These lesions appear very similar to the lesions of concern in the current thread started by DavidDane: "Pet Grey Squirrel - Lesion under arm - Safe antibiotic?"
    It may be worthwhile to both of you if you view this thread and maybe share information. I'll make the same suggestion to DD.
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    Folks, I still believe this is pox, which can be reversed when caught early -- like NOW. get hold of some acyclovir or Valtrex!

    It can take three weeks for pox to show on the others. Please don't waste time, for your squirrels' sake
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    Quote Originally Posted by island rehabber View Post
    Folks, I still believe this is pox, which can be reversed when caught early -- like NOW. get hold of some acyclovir or Valtrex!

    It can take three weeks for pox to show on the others. Please don't waste time, for your squirrels' sake
    I now agree with you - the one on the face is classic pox. I re-iterate my offer made by PM when the first set of pics were posted.

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    Pox doesn't rapidly spread. It took 2 wks for the last baby in my group to show up with it...i imMEDIATELY quarantined her BUT...10 DAYS later another baby showed signs, and within 3 weeks I had 4 with it.
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    Forget the Pred and all the other stuff. You will need:

    ACYCLOVIR also called Valtrex, for herpes in people. Many people have it at home. We can dose

    NutriFeron tabs. Order online, we will help with dosing. Take some yourself, excellent immune booster.

    GOLD BOND powder. Pox must be kept DRY. No neosporin, Silvadene, or petroleum jelly -- DRY.

    Betadine diluted to the color of weak tea. Carefully clean each lesion with the Betadine, then coat it with the Gold Bond. We joked that my squirrels looked like chicken cutlets with feet and tails

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    I offered acyclovir and dosing info by PM the first day that the poster came to the board, at that point "just in case" it was needed. Now I definitely think it is needed! All I need is a name and address to send it to. All at the low, low price of ZERO. If poster is wary of providing personal info, I can send it to a work addy, relative, friend, wherever... I hate this freaking disease and any time I can stomp on it I take!

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    Quote Originally Posted by island rehabber View Post
    Folks, I still believe this is pox, which can be reversed when caught early -- like NOW. get hold of some acyclovir or Valtrex!

    It can take three weeks for pox to show on the others. Please don't waste time, for your squirrels' sake
    IR would you also treat the other baby that has been in with this baby with acyclovir?
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