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    Since there doesn't appear to be a lot to choose from in Greece, what about this? It's one of the few items available strictly for rats. Another one available uses chicken as a source of protein. Any thoughts?
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    So SquirrelRefuge.org provides this recipe that sounds pretty legit. At least starting out with this gives you some time to find a food that is available in Greece and can be ordered if it turns out it's not available in a store nearby:

    Preheat oven to 205o Fahrenheit (96 o Celsius). Prep time 25 Minutes, Bake time 90 Minutes

    3 cups nuts (300g)*
    1 3/4 Cups 100% Whey Protein Powder (Plain or vanilla)(150g) **
    3 Large Eggs (50g each, total 150g)
    2/3 Cup Whole Wheat Flour or ground rodent block (100g)
    2 tsp Vanilla
    2 tsp Aluminum-Free Baking Soda
    1-2 Tbs water
    Vitamins***
    Total food weight approximately 700 grams or .70 kilograms
    (Important for calculation vitamin and mineral supplementation)
    Notes:

    * Nuts without shells. Pecans, Walnuts and Hazelnuts (filberts) are generally preferred; however, Peanuts and Almonds may also be used for variety. Mixing Pecans and Walnuts with one of the other nuts ensures balanced Vitamin E.

    ** Pure Whey protein can comes as a concentrate, an isolate, or a combination of the two. Any formulation will work. Isolate is a more pure form than concentrate and has lower levels of lactose and fat; however, pure isolate can be more difficult to find, more expensive and result in a very high protein product. We use a combination of 80% concentrate/20% isolate that reduces the block’s protein level to a level closer to rodent block. We find the squirrels prefer the vanilla flavor.

    *** Calcium (3 grams (or 3000 mg) calcium without added Vitamin D, Magnesium 1 gram (or 1000 mg) ,50 IU Vitamin D3 (if no natural or full spectrum lighting provided a minimum of 20 minutes per day) Do not over supplement vitamin D. Serve with foods rich in Vitamins A, C, E & the B vitamins

    Squirrel block is higher in calories and fat and lower in carbohydrates than rodent block, but lower in fat and protein, and higher in carbohydrates then straight nuts. Squirrels cannot thrive on a diet of nuts, seeds and corn and are at much higher risk for serious illness, such as metabolic bone disease, when these make up the bulk of the diet.

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    Forgot to add that you should avoid Brazil nuts. Some people have reported health issues when feeding too many of these (I think it has something to do with the selenium content).

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    SquirrelRefuge.org is top notch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mel_la_fee View Post
    So SquirrelRefuge.org provides this recipe that sounds pretty legit. At least starting out with this gives you some time to find a food that is available in Greece and can be ordered if it turns out it's not available in a store nearby:

    Preheat oven to 205o Fahrenheit (96 o Celsius). Prep time 25 Minutes, Bake time 90 Minutes

    3 cups nuts (300g)*
    1 3/4 Cups 100% Whey Protein Powder (Plain or vanilla)(150g) **
    3 Large Eggs (50g each, total 150g)
    2/3 Cup Whole Wheat Flour or ground rodent block (100g)
    2 tsp Vanilla
    2 tsp Aluminum-Free Baking Soda
    1-2 Tbs water
    Vitamins***
    Total food weight approximately 700 grams or .70 kilograms
    (Important for calculation vitamin and mineral supplementation)
    Notes:

    * Nuts without shells. Pecans, Walnuts and Hazelnuts (filberts) are generally preferred; however, Peanuts and Almonds may also be used for variety. Mixing Pecans and Walnuts with one of the other nuts ensures balanced Vitamin E.

    ** Pure Whey protein can comes as a concentrate, an isolate, or a combination of the two. Any formulation will work. Isolate is a more pure form than concentrate and has lower levels of lactose and fat; however, pure isolate can be more difficult to find, more expensive and result in a very high protein product. We use a combination of 80% concentrate/20% isolate that reduces the block’s protein level to a level closer to rodent block. We find the squirrels prefer the vanilla flavor.

    *** Calcium (3 grams (or 3000 mg) calcium without added Vitamin D, Magnesium 1 gram (or 1000 mg) ,50 IU Vitamin D3 (if no natural or full spectrum lighting provided a minimum of 20 minutes per day) Do not over supplement vitamin D. Serve with foods rich in Vitamins A, C, E & the B vitamins

    Squirrel block is higher in calories and fat and lower in carbohydrates than rodent block, but lower in fat and protein, and higher in carbohydrates then straight nuts. Squirrels cannot thrive on a diet of nuts, seeds and corn and are at much higher risk for serious illness, such as metabolic bone disease, when these make up the bulk of the diet.
    I would go for this repice if icl could get those vitamins*** but from where?
    Thats my top problem i cant find a solution for that

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    Quote Originally Posted by mel_la_fee View Post
    Vitamins***

    *** Calcium (3 grams (or 3000 mg) calcium without added Vitamin D, Magnesium 1 gram (or 1000 mg) ,50 IU Vitamin D3 (if no natural or full spectrum lighting provided a minimum of 20 minutes per day) Do not over supplement vitamin D.
    In this formula, to "vitamins" are calcium, Magnesium and small amounts of Vitamin D3 (no need for vitamin D if they get decent sunlight daily). Not the VitaMin package from Henry's.

    The calcium and magnesium (and Vit D3) could be found here in a health food store of even a pharmacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spanky View Post
    In this formula, to "vitamins" are calcium, Magnesium and small amounts of Vitamin D3 (no need for vitamin D if they get decent sunlight daily). Not the VitaMin package from Henry's.

    The calcium and magnesium (and Vit D3) could be found here in a health food store of even a pharmacy.
    So let me get this right cuz will be a huge progress and helpful

    If i get this
    https://ibb.co/jrJtN7c

    This
    https://ibb.co/sJ0VYGJ

    And this
    https://ibb.co/YjBFF9W

    I am able to make the blocks with the correct measurs??

    I guy from here suggest me this https://ibb.co/rQcCXc0 cuz its they only i can possibly get from pet shops here and that i can make boo balls with that and gonna search for it tomorrow

    I also have some vitamin c for rodents in drops and i put in the water

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    Yes, No, Yes.

    The Calcium Citrate you posted has Vitamin D3 added.... it is a human form and as a "human" product in contains too much Vitamin D for your squirrel. Try to find some plain (no other ingredients) Calcium Citrate or Calcium Carbonate.

    The Oxbow Rat food is a good food for squirrels, but it would need to be about 75% or more of everything they eat. It would be okay to "freely feed" (be available all the time) the Oxbow and it would be wonderful if they actually would eat it.

    I feel like you are making good progress, I commend you for your tenaciousness to get them a proper diet !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spanky View Post
    Yes, No, Yes.

    The Calcium Citrate you posted has Vitamin D3 added.... it is a human form and as a "human" product in contains too much Vitamin D for your squirrel. Try to find some plain (no other ingredients) Calcium Citrate or Calcium Carbonate.

    The Oxbow Rat food is a good food for squirrels, but it would need to be about 75% or more of everything they eat. It would be okay to "freely feed" (be available all the time) the Oxbow and it would be wonderful if they actually would eat it.

    I feel like you are making good progress, I commend you for your tenaciousness to get them a proper diet !
    THANKS GOD FINALLY SOME PROGRESS!!!I AM VERY VERY HAPPY TO FINALLY HAVE SOMETHING TO BE SURE!!! I will try to find calcium carbonate without vitamin c or at least citrate.. would the drops be a problem?

    Ι propably can get this too
    https://ibb.co/Lxw5rvT

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napped View Post
    THANKS GOD FINALLY SOME PROGRESS!!!I AM VERY VERY HAPPY TO FINALLY HAVE SOMETHING TO BE SURE!!! I will try to find calcium carbonate without vitamin c or at least citrate.. would the drops be a problem?

    Ι propably can get this too
    https://ibb.co/Lxw5rvT

    Posting a picture of the vitamin c drops product would be helpful to get guidance.

    This Calcium Citrate without Vit D3 would work for the rodent block recipe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spanky View Post

    Posting a picture of the vitamin c drops product would be helpful to get guidance.

    This Calcium Citrate without Vit D3 would work for the rodent block recipe.
    Here

    https://ibb.co/2hrncrz

    https://ibb.co/JrMczmT

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    Update for oxbow
    So my bad luck continues as ADULT RAT ITS THEY ONLY THAT THEY DONT BRING IN GREECE(cuz ppl dont buy it) They bring guineas big chinchila and rabbit petshops saw me the portfolio of the company and they cant order it...i am searhcing for a online order now for it..

    I decide that i will force give her water today so she dont dyhadrate at least..last night she just take 2 tiny bites from a apple but i cant know if she drunk any water...also she propably have mbd regardless she doesnt show symptoms cuz her diet in pet shop was terrible..

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    Can you order from Amazon?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charley Chuckles View Post
    Can you order from Amazon?
    No cuz greece isnt in delivery options for oxbow on amazon BUT only 1 guy from 10 pet stores i talk for it told me he spoke with his dealer and he will have it in 2 days but i am not sure cuz in another pet store that a guy worked for oxbow here in greecee told me that they wont bring it so i have my fingers crosed for that 1 guy..

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    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075H349QL..._1UFAFbEZTV0TC
    Not sure you can get this, but this is what I use.
    I sometimes crush it up add a little baby food in a jar like apple, form in small balls freeze them and give, mine seem to like it that way.
    If they take them right from the bag that's great too, but when they get tired of that I give the frozzen treats😉
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spanky View Post

    Posting a picture of the vitamin c drops product would be helpful to get guidance.

    This Calcium Citrate without Vit D3 would work for the rodent block recipe.
    Quote Originally Posted by Napped View Post
    No cuz greece isnt in delivery options for oxbow on amazon BUT only 1 guy from 10 pet stores i talk for it told me he spoke with his dealer and he will have it in 2 days but i am not sure cuz in another pet store that a guy worked for oxbow here in greecee told me that they wont bring it so i have my fingers crosed for that 1 guy..
    Have you ever ordered through ubuy? I'm not real familiar with it but see that they have it for different countries including Greece. Here is a link for Teklad rodent blocks. They also have Mazuri and some Oxbow, but I didn't go through all the search results.
    https://www.ubuy.com.gr/en/search/in...18/store/store

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyCatLady View Post
    Have you ever ordered through ubuy? I'm not real familiar with it but see that they have it for different countries including Greece. Here is a link for Teklad rodent blocks. They also have Mazuri and some Oxbow, but I didn't go through all the search results.
    https://www.ubuy.com.gr/en/search/in...18/store/store
    I think that yeah i can order it from there but right now doesnt have that much in my card cuz it doubles the money value(weight + sone extras) and goes from 27 to 62 € for 5lb and doesnt have less than 5lb.GOD BLESS YOU THAT YOU PROVIDE ME THIS LINK.
    if that guy that told me he will get the oxbow doesnt bring it i will order the teklab from here.
    They also have the oxbow too
    The meanwile progress was that i give her some water with a syringe to avoid dehydration (water i little honey and a very little amount of salt )also she take a tiny bite of melon from my hand but she havent touch the bowl with her food.
    She is not aggresive at all.
    As it seems she can walk,crawl,cratch with ease if she want to but she mostly dont ,she pick a corner and lay.

    I will update if something happen and the progress we doing and specialy when the food arive.
    If anyone have any other idea please share

    Crazycatlady I own you a big THANKS for helping me so.much AND OF COURSE TO ALL OTHER PEOPLE HERE THAT POST AND SHARE THEIR WISDOM WITH ME AND CARE
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    What do you guys think for my cages ?
    I build the big one my own for the couple of himalayans now only kodi(the male)take advantage of it as the first female is not with us anymore..
    in a few days the new female arives..
    Any suggest how i must introduce each other so they not have problem to live together happy?
    I have a bird cage that i can out inside the large one so they can smell each other and be familiar with


    https://ibb.co/S7qZYsP

    And one with kodi out of nest

    https://ibb.co/WykFk5n

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    Keeping my fingers crossed the pet store can get supplies for you.
    Yes introduce separate cages so they get to know each other.
    They may want their own sleeping quarters, mine do😉
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    If you search through the ubuy website, some stuff is listed more than once and one of the foods I mentioned comes in a 2 lb. size. I can message you the links.

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