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    Ok so i cover the cage and leave 1/2 of the front side put her both bowl and bottle of water and a mix of defferent nuts almongs peanuts seeds dehydrated fruits i will leave her for today to see if she will calm at least a bit..i only want her not to get sick or die and its not about the money i spent for here i rly love squirrels..if you see above i have a himalayan striped male i bought a female for him to make a couple and in the 20th day she just pass out in the night...woke up in the morning and found her in the nest not having any injury from tha male.. never saw something worry she was full of energy and curiosity but all of suden...so i dont want to lose her too ..i expect anither female himalayan from the pet shop i got here cuz was differnt from the male one.i called them and tell them what happend and they told me they would replace her with no charge and i waitng her in the end of september.
    You have to get them on a healthy diet. Nuts and seeds are SUPER unhealthy. They have a high amount of phosphorus in them. The body has a delicate balance between calcium and phosphorus. If high phosphorus foods are fed, the body will pull calcium from the bones to achieve the balance. This is what causes Metabolic Bone Disease. In the later stages of MBD, squirrels become paralyzed in the hind legs and will start having seizures. Death follows. Nuts should only be given as a treat... one per day. Here is a link to the healthy diet. https://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/...-Pet-Squirrels

    I know you canít get Henryís block but maybe you can get a rodent (rat) block at a pet store. Get the type for rats. It will look like an extruded brown/tan block. Donít get other type rodent food that looks like a seed/nut mix. You will probably have to use it as a base to make a palatable block. Some crush the blocks and add Apple baby food, avocado, peanut butter, etc. The goal is to find a mix they will eat yet maintain the nutrients of the block.

    You will have a hard time getting them to eat healthy because the Ďjunkí food tastes better. They will hold out for nuts but their life depends on getting them on a healthy diet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HRT4SQRLS View Post
    You have to get them on a healthy diet. Nuts and seeds are SUPER unhealthy. They have a high amount of phosphorus in them. The body has a delicate balance between calcium and phosphorus. If high phosphorus foods are fed, the body will pull calcium from the bones to achieve the balance. This is what causes Metabolic Bone Disease. In the later stages of MBD, squirrels become paralyzed in the hind legs and will start having seizures. Death follows. Nuts should only be given as a treat... one per day. Here is a link to the healthy diet. https://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/...-Pet-Squirrels

    I know you can’t get Henry’s block but maybe you can get a rodent (rat) block at a pet store. Get the type for rats. It will look like an extruded brown/tan block. Don’t get other type rodent food that looks like a seed/nut mix. You will probably have to use it as a base to make a palatable block. Some crush the blocks and add Apple baby food, avocado, peanut butter, etc. The goal is to find a mix they will eat yet maintain the nutrients of the block.

    You will have a hard time getting them to eat healthy because the ‘junk’ food tastes better. They will hold out for nuts but their life depends on getting them on a healthy diet.
    When the male start to cant walk well with his back feet i rearch for the mbd and what to do i bought calcium carbonate in piles powder them and put them in his food also got vitame d in liguid for rodents from pet store and put to his water and i search for the closest thing to a henrys block in pet store in my country the best (from the ingridents)was rodent pelet style food and i bought the highest calcium one after all that he seems pretty better.before coudnt walk straight and now climbing and jump easy also he eat and drink more. To him i give like a grape or a slice of fruit in night before sleep like a treat..now i am rly worry for the female..

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    Is possible that she want to hibernation?

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    Iím not familiar with Caucasian squirrels. When I looked it up I saw that Caucasian squirrels are ground squirrels. I really donít know a thing about ground squirrels. I might be mistaken but I think ground squirrel do hibernate.

    I wouldnít rule out the other issues we talked about. Stress and diet.

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    I’m not familiar with Caucasian squirrels. When I looked it up I saw that Caucasian squirrels are ground squirrels. I really don’t know a thing about ground squirrels. I might be mistaken but I think ground squirrel do hibernate.

    I wouldn’t rule out the other issues we talked about. Stress and diet.
    In the first day i got her (from my exitement) i take her to my bed to cudle and i think that after some minutes of pet her as smoother as i could i think she relax a little..do you suggest that for a little betwen the day or let her to be confutable in the cage and room first?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napped View Post
    In the first day i got her (from my exitement) i take her to my bed to cudle and i think that after some minutes of pet her as smoother as i could i think she relax a little..do you suggest that for a little betwen the day or let her to be confutable in the cage and room first?
    I think if cuddling with her seems to relax her there is nothing wrong with that. Maybe your company gives her comfort and you could offer her some fruit while cuddling with her. There have been times when my boy would only eat from my fingers and not his dish.

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    Does any of these provides enough minerals and nutriciens for a healthy diet of a suirrel?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Napped View Post
    In the first day i got her (from my exitement) i take her to my bed to cudle and i think that after some minutes of pet her as smoother as i could i think she relax a little..do you suggest that for a little betwen the day or let her to be confutable in the cage and room first?
    That's pretty great she let you cuddle with her on the first day you got her
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    Hi HRT, I looked up Caucasian Squirrel and it seems like it is a tree squirrel? It seems to most closely resemble a larger version of our American Red squirrel?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_squirrel

    https://animaldiversity.org/accounts/Sciurus_anomalus/

    https://arasbaran.org/en/news.cfm?id=483




    Quote Originally Posted by HRT4SQRLS View Post
    Iím not familiar with Caucasian squirrels. When I looked it up I saw that Caucasian squirrels are ground squirrels. I really donít know a thing about ground squirrels. I might be mistaken but I think ground squirrel do hibernate.

    I wouldnít rule out the other issues we talked about. Stress and diet.
    See my wild squirrel adventures in the thread "Squirtle's yard!":
    https://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/...quirtle-s-Yard!

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    Assuming your Caucasian squirrel is similar to our Red squirrel, I don't think that food will be correct. The protein level (18%) is correct but it has much more grass type ingredients which would be better suited to a rabbit. You can make some squirrel rodent block from raw ingredients:

    This formula is curtesy of Henrys Healthy Pet Formula

    Dry ingredients:
    80 g Pure Whey Protein Isolate for adult formula (for growth formula, use 160 g).
    130 g finely ground nuts (any kind; peanuts, pecans, or almonds work well)
    1/3 cup wheat flour (optional)
    1 tsp aluminum-free baking powder
    1 package (45 g) Henry's Healthy Vita-Mins*

    Wet ingredients:
    1 whole egg
    1 tsp vanilla or almond extract (optional)
    1/2 cup water, or a little more, as needed (this is for growth formula only; do not add water to the adult formula unless the dough is too dry when mixed)

    Instructions:
    Place dry ingredients in a large bowl and mix well.

    Add all the wet ingredients to the dry ingredients and mix with a fork until dough sticks together. It will be fairly dry, like pie crust dough. Wearing gloves or with your bare hands (oiled), press the dough down and then start to knead it. Once the dough forms a ball, place it onto a lightly greased surface and knead a few more times until smooth and uniform in color. Roll dough out into a roll or flatten into a square, and place on a lightly greased baking sheet. Bake for 1 1/2 hours. While still warm, cut into 60 pieces with a sharp knife

    Allow the blocks to cool for at least 2 hours. Then place in zip-lock bags and store them in the fridge or freezer. They will keep in the fridge for several weeks. They will keep in the freezer for several months (unopened and with as much air as possible removed from the bag before sealing). Some squirrels enjoy eating them cold or frozen, but you can also put a cold block into the microwave for about 5-10 seconds to warm it up.

    Feed 2-3 per day for a 1-pound (453 g) squirrel. Different squirrels will have different energy requirements.

    *If you want to make your own vitamin/mineral premix, please consult the Nutrient Requirements of Laboratory Animals-Rats, or one of the standard nutrient profiles for rats, such as those used in commercial rodent blocks.

    Copyright 2009 Henry's Healthy Pet Foods, Inc.



    Quote Originally Posted by Napped View Post
    Does any of these provides enough minerals and nutriciens for a healthy diet of a suirrel?


    https://ibb.co/hfNr1Dv


    https://ibb.co/JqTQBr6


    https://ibb.co/jRZP3BD


    https://ibb.co/KXtJxsW
    See my wild squirrel adventures in the thread "Squirtle's yard!":
    https://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/...quirtle-s-Yard!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TubeDriver View Post
    Assuming your Caucasian squirrel is similar to our Red squirrel, I don't think that food will be correct. The protein level (18%) is correct but it has much more grass type ingredients which would be better suited to a rabbit. You can make some squirrel rodent block from raw ingredients:

    This formula is curtesy of Henrys Healthy Pet Formula

    Dry ingredients:
    80 g Pure Whey Protein Isolate for adult formula (for growth formula, use 160 g).
    130 g finely ground nuts (any kind; peanuts, pecans, or almonds work well)
    1/3 cup wheat flour (optional)
    1 tsp aluminum-free baking powder
    1 package (45 g) Henry's Healthy Vita-Mins*

    Wet ingredients:
    1 whole egg
    1 tsp vanilla or almond extract (optional)
    1/2 cup water, or a little more, as needed (this is for growth formula only; do not add water to the adult formula unless the dough is too dry when mixed)

    Instructions:
    Place dry ingredients in a large bowl and mix well.

    Add all the wet ingredients to the dry ingredients and mix with a fork until dough sticks together. It will be fairly dry, like pie crust dough. Wearing gloves or with your bare hands (oiled), press the dough down and then start to knead it. Once the dough forms a ball, place it onto a lightly greased surface and knead a few more times until smooth and uniform in color. Roll dough out into a roll or flatten into a square, and place on a lightly greased baking sheet. Bake for 1 1/2 hours. While still warm, cut into 60 pieces with a sharp knife

    Allow the blocks to cool for at least 2 hours. Then place in zip-lock bags and store them in the fridge or freezer. They will keep in the fridge for several weeks. They will keep in the freezer for several months (unopened and with as much air as possible removed from the bag before sealing). Some squirrels enjoy eating them cold or frozen, but you can also put a cold block into the microwave for about 5-10 seconds to warm it up.

    Feed 2-3 per day for a 1-pound (453 g) squirrel. Different squirrels will have different energy requirements.

    *If you want to make your own vitamin/mineral premix, please consult the Nutrient Requirements of Laboratory Animals-Rats, or one of the standard nutrient profiles for rats, such as those used in commercial rodent blocks.

    Copyright 2009 Henry's Healthy Pet Foods, Inc.
    I have seen all these recipes for homemade blocks the problem is that here in greece i cant order nether from henrys(blocks and vitamins powder) and fox valley formulas..i dont know i i can go to a pharmasy for human and buy pure calcium carbinate,pure phosphorus,etc and mesuring them to the correct mg will be fine?like to make a perfect copy of henryw vitamins powder

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    Is it possible to make this my own?
    Or any big company like oxbow that has a decent squirrel food bag that provide the nessecery to search in my country?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napped View Post
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    Is it possible to make this my own?
    I would not try to make your own vitamin powder. In my opinion there are too many ways for that to go wrong. You might end up killing her.

    I think if you feed her a variety of healthy human food items and are able to take her outside in her cage for some sunshine I think she can be plenty healthy. It is important that you only take her outside when she is in the cage or you may loose her and I don't know if where you live will be a safe environment for her. That depends on where you live.

    Whole milk, plain (no sugar added, no fruit added) Greek yogurt is a good substitute for formula. She will get calcium and plenty of calories.

    I know grey squirrels love avocado.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock Monkey View Post
    I would not try to make your own vitamin powder. In my opinion there are too many ways for that to go wrong. You might end up killing her.

    I think if you feed her a variety of healthy human food items and are able to take her outside in her cage for some sunshine I think she can be plenty healthy. It is important that you only take her outside when she is in the cage or you may loose her and I don't know if where you live will be a safe environment for her. That depends on where you live.

    Whole milk, plain (no sugar added, no fruit added) Greek yogurt is a good substitute for formula. She will get calcium and plenty of calories.

    I know grey squirrels love avocado.
    Human food like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock Monkey View Post
    Whole milk, plain (no sugar added, no fruit added) Greek yogurt is a good substitute for formula.

    I disagree that this is anything near a good substitute to a squirrel appropriate formula FWIW.

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    I am wondering if Zupreem Primate Block might be available in Greece? This is a decent block to use for squirrels... here is a link to their page. There is customer care email address that maybe you could inquire as to availability in Greece?

    https://zupreem.com/zoo-animals/primate-diet-dry/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spanky View Post
    I am wondering if Zupreem Primate Block might be available in Greece? This is a decent block to use for squirrels... here is a link to their page. There is customer care email address that maybe you could inquire as to availability in Greece?

    https://zupreem.com/zoo-animals/primate-diet-dry/
    Do you have any suggest in vitakraft?i find this company a lot in pet stores here
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spanky View Post

    I disagree that this is anything near a good substitute to a squirrel appropriate formula FWIW.
    To clarify, if he can't get a healthy, squirrel appropriate formula the Greek Yogurt would be better than nothing. That's all I was trying to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napped View Post
    Human food like?
    https://www.henryspets.com/healthy-d...pet-squirrels/

    This list is a good place to start. Try some items and see what she likes.

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