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    Exclamation WARNING DO NOT FEED Fox Valley 32/40 to pinkies

    3 years ago, a discussion was started about pinkies not digesting Fox Valley 32/40 formula.
    Seasoned rehabbers were losing babies, from undigested formula that sat in the babies tummies
    like cement, with the milk line never disappearing.

    I won't rehash the nightmares this caused.

    Most people have since switched over to Powdered Puppy Esbilac for babies under 4 weeks
    and some have continued with just the Esbilac until the squirrel is weaned.

    This is just a reminder that Fox Valley 32/40 kills many/most pinkies, they cannot digest it.

    We've been complacent about alerting members of this, thinking that most already knew.
    I believe that after 3 years some felt the problem was rectified, (AS IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN!!!!)
    because we don't bring it up.

    However, in the past 3 years we have NOT recommended it to ANY new member, and this needs to be
    mentioned again as a reminder.

    This just happened again to a seasoned rehabber. She fed Fox Valley 32/40 and it sat like cement.
    Three of the babies have died.
    http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/s...ks-please-read

    Discussion from 8/2013

    http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/s...ght=Fox+Valley


    IF you have already fed this, a long time member has come up with this protocol below that has helped save his babies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Duckman View Post
    The trick for me seemed to be getting in as much water, as quickly as possible, once you see and feel the hardness in the belly. Not sugar water or Pedilyte, but plain water. I did this every hour (giving about .2-.3 ml) and ensure you stimulate after each, for 2 reasons. 1. You have to get that water out of the bladder, and it will burst if you don't. 2. You want that water to start working on the crud in the belly. After 8-10 hours, you should start seeing some movement out of the bowel (they will continue to poop, but you will start to see it more watery, which is what you want). At that time, start introducing diluted formula at the ratio of 25% Esbilac, 75% water. Feed this for the first half day. The second half day, I bumped up the ration to 50/50. I fed this for a day and then went to 75% Esbilac, 25% water and introduced full food the next day (and the blockage was gone!). So far, I am at 100% success rate. One note though. I check my pinkies after every feeding, so see if their bellies are hard or squishy. I would suggest everyone get in the habit of checking them after every feeding as habit and you can't go wrong in catching them before they bloat up. Once they take on that angry red color on their bellies (this is when their system goes septic), they are gone and can't be saved, so the trick is to catch them before this happens (hence, getting in the habit to see if their tummies are hard or not).
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    Default Re: WARNING DO NOT FEED Fox Valley 32/40 to pinkies

    Are there still problems with the fox valley 32/40? I know the center I volunteer for swear by it and said that I was feeding the wrong formula when I fed one the esbilac goats milk for puppies. The only problem I saw with my baby was hard stool. When switched to the fox valley 20/50 the hard stool did resolve. I will be rehabbing in the fall and want to feed the best thing with the least risk of course. As for checking bellies after each feed for pinkies, it is a really great idea. I was a nicu nurse and we did the same on our preemies because they are so small and immature that gut issues was the main problem after the lungs are stabilized.

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    Default Re: WARNING DO NOT FEED Fox Valley 32/40 to pinkies

    Yes, it has not been resolved. DO NOT feed Fox Valley 32/40 at all!

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    Default Re: WARNING DO NOT FEED Fox Valley 32/40 to pinkies

    This has worked beautifully for me for the past three seasons, now:

    1day - eyes opened...........Esbilac Powder with Probiotics
    If weight gain is not optimal, add FV Ultra Boost

    Eyes opened until release: Fox Valley 20/50
    If weight gain is not optimal, add FV Ultra Boost

    No 32/40, ever. At least, not in ANY eyes-closed baby squirrel.
    I will add that, coincidentally, poops have been amazingly normal for all babies, all three seasons. Could be good luck. Could be the formulas.
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    Default Re: WARNING DO NOT FEED Fox Valley 32/40 to pinkies

    It's interesting that Fox Valley would still advertise that this is the correct formula to feed under 4wks. If I hadn't found the Squirrel Board BEFORE I found Fox valley, I would have been in the sSo glad this was posted! Has anybody reached out to Fox Valley about this? ( I imagine yes, as it looks like this is a long standing issue)

    Thanks !

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    Default Re: WARNING DO NOT FEED Fox Valley 32/40 to pinkies

    Quote Originally Posted by Azure15 View Post
    It's interesting that Fox Valley would still advertise that this is the correct formula to feed under 4wks. If I hadn't found the Squirrel Board BEFORE I found Fox valley, I would have been in the sSo glad this was posted! Has anybody reached out to Fox Valley about this? ( I imagine yes, as it looks like this is a long standing issue)

    Thanks !
    Yes, *sigh* about 4,589 times at last count. Unfortunately the very sweet but somewhat clueless owner of Fox Valley does not believe there is anything wrong with the formula. He tends to blame rehabbers themselves -- telling us we are not "mixing properly" or we should "dilute it with more water". Of course, that deprives newborn creatures of nutrients and no rehabber with half a brain stem would do such a thing. Most of us have given up.
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    Default Re: WARNING DO NOT FEED Fox Valley 32/40 to pinkies

    Does anyone know where the issue is in the FV formula? to recommend how to fix it?

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