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    Default Bloated and/or constipated 12d baby, followed the steps here, but is still bloated.

    Hi,

    First, this board has been a godsend. Thank you all for posting so much great stuff. We have brought back these abandoned babies from deaths door because of it.

    We are following the 5 percent/bodyweight rule for food serving size and are feeding the babies esbilac / heavy cream after rehydrating them with pedialyte. We started with 4 parts water, 1 part esbilac, 1 part hwc, as they were on pedialyte only for the first day as we rehydrated. Once they turned from sullen gray and dried up, to healthy, pink and energetic we moved them on to the formula mixture every other time (rotating formula and fluids each time so they stay hydrated). That went great and the babies made huge progress in the first 48 hours.

    This morning, once we were sure they were processing formula without issues, we moved them to 3 parts water, 1 part hwc, 1 part esbilac per guidelines we found. The smaller female seemed to bloat up and or constipate. She was like this for about 12 hours during which we gave her just a few drops of fluid to keep her mouth moist while we researched and followed the below steps. We have not fed her more formula since this morning, 12 hours ago.

    1. 1 small drop Vegetable oil rubbed softly into her bottom area to soften her up.
    *No results noted yet
    2. warm bath up to elbows combined with soft massage on her tummy and sides, which she seemed to enjoy and it relaxed her (I studied massage in general for years so am careful and aware of the delicate nature).
    *This resulted in a tiny dropping about .5mm in diamter and about as long as a normal grain of white rice. Super excited to see that. Bloating looked the same.
    3. two drops baby simethicone to relieve possible gas.
    *This resulted in perhaps 10 percent decrease in bloating up top or in general.
    4. one small drop olive oil to help get things moving.
    *No results noted.
    5. repeated step 1 and 2 with the oil and bath four more times.
    *No results noted these times, but it is impossible to tell if she peed in the bath. I will weigh her before and after next time.
    6. gave her 1 more tiny drop of baby simethicone five hours after first dose.
    7. gave one more drop of olive oil


    Current condition:
    a. She is still looking bloated.
    b. is still energetic and feisty, kicks and moves a lot when put in the bath, and does not seem uncomfortable.
    c. her vagina area is a tiny bit red from the day of attempting to get her to pee with the warm wet soft tissue
    d. she keeps wanting food and trying to suckle when giving her bath.


    Next steps:
    1. More bath/massage
    2. We are going to try a tiny bit of apple/prune juice with a 2 parts water, 1 part apple, 1 part prune mixture as a laxative. We do not want to put too much pressure so will just start with a few drops.

    Outside of this we are not sure what to do.

    Questions:

    How long does it take for bloating to go away?

    What else can we do?

    Any other input?

    Thank you so much.

    Here is a pic of her tummy if you find this helpful. I saw other threads with members asking for pics so I took these.

    https://imgur.com/Tl2nGzb,Ph2iNjA

    and another

    https://imgur.com/Tl2nGzb,Ph2iNjA#1


    K and J

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    Default Re: Bloated and/or constipated 12d baby, followed the steps here, but is still bloat

    Updating the latest steps taken since the above steps completed two hours ago.

    We have continued and completed the following.

    8. three more warm water baths in the past two hours, each about 15 min long.
    9. gave two more drops baby simethacone (will stop here with this as that drug always upset my stomach)
    10. three further attempts to stimulate
    11. drop vegetable oil on bottom to keep moist
    12. about 10-15 more drops apple/prune/water concoction as spelled out in prior post.

    Baby is further dehydrated but still wiggling all over during the baths. No further stool or urine passed that we can tell.

    Baby is now 14 hours since last feeding and still puffy. Tummy is not rock hard btw...still a little squishy, but definitely not completely taught.

    Any input would be beyond appreciated.

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    Default Re: Bloated and/or constipated 12d baby, followed the steps here, but is still bloat

    Hopefully someone will be on soon to help you with more experience.

    I do not think pinkies are supposed to fed the heavy whipping cream. The esbliac with probiotcs is all you need. And I think you have been adding too much whipping cream that is why they are bloated
    hopefully someone will be on here soon to help you get these little ones straightened out.

    The esbliac formula I have is ( I am thinking this is the old formula recipe before the new esbliac with probiotcs came out) if you are using esbliac with probotics I don't think you need the yogurt or the whipping cream.

    2 parts water
    1 part esbliac powder
    1/4 part yogurt
    1/4 part heavy whipping cream

    Not an expert but I think the whipping cream is more than likely your problem.

    Hoping someone soon can help you fixing these little babies.
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    Default Re: Bloated and/or constipated 12d baby, followed the steps here, but is still bloat

    If it were me, I would forgo the whipping cream. If they are greys, I would just stick to straight Esbilac and water. How much does she weigh? Can you post a pic? How old are they exactly?

    If she is dehydrated that will further slow down her digestion. Are you orally hydrating Her to help with digestion ir subQIng her?

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    Default Re: Bloated and/or constipated 12d baby, followed the steps here, but is still bloat

    Pics are in the 1st post.

    They have not anything eat or drink in a long time.

    Can't feed a bloated baby - can you?
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    Default Re: Bloated and/or constipated 12d baby, followed the steps here, but is still bloat

    Thank you.

    Here are a couple recent pics.

    We did another 30 min of warm bath. No luck.

    We give a little tiny bit of fluids, most recently about 10-15 drops of apple/prune/water as outlined above. We are trying to not exasperate the situation by filling her up to overflow levels.

    Her little girl parts are getting a bit irritated from the minutes of light dabbing with soft warm wet tissue. We have stopped doing that and are now massaging around her parts and doing the dabbing at her bottom. No luck yet.

    https://imgur.com/iUU8wye,c1flLWr

    https://imgur.com/iUU8wye,c1flLWr#1

    The other baby has had no issues with the mixture of whipping cream and esbilac. We have been 4 parts water and today 3 parts water, so it's pretty diluted.

    Off to get the hairball stuff mentioned here in wild mammal babies the first 48 hours: http://nmognoni.smugmug.com/Other/TS...qZ/i-ZfHt4Nt/A

    She wants more food still..and keeps making feed me face. We must not feed or hydrate if she's bloaty or constipated right?

    Her belly is not super hard to touch..between squishy and hard we think...but we worry giving her more stuff will make it worse. However she's getting more dehydrated (the pinch test shows dehydration) and her energy is a bit less, but not terrible. She's still kicking around and moving, and quite strong.

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    Default Re: Bloated and/or constipated 12d baby, followed the steps here, but is still bloat

    When I have had trouble with one not pooping.

    I have taken my kitchen sprayer with warm water and spray their belly and privates. I wrap in a small piece of fleece and be very careful not to get the water on their face especially the mouth and nose. Always making sure baby is kept warm.

    You can put neosporin or Vaseline on her privates. Some use a paint brush dipped in warm water on there babies to pee and poop. I have tried this also and it worked great.
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    Default Re: Bloated and/or constipated 12d baby, followed the steps here, but is still bloat

    I agree the "additions" in the formula caused this, don't even understand why you would dilute the formula but then add other things to it. The nutrition in the formula is needed much more then additional fat the additives put in.

    That bloat is at a dangerous level for that baby and your right, you should not feed a bloated baby anything until it has resided.
    When your doing the warm water soaks, are you massaging baby from the arm pits down both sides to try to get things moving?

    I hope something happens in that department soon, I can't express it enough how serious this is for a pink...
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    Hi,

    First, I have moved to this section as I keep reading bloat can be fatal. We have been diligent in researching the threads here and following instructions. We are now stuck. We need and will appreciate input and are not sure what else we can do.

    Second, this board has been a godsend. Thank you all for posting so much great stuff. We have brought back these abandoned babies from deaths door because of it.

    Info:
    The babies are about 10-12 weeks and 29-30 grams.

    We are following the 5 percent/bodyweight rule for food serving size and are feeding the babies esbilac / heavy cream after rehydrating them with pedialyte. We started with 4 parts water, 1 part esbilac, 1 part hwc, as they were on pedialyte only for the first day as we rehydrated. Once they turned from sullen gray and dried up, to healthy, pink and energetic we moved them on to the formula mixture every other time (rotating formula and fluids each time so they stay hydrated). That went great and the babies made huge progress in the first 48 hours.

    This morning, once we were sure they were processing formula without issues, we moved them to 3 parts water, 1 part hwc, 1 part esbilac per guidelines we found. The smaller female seemed to bloat up and or constipate. She was like this for about 12 hours during which we gave her just a few drops of fluid to keep her mouth moist while we researched and followed the below steps. We have not fed her more formula since this morning, 12 hours ago.

    1. 1 small drop Vegetable oil rubbed softly into her bottom area to soften her up.
    *No results noted yet
    2. warm bath up to elbows combined with soft massage on her tummy and sides, which she seemed to enjoy and it relaxed her (I studied massage in general for years so am careful and aware of the delicate nature).
    *This resulted in a tiny dropping about .5mm in diamter and about as long as a normal grain of white rice. Super excited to see that. Bloating looked the same.
    3. two drops baby simethicone to relieve possible gas.
    *This resulted in perhaps 10 percent decrease in bloating up top or in general.
    4. one small drop olive oil to help get things moving.
    *No results noted.
    5. repeated step 1 and 2 with the oil and bath four more times.
    *No results noted these times, but it is impossible to tell if she peed in the bath. I will weigh her before and after next time.
    6. gave her 1 more tiny drop of baby simethicone five hours after first dose.
    7. gave one more drop of olive oil
    Updating the latest steps taken since the above steps completed two hours ago.

    We have continued and completed the following.

    8. three more warm water baths in the past two hours, each about 15 min long.
    9. gave two more drops baby simethacone (will stop here with this as that drug always upset my stomach)
    10. three further attempts to stimulate
    11. drop vegetable oil on bottom to keep moist
    12. about 10-15 more drops apple/prune/water concoction as spelled out in prior post.

    Baby is further dehydrated but still wiggling all over during the baths. No further stool or urine passed that we can tell.

    Baby is now 14 hours since last feeding and still puffy. Tummy is not rock hard btw...still a little squishy, but definitely not completely taught.


    Current condition:
    a. She is still looking bloated.
    b. is still energetic and feisty, kicks and moves a lot when put in the bath, and does not seem uncomfortable.
    c. her vagina area is a tiny bit red from the day of attempting to get her to pee with the warm wet soft tissue
    d. she keeps wanting food and trying to suckle when giving her bath.


    Next steps:

    Outside of the above we are not sure what to do, but try the laxitone or laculose products mentioned in the other threads.

    Questions:

    How long does it take for bloating to reside?

    What else can we do?

    How long can she go without feeding when in this state? (we stopped feeding her as soon as we saw she was plugged up and have given only limited liquids as to not overfill her)

    Any other input?

    Thank you so much.

    Here is a pic of her tummy if you find this helpful. I saw other threads with members asking for pics so I took these.

    https://imgur.com/Tl2nGzb,Ph2iNjA

    and another

    https://imgur.com/Tl2nGzb,Ph2iNjA#1



    K and J

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    Default Re: bloat/constipation? Can anything else be done? These are the steps taken so far.

    Thank you.

    Here are a couple recent pics.

    We did another 30 min of warm bath. No luck.

    We give a little tiny bit of fluids, most recently about 10-15 drops of apple/prune/water as outlined above. We are trying to not exasperate the situation by filling her up to overflow levels.

    Her little girl parts are getting a bit irritated from the minutes of light dabbing with soft warm wet tissue. We have stopped doing that and are now massaging around her parts and doing the dabbing at her bottom. No luck yet.

    https://imgur.com/iUU8wye,c1flLWr

    https://imgur.com/iUU8wye,c1flLWr#1

    The other baby has had no issues with the mixture of whipping cream and esbilac. We have been 4 parts water and today 3 parts water, so it's pretty diluted.

    Off to get the hairball stuff mentioned here in wild mammal babies the first 48 hours: http://nmognoni.smugmug.com/Other/TS...qZ/i-ZfHt4Nt/A

    She wants more food still..and keeps making feed me face. We must not feed or hydrate if she's bloaty or constipated right?

    Her belly is not super hard to touch..between squishy and hard we think...but we worry giving her more stuff will make it worse. However she's getting more dehydrated (the pinch test shows dehydration) and her energy is a bit less, but not terrible. She's still kicking around and moving, and quite strong.

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