Pigeon/bird injured

[Fireweed]

Astra, you can do this. It's scary as heck the first time you handle a bird (or any animal you haven't handled before). But you are extremely sensitive and you will handle him naturally the first time better than most.

Hoping his injuries aren't too bad.

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

Thanks for rescuing Astra! Invasive viruses are a concern in Pigeons but not common for human contamination. Vets usually want NO wildlife as many viruses are contagious to domestics such as Chickens. Like the biggest carrier of avian pox is sweet little finches that can destroy Chickenfarms. So I wouldn't worry. Vets just have to be super careful. (in fact my vet is the only one in 100 miles that will take in any wildlife - she loves all creatures)
Be brave. I take in many many homing pigeons during race season and get them healthy and set them toward their homes - I love pigeons!!!

[Baxied]

Astra, I am praying for you and your rescue.

[psychobird]

oh that's crazy what the vets said, pigeons are no more prone to anything than any other wild bird and your much less able to catch anything they have because your a MAMMAL!
birds have a much higher temp than most mammals, the reason birds don't get rabies!
just don't put poop in your mouth! which i hope you wouldn't do anyways
common sense hygeine, really, they just are un informed
my hands are to little to hold nancy;s way, lol, i gotta use a towel
i will copy the link to this page and post for you on pt

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

Oh I hope he's ok. Pigeons are my favorite. You go Astra!! Yea, I get so many folks getting weird about birds. Don't eat the poop LOL!! exactly.
Psychobird - I have to be sure to mark your page for my bird guidance!!! Does this bird have a name???

[psychobird]

oh and you might want to use a deeper dish, they drink differently than other birds, kind of use their beaks like a straw, make sure water is at least an inch deep

[psychobird]

pji's are def one of my favorites too, i allready made the wish mistake this year wishing for babies, probably gonna get a hundred and be kicking my self in the butt for making the wish mistake

[psychobird]

i'm orignally from minnesota too nancy, musta been sumthin in the water

[psychobird]

gonna post some links to rehabbers that may be close to you, i love it when someone brings me a piji and are willing to keep them as a pet if they can't be released, just make sure you ask first

http://www.mary.cc/rehabbersoutsideus.html






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What you should do if you find a sick, injured or orphaned wild animal


Wildlife belongs in the wild. Occasionally, people will find juvenile wildlife that appears to be orphaned, sick or injured. The public should avoid handling wildlife to prevent bites and scratches. Some species can carry diseases and parasites that are harmful to humans. Injured wildlife also requires specialized and immediate care to recover and return to the wild. Under the Ontario Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act, a person may only keep wildlife for 24 hours to transport it to a wildlife custodian for care or medical attention or to relocate it following capture as a problem animal.

Juvenile wild animals do not make good pets because they become difficult to handle as they grow. Once used to humans, released animals are not likely to survive in the wild because they do not have the necessary skills to stay alive. They may also be attracted to people, leading to their eventual death. Wild animals can also be attracted to properties that provide shelter and/or food, resulting in conflict and property damage.

Orphaned Wildlife

Just because a young animal is alone does not mean it is orphaned. It is normal for some species to leave their offspring temporarily alone, especially during the day. For example, deer and cottontail rabbits spend much of the day away from their well-camouflaged offspring to minimize the chance of predators finding them.

An exception would be the Virginia opossum, which spend the first three months of life in the female’s pouch. If you find a juvenile opossum alone, it is safe to assume that it is in need of help.

To determine if young wildlife is truly orphaned:
Check the animal periodically for 24 to 48 hours to see if it is still around, but keep your distance.

Keep cats and dogs away from the area where the young animal is; the adult will not return if it is noisy or if predators or people are close by.

Signs of orphaning, injury or illness may include:
Blood, wounds or swelling on the body

Lethargy or coldness to the touch

Body covered in fleas

Unusual or uneven loss of fur or feathers

Vocalizing and/or following humans around

A fawn that is wandering around

Contact with a domestic cat

Difficult or raspy breathing or sneezing

A dangling leg or wing

Closed eyes

Head tucked under wing

The best approach is always to leave a juvenile wild animal alone unless you are certain it has been abandoned or it is injured.

If you find an injured, sick or orphaned wild animal, contact a wildlife custodian who can provide the specialized and immediate care necessary to help the animal. If you must handle it, seek the advice of a wildlife custodian to minimize risk of injury to yourself and to the animal. Wear protective clothing and equipment, such as leather gloves, to avoid bites or scratches, and wash hands well after handling the animal.

Diseased or Dead Wildlife

If you suspect there is a public health risk from a sick wild animal, such as rabies, or you or your pet had contact with a suspected rabid animal, contact your local Public Health Unit immediately. Rabies is fatal for humans and animals if not treated. Symptoms of rabies and several other diseases in animals can include tremors, aggressive behaviour, partial paralysis, convulsions, and loss of fear of humans.
To report a dead crow, raven or blue-jay bird contact your local Public Health Unit. To report other dead animals or birds contact the Canadian Cooperative Wildlife Health Centre (CCWHC).

Who to contact:

Provincial Wildlife Rehabilitation Centres



Nova Scotia

Saskatchewan



New Brunswick

Alberta



Quebec

British Columbia



Ontario

Yukon



Manitoba






Alberta

Province-wide: Alberta Society for Injured Birds of Prey
Tel: 780-922-3024
E-mail: asibp@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

Calgary: Calgary Wildlife Rehabilitation Society (CWRS)
Tel: 403-239-2488
E-mail: calgaryw@telus.net

Cochrane: Cochrane Ecological Institute – Cochrane Wildlife Reserve
Tel: 403-932-5632
E-mail: cei@nucleus.com

Edmonton: Wildlife Rehabilitation Society of Edmonton
Tel: 780-914-4118
E-mail: WRSE@oanet.com

Lethbridge area: Coaldale Rehabilitation Centre
Tel: 403-345-4262

Red Deer: Medicine River Wildlife Rehabilitation Centre
Tel: 403-728-3467
E-mail: mrwrc@telusplanet.net

Southern region, Rockyview municipal district: Alberta Institute for Wildlife Conservation
Tel: 403-946-2361
E-mail: info@aiwc.ca

British Columbia

Province-wide: Wildlife Rehabilitators Network of British Columbia
Tel: 250-847-5101
E-mail: info@wrnbc.org

Burnaby: The Wildlife Rescue Association of British Columbia
Tel: 604-526-7275
E-mail: info@wildliferescue.ca

Courtenay: Mountainaire Avian Rescue Society
Tel: 250-337-2021

Delta: Orphaned Wildlife Rehabilitation Society
Tel: 604-946-3171
E-mail: owlrehab@dccnet.com

Langley: Critter Care Wildlife Society
Tel: 604-530-2064
E-mail: crittercare1@shaw.ca

Prince Rupert: Prince Rupert Wildlife Rehab Shelter
Tel: 250-624-4159
E-mail: wildlife@citytel.net

Abbotsford: Elizabeth's Wildlife Center Society
Tel: 604-852-9173

Sunshine Coast (Gibsons): Gibsons Wildlife Rehabilitation Centre
Tel: 604-886-4989
E-mail: gwrc@sunshine.net

Vancouver: Marine Mammal Rescue, Vancouver Aquarium Marine Science Centre
Tel: 604-258-SEAL (7325)
E-mail: rescue@vanaqua.org

Victoria: BC SPCA Wild Arc - Wild Animal Rehabilitation Centre
Tel: 250-478-9453
E-mail: info@wildarc.com


Manitoba

Île Des Chênes: Wildlife Haven Rehabilitation Centre (aka Manitoba Wildlife Rehabilitation Organization)
Tel: 204-878-3740
E-mail: mwrocent@skyweb.ca

Winnipeg: Prairie Wildlife Rehabilitation Centre
Tel: 204-510-1855
email: pwrcentre@gmail.com
Web: www.pwildlife.ca




New Brunswick

Moncton: Greater Moncton SPCA
Tel: (506) 857-8698

Sackville: Atlantic Wildlife Institute
Tel: (506) 364-1902
E-mail: awi@xplornet.com


Nova Scotia

Colchester county (Hilden): Cobequid Wildlife Rehabilitation Center
Tel: 902 893-0253
E-mail: cwrc@cwrc.net

Seaforth: Hope for Wildlife Society
Tel: 902-452-3339
E-mail: info@hopeforwildlife.net

Shubenacadie Provincial Wildlife Park
Tel: (902) 758-2040
E-mail: visserbj@gov.ns.ca

Chester: Spruce Cove Rehabilitation Centre
Tel: (902) 275-1373
E-mail: sprucecove@bwr.eastlink.ca

Tantallon: Final Flight Aviary Wild Bird Rescue
Tel: (902) 826-7468
E-mail: schoonerview@sprint.ca

Ellershouse: Angel Wings Wild Songbird Sanctuary
Tel: (902) 798-4768
E-mail: shonna13@ca.inter.net


Ontario

Public Health Units:
call 1-866-532-3161 between 8:30 a.m. and 5:00 p.m. Monday to Friday, or visit http://www.health.gov.on.ca/english/...phuloc_mn.html for a list of offices.

Canadian Cooperative Wildlife Health Centre:
call 1-866-673-4781, or visit http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/toce.shtml

Ontario Wildlife Rehabilitation and Education Network (OWREN):
visit www.owren-online.org, contact info@owren-online.org or call 905-735-9556

Local Humane Society or local branch of the Ontario Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (SPCA):
visit http://ontariospca.ca/, call 1-888-668-7722 or the Ontario SPCA Wildlife Rehabilitation Centre at 705-534-4350.

Ottawa: Wild Bird Care Centre
Tel: 613-828-2849
E-mail: mojo@wildbirdcarecentre.org

Rockwood: SOAR - Songbirds Only Avian Rehabilitation
Tel: 519-856-4510
E-mail: drake@sentex.net

Sarnia: For the Birds Rehabilitation Services
Tel: 519-344-3229
E-mail: jbiggs@rivernet.net

Ottawa County (North Gower): Rideau Valley Wildlife Sanctuary
Tel: 613-258-9480
E-mail: rideauwildlife@ripnet.com

Kitchener-Waterloo: Turtle Haven
Tel: 519-745-4334
E-mail: uros@sympatico.ca

Essex County (Amherstburg): Wings Avian Rehabilitation Centre
Tel: 519-736-8172
E-mail: wings@mnsi.net

Toronto: Toronto Wildlife Centre
Tel: 416-631-0662

Utterson: A Wing And A Prayer, Muskoka Centre for Wild Birds
Tel: 705-385-1488
E-mail: jenright@primus.ca

Windsor: Erie Wildlife Rescue, Inc.
Tel: 519-969-3919

Quebec

Montreal: Urban Animal Advocates, Wildlife Rescue and Rehabilitation Centre
Tel: 514-366-9965
E-mail: uaawildlife@yahoo.com

Southwest region, Montérégie (Hudson) : Le Nichoir Bird Rehabilitation Centre
Tel: 450-458-2809
E-mail: lenichoir@hotmail.com

http://wildlife.rescueshelter.com/ca

http://wildliferehabinfo.org/Contact_Intnl.htm#CANADA

also not sure if you can afford to pay for a vet, but you could tell them that he is from your loft and got hit when you flew your birds

[astra]

ok,

So, I tried feeling his legs:

1. He brings his left leg under him when he sits/lies there. I felt it, it seemed ok, although, fingers looked damaged and injured - the photo with the bloody dot is his left leg.

2. He cannot bring his right leg under him, so it sticks out twisted as in the photo.
Yes, some fingers are black - I think they were even cooler to the touch, which might mean they are dying or dead.
I felt his right leg - I don't know, maybe, it's just because I don't know what I am feeling, but I didn't feel any breaks anywhere...
I was trying to think of how it would be in mammals - you would feel the rupture in the bone etc. But birds are so much more delicate and their bones are so thin, that I am afraid I am not feeling the break if there is one.
But it didnt feel broken. It felt warm to touch, too.
I tried comparing both legs, and they felt pretty much the same.
But he still cannot bring his right leg under himself.

3. His right wing seems to be ok now. Maybe, it looked damaged because he cannot prop himself on that right leg and that's why he was spreading his right wing.
Because again - it felt ok. And again, it might be that I don't know what I am feeling. But it felt fine. I tried spreading his right wing and all feathers seem to be fine, too.
But I definitely, could not spread and feel as well his left wing because it is whole and he resisted me, and I didn't want to injure him accidentally by forcefully feeling it.

He even tried to flutter out of my hands.

i tried keeping his head covered, but he kept peeking out, he absolutely had to see what was going on. don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing.

I didn't get to look into his mouth, but for all this time nothing cheesy came out (sorry, had to smile here because "cheesy" description reminded me of the living dead moving with that "cheesy" stuff coming out of their mouths - sorry, this must be a needed comic relief if at all possible, because I have been very stressed out).

So, nothing cheesy. I assume, if there was anything cheesy I'd see it somewhere.

He pooped all over my jacket (I hope that stuff comes off ).
Because squirrel poop never came off my tshirts awhile back.

So, now I put him in a box, dark and quiet (not too dark though, just semi-covered the box), with some dry bread, some wet bread and a lid with water.
As I said before, when I came to take him from the office, he crawled out of my jacket and was right by the lid with water, and the lid was empty. So I assume he drank some, he might have spilled some, too, but there was nothing wet in the box, so most likely, he drank most of it.

So, that's where I am right now.

I will keep calling vet clinics, but looks like no one wants to see him.

I will keep trying to register on that pigeon site, but they are being difficult with their registration process.

So, if there is anything else I need / could do - please share.

and THANK YOU!!!!

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

Wish I could run over to help you Jodi, I'd love to learn NO ONE does birds around here - so I 'wing' it - I'm going to call you with next batch. Lots of Robins. Sorry - back to Astra's Pij!

[2ndHandRanchRescue]

i'm orignally from minnesota too nancy, musta been sumthin in the water

Oxbow Park by Rochester Minnesota got me started at 7 yrs old (they had wildlife camp) got me started into North American Wildlife !!!

Astra so brave!!! Wish I could help you too! Hugs!

[astra]

thanks!
Of course, I forgot to attach photos:

[astra]

oh and you might want to use a deeper dish, they drink differently than other birds, kind of use their beaks like a straw, make sure water is at least an inch deep

yes, it is deep enough.
Since he cannot prop himself, I didn't give him anything too deep - just at his beak level

[psychobird]

okay, the cheesy stuff (lol) would be in his thoat, it a common ailment in piji's especially when they are under stress
it's called trichomoniasis or canker as piji people call it
if you keep him you will need to check his mouth at least once a day, it's very treatable with flagyl
the toes make me think they have hair wrapped around them, but that wouldn't cause him to hold his leg like that
he must have a high up break
hopefully not in the hip
for now i would roll some fleece and make sort of a donut to prop him up in, hopefully he will stay put
he needs seed, bread is no good for them, will fill him up but has virtually no nutritional value
do you have any metacam???

[psychobird]

and baytril?

[psychobird]

got this from charis on pt
Originally Posted by altgirl35
do you know of any members that rehab up in quebec??
someone on the squirrell board needs help with an injured piji
here's the link
http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=33419
she wasn't able to register for some reason

Quebec has been difficult. I made dozens of calls and came up with zip. I do have a veterinarian though. He may know of someone.

Dr. Sikorski
Clinique Veterinarian Villeray-Papineau
7655 Papineau
Montreal, Quebec
H2E2H1
514-593-6777
__________________
Charis




If all the beasts were
gone, men would die
from great loneliness of
spirit, for whatever
happens to the beasts
also happens to the man.
Seattle 1736-1866

[astra]

okay, the cheesy stuff (lol) would in his thoat, it a common ailment in piji's especially when they are under stress
it's called trichomoniasis or canker as piji people call it
if you keep him you will need to check his mouth at least once a day, it's very treatable with flagyl
the toes make me think they have hair wrapped around them, but that wouldn't cause him to hold his leg like that
he must have a high up break
hopefully not in the hip
for now i would roll some fleece and make sort of a donut to prop him up in, hopefully he will stay put
he needs seed, bread is no good for them, will fill him up but has virtually no nutritional value
do you have any metacam???

will do the fleece roll as you said.

i will get the bird seed tomorrow.
for now i have some millet grains - will they do?
I have no meds

what if the break is at the hip?... what are his chances then?... Now that you said it, it might be a break at the hip since he cannot pull his leg under himself..

Poor little guy...

I will keep calling the numbers

[astra]

got this from charis on pt
Originally Posted by altgirl35
do you know of any members that rehab up in quebec??
someone on the squirrell board needs help with an injured piji
here's the link
http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=33419
she wasn't able to register for some reason

Quebec has been difficult. I made dozens of calls and came up with zip. I do have a veterinarian though. He may know of someone.

Dr. Sikorski
Clinique Veterinarian Villeray-Papineau
7655 Papineau
Montreal, Quebec
H2E2H1
514-593-6777
__________________
Charis




If all the beasts were
gone, men would die
from great loneliness of
spirit, for whatever
happens to the beasts
also happens to the man.
Seattle 1736-1866

THAN YOU!!!!
I will call this doc first thing tomorrow morning

[Scooterzmom]

There is a fantastic place for bird rehab in Quebec, but it is seasonal and I don't know if they are open yet. It's called LE NICHOIR, located in Hudson Qc, just 10 minutes from where I live. I believe they do have volunteers who will take the birds in until the refuge itself is open and they do have excellent vet services for them.

http://lenichoir.org/ and the phone number is 450 458-2809

These people are super competent, the lady who runs it is in fact the person who was called upon by the US to set up the bird clean-up/rescue for the Gulf coast oil disaster.