upChucky's UP!

[Katfish92]

his vomit defenitely looked bloody the last time. He is drinking the ca/water mixture.

[Katfish92]

he never goes in the kitchen. He's scared of running water. He is drinking the ca/water mixture

[Jackie in Tampa]

we need to get him to perk up..in order to evaluate him better...do you have any karo syrup, log cabin or molasses...rub a small amount on his gums...
and continue to admin the calcium water slowly over the next couple hours... you can give plain tap water in between cal or dilute it more...just keep him taking water/hydration in some form..and as NIN said...apple juice will help withy both sugar and water...
go slow and stop if he continues to vomit...
so how many times has he vomited...please try to keep him warm while doing triage...

[Jackie in Tampa]

if he is calcium low...everything needs to be slow and soft, no noise, no bright lights, no sudden movements...I also have a sq that is scared of running water ...also an MBD sq, so I keep him away from water at all times...anything that may freak him out is not good if he is cal low...we do not want a seizure...
I am not trying to get stuck on one diagnosis....but it is the easiest one to fix and if he has anything less than perfect in the way of diet, he is at risk...
so keep thinking of possible things he may have gotten into...
and then give us the best history on him you cann..and his true daily diet...
this will help the rehabbers help you ...to help him...

[Nancy in New York]

You are in the best possible hands here with Jackie...
I hope that Dwight calls you...I will be back on at 2:00 if you have a problem...

[Katfish92]

thanks everyone for helping. I feed him kaytee forti diet rodent blocks. Some days he eats 2 or 3 and some days hell eat up to 10. But on average they make about 50 percent of his diet. I feed him some veggies and then fruits after the rodent blocks. He gets a couple nuts for dessert. He's been eating this diet since I found him last september.

[Jackie in Tampa]

how old was he when you rescued him? and was he on formula?
if so, which fomula did you use?
for how long?
how old was he when he stopped taking formula?
what veggies does he eat? do you repeat his diet daily or rotate veggies?
does he eat mushrooms or yogurt, they are both healthy.
Does he get sunshine or have a UV light?
How does he appear right now?
keep pushing the fluids and keep him warm...
will he move around on his own...have you seen poops and any urine..
to ck urine, I use a pillowcase smoothed out flat...you can monitor color and amount easier...
will he eat anything solid right now? a pecan half, a grape?

[Jackie in Tampa]

just trying to figure out what's going on with him...so any and all info helps...
some veggies are not as good as others, like corn, it actually stops calcium absorbtion...can you give me a list of things he eats and how often...I know this is alot, but lethargy can be from alot of things..
is his fur standing on end? is he chattering teeth...has he vomited again?
did you do a pinch test for dehydation yet? gently lift the skin between shoulders, if it relaxes he is hydrated, if it tents he needs hydration immediately...
glad he is taking the fluids

[Katfish92]

how old was he when you rescued him? and was he on formula?
if so, which fomula did you use?
for how long?
how old was he when he stopped taking formula?
what veggies does he eat? do you repeat his diet daily or rotate veggies?
does he eat mushrooms or yogurt, they are both healthy.
Does he get sunshine or have a UV light?
How does he appear right now?
keep pushing the fluids and keep him warm...
will he move around on his own...have you seen poops and any urine..
to ck urine, I use a pillowcase smoothed out flat...you can monitor color and amount easier...
will he eat anything solid right now? a pecan half, a grape?

when I found him he was weaned. He eats mushrooms often but not yogurt. He hasn't urined or pooped in a couple hours but he is taking pedialyte and calcium. He is also sprawled out and alot more relaxed instead of curled up

[Jackie in Tampa]

do you think he is responding to the calcium?
here is a link on metabolic bone disease...
http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=17677

how old do you think he was?
were his eyes open? fully furred tail? were there others?
give me some history guy....
any more blood?
edit: can you post a pic?

[Katfish92]

I did the pinch test and he is hydrated. He has alwas chattered his teeth sometimes.
his veggies are usually lettuce, avacado, carrot, mushrooms. He eats dried corn occasionally but not recemtly. Never fresh corn. He get maybe a 1/4 to 1/2 cup of veggies/fruits a day. I change the variety of fruits/ veggies every week or 2

[Katfish92]

do you think he is responding to the calcium?
here is a link on metabolic bone disease...
[URL]

how old do you think he was?
were his eyes open? fully furred tail? were there others?
give me some history guy....
any more blood?
edit: can you post a pic?

from pictures I've seen I think he was about a month old. His eyes were wide open. He was fully furred. He seems more relaxed now.

[Jackie in Tampa]

I may catch hell for this...as many rehabbers believe in rat chow/rodent blocks...but the main ingrediant in most of them is corn...
I only offer it to juvinille sqs to make a mess with...
is he stable enough to read the link...
hoping it will shed light as to whether this is a calcium issue or...not.
please keep him warm...if it is MBD, some sqs have a hard time keeping core temp up...make a rice buddy using any rice and a sock,,,tie it off and nuke it for 20-60 seconds...wrap that up with him...comfort.
have you ever seen any seizures?..has he slowed down in excersize?
have you changed anything in your house? brought in something that may have been sprayed...or anything moldy he may have been near?...

[Katfish92]

I may catch hell for this...as many rehabbers believe in rat chow/rodent blocks...but the main ingrediant in most of them is corn...
I only offer it to juvinille sqs to make a mess with...
is he stable enough to read the link...
hoping it will shed light as to whether this is a calcium issue or...not.
please keep him warm...if it is MBD, some sqs have a hard time keeping core temp up...make a rice buddy using any rice and a sock,,,tie it off and nuke it for 20-60 seconds...wrap that up with him...comfort.
have you ever seen any seizures?..has he slowed down in excersize?
have you changed anything in your house? brought in something that may have been sprayed...or anything moldy he may have been near?...

he is on a heat blanket. I havnt seen any seizures. Until this morning he always had alot of energy. My mom cleaned the bathroom yesterday with clorox stuff but he doesn't go in there.

[Jackie in Tampa]

from pictures I've seen I think he was about a month old. His eyes were wide open. He was fully furred. He seems more relaxed now.

I push formula as long as possible...for him to have been without the proper nutriants at such a young age is possibly what is going on with him now.
You will have to use the emergency MBD protocol and continue with the calcium...
thank you for finding this forum when you did...I am seriously thinking this is calcium related..especially if he is responding to the calcium...
You will need to do research on improving his diet, some foods are much better than others.
There is also a forum with alot of nutrition info.. healthy food lists and evil food lists are there...
I have them printed and posted on the fridge...
foods that are high in phosphorus will deplete the calcium that other healthy foods have...
so high phosphorus is bad ...
and should be avoided...
here is a link to the nutrition forum...
http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/f...play.php?f=191

Several members are monitoring this thread...and we are here...
keep us posted on Chucks progress...
do not give too much calcium too fast...300 mg in 8-12 hours is good ...try to get him to eat something solid too...

[Katfish92]

I have been doing the calcium treatment along with a little pedialyte. He won't eat anything solid and is very weak but is awake and looking around a little.

[Jackie in Tampa]

teeth chattering is an indication of pain and/or agitation...
and agitation AND pain are associated with low calcium...
once the body isn't supplied with enough calcium and reaches rock bottom...the body starts stealing calcium from it's own organs and bones in order to maintain the calcium level in the brain...
sometimes it can be so severe that partial paralysis occurs..followed by seizures and then death...
I am noit trying to scare you...but we see it in the emergency forum too often...
It is hard to raise a sq in captivity...it's all about health with these guys...and once they are sick, they can go down fast......
I actually think I would order some Fox Valley formula and try it...he may love it...
it is complete.
WE also have a member that sells Henry's Healthy Sq Blocks...
they are based on complete RVA disguised in a nut cookie...most sqs on TSB eat them as a staple daily...

how's chuck now?

[Jackie in Tampa]

I have been doing the calcium treatment along with a little pedialyte. He won't eat anything solid and is very weak but is awake and looking around a little.

did you get any sugar on his gums...karo etc?
keep hydrating, every drop counts...
goal is 600 mg of calcium in first 24 hours...for three days...and then start a healthy diet with suppliments!
I could be wrong about amounts...someone will let you know if so...
I haven't read the protocol in awhile. eek!
do not let him get too hot either on heating pad...

[Katfish92]

he is asleep now but I think he had a small seizure. I could take him to a rehab place in the morning because I would much rather give him up than have him die. What do you think? Also where can I get the fox valley formula?

[Katfish92]

I have a 300 mg tab and he's had about a 1/3 of it. I am putting sugar on his gums. He is awake and left the heat blanket to lay in my lap