Infant with possible pox?

[tnd5]

I have a 2 1/2 to 3 week old infant, weighing 34g, with lesions on left side of his body. They started as a vague spot and have developed into horrible, crusty lesions. I will try to attach pictures from when I first noticed it to today, but not very computer literate. So far, I have done 3 days of Baytril BID at .015cc, cleaned with hibiclens, and applied diluted betadine. I changed the antibiotic to Clavamox .014cc, (the mg/ml is 3mg/30ml), on the 4th day. I am cleaning with hibiclens BID, and applying an antifungal cream on the lesions. He gets Benebac 2 x day. The lesions are not wet at this point, but very thick and look very painful.

Today is the 6th day that this going on. What am I doing wrong and what can I do to help him? He is still taking his formula, peeing and pooping, (although a bit runny), great. Can I give him meloxicam or infant ibuprofen in addition t0 the antibiotics?

Please help. I don't want to lose this little guy. He is fighting so hard.

[island rehabber]

Can you get Valtrex or Zovirax or any form of acyclovir ASAP? Maybe friends or family have some to treat a form of herpes. HE needs an antiviral and if you catch this early you can stop its progression. Poor sweetie...

[supersquirrelgirl]

Not sure giving any AB is needed since this is POX. Maybe other TSB members can comment on this ??

I also wonder if its better to not put Betadine on lesions as you want them to dry up. Comment Anybody ??

Mr.SSG

[tnd5]

I cannot get any of the meds suggested. I have already gone that route and begged everyone I know. I would be tickled to stop the antibiotics if it is warranted. He does have runny poops and is dehydrated from it. Is the antifungal cream doing any good? There is no infection and he is still eating his formula, peeing and pooping good. Do I need to try to find another anti viral? Where did this come from? Should I stop the anti fungal, too? Can I give infant ibuprofen to help with the pain, or meloxicam?

Thank you for your replies.

[tnd5]

Also, I am not using the iodine anymore, only the antifungal cream

[supersquirrelgirl]

Also, I am not using the iodine anymore, only the antifungal cream

POX is a virus not a fungus.

Do you have reason for AB and antifungal cream ??

Island Rehabber is Pox pro so hope she comes back with comments.

[tnd5]

POX is a virus not a fungus.

Do you have reason for AB and antifungal cream ??

Island Rehabber is Pox pro so hope she comes back with comments.

SSG, thank you for your reply. I was told on another board to use AB to prevent any infections and to use the antifungal cream. Hopefully, I can get someone to help me that knows what they are talking about. Thank you!

[tnd5]

Can you get Valtrex or Zovirax or any form of acyclovir ASAP? Maybe friends or family have some to treat a form of herpes. HE needs an antiviral and if you catch this early you can stop its progression. Poor sweetie...

Thank you for your reply. No one has any of those meds. Can I use Abreva?

Also, would infant ibuprofen or meloxicam help with the pain? I am getting desperate. It seems to be starting to spread, again.

[supersquirrelgirl]

Can you post an updated picture. Pox is painful especially when lesions begin to erupt. (that's when infection might set in.)

[SamtheSquirrel2018]

I have a 2 1/2 to 3 week old infant, weighing 34g, with lesions on left side of his body. They started as a vague spot and have developed into horrible, crusty lesions. I will try to attach pictures from when I first noticed it to today, but not very computer literate. So far, I have done 3 days of Baytril BID at .015cc, cleaned with hibiclens, and applied diluted betadine. I changed the antibiotic to Clavamox .014cc, (the mg/ml is 3mg/30ml), on the 4th day. I am cleaning with hibiclens BID, and applying an antifungal cream on the lesions. He gets Benebac 2 x day. The lesions are not wet at this point, but very thick and look very painful.

Today is the 6th day that this going on. What am I doing wrong and what can I do to help him? He is still taking his formula, peeing and pooping, (although a bit runny), great. Can I give him meloxicam or infant ibuprofen in addition t0 the antibiotics?

Please help. I don't want to lose this little guy. He is fighting so hard.

Hi Tnd:
How did you happen to get possession of this Little Squirrel? What was his history before he became fortunate enough to find you? I don't want to get you confused or frustrated with multiple readers posting a number of different possibilities but I will just offer my opinion and take a chance. I am not so certain that this is Pox. From viewing your photos; it appears to me that your little Squirrel has some crusted lesions on the left hind limb with significant generalized swelling of that limb. I wonder if this may be the result of an insect bite or exposure to an allergenic plant or substance such as poison ivy! If this is the case as I suspect, the swelling may be from the allergic reaction itself and/or from development of a secondary infection!

Again, I am not saying that I can rule-out Pox but there are other possibilities and I do suspect this. An infection can also be coexistent with Pox!

I would suggest trying an antihistamine such as Benadryl and I will send a PM to you with a "cheat sheet" for dosing of both Benadry and Ibuprofen. Please read the specifics as to the formulations of both! The Ibuprofen dosing is based upon using the Infant Ibuprofen 50mg per 1.25ml of solution and the Benadryl is based upon the Children's solution of 12.5mg per 5ml of solution.

**The only difference I have is with frequency of Ibuprofen dosing and I would recommend dosing Ibuprofen (or any other NSAID) NO more often than every 8 hours and even every 10-12 hours would be a consideration!**

Also, while we don't put dosing instructions or current dosing information on the Open Board (we use Private Messages to convey this information); I am glad that you did post yours as I have some concerns and questions about this as well. An Admin can remove the dosing stuff but I would like to pose some questions right now while here as I am also at work with limited time). Please send by Private Message to me and other who are helping you the answers to the following questions ASAP; 1) Did you mix the Clavamox yourself to get the concentration of 3mg/30ml? 2) what was the original strength of the Clavamox and what was the formulation (tablets or powder), 3) Are you certain about the weight of your Squirrel and and of the dose you are giving of the antibiotic (specifically 0.014ml of a 3mg/30ml suspension)? I'm not sure how you will be able to accurately administer 0.014ml of this suspension and much more to the point is that IF this is in a concentration of 3mg per 30ml of water, there is only 0.1mg of Clavamox in each ml. IF you are giving only 0.014ml of this suspension, you are giving only 0.0014mg of the Clavamox (3mg/30ml=0.1mg/1ml, 0.014 x 0.1=0.0014mg)! If this is the case, the Clavamox is being severely underdosed! This is almost a homeopathic dose of Clavamox and will NOT be effective as an antibiotic!

What is this little one getting for formula and how much and how often and what are his "living arrangements?" General care, hydration and nutrition are all of the utmost importance! Here is a link to Henry's Pets very valuable information on baby Squirrel Care. The one major exception would be to AVOID using Fox Valley 32/40! Please read pages 1-3 IMMEDIATELY! https://www.henryspets.com/1-baby-squirrel-care-guide/

Regards,
SamtheSquirrel

[Spanky]

... I will just offer my opinion and take a chance. I am not so certain that this is Pox.

I tend to be in agreement with Sam and am not so sure this is pox. Other possibilities may be worth exploring. Are there any lesions on the front feet or face / ears? Posting pics of the face and footsies may be of benefit.

(I am not removing the dosing just yet... only temporarily... until the clarifications are completed as that is very important . critical).

[tnd5]

Updated pics from this morning:

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[Spanky]

Is there a possibility this baby may have gotten a very bad sunburn? :thinking

[tnd5]

Is there a possibility this baby may have gotten a very bad sunburn? :thinking



Spanky, I really don't think so. He was covered in dirt and showed no signs of it when he was cleaned up. Also, sunburn would not spread, would it? Thank you.

[SamtheSquirrel2018]

Hi Tnd5:
Thanks for you further posts and photos. I did get your PM about the Clavamox formulation and the amount of the Clavamox suspension your were giving. In you post on the Open Board, your mention the dose in cc's but in your PM to me, you expressed the same number in mg's. Please clarify this in a PM just "for the record" but both are underdoses! Do you want to resume the Clavamox? I would recommend considering this as there may be an underlying infection at least in the hind limb that shows such definitive swelling. If you would like continue to give Clavamox, please do two things and we can help you with dosing; 1) was the medication actually Clavamox or was it a human form (that's ok though!) of Amoxicillin plus Clavulanate, 2) are you absolutely certain about the concentration of the medication you mentioned and that it is 3mg/30ml? The reason I need to clarify this is that Clavamox suspension (by Clavamox Brand Name) is a suspension of 50mg of Amoxicillin + 12.5mg of Clavulanate and when mixed according to directions is provides 15ml of suspension. The human forms of Amoxicillin plus Clavulanate that I am familiar with all use a basic unit of 1 tsp (or 5ml) and none of them would provide 3mg in 30ml! 3) Did you mix this yourself from some Clavamox or generic Amoxicillin plus Clavulanate? IF so, please respond by PM with the detailed specifics of how you made this and what you mean by 3mg (is this the Amoxicillin component or the combined amoxicillin plus Clavulanate components together)? The reason I am belaboring this is that if you would be inclined to continue the Clavamox, we may be able to use the same suspension IF we can determine with certainty as to what the concentration of the suspension is and whether this was based upon the weight of the Amoxicillin or the combined weight of the Amoxicillin plus the Clavulanate! It may be best to start all over if you more Amoxicillin plus Clavulanate available. Again, we will need to know this and you can post what you have in your thread and one of use will help you with mixing and dosing instruction! IF this is a commercial prescription formulation, is the original bottle available and if so, would you post a photo of it in your thread, please? 4) We should have an updated weight of your Squirrel.

Please post this post the summary of this little Squirrel that you sent to me by PM on in your Thread so that other will be able to follow all that has bee going on and be better "equipped" to help you with suggestion! The main thing to avoid posting on the open Board are any specific mixing and dosing instructions for medications. With this excepted, everything else would be best placed in your thread. Thanks and sorry for the bother!

Looking at the lesions in your new post, The affected limb does not appear suggestive of Pox and I still suspect some sort of exposure before you came into possession of the baby (just as examples, ant bites, allergic reaction to some of the stuff he was lying in or whatever). The lesions that I see in your new photos have more of a cursory resemblance to Pox but they appear somewhat "honey-crusted" as if there was an exudate such as fluid that would tend to leak out from in and around cells and often dries in a sort of "honey-crusted" appearance. I still suspect an irritant or allergen and in the limb with the scaling skin and swelling, I suspect the same as to cause but I am more concerned about an underlying infection as at least partial explanation for limb swelling! Amoxicillin plus Clavulanate is great for skin infections with the exception of no coverage for Methicillin Resistant Staph. Please also verify if the head lesions are as how they appear to me and whether or not there is any drainage from these lesions. We can make some recommendation for or against using some topical agent such as Hydrogel or petrolatum as examples. I would strongly recommend AGAINST using Neosporin or any other topical ointment or cream that contains Neomycin! It is commonly allergenic!

Thanks and sorry yo bother you with all the questions. Thank you also for your love and care of the baby Squirrel!

Regards,
SamtheSquirrel

[tnd5]

Thank you, Samthesquirrel. I am sorry for any confusion. I will get on the answers and clarification of your questions. Sadly, I do not have any more Clavamox. What I did have, the mixture expired yesterday. I will take a picture of the bottle. It may be morning before I can do this, as I have a bunch of babies to feed and put to bed. I will be right behind them as I am exhausted. Thank you, again!

[SamtheSquirrel2018]

Thanks Tnd5. Has the Clavamox been kept in the refrigerator the entire time since first put the powder into supension?
Regards,
StS


Thank you, Samthesquirrel. I am sorry for any confusion. I will get on the answers and clarification of your questions. Sadly, I do not have any more Clavamox. What I did have, the mixture expired yesterday. I will take a picture of the bottle. It may be morning before I can do this, as I have a bunch of babies to feed and put to bed. I will be right behind them as I am exhausted. Thank you, again!

[tnd5]

SamtheSquirrel has asked me to post this to the forum:

Thank you for the replies! I am going to do my best to answer all the questions:

I am a sub permitee with a licensed wildlife rehabber here in Texas. I have been rehabbing for 10 years. This is not a common thing here and we need more experienced people to help us with this.

I picked up this little guy a little over a week ago. The finder had called and said they had a naked baby squirrel that had been found covered in dirt under a tree. We tried to reunite, with no success. There was also a 2nd baby by the time I got back home with him. I put him in the incubator and went back to get the second baby. They were both about 30g and in good shape, other than some scratches and bruising. After getting them warm and cleaned up with plain water, I started hydrating. After that was complete, I started on diluted Goats Milk Esbilac, mixed 2 parts water to 1 part formula. Then further diluted to start babies on at 1/4. They are great eaters, pooper and peeing.

A few days later, I started noticing small, red spots on his abdomen, in the area of the crease of his back leg. I immediately separated him from the others. These lesions have spread all along the left side of his body and leg. Yesterday, I noticed one starting on the left side of his mouth and the bottom of his right back foot. I will not go into what I was told to do, as it has already been posted. I did stop the antibiotics and the antifungal cream yesterday. I was giving the infant ibuprofen every 6 hours, but I have extended that to 10-12 hours.

The concentration of the Clavamox is 3mg/30ml. All I did was add the water to the powder. It had a line for where to fill the water. I tried to work out the proper dosage of that, and came up with the .014mg for his weight of 34g. Guess I screwed that up, too.

The formula I use is Goats Milk Esbilac, (I refuse to use FV 32/40 as I have lost numerous babies on it), it is mixed at 2 parts spring water/1 part powder. They are getting fed every 3 hours at this point. I will switch to FV 20/50 at 5 weeks old.

I hope I have answered all your questions and clarified what is going on.

[tnd5]

Thanks Tnd5. Has the Clavamox been kept in the refrigerator the entire time since first put the powder into supension?
Regards,
StS

Yes, it has. It is only taken out to pull up the dosage:

[tnd5]

Hi Tnd5:
Thanks for you further posts and photos. I did get your PM about the Clavamox formulation and the amount of the Clavamox suspension your were giving. In you post on the Open Board, your mention the dose in cc's but in your PM to me, you expressed the same number in mg's. Please clarify this in a PM just "for the record" but both are underdoses! Do you want to resume the Clavamox? I would recommend considering this as there may be an underlying infection at least in the hind limb that shows such definitive swelling. If you would like continue to give Clavamox, please do two things and we can help you with dosing; 1) was the medication actually Clavamox or was it a human form (that's ok though!) of Amoxicillin plus Clavulanate, 2) are you absolutely certain about the concentration of the medication you mentioned and that it is 3mg/30ml? The reason I need to clarify this is that Clavamox suspension (by Clavamox Brand Name) is a suspension of 50mg of Amoxicillin + 12.5mg of Clavulanate and when mixed according to directions is provides 15ml of suspension. The human forms of Amoxicillin plus Clavulanate that I am familiar with all use a basic unit of 1 tsp (or 5ml) and none of them would provide 3mg in 30ml! 3) Did you mix this yourself from some Clavamox or generic Amoxicillin plus Clavulanate? IF so, please respond by PM with the detailed specifics of how you made this and what you mean by 3mg (is this the Amoxicillin component or the combined amoxicillin plus Clavulanate components together)? The reason I am belaboring this is that if you would be inclined to continue the Clavamox, we may be able to use the same suspension IF we can determine with certainty as to what the concentration of the suspension is and whether this was based upon the weight of the Amoxicillin or the combined weight of the Amoxicillin plus the Clavulanate! It may be best to start all over if you more Amoxicillin plus Clavulanate available. Again, we will need to know this and you can post what you have in your thread and one of use will help you with mixing and dosing instruction! IF this is a commercial prescription formulation, is the original bottle available and if so, would you post a photo of it in your thread, please? 4) We should have an updated weight of your Squirrel.

Please post this post the summary of this little Squirrel that you sent to me by PM on in your Thread so that other will be able to follow all that has bee going on and be better "equipped" to help you with suggestion! The main thing to avoid posting on the open Board are any specific mixing and dosing instructions for medications. With this excepted, everything else would be best placed in your thread. Thanks and sorry for the bother!

Looking at the lesions in your new post, The affected limb does not appear suggestive of Pox and I still suspect some sort of exposure before you came into possession of the baby (just as examples, ant bites, allergic reaction to some of the stuff he was lying in or whatever). The lesions that I see in your new photos have more of a cursory resemblance to Pox but they appear somewhat "honey-crusted" as if there was an exudate such as fluid that would tend to leak out from in and around cells and often dries in a sort of "honey-crusted" appearance. I still suspect an irritant or allergen and in the limb with the scaling skin and swelling, I suspect the same as to cause but I am more concerned about an underlying infection as at least partial explanation for limb swelling! Amoxicillin plus Clavulanate is great for skin infections with the exception of no coverage for Methicillin Resistant Staph. Please also verify if the head lesions are as how they appear to me and whether or not there is any drainage from these lesions. We can make some recommendation for or against using some topical agent such as Hydrogel or petrolatum as examples. I would strongly recommend AGAINST using Neosporin or any other topical ointment or cream that contains Neomycin! It is commonly allergenic!

Thanks and sorry yo bother you with all the questions. Thank you also for your love and care of the baby Squirrel!

Regards,
SamtheSquirrel


No bother at all! I obviously do not know what I am doing with this as I have never experienced nor seen it.

As far as mixing up my cc, ml, and mg, that is on me. My head knew what I meant, but my fingers did not type what I was meaning. I will clarify in a PM. I have a couple of pictures of the bottle of Clavamox I will attach.

The pictures are exactly what I am seeing here. All the lesions have started as yellow and circular. They progress to getting hard and raising up and then so dried out, they are cracking and bleeding. The ones on his face are raised somewhat and starting to crack open around his eye. There is also one at the very tip of his tail that started bleeding this morning. There is no exude from these lesions at all that I have seen.

If you think the Clavamox I have, would be ok to give, I will put him back on it, (with the proper dosage). His mouth is a little swollen. I believe that is from the lesions on the left side of his face.

This baby is only 35g. He is not really gaining weight and always looks dehydrated, no matter how many times a day I hydrate him. His poops are really soft and grey colored.327572327573327574

I am so sorry to confuse you. I am exhausted and so worried about this baby boy.

[SamtheSquirrel2018]

Thank you Tnd5:
I'm sorry that you are being put through this. I just want to make sure before I would suggest using your current medication with a revised dosing. I know that you are busy and you have done everything that you were asked and unfortunately, I'm gong to ask one more thing of you! I found the Doo Clav on-line. It is manufactured by the Laborate Pharmaceutical Company in INDIA! I cannot see the details of you photo that gives the amounts of Amoxicillin ("amoxycillin") and clavulanate per a certain amount of the suspension as when I enlarge your photo it quickly becomes pixelated which obscures the details! I cannot be sure that I have found it on-line either as it appears that there may be more than one strength. Would you please try taking one more photo "close-up" of the side of the label with the amounts and what the unit is that they are suspended in; it appears to say "each 1ml (or each 5ml) of reconstituted suspension contains---" OR would you just type it out (this may be the best and easiest)? Once we know this, we can help you by calculating an appropriate dose and giving you dosing instructions! I am at work (as usual) but will check back as often as I am able!
Regards,
SamtheSquirrel


No bother at all! I obviously do not know what I am doing with this as I have never experienced nor seen it.

As far as mixing up my cc, ml, and mg, that is on me. My head knew what I meant, but my fingers did not type what I was meaning. I will clarify in a PM. I have a couple of pictures of the bottle of Clavamox I will attach.

The pictures are exactly what I am seeing here. All the lesions have started as yellow and circular. They progress to getting hard and raising up and then so dried out, they are cracking and bleeding. The ones on his face are raised somewhat and starting to crack open around his eye. There is also one at the very tip of his tail that started bleeding this morning. There is no exude from these lesions at all that I have seen.

If you think the Clavamox I have, would be ok to give, I will put him back on it, (with the proper dosage). His mouth is a little swollen. I believe that is from the lesions on the left side of his face.

This baby is only 35g. He is not really gaining weight and always looks dehydrated, no matter how many times a day I hydrate him. His poops are really soft and grey colored.327572327573327574

I am so sorry to confuse you. I am exhausted and so worried about this baby boy.

[supersquirrelgirl]

As Sam has questioned and maybe the PM to him will answer.......But....

Pictures are not clear but I think I read on front label in lower right corner - 3g/30ml ??

This is not 3mg/30ml but 1000X stronger.

[tnd5]

As Sam has questioned and maybe the PM to him will answer.......But....

Pictures are not clear but I think I read on front label in lower right corner - 3g/30ml ??

This is not 3mg/30ml but 1000X stronger.

Yes, supersquirrelgirl, it is 3g/30ml.

[tnd5]

Thank you Tnd5:
I'm sorry that you are being put through this. I just want to make sure before I would suggest using your current medication with a revised dosing. I know that you are busy and you have done everything that you were asked and unfortunately, I'm gong to ask one more thing of you! I found the Doo Clav on-line. It is manufactured by the Laborate Pharmaceutical Company in INDIA! I cannot see the details of you photo that gives the amounts of Amoxicillin ("amoxycillin") and clavulanate per a certain amount of the suspension as when I enlarge your photo it quickly becomes pixelated which obscures the details! I cannot be sure that I have found it on-line either as it appears that there may be more than one strength. Would you please try taking one more photo "close-up" of the side of the label with the amounts and what the unit is that they are suspended in; it appears to say "each 1ml (or each 5ml) of reconstituted suspension contains---" OR would you just type it out (this may be the best and easiest)? Once we know this, we can help you by calculating an appropriate dose and giving you dosing instructions! I am at work (as usual) but will check back as often as I am able!
Regards,
SamtheSquirrel

INDIA!!!! oh, my! I will try to get a better pic, but if not, I will type it all out in a PM.

[SamtheSquirrel2018]

Yes, supersquirrelgirl, it is 3g/30ml.

Let's NOT use this at least at this point as the specific details should be on the other side of the label where it states how much of each component is in a certain amount of the suspension! There are two components to this medication, the Amoxicillin and Clavulanate! We need to know how much of each. The little stamp of 3g/30ml will not be as accurate as what is on the other side of the label and may not really work out to be case when the concentrations are "mathed" out. This may add to the confusion. We'll need to see clearly what the full label states!
Thanks,
StS

[supersquirrelgirl]

Let's NOT use this at least at this point as the specific details should be on the other side of the label where it states how much of each component is in a certain amount of the suspension! There are two components to this medication, the Amoxicillin and Clavulanate! We need to know how much of each. The little stamp of 3g/30ml will not be as accurate as what is on the other side of the label and may not really work out to be case when the concentrations are "mathed" out. This may add to the confusion. We'll need to see clearly what the full label states!
Thanks,
StS

Got it. Sorry to jump in.....

[SamtheSquirrel2018]

Got it. Sorry to jump in.....

No problems at all, MrSSG! Please jump in at any time!
Regards,
StS

[tnd5]

Let's NOT use this at least at this point as the specific details should be on the other side of the label where it states how much of each component is in a certain amount of the suspension! There are two components to this medication, the Amoxicillin and Clavulanate! We need to know how much of each. The little stamp of 3g/30ml will not be as accurate as what is on the other side of the label and may not really work out to be case when the concentrations are "mathed" out. This may add to the confusion. We'll need to see clearly what the full label states!
Thanks,
StS

See if this is any clearer.327575327575

[SamtheSquirrel2018]

Thanks Tnd5! Please verify; it appears that the label states that "Each 5 ml of reconstituted suspension contains: Amoxicillin 200mg and Clavulanate 28.5mg"

It would be nice to know what the 3g/30ml means but it doesn't work out mathematically with the amoxicillin alone (if 5ml contains 200mg, then 30ml would contain 1200mg) or added to the clavulanate (5ml would contain 228.5 so 30ml would contain 1371). Please verify how much water the instructions said to add to the powder. Was it 30ml or a little less so that the water and the powder made 30ml of suspension? if so, then I suspect that the 3g/30ml on the front label implies that the powder with its medication and probably some "filler" material weighed 3g and this powder + filler was added to enough water to make 30ml of suspension. Again, please verify how you mixed this. When you do this, we can give you some dosing recommendations for your 35G baby Squirrel. As you apparently cannot obtain any other "fresh" antibiotics and this suspension was kept in the refrigerator and it is all that you have, we have no real options except to use this if antibiotics are to be continued!

Regards,
SamtheSquirrel

[tnd5]

Thanks Tnd5! Please verify; it appears that the label states that "Each 5 ml of reconstituted suspension contains: Amoxicillin 200mg and Clavulanate 28.5mg"

It would be nice to know what the 3g/30ml means but it doesn't work out mathematically with the amoxicillin alone (if 5ml contains 200mg, then 30ml would contain 1200mg) or added to the clavulanate (5ml would contain 228.5 so 30ml would contain 1371). Please verify how much water the instructions said to add to the powder. Was it 30ml or a little less so that the water and the powder made 30ml of suspension? if so, then I suspect that the 3g/30ml on the front label implies that the powder with its medication and probably some "filler" material weighed 3g and this powder + filler was added to enough water to make 30ml of suspension. Again, please verify how you mixed this. When you do this, we can give you some dosing recommendations for your 35G baby Squirrel. As you apparently cannot obtain any other "fresh" antibiotics and this suspension was kept in the refrigerator and it is all that you have, we have no real options except to use this if antibiotics are to be continued!

Regards,
SamtheSquirrel

Yes, it says each 5ml of reconstituted suspension contains 200mg Amoxicillin and 28.5mg of Clavulante.

The mixing directions on the bottle are as follows: "Add boiled and cooled water up the mark on the bottle and shake well. Adjust the volume up to the mark by adding more water if necessary. The reconstituted suspension should be stored in the refrigerator and used within 4 days of preparation."

I followed these directions exactly.

Hope this helps

tnd5

[SamtheSquirrel2018]

Yes, it says each 5ml of reconstituted suspension contains 200mg Amoxicillin and 28.5mg of Clavulante.

The mixing directions on the bottle are as follows: "Add boiled and cooled water up the mark on the bottle and shake well. Adjust the volume up to the mark by adding more water if necessary. The reconstituted suspension should be stored in the refrigerator and used within 4 days of preparation."

I followed these directions exactly.

Hope this helps

tnd5

Yes, thanks! I sent a PM to for dosing! How is your Squirrel doing today?
Regards,
StS

[tnd5]

Yes, thanks! I sent a PM to for dosing! How is your Squirrel doing today?
Regards,
StS

Thank you. He seems a bit more lethargic today. He is still eating and pottying. I am starting the antibiotic immediately. Praying it helps him.

tnd5

[supersquirrelgirl]

Glad the Amox/Clav solution is clear so the dose can be correct. Thank you Sam for keeping a clear mind to get concentration information. I always learn something from your post! :great

Tnd5,

I'm re-reading the entire thread. You indicated you pickup 2 babies. Does the other baby have any lesions or pimples ??

Did these lesions and pimples start to appear after you did intake ?? Could they be related to anything used for cleaning, dressing or food related ?? (thinking of some allergy or reaction) Anything different done between babies ?? Maybe bedding, blakets, laundry soap ??

This baby has been treated with betadine, antifungal cream, Baytril, Augmentin, ibuprofen, all this within last 7-10 days. Is it fair to say regarless of treatment, the lesions and pimples continue to spread ??

Just thinking out load here.....

[SamtheSquirrel2018]

Thank you. He seems a bit more lethargic today. He is still eating and pottying. I am starting the antibiotic immediately. Praying it helps him.

tnd5

Hi Tnd5:
I'm glad that you reviewed my PM! Going back to your baby Squirrel's diet; I made the assumption that may be wrong that the Goat's Milk Esbilac was being given in "transition" but if not and it is being continued; please make a change beginning TODAY where you transition to Esbilac POWDERED Puppy Milk Replacer (do NOT use the liquid)! Mix this with warm water as 1 part Esbilac to 2 parts of the warm water.

This formula is available at most pet-shops such as PetSmart and PetCo and even Tractor Supply! You mentioned in one of your posts that you were going to use Fox Valley 20/50 after 5 weeks and that is fine but even at 4 weeks (and Spanky transitions to half Esbilac Puppy Milk Replacer and half Fox Valley 20/50 at 3-1/2 weeks! or you can do what a number of us do and that is continue the mixed Esbilac Powdered Puppy Milk Replacer and combine this with and equal amount of the FV 20/50 in a 50:50 mixture. I would like to recommend getting away from the Goats milk products!

I would suggest utilizing a relatively short transition period where you use both the Goat Esbilac and the Esbilac Puppy Milk Replacer but decrease the portion of Goat's Milk Esbilac with each feeding while increasing the Esbilac Puppy Milk portion with each feeding and complete the transition over the next 48-72 hours so that your Squirrel is no longer getting fed the Goat's Milk and is using exclusively the Esbilac POWDERED Puppy Milk Replacer. Just as a suggestion, start now with 3/4 Goat Esbilac and 1/4 Esbilac Puppy Milk and continue to increase the percentage of the Puppy Milk Replacer and decrease the percentage of the Goat Esbilac maybe every other feeding. IF there is a significant change in consistency of the stool or actual diarrhea develops, this transition will need to be temporarily turned back a stage or two and slowed down as well. Hopefully this will not happen and go slow enough to minimize the likelihood of diarrhea developing!

Just so wee will know; are you weighing your baby every morning and calculating every feeding of formula for that day based upon the mornings weight and using somewhere in the ballpark of the 5%-7% "rule?" This is where you would give the amount of EACH feeding for the day based upon the weight of the Squirrel that morning. As an example, the current weight is 35 Grams. 5% of 35 is 1.75 and 7% of 35 is 2.45 so you would give somewhere between 2ml (rounding up) to 2.5 ml of formula with each feeding. Ideally, the feeding should be closer to the 7% side than the 5%! I am pasting a link to Henry's page on the preparation, amounts and frequencies of feeding as this should be very beneficial to you; https://henryspets.com/3-how-to-feed-a-baby-squirrel/

With the Amoxicillin plus Clavulanate, and the transition of formulas, it would be a good idea to also provide some Probiotics!

Regards,
SamtheSquirrel

[tnd5]

Glad the Amox/Clav solution is clear so the dose can be correct. Thank you Sam for keeping a clear mind to get concentration information. I always learn something from your post! :great

Tnd5,

I'm re-reading the entire thread. You indicated you pickup 2 babies. Does the other baby have any lesions or pimples ??

Did these lesions and pimples start to appear after you did intake ?? Could they be related to anything used for cleaning, dressing or food related ?? (thinking of some allergy or reaction) Anything different done between babies ?? Maybe bedding, blakets, laundry soap ??

This baby has been treated with betadine, antifungal cream, Baytril, Augmentin, ibuprofen, all this within last 7-10 days. Is it fair to say regarless of treatment, the lesions and pimples continue to spread ??

Just thinking out load here.....

Supersquirrel, The other baby is fine. No lesions or pimples. She is gaining weight, etc. Thank God for that!

Yes, even with all the treatment I was doing the lesions were continuing to spread. Thankfully, there are NO new ones today and few of the scabs are starting fall off with new pink skin under them!

[tnd5]

Hi Tnd5:
I'm glad that you reviewed my PM! Going back to your baby Squirrel's diet; I made the assumption that may be wrong that the Goat's Milk Esbilac was being given in "transition" but if not and it is being continued; please make a change beginning TODAY where you transition to Esbilac POWDERED Puppy Milk Replacer (do NOT use the liquid)! Mix this with warm water as 1 part Esbilac to 2 parts of the warm water.

This formula is available at most pet-shops such as PetSmart and PetCo and even Tractor Supply! You mentioned in one of your posts that you were going to use Fox Valley 20/50 after 5 weeks and that is fine but even at 4 weeks (and Spanky transitions to half Esbilac Puppy Milk Replacer and half Fox Valley 20/50 at 3-1/2 weeks! or you can do what a number of us do and that is continue the mixed Esbilac Powdered Puppy Milk Replacer and combine this with and equal amount of the FV 20/50 in a 50:50 mixture. I would like to recommend getting away from the Goats milk products!

I would suggest utilizing a relatively short transition period where you use both the Goat Esbilac and the Esbilac Puppy Milk Replacer but decrease the portion of Goat's Milk Esbilac with each feeding while increasing the Esbilac Puppy Milk portion with each feeding and complete the transition over the next 48-72 hours so that your Squirrel is no longer getting fed the Goat's Milk and is using exclusively the Esbilac POWDERED Puppy Milk Replacer. Just as a suggestion, start now with 3/4 Goat Esbilac and 1/4 Esbilac Puppy Milk and continue to increase the percentage of the Puppy Milk Replacer and decrease the percentage of the Goat Esbilac maybe every other feeding. IF there is a significant change in consistency of the stool or actual diarrhea develops, this transition will need to be temporarily turned back a stage or two and slowed down as well. Hopefully this will not happen and go slow enough to minimize the likelihood of diarrhea developing!

Just so wee will know; are you weighing your baby every morning and calculating every feeding of formula for that day based upon the mornings weight and using somewhere in the ballpark of the 5%-7% "rule?" This is where you would give the amount of EACH feeding for the day based upon the weight of the Squirrel that morning. As an example, the current weight is 35 Grams. 5% of 35 is 1.75 and 7% of 35 is 2.45 so you would give somewhere between 2ml (rounding up) to 2.5 ml of formula with each feeding. Ideally, the feeding should be closer to the 7% side than the 5%! I am pasting a link to Henry's page on the preparation, amounts and frequencies of feeding as this should be very beneficial to you; https://henryspets.com/3-how-to-feed-a-baby-squirrel/

With the Amoxicillin plus Clavulanate, and the transition of formulas, it would be a good idea to also provide some Probiotics!

Regards,
SamtheSquirrel

Thank you, SamtheSquirrel. I do have some regular Esbilac powder, but I think I will start transitioning to the FV 20/50, as they will be 4 weeks old in a couple of days. I have been giving probiotics at least once a day.

Something I have had in the back of my mind is, Do you think this little guy could be allergic to the GME?

Yes, I weigh each and every morning and feed 5% body weight. I will try to work up to 6%, but they seem really full and slow down nursing at 5%.

[SamtheSquirrel2018]

Thank you, SamtheSquirrel. I do have some regular Esbilac powder, but I think I will start transitioning to the FV 20/50, as they will be 4 weeks old in a couple of days. I have been giving probiotics at least once a day.

Something I have had in the back of my mind is, Do you think this little guy could be allergic to the GME?

Yes, I weigh each and every morning and feed 5% body weight. I will try to work up to 6%, but they seem really full and slow down nursing at 5%.

Thanks Tnd5!

Other concerns are that IF this baby is 4 weeks of age (on your post from 7/24 I believe you stated 2-1/2 to 3 weeks which may be closer) is that he is underweight! At 4 weeks, 75-80 Grams would not be at all unusual and your baby weighs only 35 Grams! Does your Squirrel have evidence of lower incisor development which usually begins at around the 3rd week? Hair growth beginning but obvious on belly and limbs at 4 weeks! Eyes open at 5 weeks. Please correlate weight and signs of age. He may not really be 4 weeks yet but is so, he is behind in growth OR is there any chance that your Scale is inaccurate? If the weight is accurate, he should be fed as if he was of the age that correlates best with the weight. Please check for definitive age related signs (such as the lower incisors coming in around the 3rd week). Although photos are often difficult to correlate to actual weight, he seems to appear more than 35 Grams of Squirrel! This is a major concern as weight MUST be accurate and should be correlated with known milestones of age! Also, frequency of feedings directly correlated with age and as we are discussing; the amount of formula that should be consumed is directly correlated to weight! 5% of an accurate body weight is the MINIMUM and while feeding should be carefully performed and all steps taken to prevent aspiration; at least 6 and preferably getting 7% of body weight in milliliters of formula consumed is closer to optimal!

Another thing to consider is the Temperature of the formula which should be quite warm and I would suggest using around 103-105 degrees F as a goal for temperature of the formula!

Good for the Probiotics!

An allergy to Goats milk is certainly possible but it will be far easier to suspect it after the fact and that is if the lesions tend to resolve (which I hope they will anyway!) after discontinuation of the Goat's Milk!

Please try to define age by identifying definitive physical evidence of known age related milestones such as eye opening at 5 weeks or the emergence of the lower incisors at around 3 weeks! Also, IMHO, it MUST be determined that your scales are ACCURATE. IF the scales and your baby weight are accurate, he should be fed according to his weight and not his age as he is behind in development at 35 Grams. I would also suggest that the Esbilac Goats milk formula be phased out beginning now regardless of any other factors but if he is really at 35 Grams (which is the weight of a 2 week baby), I would suggest using the Esbilac POWDERED Puppy Milk Replacer for at least another week or 10 days and see how the weight is coming along! Again, if the weight is accurate, I would recommend feeding the 5% (the very minimum!)-7% every 3 hours just as if he was 2-3 weeks old!

IF it is determined that your scales are inaccurate we will need to recompute not just your Squirrel's formula dose and frequency of feeding but also his antibiotic dosing!

Please check on your scales and for the physical signs that are age related and can help to determine your Baby's actual age!

Regards,
SamtheSquirrel

[SamtheSquirrel2018]

Hello again Tnd:
Do you know what species of Squirrel this Little One belongs to?
Regards,
StS

[tnd5]

Thanks Tnd5!

Other concerns are that IF this baby is 4 weeks of age (on your post from 7/24 I believe you stated 2-1/2 to 3 weeks which may be closer) is that he is underweight! At 4 weeks, 75-80 Grams would not be at all unusual and your baby weighs only 35 Grams! Does your Squirrel have evidence of lower incisor development which usually begins at around the 3rd week? Hair growth beginning but obvious on belly and limbs at 4 weeks! Eyes open at 5 weeks. Please correlate weight and signs of age. He may not really be 4 weeks yet but is so, he is behind in growth OR is there any chance that your Scale is inaccurate? If the weight is accurate, he should be fed as if he was of the age that correlates best with the weight. Please check for definitive age related signs (such as the lower incisors coming in around the 3rd week). Although photos are often difficult to correlate to actual weight, he seems to appear more than 35 Grams of Squirrel! This is a major concern as weight MUST be accurate and should be correlated with known milestones of age! Also, frequency of feedings directly correlated with age and as we are discussing; the amount of formula that should be consumed is directly correlated to weight! 5% of an accurate body weight is the MINIMUM and while feeding should be carefully performed and all steps taken to prevent aspiration; at least 6 and preferably getting 7% of body weight in milliliters of formula consumed is closer to optimal!

Another thing to consider is the Temperature of the formula which should be quite warm and I would suggest using around 103-105 degrees F as a goal for temperature of the formula!

Good for the Probiotics!

An allergy to Goats milk is certainly possible but it will be far easier to suspect it after the fact and that is if the lesions tend to resolve (which I hope they will anyway!) after discontinuation of the Goat's Milk!

Please try to define age by identifying definitive physical evidence of known age related milestones such as eye opening at 5 weeks or the emergence of the lower incisors at around 3 weeks! Also, IMHO, it MUST be determined that your scales are ACCURATE. IF the scales and your baby weight are accurate, he should be fed according to his weight and not his age as he is behind in development at 35 Grams. I would also suggest that the Esbilac Goats milk formula be phased out beginning now regardless of any other factors but if he is really at 35 Grams (which is the weight of a 2 week baby), I would suggest using the Esbilac POWDERED Puppy Milk Replacer for at least another week or 10 days and see how the weight is coming along! Again, if the weight is accurate, I would recommend feeding the 5% (the very minimum!)-7% every 3 hours just as if he was 2-3 weeks old!

IF it is determined that your scales are inaccurate we will need to recompute not just your Squirrel's formula dose and frequency of feeding but also his antibiotic dosing!

Please check on your scales and for the physical signs that are age related and can help to determine your Baby's actual age!

Regards,
SamtheSquirrel

Hi, StS, I checked my scale and reweighed this little boy. I also weighed various items, with known weight, to assure the accuracy. He is 35g. I know he is small. His incisors are in and his coat is smooth, not fuzzy anymore. I feed by weight only and feed every 3 hours, with hydration in between. Formula temp is good according to candy thermometer. So, I am guessing he is closer to 3 weeks of age? A lot of his scabs started falling off today.

Unfortunately, I found a lesion on his sister's mouth this afternoon. She is 45g and looks great. She came from the same place and finder and covered in the same dirt under the same tree. In my research I have found the incubation period is 7 days to 2 months! they have been seperated for 10 days. Can I put her with her brother in isolation? I am just devastated over this 2nd baby.

He is on full strength FV 20/50 at this point.

Thank you for your help!
tnd5

[tnd5]

Hello again Tnd:
Do you know what species of Squirrel this Little One belongs to?
Regards,
StS

We believe he and his sister are Fox squirrels or crosses of Fox/Gray.

[SamtheSquirrel2018]

Hi, StS, I checked my scale and reweighed this little boy. I also weighed various items, with known weight, to assure the accuracy. He is 35g. I know he is small. His incisors are in and his coat is smooth, not fuzzy anymore. I feed by weight only and feed every 3 hours, with hydration in between. Formula temp is good according to candy thermometer. So, I am guessing he is closer to 3 weeks of age? A lot of his scabs started falling off today.

Unfortunately, I found a lesion on his sister's mouth this afternoon. She is 45g and looks great. She came from the same place and finder and covered in the same dirt under the same tree. In my research I have found the incubation period is 7 days to 2 months! they have been seperated for 10 days. Can I put her with her brother in isolation? I am just devastated over this 2nd baby.

He is on full strength FV 20/50 at this point.

Thank you for your help!
tnd5

Thanks Tnd5! It sounds like you are opting for what I have always considered the best approach to utilizing a feeding protocol and that is to feed the babies according to weight and the age group that their actual weight would correspond to rather than to what might an optimal feeding protocol if the weight was consistent with the actual chronological age. The way you are managing feedings will give a "behind in development" baby the best chance to catch up and thrive! Good Job, Tnd5!

I'm very sorry to hear about the new lesion on Sister's mouth! Does it appear to be the similar? When you have a moment, would you please post a photo of Sister's lesion.

When you mention an incubation period, are you referring to Squirrel Pox or something else. If Squirrel Pox, you may very well be correct. What I have always assumed was that the incubation period is no more than 15 days based upon a study of sorts with captive bred Squirrels. In reality, determining an incubation period for wilds is impossible and even in with captive Squirrels in observation, it is still difficult to determine and it would need to be know when a particular Squirrel had the virus definitively transmitted! I would appreciate the opportunity to review any information you might possess about this Squirrel Pox! Thanks!

In a "sort of" answer to your question about putting these babies together, my opinion would be, at least for now to avoid it for several reasons. I am not sure that Brother has Pox and I am not sure that Sister does either BUT, if either does have Pox and the other does NOT, it can be spread to the one who is currently Pox-free! This also goes for other conditions that may be transmissible so I would again suggest that these two Little Ones be kept separate at least a bit longer. Just another comment for what it may be worth and that is that while there are often "classic" skin lesions for a particular skin disease or dermatologic manifestation of a systemic disease; there are variations and because of this; what may appear as similar lesions in different animals, the underlying cause may not actually be the same disease.

Thanks again for your devotion, love and the excellent, conscientious care you are providing to your Squirrels and thanks again for being here with us on TSB! You are helping others as much as much as or more than we may be helping you!

Please keep posting updates!

Regards,
SamtheSquirrel

[tnd5]

Thanks Tnd5! It sounds like you are opting for what I have always considered the best approach to utilizing a feeding protocol and that is to feed the babies according to weight and the age group that their actual weight would correspond to rather than to what might an optimal feeding protocol if the weight was consistent with the actual chronological age. The way you are managing feedings will give a "behind in development" baby the best chance to catch up and thrive! Good Job, Tnd5!

I'm very sorry to hear about the new lesion on Sister's mouth! Does it appear to be the similar? When you have a moment, would you please post a photo of Sister's lesion.

When you mention an incubation period, are you referring to Squirrel Pox or something else. If Squirrel Pox, you may very well be correct. What I have always assumed was that the incubation period is no more than 15 days based upon a study of sorts with captive bred Squirrels. In reality, determining an incubation period for wilds is impossible and even in with captive Squirrels in observation, it is still difficult to determine and it would need to be know when a particular Squirrel had the virus definitively transmitted! I would appreciate the opportunity to review any information you might possess about this Squirrel Pox! Thanks!

In a "sort of" answer to your question about putting these babies together, my opinion would be, at least for now to avoid it for several reasons. I am not sure that Brother has Pox and I am not sure that Sister does either BUT, if either does have Pox and the other does NOT, it can be spread to the one who is currently Pox-free! This also goes for other conditions that may be transmissible so I would again suggest that these two Little Ones be kept separate at least a bit longer. Just another comment for what it may be worth and that is that while there are often "classic" skin lesions for a particular skin disease or dermatologic manifestation of a systemic disease; there are variations and because of this; what may appear as similar lesions in different animals, the underlying cause may not actually be the same disease.

Thanks again for your devotion, love and the excellent, conscientious care you are providing to your Squirrels and thanks again for being here with us on TSB! You are helping others as much as much as or more than we may be helping you!

Please keep posting updates!

Regards,
SamtheSquirrel

I read the incubation period in the Wild Mammal Babies book.

I will keep the two separated for now.

I am posting pictures of Sister's lesion on the side of her mouth.

Thank you

tnd5327601327600327599

[SamtheSquirrel2018]

I read the incubation period in the Wild Mammal Babies book.

I will keep the two separated for now.

I am posting pictures of Sister's lesion on the side of her mouth.

Thank you

tnd5

Thanks Tnd5! Sister's facial lesion appears similar to Brother's! How are the antibiotic dosing going? I'm sure that you will be watching Sister and if you elect to try antibiotics with her in the furture, we will of course be here to help you as needed!
Regards,
SamtheSquirrel

[tnd5]

So far, so good. Numerous scabs have and are falling of little Brother. Most of the swelling is gone from his leg. The right dose of Clavamox seems to be helping tremendously.

Yes, little Sister's lesion looks exactly like the ones brother started with. I am keeping a very close eye on her and a non-related girl the same age, that was housed with Sister. I have all 3 babies in their own, separate enclosures now, to isolate them.

I will wait a day or two and see how sister's lesion progresses before starting the Clavamox. If she needs to go on it, I will definately double check with you on the dosage.

Thank you, tnd5

[tnd5]

So far, so good. Numerous scabs have and are falling of little Brother. Most of the swelling is gone from his leg. The right dose of Clavamox seems to be helping tremendously.

Yes, little Sister's lesion looks exactly like the ones brother started with. I am keeping a very close eye on her and a non-related girl the same age, that was housed with Sister. I have all 3 babies in their own, separate enclosures now, to isolate them.

I will wait a day or two and see how sister's lesion progresses before starting the Clavamox. If she needs to go on it, I will definately double check with you on the dosage.

Thank you, tnd5

LIttle Sister's lesion fell off today....ALREADY!!!!! Little Brother's are almost totally gone, too. Now, to get him caught up in his weight and body condition! Thank you so much SamtheSquirrel! You are the one that helped me to save this little guy



tnd5

[supersquirrelgirl]

Any idea what the skin lesion were caused by ?? it was much worse on boy than girl as you said. Anything done different or not done to girl ??

Mr.SSG

[SamtheSquirrel2018]

LIttle Sister's lesion fell off today....ALREADY!!!!! Little Brother's are almost totally gone, too. Now, to get him caught up in his weight and body condition! Thank you so much SamtheSquirrel! You are the one that helped me to save this little guy
tnd5

Thank you Tnd5! You did all the work and did it very well! It's of course not over yet but hopefully the original issues are heading well on toward resolution!

For what it's worth, I suspected the possibility of allergy from the "git-go" and even recommended trying some Benadryl and, further, the appearance of the lesions, scaly but otherwise normal appearing skin, and wide spread edema of an entire limb just didn't appear classically pox-like! If the lesions were manifestations of allergy; I would guess (just as you proposed as a possibility in one of your earlier posts and I responded by saying that it would be best supported by resolution of the lesions with discontinuation of the Goat's Milk Esbilac) it may very well be a hypersensitivity to the Goat's milk and/or ingredient(s) in this particular Esbilac formula! I have never used this particular formula and the only Esbilac Formula I do use is the POWDERED Esbilac Puppy Milk Replacer. I do not raise many babies compared with a number of others here on TSB; some of who raise more babies in one season than I have in my entire Squirreling life! I have not heard from others about their using the Esbilac Goat's Milk Formula but I would certainly like to hear from anyone who does! Many of us have used the Home Made Goat's Milk Formula (or some variation thereof) popularized in Henry's Pets Guide to Baby Squirrel Care;
Homemade Goat Milk Formula Plus (HGMF+):
3 tablespoons goat milk
3 tablespoons plain yogurt
2 tablespoons heavy cream
½ egg yolk ( personally, I do NOT use the egg when I make this preparation).

Please keep on with your updates on Big Sister and Little Brother (hopefully on his way to becoming a Bigger Brother)!

Regards,
SamtheSquirrel

[tnd5]

Thank you Tnd5! You did all the work and did it very well! It's of course not over yet but hopefully the original issues are heading well on toward resolution!

For what it's worth, I suspected the possibility of allergy from the "git-go" and even recommended trying some Benadryl and, further, the appearance of the lesions, scaly but otherwise normal appearing skin, and wide spread edema of an entire limb just didn't appear classically pox-like! If the lesions were manifestations of allergy; I would guess (just as you proposed as a possibility in one of your earlier posts and I responded by saying that it would be best supported by resolution of the lesions with discontinuation of the Goat's Milk Esbilac) it may very well be a hypersensitivity to the Goat's milk and/or ingredient(s) in this particular Esbilac formula! I have never used this particular formula and the only Esbilac Formula I do use is the POWDERED Esbilac Puppy Milk Replacer. I do not raise many babies compared with a number of others here on TSB; some of who raise more babies in one season than I have in my entire Squirreling life! I have not heard from others about their using the Esbilac Goat's Milk Formula but I would certainly like to hear from anyone who does! Many of us have used the Home Made Goat's Milk Formula (or some variation thereof) popularized in Henry's Pets Guide to Baby Squirrel Care;
Homemade Goat Milk Formula Plus (HGMF+):
3 tablespoons goat milk
3 tablespoons plain yogurt
2 tablespoons heavy cream
½ egg yolk ( personally, I do NOT use the egg when I make this preparation).

Please keep on with your updates on Big Sister and Little Brother (hopefully on his way to becoming a Bigger Brother)!

Regards,
SamtheSquirrel

Yes, little brother was much worse than little sister. Little sister only had the one lesion on the side of her nose and mouth.

I have used the GME on infants ever since the FV 32/40 killed several of my babies, (a few years), and never had a problem. I guess there is always an exception. I am suspecting that you are right and I was/am dealing with an allergy. Little brother started rapidly getting better once I switched them over to FV 20/50. It just seems so strange that it was only on one side of his body. He still has a couple lesions around the left eye and ear, but that is shrinking as I type. You did suggest an allergy and advised Benadryl. I neglected to do that, and I apologize. I was so frustrated, exhausted and overwhelmed, I forgot all about it.

I have learned my lesson on this and so much more through this experience. From now on, I will be using plain, powdered Esbilac or the homemade Goats Milk formula.

I will try to remember to take updated pictures in the morning and post them here.

Thank you,
tnd5

[tnd5]

Any idea what the skin lesion were caused by ?? it was much worse on boy than girl as you said. Anything done different or not done to girl ??

Mr.SSG

Mr. SSG, I have a suspicion it was/is an allergy to the GME I was feeding. Once I got them fully switched over to the FV 20/50 and put on Clavamox, (coincidence ?), the lesions started falling off.

[SamtheSquirrel2018]

Yes, little brother was much worse than little sister. Little sister only had the one lesion on the side of her nose and mouth.

I have used the GME on infants ever since the FV 32/40 killed several of my babies, (a few years), and never had a problem. I guess there is always an exception. I am suspecting that you are right and I was/am dealing with an allergy. Little brother started rapidly getting better once I switched them over to FV 20/50. It just seems so strange that it was only on one side of his body. He still has a couple lesions around the left eye and ear, but that is shrinking as I type. You did suggest an allergy and advised Benadryl. I neglected to do that, and I apologize. I was so frustrated, exhausted and overwhelmed, I forgot all about it.

I have learned my lesson on this and so much more through this experience. From now on, I will be using plain, powdered Esbilac or the homemade Goats Milk formula.

I will try to remember to take updated pictures in the morning and post them here.

Thank you,
tnd5

You have done very well Tnd5! Your Squirrels are fortunate to have you on their side!
Please continue the updates and maybe some updated photos!
Regards,
SamtheSquirrel

[supersquirrelgirl]

Mr. SSG, I have a suspicion it was/is an allergy to the GME I was feeding. Once I got them fully switched over to the FV 20/50 and put on Clavamox, (coincidence ?), the lesions started falling off.

Great to hear both babies are getting better. Really glad its not the dreaded pox! Wonder what could be in the GME that would cause allergic reaction. Keep up the good work.

Mr.SSG

[SamtheSquirrel2018]

Mr. SSG, I have a suspicion it was/is an allergy to the GME I was feeding. Once I got them fully switched over to the FV 20/50 and put on Clavamox, (coincidence ?), the lesions started falling off.

Hi Tnd5:
I don't believe all was a coincidence. The hind limb had significant edema and I suspect that there was a secondary infection at least there! I believe that the Amoxicillin plus Clavulanate was beneficial at that site and there may have been an infection beginning at some of the other crusted sites as well! I'm glad that the Antibiotic was utilized!
Regards,
StS

[tnd5]

Just a quick update. Little brother is doing very well. He is eating with more gusto, peeing and pooping great. He only has one more lesion scab to fall off and that is on the upper lid of his eye. He has gained 6 grams in the last few days. He is looking better, but still a bit behind his sister. When it gets to be about 30 minutes before time to eat, he starts his "mama" call.

Little sister's scab fell off the next day and you can't even tell it was there.

I am so very thankful to SamtheSquirrel,and all that chimed in and helped, for all the time and effort, (and patience), he gave me with this problem I had never seen before in my 10 years of rehabbing.

I am attaching an updated picture of little brother's leg now. So much better!

Thank you all!

tnd5327613327614

[SamtheSquirrel2018]

Thank you for the update, Tnd5! All is tremendous news! It sounds like Little Brother may break your scales soon! I'm glad he is gaining weight! This is, as you well know; a very good sign! Thank you for your kind comments but you did all of the work (well, you and your Squirrels) and you are a very conscientious, caring, and knowledgeable Rehabber! TSB exists to help those who may need or want it and for exchange of information between Squirrelers! I learn from every thread I read or become directly involved with and so do we all!
Please keep on with updates! I'm glad that your babies are well on their way to optimal outcomes!
Regards,
SamtheSquirrel

[SamtheSquirrel2018]

Hi Tnd5:
How are your little Squirrels doing?
Regards,
SamtheSquirrel

[tnd5]

Quick update. Little brother passed yesterday. He was gaining weight, eating great and all over recovering well. Then yesterday morning, he passed. It was like he just gave up.
tnd5

[SamtheSquirrel2018]

I am so sorry for your loss of Little Brother, Tnd5!

A death during convalescence is one the most devastating events in a Rehabber's life of caring for animals! This is a time when all of the emergent and urgent issues are addressed and it appears that the Squirrel is on his way to recovery when seemingly out of the blue, he passes! It is so unexpected and so difficult in most cases to reconcile or determine the cause or causes for the death; coupled with the gut-punch of this happening in the first place; it is truly tragic! Many, if not most of us, have had such deaths occur during the "recovery" period! Many things can go on "behind the scenes," so to speak, while a Squirrel is being treated for an injury and/or a medical condition. Even steady evidence of improvement or even complete resolution does not rule-out inapparent problems that mat exist such as kidney damage leading to kidney failure, development of sepsis, stress reactions similar in part to capture myopathy and a host of other possibilities. Almost never can we know if anything is going on in the "background" that might be destined to result in a setback or unexpected death! Fortunately, most of the time, when a Squirrel seems to be getting better, it will be as it appears and all will be "good," but obviously not always!

You did a tremendous job with Little Brother and are doing a great job with Little Sister! You did nothing wrong and there is no blame to be cast anyway; this is just nature! You gave Little Brother something that most wild animals never receive and that is love! Little Brother crossed the Rainbow Bridge knowing and feeling your love for him and he is now scampering through the Forever Trees, talking with our Squirrels who have passed before him! I wish Peace for you, Tnd5 and please visit here on TSB frequently!

RIP Little Brother! You are loved very much!

Regards,
SamtheSquirrel

[supersquirrelgirl]

Such sad news. I'm quite shocked as everything was going positive. You did everything to help this little boy. Sometimes this happens for strange reasons. I'm sure his siter will missing him. God bless Little Brother and you tnd5!