Baytril math help

[NaturesGift]

ok my turkey has had a respiratory infection for a while and we have been using the Doxycyclene (as told by a poulty forum) Well its not working so we gave our turkey a break and I have researched the use of Baytril and it will be fine. Here is my problem.

accrording to what I read and his weight.. he needs 5 mg a day.

I only have the pill form. and they are 68mg each. :dono :thinking

I know a bunch of you are good at math or you are very crafty and creative in reconstitution. . . my mind is mush. :sanp3 for today anyways.

[hazel]

5 mg/24hr OR 5mg x 2 for a total of 10mg/24hr? I ask because Baytril is usually given twice a day.

Also, what does your turkey weigh?

[NaturesGift]

actually rereading the website im confused:thinking

ok He/she (dunno yet) weighs 12 pounds or 5443 grams. I bought her from hatchery at a day old.

[NaturesGift]

this is what it says

Chickens and turkeys are dosed at 10 mg enrofloxacin per kg bodyweight for 3 to 5 consecutive days.

[hazel]

OK, here's what I got from the vet I just spoke with.......dissolve one 68mg tablet in 1 1/3 liter (5 2/3 cups) water and use as the turkey's drinking water for 5 days. Make fresh daily. I'd also stir the water several times a day. Also, there's no need to go to the trouble of grinding the pill - just quarter it, drop the pieces in the water and it will dissolve in approximately 15 minutes.

Hope this does the trick for your friend :) .

[TexanSquirrel]

I know! I know! I know! Ask my calculations teacher!!!!!
I'll email her and get it back to you stat...in the meanwhile I'll give it a try...

[TexanSquirrel]

Are you sure it's 5 mg?


10 mg/kg
turkey is 12 pounds = 5.4545kg

I'm getting a dose of 54.545mg
Which is 0.8 tabs

Maybe? hmmm?

If it is 5mg, then compounding pharmacy I called says your really going to have it compounded to get that small of a dose....

[TexanSquirrel]

OK, here's what I got from the vet I just spoke with.......dissolve one 68mg tablet in 1 1/3 liter (5 2/3 cups) water and use as the turkey's drinking water for 5 days. Make fresh daily. I'd also stir the water several times a day. Also, there's no need to go to the trouble of grinding the pill - just quarter it, drop the pieces in the water and it will dissolve in approximately 15 minutes.

Hope this does the trick for your friend :) .

How much does a turkey drink a day?

[TexanSquirrel]

"I have a friend who has a turkey that needs some enrofloxacin. The dose is 10mg/kg and the turkey weighs 12 pounds.

What I've done is changed pounds to kg (5.4545kg) and multiplied this by the 10mg/kg to get a dose of 54.545mg per day.

She has 68mg tabs, so she needs to give 0.8 tablets (54.5454mg/68mg per tab).

Assuming all the above is correct, could she dissolve one tablet in 10mL of water and give 8mL?

Thanks! "

That's what I sent...hopefully we'll hear back soon!

[TexanSquirrel]

"Assuming that the tablet will dissolve in water, your calculations are spot on!

Good Luck!"

Now remember this is just help with a calculation, not a recommendation or guarantee of any sort...

[NaturesGift]

ok I had a blond freeze up in which I stared at the screen and was like...what!

ok it took a second

this is what I do right.?

dissolve one tablet in 10mL of water and give 8ml. ?

thank you for putting up with me and my mushy mind.! Give me a day or two and it will be ok!

[Mars]

no no no whoa

Something isn't jiving here

8ml is 80% of the 68mg = hell of a lot more than 5

[TexanSquirrel]

That's the problem, what is the dose? 5mg or 55mg?

[NaturesGift]

I could cry! I dunno! I thought it was 5.

ok maybe I shoudl start over?

[NaturesGift]

ok starting over. I think its safer if I do b/c my mind like i said has been mush.

ok.

I found this site where you type in the amout of turkeys then the weight. in this case it was one turkey who was 12 pounds or 5443grams. It was 5443.108 g but the webs site rounded it or something :dono

this is the answer it gave me.
daily dose of 10 mg active/kg bodyweight, is: 0.544 ml

:dono

[NaturesGift]

does it matter that it says

The daily amount of Baytril 10% oral solution required to medicate the flock, based on a daily dose of 10 mg active/kg bodyweight, is: 0.544 ml

I thinks its talking about it already being reconstituted or whatever.

:thumbsup so glad mars and texensquirrel are here!

[TexanSquirrel]

You have to tell us the dose.

Where did you get the 5mg?

Where did you get 10mg/kg?

[NaturesGift]

this is why I hate math!

ok.. hold on

[NaturesGift]

ok sorry for the confusion. I figured it out. sorta.

http://www.poultry.baytril.com/21/Dosage_Calculator.htm

the medicine they are talking about is already reconstituted.

[Mars]

let me ask this. Is the question "how do I divide a 68mg tablet to give only a 5mg dose" or "what should I be dosing a 12 pound turkey?"?

[NaturesGift]

let me ask this. Is the question "how do I divide a 68mg tablet to give only a 5mg dose" or "what should I be dosing a 12 pound turkey?"?


ok I thinks its safe to say the question is how do I dose a 12 pound turkey

[NaturesGift]

OH Jeez....Sorry Mandie, I'm staying away from this thread. :tilt :tilt :tilt :tilt :sanp3


dont like math I take it? lol

[FLUFFYTAILNUT]

:::running away::: I hate numbers::: unless...
It's money:::::
Sorry..I'll shut up now...I thought I'd brake the tension::::
::::Rachel::::walking away::quietly:::::::poke

[TexanSquirrel]

does it matter that it says

The daily amount of Baytril 10% oral solution required to medicate the flock, based on a daily dose of 10 mg active/kg bodyweight, is: 0.544 ml

I thinks its talking about it already being reconstituted or whatever.

:thumbsup so glad mars and texensquirrel are here!

I think that's it.

Here's my reasoning...

Drugs are typically solid, so when you see a % it's typically weight to volume, and it's defined as grams of the substance over 100mL.

So 10% is 10 grams over 100mL. If you set up a proportion, you have...

10g/100mL = xg/0.544mL

Solve for x and you have 0.0544g.

Convert that to milligrams...

(0.0544g x 1000mg) / 1 g = 54.4 mg

You wanted 10mg/kg for a 12 pound turkey.

There are 2.2 pounds in one kg, so the turkey is 5.4545kg
Multiply 5.4545kg by 10mg/kg

You get 54.5454mg needed

Mars?

[NaturesGift]

I think that's it.

Here's my reasoning...

Drugs are typically solid, so when you see a % it's typically weight to volume, and it's defined as grams of the substance over 100mL.

So 10% is 10 grams over 100mL. If you set up a proportion, you have...

10g/100mL = xg/0.544mL

Solve for x and you have 0.0544g.

Convert that to milligrams...

(0.0544g x 1000mg) / 1 g = 54.4 mg

You wanted 10mg/kg for a 12 pound turkey.

There are 2.2 pounds in one kg, so the turkey is 5.4545kg
Multiply 5.4545kg by 10mg/kg

You get 54.5454mg needed

Mars?

you made my Jaw drop! ] though im not studying to be a doctor:thumbsup

now how do I do it with a 68 mg pill.

[TexanSquirrel]

Now we've got the real question....

[NaturesGift]

Now we've got the real question....


lol !... Mars!?

[NaturesGift]

:::running away::: I hate numbers::: unless...
It's money:::::
Sorry..I'll shut up now...I thought I'd brake the tension::::
::::Rachel::::walking away::quietly:::::::poke


No need to shut up.. though you do talk alot:poke lol J/K you have made a ton of posts. keep it up and you may catch up to me.. or ..... Gammas:crazy

[Mars]

The formula in my book looks like this

weight x dose x strength = one dose

So
5.44kg/1bird x 10mg/kg x 1cc/68mg = .8cc

So if I'm no completely off my rocker you disolve the 68 mg tablet in 10cc of water and give 0.8cc/ dose.


:dono :thinking :dono

[TexanSquirrel]

All right...

So, if we convert our 10 grams to mg, we get 10,000mg
So a 10% solution will have 10,000mg over 100 mL

Set up a proportion...
10,000mg/100mL = 68mg/xmL

Solve for x, you have 0.68mL

So 68mg in 0.68 mL is your 10% solution...

So then you would give 0.544ml of the 10% solution...

Mars? Lynn? I know you're on here....

[NaturesGift]

The formula in my book looks like this

weight x dose x strength = one dose

So
5.44kg/1bird x 10mg/kg x 1cc/68mg = .8cc

So if I'm no completely off my rocker you disolve the 68 mg tablet in 10cc of water and give 0.8cc/ dose.


:dono :thinking :dono


thank you!!! your not of your rocker:thumbsup . your better at math then me!

thank you!!! so its just once a day?

[LynninIN]

If the turkey dosage is 10 mg/kg per day in 2 divided dosages. And the turkey weighs 5.443 kg. Dissolve the tablet in 10 ml of water and give the turkey 4 ml of the solution twice a day. For once a day dosing it would be 8 ml.

1 cc = 1 ml

[Mars]

Wait till the others chime in and check my math

Let's be sure and careful please:)

[TexanSquirrel]

The formula in my book looks like this

weight x dose x strength = one dose

So
5.44kg/1bird x 10mg/kg x 1cc/68mg = .8cc

So if I'm no completely off my rocker you disolve the 68 mg tablet in 10cc of water and give 0.8cc/ dose.


:dono :thinking :dono

One of us is off by a factor of ten...

[Mars]

TS looks like you had it right the first time you just left the decimal off. :)

[TexanSquirrel]

Mars...

Your formula says...

5.44kg/1bird x 10mg/kg x 1cc/68mg = .8cc

So 5.44kg x 10mg/kg = 54.4 mg needed

Wait...you're doing it with 1cc and I did it with 10...So we're both right, but I think you may have a hard time dissolving the pill in such a small volume...

[NaturesGift]

Wait till the others chime in and check my math

Let's be sure and careful please:)


ok!

I have it dissolving in 10cc.

I crushed it butu the purple outer shell wont dissolve. Ill wait b/c one of you said it will take a while.

[NaturesGift]

Mars...

Your formula says...

5.44kg/1bird x 10mg/kg x 1cc/68mg = .8cc

So 5.44kg x 10mg/kg = 54.4 mg needed

Wait...you're doing it with 1cc and I did it with 10...So we're both right, but I think you may have a hard time dissolving the pill in such a small volume...


I thought so to so I crushed it. just the outer purple shell is left so far.


thanks everyone!

[LynninIN]

The formula in my book looks like this

weight x dose x strength = one dose

So
5.44kg/1bird x 10mg/kg x 1cc/68mg = .8cc

So if I'm no completely off my rocker you disolve the 68 mg tablet in 10cc of water and give 0.8cc/ dose.


:dono :thinking :dono
Mars your dosage would be correct if you dissolved the tablet in 1 cc of water.

The turkey is 5.4 kg the dosage is 10 mg per kg that is 54 mg per day which is 80 % of the 68 mg tablet.

[TexanSquirrel]

"I have a friend who has a turkey that needs some enrofloxacin. The dose is 10mg/kg and the turkey weighs 12 pounds.

What I've done is changed pounds to kg (5.4545kg) and multiplied this by the 10mg/kg to get a dose of 54.545mg per day.

She has 68mg tabs, so she needs to give 0.8 tablets (54.5454mg/68mg per tab).

Assuming all the above is correct, could she dissolve one tablet in 10mL of water and give 8mL?

Thanks! "

That's what I sent...hopefully we'll hear back soon!

My teacher and I agree with Lynn...

[NaturesGift]

o my. ill wait before I give it to the turkey.

[TexanSquirrel]

ok!

I have it dissolving in 10cc.

I crushed it butu the purple outer shell wont dissolve. Ill wait b/c one of you said it will take a while.

Of course all of these calculations neglected to take into account the pharmaceutics of the matter...The coating may be there for a reason, but I think if Baytril is also given as a liquid we should be okay. Just peel it off - the turkey doesn't need that.

[NaturesGift]

Of course all of these calculations neglected to take into account the pharmaceutics of the matter...The coating may be there for a reason, but I think if Baytril is also given as a liquid we should be okay. Just peel it off - the turkey doesn't need that.

ok.

[NaturesGift]

Of course all of these calculations neglected to take into account the pharmaceutics of the matter...The coating may be there for a reason, but I think if Baytril is also given as a liquid we should be okay. Just peel it off - the turkey doesn't need that.


its a mute point its a purple fluid now :D

[TexanSquirrel]

If you're really worried, and you have long distance on your phone, I can give you the number of a compounding pharmacy that does this all the time...

[NaturesGift]

If you're really worried, and you have long distance on your phone, I can give you the number of a compounding pharmacy that does this all the time...

not worried I think we got it

4ccs twice a day or 8ccs once.

[LynninIN]

not worried I think we got it

4ccs twice a day or 8ccs once.

:thumbsup

The purple was the protective coating that breaks down when it hits the stomach.

[Mars]

:thumbsup :grouphug

:rotfl :rotfl :rotfl

[TexanSquirrel]

Glad we got it figured out. Good work, team!

I think I've used up my alloted squirrel time for a couple days so don't be suprised if you don't see me. I'll change Teal'c's thread so that it'll email me if someone posts, so if you need me or just get to missing me terribly :crazy you can get my attention that way...

Take care!

[NaturesGift]

thank you eveyone!!!!!!!!!!! should I keep the leftovers in the fridge?

Ill be buying more pills in the morning. !

[NaturesGift]

Glad we got it figured out. Good work, team!

I think I've used up my alloted squirrel time for a couple days so don't be suprised if you don't see me. I'll change Teal'c's thread so that it'll email me if someone posts, so if you need me or just get to missing me terribly :crazy you can get my attention that way...

Take care!

yes a very good team!

lol ! will do!

[TexanSquirrel]

thank you eveyone!!!!!!!!!!! should I keep the leftovers in the fridge?

. !

That's one you'd have to ask a real pharmacist...or at least someone who knows about the stability of Baytril in water....

[LynninIN]

Air tight container that doesn't allow light through (old clean prescription bottle) stored in frig. :)

[LynninIN]

The Baytril will settle to the bottom so shake it up really good before you use it again.

[NaturesGift]

thanks everyone!

[Apple Corps]

NaturesGift - I confirmed the poultry independent of anything I read in this thread. Cutting to the chase - you can administer a full pill (68mg) and not worry about it.

How are you administering the Baytril?? Please PM me in the morning so I remember to look for your answer.

Here are the charts - what is the confusion LOL :thinking :thinking :thinking :thinking

[TexanSquirrel]

From my other professor....

"Yes, it if dissolves.



She will dose immediately, right? I don’t know about that drug stability.



What flavor do turkeys like?"

[TexanSquirrel]

Can we get a pic of the patient? :crazy

[NaturesGift]

NaturesGift - I confirmed the poultry independent of anything I read in this thread. Cutting to the chase - you can administer a full pill (68mg) and not worry about it.

How are you administering the Baytril?? Please PM me in the morning so I remember to look for your answer.

Here are the charts - what is the confusion LOL :thinking :thinking :thinking :thinking

now im confused.

ok I am dissolving the pill (68mg) into 10 ccs and orally giving 4ccs twice a day.

[NaturesGift]

From my other professor....

"Yes, it if dissolves.



She will dose immediately, right? I don’t know about that drug stability.



What flavor do turkeys like?"


I guess anything but turkey flavered!
I gave her/him some last night and this evening.

[NaturesGift]

Can we get a pic of the patient? :crazy


yeah I have an old on. :D

http://www.poultry.baytril.com/21/Dosage_Calculator.htm

lol

but if you want a new one I can get it. :) her eye is all swollen. *ick*

[TexanSquirrel]

Could you post the pic or link on this tread?

[NaturesGift]

oops. I cut and paste wrong. :dono

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z73/Naturesgift/turkeyandpigeon007.jpg

[Apple Corps]

NaturesGift - that works so long as Ol Gobbler is drinking the water. Would your turkey's eating habits allow the pill to be "gobbled" up somehow - a lot easier than all the liquid approach. Also - tests showed a 2 day regimen was almost as good as a 5 day regimen.

[NaturesGift]

NaturesGift - that works so long as Ol Gobbler is drinking the water. Would your turkey's eating habits allow the pill to be "gobbled" up somehow - a lot easier than all the liquid approach. Also - tests showed a 2 day regimen was almost as good as a 5 day regimen.

would I just give him the whole pill? I could break it in four and easly get him to swallow it. (I mean 1/2 in the morning..half at night)

[TexanSquirrel]

would I just give him the whole pill? I could break it in four and easly get him to swallow it. (I mean 1/2 in the morning..half at night)

That would overdose him. We already figured out how much of the pill he should get (80% a day), so just letting him eat the entire pill would be a 20% overdose.

Does he eat some sort of pelleted food that would absorb the medicine/water mixture? When I had to get Teal'c to take some pineapple juice for hairballs I let it soak into a few pellets and didn't feed him anything else until he ate it (took about 10 minutes lol). Could/would he eat some apple sauce with it mixed in?

[Apple Corps]

That amount of "overdose" is not clinically significant - especially on a two or three day regimen. I would cut the tablet in half and get it down her 1/2 in the morning and 1/2 in the evening.