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Snicker Bar
05-28-2022, 09:30 AM
The one that was posted under the Emergency section has come a long way. It’s still got a severe head tilt but can move on all fours now. Weighs about 70 g or so.

Just asking, because can’t find much in breed specific section,

Can a chipmunk be happy as a NR?

If so, what kind of set up do they need? Are they social like a flyer? Need a lot of attention ?

Is diet same as for a squirrel? Flyer?

Charley Chuckles
05-28-2022, 10:32 AM
I'm not sure of diet but I have know people who had NR chippys and they were sociable.
Guess like Squirrels they all have different personalities.

Diggie's Friend
05-28-2022, 07:31 PM
B-12 liquid (Methylcobalamin & Adenocobalamin) (bioidentical forms of B 12), found to lessen permanent nerve damage from TBI in rats.

(1) needle drop from (1 cc) (1 ml) syringe daily in food, provides 6.5 IU B 12.

Tuff
05-28-2022, 10:36 PM
B-12 liquid (Methylcobalamin & Adenocobalamin) (bioidentical forms of B 12), found to lessen permanent nerve damage from TBI in rats.

(1) needle drop from (1 cc) (1 ml) syringe daily in food, provides 6.5 IU D3.

How did you come up with that? She has head trauma, (sever head tilt still). When she wants to take off she cork screws. Where is the documentation to support this. I am her care giver along with Marie, I am sure there is something out there that can help us give her a long term life as an NR. We are more concerned about food, what to feed. She will eat boo ball, and formula at this time. She does use her front legs but she has to be laying just right to hold her food. We are also still giving her pred but this is the 5th day and we have seen little improvement. Just wondering where the documentation is for the B12 dosage. Just wondering how you calculated this dosage?

Diggie's Friend
05-29-2022, 11:09 PM
I'm not saying it would reverse this condition, yet when given soon after an injury it has been found to reduce permanent symptoms in rats. This of course depends on the severity of the injury. in any injury stress increases, Vitamin B 12 reduces stress in rodents. Beyond this there is documentation in rats that These forms of B12 reduce the extent of traumatic brain injury in rats, which I will be glad to PM if you would like to review it.

Tuff
05-29-2022, 11:36 PM
I'm not saying it would reverse this condition, yet when given soon after an injury it has been found to reduce permanent symptoms in rats. This of course depends on the severity of the injury. in any injury stress increases, Vitamin B 12 reduces stress in rodents. Beyond this there is documentation in rats that These forms of B12 reduce the extent of traumatic brain injury in rats, which I will be glad to PM if you would like to review it.

I did a little research once you said that it would help with brain injuries. I did read that when a rat had a stroke there was improvement in their condition after giving B12 but they never said at what dose or what the host weighed at the time. My concern is what it could do to my host, Chipper, she is making small improvements daily by giving Pred. Again I’m curious to how you came up with the dosage amount? Where did you get that from?

Diggie's Friend
05-30-2022, 12:48 AM
The data on daily lab rat requirements is what I referenced for the dose, as it is just a bit higher than that for rats. It is though, low by comparison to the dose used in research studies in rodents.

I've recommended this in many cases because it reduces the stress of capture and pain of injuries. It is the natural form that the body is well able to utilize.

Please know, that I'm not in the least suggesting not to treat with appropriate meds for TBI. B-12 has been found to lessen stress from injury and to some degree reduce nerve pain.


In a research studies on TBI in rodents, vitamin B-12 was noted to be given in a high dose. The amount I shared is a very low dose, moreover to help reduce and pain from TBI. This source also lends support for ongoing care, being a vital nutrient that has been found to improve and lessen the damage from TBI. Wanting to be sensitive; because I don't post these studies because they involve the sacrifice of rodents to have supported; but also because they are moreover highly technical. Even so, the conclusions are not so difficult to understand. The following are excerpts of the conclusions of one such study on TBI in laboratory rodents.


'Vitamin B12-treated groups showed less tissue damage and neuronal apoptosis,, indicating that vitamin B12 reduced tissue damage, protected neurons in the cortex and ameliorated the pathological morphology of the lesion area after TBI...'


"these results revealed that vitamin B12 promoted myelin regeneration after TBI."

Another squirrel here, recently was found with a brain injury resulting in circling. With much care and support, the squirrel fully recovered and was released. Not saying all will; yet you may want to contact this member for advice towards that goal going forward. I posted on this same thread on diet suggestions. See PM for link to thread.

https://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?68010-Adult-Fox-Squirrel-Showing-signs-of-neuro-leaning-to-side-head-down

Tuff
05-30-2022, 10:09 PM
The data on daily lab rat requirements is what I referenced for the dose, as it is just a bit higher than that for rats. It is though, low by comparison to the dose used in research studies in rodents.

I've recommended this in many cases because it reduces the stress of capture and pain of injuries. It is the natural form that the body is well able to utilize.

Please know, that I'm not in the least suggesting not to treat with appropriate meds for TBI. B-12 has been found to lessen stress from injury and to some degree reduce nerve pain.


In a research studies on TBI in rodents, vitamin B-12 was noted to be given in a high dose. The amount I shared is a very low dose, moreover to help reduce and pain from TBI. This source also lends support for ongoing care, being a vital nutrient that has been found to improve and lessen the damage from TBI. Wanting to be sensitive; because I don't post these studies because they involve the sacrifice of rodents to have supported; but also because they are moreover highly technical. Even so, the conclusions are not so difficult to understand. The following are excerpts of the conclusions of one such study on TBI in laboratory rodents.





Another squirrel here, recently was found with a brain injury resulting in circling. With much care and support, the squirrel fully recovered and was released. Not saying all will; yet you may want to contact this member for advice towards that goal going forward. I posted on this same thread on diet suggestions. See PM for link to thread.

https://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?68010-Adult-Fox-Squirrel-Showing-signs-of-neuro-leaning-to-side-head-down

I read the post and we are doing exactly as recommended in that post by giving her steroids daily. She is improving everyday. I will be picking her up Tuesday afternoon just to let you know. Have a good day.