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jcridge
08-08-2020, 02:39 PM
Hello,

First time poster. Glad I found this forum. I little background. I grew up on a farm that raised all kinds of animals (chickens, goats, parrots, dogs, cattle) but I've never attempted to rehabilitate a squirrel.

Last Saturday my son was out running and came across baby squirrels laying on the side walk. There were two boys and later we found a girl. They appeared to have fallen out of the nest some time earlier that day as one of the boys had already passed and the girl was very bad shape. The second boy, that I have now, was in the best shape but dehydrated. Rather than leave him on the sidewalk or in the area (it was later afternoon) we decided to take him and call a rehabilitation center. From looking at pictures online I estimate he was just barely two weeks old (if that) when we found him.

Once we got him home we got some pedialyte into him. We called two rehabilitation centers in the area, but got voicemail for both of them. Left our details and expected a call back. No call came that day or the next. We followed up again and still no call back. Not sure why, perhaps because of COVID they are not operating at the moment. So I started a crash course on what to do to try and keep this little guy alive.

He has been on Esbiliac powder (expiration date 10/21) since Sunday. Mixed one part powder to two parts water (I've since learned I should have started with more water). We started a little bit of formula at a time with feeding him and slowly began to give him more with each feeding. We've been feeding him every two hours (or as close to that as possible). He ate well at first but then became lethargic on Monday and Tuesday and began losing weight. We could see it visually as I didn't have a scale at that time. I do now. On Tuesday evening he aspirated a little while trying to feed him. On Wednesday he continued to be lethargic and ate poorly, but he continued to eat. I would slowly put a drop of formula in his mouth, wait for him to swallow, and so on until he would stop eating. On Thursday, my scale arrived and I could start weighing him. Since then I have been tracking feeding date, time, amount, weight before feeding, whether he eliminates #1 and #2, and then any observations. I'm feeding him with a miracle nipple. Since Wednesday he has slowly began to gain weight again, but on Friday morning during his early morning feeding I noticed a clicking with his breathing. Looking this up and learned it could be aspiration caused pneumonia. I quickly made an appointment at a local exotic pet vet in the area and the vet confirmed the clicking and put him on antibiotics. He also suggested I try to hydrate him more between feedings with water or pedialtye. This was Friday afternoon. Friday night his appearance and appetite continued to improve and he has continued to gain weight. That brings us to today (Saturday 8/8). He continues to eat fairly well and is gaining weight slowly. I should also add that he has been very good at urinating and defecating during the past week (I stimulate both of these before and after each feeding). At first his stool was loose, but now it is firmer and the color and consistency of carmel.

As this is all very new to me I'm hoping someone can help me with some questions I have.

1. I've had him on Esbiliac puppy milk (powder) replacer, but I've read this might not be good for him (I've found contradictory advice across the Internet). Then I read if the expiration date on the can is 10/21 or later it should be OK. Should I continue feeding him the Esbiliac?

2. I ordered some Fox Valley 32/40 for him as I'd read on other sites that it was good for baby squirrels, but I learned here it could be bad for him. Is this still the case that Fox Valley 32/40 is bad for baby squirrels under 4 weeks old?

3. Sometimes he eats really well and is very interested in eating. It is very encouraging when he eats well. But then later in the day or night he seems very disinterested in eating and I have to really work to get anything into him. Is this normal for baby squirrels?

4. In between some meals I've been giving him a little bit of regular, filtered, water. Say 0.3-0.5cc, to help with his hydration. I've read this can also help with the digestion of powdered milk formula. Is this a good practice? Should I continue doing this?

5 I measure he weight before each feeding. For the most part his weight has increased between each feeding, but some times it goes down a little bit (tenths of a gram) and then on the subsequent feeding it increases again. Is this normal or should he be gaining weight between each feeding?

Any other pointers are welcome. Thanks.

John

Spanky
08-08-2020, 03:56 PM
:Welcome to TSB!

Here is a 6 page long primer on squirrel care that you may find helpful:
https://www.henryspets.com/1-baby-squirrel-care-guide/


1. I've had him on Esbiliac puppy milk (powder) replacer, but I've read this might not be good for him (I've found contradictory advice across the Internet). Then I read if the expiration date on the can is 10/21 or later it should be OK. Should I continue feeding him the Esbiliac?

I have not been using the Esbilac since the issues that came up last fall, so I will defer to others to answer this question... but I will share this info. Regardless of the formula used, mix it up hours in advance with very hot water (not boiling, hot as the tap will run kind of hot)... ideally it will sit overnight before feeding it. This allows the powder to more fully dissolve, which is important. Throw out any formula that is warmed for feeding but not used.


2. I ordered some Fox Valley 32/40 for him as I'd read on other sites that it was good for baby squirrels, but I learned here it could be bad for him. Is this still the case that Fox Valley 32/40 is bad for baby squirrels under 4 weeks old?

If he was 2 weeks when you got him and he is 3 weeks now, I would suggest you not use the 32/40 BUT I would order the Fox Valley 20/50 which is for older babies. I usually switch them to the Fox Valley at 3.5 - 4 weeks.


3. Sometimes he eats really well and is very interested in eating. It is very encouraging when he eats well. But then later in the day or night he seems very disinterested in eating and I have to really work to get anything into him. Is this normal for baby squirrels?

Are you watching his milk line? How often are you feeding him, how much does her weigh and how much does he generally eat with each feeding? Sorry to asnwer the question with a question, but all of this info is relevant to your question.


4. In between some meals I've been giving him a little bit of regular, filtered, water. Say 0.3-0.5cc, to help with his hydration. I've read this can also help with the digestion of powdered milk formula. Is this a good practice? Should I continue doing this?

Hydration never hurts as long as it is not too much (and this is not). https://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/images/smilies/2thumbs.gif


5. I measure he weight before each feeding. For the most part his weight has increased between each feeding, but some times it goes down a little bit (tenths of a gram) and then on the subsequent feeding it increases again. Is this normal or should he be gaining weight between each feeding?

More important that he is gaining daily. I weigh them only once a day, same time and same circumstances... for example, each morning before their 7AM feeding, before the feeding.

jcridge
08-09-2020, 07:29 AM
Are you watching his milk line? How often are you feeding him, how much does her weigh and how much does he generally eat with each feeding? Sorry to answer the question with a question, but all of this info is relevant to your question.

Thank you for the answers and the additional questions.

I've read where others talk about a milk line but I'm not sure what that is. He does have a white area on his abdomen that is more pronounced after I feed him. I've thought that might be his stomach with the formula in it. It never seems to go away 100%. Does that mean he is not digesting the formula completely? Should I try switching to something else? Perhaps Goat's Milk Esbilac? I want to give him the best thing I can.

I've been trying to feed him every 2 to 3 hours. Usually closer to every 2 hours. Perhaps this is too often? I aim for about 5% in CCs of his body as I've read in several places. Sometimes he eats that amount eagerly and other times he doesn't quite get that amount down.

He currently only weighs about 35.8 grams

jcridge
08-09-2020, 07:42 AM
Hi Spanky,

I read about your homemade formula on the Esbilac Problems message. I live in NC and we have a lot of different grocery stores here (Harris Teeter, Food Lion, Publix, Whole Foods) perhaps one of these has Goat's Milk?

Is the heavy cream cows milk cream or something else?

hGMF+ (Homemade Goat's Milk Formula Plus (Not temporary, for use in babies up to 4 weeks)):

3 parts Goat's Milk
3 parts plain yogurt
2 parts heavy cream
1 Egg Yolk for per cup of formula


Here is a picture of the baby squirrel I have. How old would you say he is?

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Thank you
John

Mel1959
08-09-2020, 07:44 AM
You can try feeding a little less often. Push the feedings out to every 3 hours. The white line you’re seeing on his tummy is his milk line. Yes, that should practically disappear before his next feeding. You never want his belly to get hard or the skin to look tight.

Did you order the Fox Valley 20/50? I don’t think I’d switch him to Goats milk Esbilac, I’d just switch to the 20/50 when it arrives. Too many switches in formula can upset their intestines.

When your 20/50 arrives do a gradual transition. Mix up both formulas independently. For a couple of feedings fill your syringe with a 75%/25% mixture of Esbilac/Fox Valley. Then for the next few feedings do a 50%/50% combination of the formulas, then for a few feedings do 25%/75% of Esbilac/Fox Valley and then finally 100% Fox Valley. Transitioning slowly over the course of a couple of days allows his system to adjust slowly to the new formula.

Edit: Just saw your picture. I think he looks good. I’d estimate him to be about 3 weeks old. As I said above, I don’t think it’s a good idea to switch his formula until you make the switch to Fox Valley. If he’s gaining weight and his poop is normal then don’t alter course. One of our admin rehabbers has been using Esbilac with an expiration date of 10/21 all season and has not had any problems.

To answer your question about heavy cream. Yes, it’s not exactly the same as whipping cream because I have seen cartons with the name heavy cream on them, but they aren’t available in all stores. Whipping cream usually is. Yes, it’s cows milk cream.

jcridge
08-09-2020, 08:02 AM
Hi Mel1959,

The FV 20/50 has been ordered. Should be here middle of next week sometime.

Thank you for all the advice. It is very reassuring. Want to do the best for the little guy.