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Littleman
09-17-2019, 12:40 AM
Is this the same instructions for a 6wk old??
Unfortunately for four weeks he’s been drinking the bad formula. He doesn’t eat solids well at all not even sure he swallows mostly makes a mess... how much calcium for a baby his age?? Thank you
Littleman
09-17-2019, 10:54 AM
I could not figure out why my little man seemed so “off balance” so I did some google last night and found you. Immediately checked my formula and went through so many emotions. I gave him dose of tums- I’m not sure how your figures go for dosing- he vomited. ?? Help
lukaslolamaus
09-17-2019, 11:42 AM
I see you have 2 threads, it would be best to keep everything in one. Maybe an admin can combine the two.
Poor little guy. You definitely need to rehydrate with pedialyte or homemade pedialyte solution
1 quart of warm water
1 teaspoon salt
3 tablespoon sugar
mix well and keep unused in the refrigerator and toss after 24 hours
Someone more experienced will help you soon
MAKE SURE THAT YOUR CALCIUM DOESN'T HAVE ADDED VITAMIN D
lukaslolamaus
09-17-2019, 11:47 AM
The instructions are the same, but the total calcium intake is less, because of the baby's size.
How much does the baby weigh? I have never dosed a baby this young.
Make sure that your calcium doesn't have added vitamin D.
Someone more experienced will help you soon.
lukaslolamaus
09-17-2019, 01:11 PM
Here is the MBD protocol from Henry's Healthy Pets
https://www.henryspets.com/emergency-treatment-for-mbd/
It has directions for squirrels under the age of 12 weeks listed.
Littleman
09-17-2019, 01:23 PM
I see you have 2 threads, it would be best to keep everything in one. Maybe an admin can combine the two.
Poor little guy. You definitely need to rehydrate with pedialyte or homemade pedialyte solution
1 quart of warm water
1 teaspoon salt
3 tablespoon sugar
mix well and keep unused in the refrigerator and toss after 24 hours
Someone more experienced will help you soon
MAKE SURE THAT YOUR CALCIUM DOESN'T HAVE ADDED VITAMIN D
I can’t get him to eat now. He has never shown interest in solid other than biting it and spitting out. He did get a little calcium this morning and has kept it down. He has slept 95% of the time.
lukaslolamaus
09-17-2019, 01:31 PM
Hydrate him drop by drop.
What formula are you feeding?
Can you post a picture, and weigh him?
Did you read over the MBD protocol and read the part how to dose for 12 weeks and under?
Littleman
09-17-2019, 01:35 PM
Hydrate him drop by drop.
What formula are you feeding?
I was feeding his the bad formulae. I went and picked up the goat milk formula this morning - mixed that with a tums. What about the DE with calcium, could I add that as well as a supplement?
Littleman
09-17-2019, 01:38 PM
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lukaslolamaus
09-17-2019, 01:44 PM
Ok, glad you changed the formula.
To ensure your baby gets the entire dose of calcium you shouldn't mix with the formula.
Crush the tums, add water and give by syringe.
The Henry's mbd protocol also shows how to read the calcium labels on the tums container (tums come in different strengths).
I don't know what DE with calcium is.
Poor little guy, he looks dehydrated to me. You need to make sure he's well hydrated before feeding formula.
Littleman
09-17-2019, 02:02 PM
Ok, glad you changed the formula.
To ensure your baby gets the entire dose of calcium you shouldn't mix with the formula.
Crush the tums, add water and give by syringe.
The Henry's mbd protocol also shows how to read the calcium labels on the tums container (tums come in different strengths).
I don't know what DE with calcium is.
Poor little guy, he looks dehydrated to me. You need to make sure he's well hydrated before feeding formula.
DE is the diatomaceous earth....
I’m at store - the goat milk for The recipe- the goat milk had vit D in it- is that bad?
lukaslolamaus
09-17-2019, 02:18 PM
DE is the diatomaceous earth....
I’m at store - the goat milk for The recipe- the goat milk had vit D in it- is that bad?
Why do you think he needs DE?
Goat milk naturally contains vitamin D.
Vitamin D as a supplement in combination with the calcium for mbd treatment is too concentrated.
Littleman
09-17-2019, 02:51 PM
Honestly I have fed baby possums, kittens, puppies, horses and calf’s- little man is my first squirrel- I have always added DE to water, it does have supplement calcium and has health benifits for worms parasites ext.. I did not know if this is good specifically for squirrels or squirrels with the MBD... learning and I do NOT want to fail this little man.
lukaslolamaus
09-17-2019, 03:12 PM
I honestly don't know about the DE. I've used it on kitties and I sprinkled the foodgrade DE around my bird feeders before to get rid of ants.
lukaslolamaus
09-17-2019, 04:33 PM
I sent a message with this thread to the owner of Henry's and this is the reply.
Littleman
09-17-2019, 04:49 PM
I sent a message with this thread to the owner of Henry's and this is the reply.
THANK YOU!!! I am doing all above. Unfortunately getting anything in him is very challenging- I am leaving him with a friend for a week starting 25th. I hate doing it but I have a neurologist appointment in portland Oregon and I’m afraid to sneak him on the plane to take him with me. I really need him well by then :(
lukaslolamaus
09-17-2019, 05:21 PM
Everyone is still learning how supplementing babies this young with calcium works.
I got another message I want to share with you.
I want to be sure to pass on everything correctly.
Would you like us to help you find a rehabber in your area?
Littleman
09-17-2019, 05:27 PM
Everyone is still learning how the supplementing babies this young woks.
I got another message I want to share with you.
I want to be sure to pass on everything correctly.
Thank you! He hasn’t had issues with temperature- until today. It’s just amazing how quickly he went from being good to not good. No vomiting since last night. Right now because getting liquid in is challenging I am focusing between the calcium and pedialite. This is heart breaking! I am assuming the “dragging back legs and balance is a sure sign of MBD we are seeing right now? My guy has not shown signs of diarrhea or bloating yet.
Nancy in New York
09-17-2019, 05:42 PM
How long have you been giving him Pedialyte?
It should be used no more than 24 hours, then
offer him water with a touch of honey for taste.
How long have you had this little one?
Nancy in New York
09-17-2019, 05:45 PM
I am leaving him with a friend for a week starting 25th. I hate doing it but I have a neurologist appointment in portland Oregon(
This is very concerning.
Your little one needs help and
I would hate to see any progress that
has been made, negated by someone that
doesn't know squirrels and how to properly feed.
(unless this someone does have a lot of squirrel experience)
They can aspirate so easily.
I hope I don't sound harsh, I'm a worrier.
Would you like us to try to find someone
with lots of experience to help you if we can?
What town do you live in?
Littleman
09-17-2019, 06:26 PM
This is very concerning.
Your little one needs help and
I would hate to see any progress that
has been made, negated by someone that
doesn't know squirrels and how to properly feed.
(unless this someone does have a lot of squirrel experience)
They can aspirate so easily.
I hope I don't sound harsh, I'm a worrier.
Would you like us to try to find someone
with lots of experience to help you if we can?
What town do you live in?
Yes! That would be great! I am leaving from the 25th to Oct 7th- I am driving back because dr will not allow me to fly after the appointment. I live in powder springs ga. Right now. I am from Oregon and have the perfect club med area for him in the spring. I can send my number in a private message?
Littleman
09-17-2019, 06:28 PM
I am an author and besides this trip I work from home and am able to be with him 24/7- I had surgery in April and I cannot miss this follow up or I would. This is just tearing me apart. This guy owns my soul right now!
Nancy in New York
09-17-2019, 06:46 PM
Yes! That would be great! I am leaving from the 25th to Oct 7th- I am driving back because dr will not allow me to fly after the appointment. I live in powder springs ga. Right now.
Let me put out some feelers on this, ok?
Would you be willing to drive some?
Littleman
09-17-2019, 07:19 PM
Let me put out some feelers on this, ok?
Would you be willing to drive some?
Yes I can do that- my plane leaves early the 25th
Littleman
09-17-2019, 07:38 PM
Little man just vomited everything I had managed to get down him he never vomited until I cave him the calcium. I don’t know what to do -
CritterMom
09-17-2019, 07:54 PM
I think you are throwing too much at this little guy.
I would stop the DE. I have never heard of using it and it certainly isn't anything he would be getting in the wild. I would also stop using the calcium right now. Give him a little time to get past the vomiting he just had and give him just a small amount of water or water with just a tiny bit of sugar for taste. Heat it just like the formula. If that stays down okay, give him a little more an hour or so later.
If the water is staying down, I would try a small feeding. Give him about half of what you normally would and see if that stays down. Then slowly work him up to normal feedings.
I think it is possible that he is also having problems with the flavoring and coloring in the Tums. I would not give him any more. If additional calcium needs to be added I would get the plain calcium powder that Henrys sells, and take into consideration his small size. Our 500mg per day MBD protocol is written around full grown squirrels and is way, way too much for a baby.
Littleman
09-17-2019, 08:18 PM
I think you are throwing too much at this little guy.
I would stop the DE. I have never heard of using it and it certainly isn't anything he would be getting in the wild. I would also stop using the calcium right now. Give him a little time to get past the vomiting he just had and give him just a small amount of water or water with just a tiny bit of sugar for taste. Heat it just like the formula. If that stays down okay, give him a little more an hour or so later.
If the water is staying down, I would try a small feeding. Give him about half of what you normally would and see if that stays down. Then slowly work him up to normal feedings.
I think it is possible that he is also having problems with the flavoring and coloring in the Tums. I would not give him any more. If additional calcium needs to be added I would get the plain calcium powder that Henrys sells, and take into consideration his small size. Our 500mg per day MBD protocol is written around full grown squirrels and is way, way too much for a baby.
I have not given him any DE- was just curious if that could help supplement calcium.
I am STOPPING the calcium. Giving him honey water- I made the goat milk, whipping cream, yogurt and egg yolk formula for him- stopping the esbilac goat formula- have him next to me so I can watch for vomiting- going to make my third triple espresso to get through another night of this :( - Thank you for all the advice! All suggestions and help is so appreciated- also I should mention his poops went from black to lime green the last time he went - thank you so much! Kelli Klampe 311410
CritterMom
09-17-2019, 08:36 PM
You did note that the goats milk formula with the egg recipe makes ONE HALF cup of formula, but you add one egg to ONE CUP of formula. So you need to either double the amounts in the recipe so you make one full cup or you need to halve an egg. I don't want to see anyone misunderstand this recipe and add twice the egg needed.
Do let him sleep in between feedings and make sure he stays nice and warm. His fur looks spikey - I can tell some of it is from wiping him down but some is still some dehydration and the vomiting isn't helping. That is why I am suggesting small amounts of food at first. Don't want to overwhelm his little system.
Spanky
09-17-2019, 10:02 PM
Yes! That would be great! I am leaving from the 25th to Oct 7th- I am driving back because dr will not allow me to fly after the appointment. I live in powder springs ga.
I would be happy to help, though I am a little further away (2 hours +/-).
Spanky
09-17-2019, 10:05 PM
also I should mention his poops went from black to lime green the last time he went - thank you so much! Kelli Klampe
How long have you had this baby? I will go back and re-read the entire thread.. maybe that is there.
Edit: Ok, I see you've had them for 4 weeks and they have been on the Esbilac (not Esbilac Goat Milk) from the start... My concern is the black poop. Esbilac poops are not black (except maybe after they have dried out?)... so it concerns me because black would not be good (poop from momma's milk is black) and lime green is no good either!
Can you post a picture of the lime green poo... I am going to get a bad reputation, seems I am always requesting poop pics. :eek
Littleman
09-17-2019, 10:42 PM
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Here is both- so far he has held down some pedialite and 5cc of goat recipe - he slept, woke up and pooped:) thank you for risking your reputation!! I am on a deadline right now but I can meet anyone- as long as I don’t have to do traffic because at the moment I’m in a neck brace. I’ll message you and critter mom my number :) Kelli- THANK YOU AGAIN!!! I can’t even explain the anxiety I felt until I found you guys! He will make it through this? I feel like I did this by not researching but that formula was supposed to be good for him :(
Spanky
09-17-2019, 10:59 PM
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Here is both- so far he has held down some pedialite and 5cc of goat recipe - he slept, woke up and pooped:) thank you for risking your reputation!! I am on a deadline right now but I can meet anyone- as long as I don’t have to do traffic because at the moment I’m in a neck brace. I’ll message you and critter mom my number :) Kelli- THANK YOU AGAIN!!! I can’t even explain the anxiety I felt until I found you guys! He will make it through this? I feel like I did this by not researching but that formula was supposed to be good for him :(
How do you drive anywhere around Atlanta without doing traffic? :thinking :grin3
There is the Amtrak Cresent line... you can get from Atlanta to here in 10 hours! The return trip is only 2 hours I think. :poke
Nobody knew the formula had changed or what was happening until very recently... Esbilac WAS the right thing 4 weeks ago (WAS being the operative word).
Littleman
09-17-2019, 11:06 PM
As long as it’s not like rush hour I do ok- I’m from small town, Boise is our big city lol- maybe Saturday? does the poop look alarming? When I read that the tums would make them feel better quickly I was feeling positive- at that time he was just dragging legs a little and off balance but then after calcium the vomiting- he hasn’t been active today at all- he is a little fighter though!
Spanky
09-17-2019, 11:22 PM
The bad news is he has MBD. The good news he is a youngster and youngsters have a much better chance of recovery.
Be patient, diligent and consistent.
Please understand while we know the calcium change in Esbilac has resulted in poor (non-existent?) calcium absorption by these babies resulting in MBD, there are many that have serious reasons to suspect that the calcium is not the only issue and additional issues or deficits may result from the new Esbilac formulation. Since this is new this baby season, we are all working through this together.
Littleman
09-17-2019, 11:29 PM
I just want to cry
CritterMom
09-18-2019, 06:13 AM
I just want to cry
?? Is he okay
Nancy in New York
09-18-2019, 07:04 AM
Oh no! Please tell us that your little one is alright.311412
Spanky
09-18-2019, 07:34 AM
I *believe* that post is in reference to the damage and harm caused by the Esbilac to this baby and all the poor souls this season....
Littleman
09-18-2019, 09:15 AM
I’m sorry the “cry” was because he was doing so well and the formula hurt him. He is doing a little better. I have the new goat recipe which he loves- he woke me up this morning sucking on my cheek. :) I just made him a bottle and going to feed. I have not given him anymore calcium because of the vomiting-?
redwuff
09-18-2019, 09:41 AM
I’m sorry the “cry” was because he was doing so well and the formula hurt him. He is doing a little better. I have the new goat recipe which he loves- he woke me up this morning sucking on my cheek. :) I just made him a bottle and going to feed. I have not given him anymore calcium because of the vomiting-?
Hi Kelli,
Please believe me, we are all overwhelmed with this horrendous Esbilac issue, but we are figuring this out as we go along. There are some great minds working vigorously behind the scenes and with your little guy to overcome and move beyond this issue.
We just had a huge success with a baby that had most of his long bones broken due to being on Esbilac from the first week of his life to 3 weeks old. Fortunately we have a vet who is working with us, also many others who are vital to figure out what we can feed that is nutritionally balanced. Within 2 weeks of being on a balanced diet, he has healed broken bones and grew new bone where there where gaps. His thread is “3 week old - need help back leg issues”. Check it out. Your little boy will move beyond this also. There is a great bunch of people on this forum that have great knowledge and dedication. You are in good hands.
Trysh
Littleman
09-18-2019, 10:02 AM
Thank you So so so much- he is still lethargic. He has kept down the goat formula recipe. I am returning the esbilac goat formula I purchased yesterday. I’m attaching picture from this morning. He is messy from vomiting but I don’t want to do anything but wipe him with a warm rag yet.
Should I give him low doses of calcium? Or?? Is there good calcium in the goat recipe? 311413
redwuff
09-18-2019, 10:08 AM
If he has had so much calcium that he was vomiting from it, I would give him a rest from it. Let me read your thread again.
redwuff
09-18-2019, 10:31 AM
Can you give us a weight on this guy and more information concerning feeding amts and times. He does look thin and dehydrated. Has he been a good eater up till now?. How often are you feeding? Are his eyes open yet? Any chance he has aspirated. Have you ordered Fox Valley 20/50 for his continuing diet. I think he is 6 weeks (so his eyes should be open).
The most important question here is .....is there any chance he might have aspirated (blown milk out of his nose). If so he must be on antibiotics for that. He seems very lethargic but that also could be the picture. Listen to his lungs by putting his side to your ear and see if he has a crackle in his lungs, or a click with breathing.
What are you using to feed him with. Would you take a picture of it please.
CritterMom
09-18-2019, 11:19 AM
Since he is tolerating the goats milk formula, slowly increase your feeding amount until you get back to normal, which should be 5-7% of his body weight (i.e., 100 gram squirrel would get between 5 and 7cc of formula per feeding).
Redwuff, this little one also could have aspirated vomit.. I am hoping he just feels like crap because he is hungry and empty from throwing up...
Littleman, can you get your hands on any antibiotics? He may not need it but it would be nice to have them. Look specifically for Cipro. It is used pretty universally for urinary tract infections which means that female friends may have leftovers. You would only need one pill, his weight in grams, the size of the pill in milligrams, and a 1cc syringe. Augmentin is another good med. It goes under many different names - look for something that has "amoxi" and "clav" in the name.
Littleman
09-18-2019, 11:33 AM
Please tell me how I should or should not add calcium for little man? He has not vomited since 7pm last night - ate fairly well.
lukaslolamaus
09-18-2019, 11:44 AM
Have you added the extra calcium to the formula as directed in the fortified formula recipe?
Post #15
redwuff
09-18-2019, 12:03 PM
Have you added the extra calcium to the formula as directed in the fortified formula recipe?
Post #15
Sounds like you guys have a plan... I’ll just read
lukaslolamaus
09-18-2019, 12:48 PM
Sounds like you guys have a plan... I’ll just read
I reached out to 4skwerlz yesterday for help, and she suggested the fortified formula.
My MBD patients were much older and I didn't know how else to help the little dude.
CritterMom
09-18-2019, 01:01 PM
Sounds like you guys have a plan... I’ll just read
We will take YOUR help any time!
Littleman
09-18-2019, 01:03 PM
I did not add the calcium because at the time I just had tums and there was a question if that caused the vomiting. I will add to formula. Should I still hold off on giving it to him directly since it did cause a lot of vomiting. He is lethargic, but eating. Not dragging legs as bad. Burst of energy and then sleeps. I did have him in the sun this morning for an hour while he slept. He is back on heating pad, mostly because I was trying to get vomit off his chest and belly and he was wet. He is still crusty-ish but I’m not going to bathe him quite yet unless you think I should. Thank you all from the bottom of my heart for all your help and concern! PS I posted the esbilac problem on my Facebook and I know now of two others who may have issues and didn’t know of the issue who may be joining site. I feel horrible for everyone who is unaware and is unknowingly harming these little guys- just like I did 😭
Littleman
09-18-2019, 01:14 PM
Can you give us a weight on this guy and more information concerning feeding amts and times. He does look thin and dehydrated. Has he been a good eater up till now?. How often are you feeding? Are his eyes open yet? Any chance he has aspirated. Have you ordered Fox Valley 20/50 for his continuing diet. I think he is 6 weeks (so his eyes should be open).
The most important question here is .....is there any chance he might have aspirated (blown milk out of his nose). If so he must be on antibiotics for that. He seems very lethargic but that also could be the picture. Listen to his lungs by putting his side to your ear and see if he has a crackle in his lungs, or a click with breathing.
What are you using to feed him with. Would you take a picture of it please.
Ok so I attached picture- he was eating fairly well has been wobbly and loosing appetite for over a week. He is now eating slowly about 5-10ml every couple hours. He very well could have aspirated when he vomited, I did see some come out of his nose and he sneezes since then a few times. ???
CritterMom
09-18-2019, 01:16 PM
Littleman, since this guy is clearly having problems with the Tums, and because it is nearly impossible to find calcium without vitamin D added anywhere but online, I would do this if I were you:
Go to www.henryspets.com. I am going to spend some of your money!
First, purchase a bag of Fox Valley 20/50 formula. Make sure it is the 20/50.
Then, go to the supplements section and buy one of the small packets of the Henrys calcium carbonate. It is a white powder, just calcium, no flavor. Very inexpensive.
Go to the Squirrel diets section and get a bag of the Henry's food. I would strongly recommend either a bag of the "Picky Bites" or the new "Hazelnut" flavor, which mine have just swooned over. This food is designed to help combat MBD by the way.
Then look around - she has all sizes of feeding syringes, nipples, everything you need for squirrels.
I would hold off giving him any more Tums at this point. In the unlikely chance you stumble on plain calcium without Vitamin D, let us know and we can help you get the proper amount added to the goats milk formula.
When your order comes in, he will probably be able to be transitioned to the 20/50 formula, and you can supplement it with a small amount of the calcium you order. I don't think you will need to do that for more than a couple weeks - the Fox Valley and the Henry's food are all properly supplemented.
When you place your order, there is a place to put a comment - tell them you are a TSB person with an Esbilac MBD baby and to ship ASAP. They are very fast about shipping, but the woman who IS Henry's is very involved with all of this - she is the one who came up with the new goats milk formula, along with a vet, and knows just exactly what you are facing. You can call them, too - she may have some other suggestions for you.
Littleman
09-18-2019, 01:17 PM
I did not order FV yet- I am leaving town for my neurologist and neurosurgeon appointment in Oregon - I am afraid delivery would get here and then it would sit outside for a week. He really likes the goat formula... would that not be sufficient until I return? I am hoping someone with experience can fill in when I am gone. I had a brain aneurysm and spine surgery I cannot miss these appointments or I would be no good to him. :( bad bad timing.
CritterMom
09-18-2019, 01:39 PM
I did not order FV yet- I am leaving town for my neurologist and neurosurgeon appointment in Oregon - I am afraid delivery would get here and then it would sit outside for a week. He really likes the goat formula... would that not be sufficient until I return? I am hoping someone with experience can fill in when I am gone. I had a brain aneurysm and spine surgery I cannot miss these appointments or I would be no good to him. :( bad bad timing.
It looked as though you had one of our members here lined up to help with that - I hope. If so, his switch to the FV could be done then. Do you have or have you ordered plain calcium yet or do you only have the Tums?
Spanky
09-18-2019, 01:41 PM
I did not order FV yet- I am leaving town for my neurologist and neurosurgeon appointment in Oregon - I am afraid delivery would get here and then it would sit outside for a week. He really likes the goat formula... would that not be sufficient until I return? I am hoping someone with experience can fill in when I am gone. I had a brain aneurysm and spine surgery I cannot miss these appointments or I would be no good to him. :( bad bad timing.
If you order it from Henry's today it should arrive Friday... Saturday at the latest.
Spanky
09-18-2019, 01:43 PM
Ok so I attached picture- he was eating fairly well has been wobbly and loosing appetite for over a week. He is now eating slowly about 5-10ml every couple hours. He very well could have aspirated when he vomited, I did see some come out of his nose and he sneezes since then a few times. ???
That syringe (10ml) is too big, huge aspiration risk. Please try to get 1ml or 3ml syringes for feeding.
Littleman
09-18-2019, 02:23 PM
I ordered from Henry’s FV - calcium and syringes as well as blocks- :) I am SO GLAD I called them super super awesome! Thank you guys!
Littleman
09-18-2019, 02:26 PM
The only antibiotic I have at the moment is Metronidazole 250mg- I can ask for another if you don’t think this is appropriate for him- :) from vet for a dog if that matters
redwuff
09-18-2019, 02:27 PM
A lot is going on right now with a lot of information coming in. Hang in there. We don’t want to overwhelm you. You have done a great job and thank you for having an open mind and allowing us to help you. Once you are on the right track everything will die down to a dull roar.:glomp
If there is anyway you can get this baby to Spanky, you will be getting him to one of the best. It sounds like you have had some pretty major and scary health issues. I’m so glad you’re hopefully on the other side of them. Prayers for safe and successful follow up.
redwuff
09-18-2019, 02:29 PM
The only antibiotic I have at the moment is Metronidazole 250mg- I can ask for another if you don’t think this is appropriate for him- :)
Not appropriate at all. Sorry.
Best is Baytril/Cipro or Clavamox/augmentin.
As Crittermom said Cipro is often used for UTI’s so women often have some lying around.
Spanky
09-18-2019, 02:43 PM
Not sure if you have reviewed this info on squirrels:
https://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?17785-WARNING!-Squirrels-Can-Overheat-in-Summer!
redwuff
09-18-2019, 02:46 PM
So Littleman is 101.6 grams. We feed between 5-7% which is the stomach capacity of a mammal. It sounds like you are all over the place with the amount being fed to him. He needs consistency in amount and timing of formula. For right now I would stay at 5% of his weight, which is weighed once a day and fed percentage of that weight daily. Feeding every four hours at this stage of his development is fine for a total of five feedings a day. He does not need to be fed overnight. ie 7, 11, 3, 7, 11.
Since he looks spikes in his coat, I would see if you could get him to take two extra feedings of hydration today and tomorrow (2 - 3 mls of pedialyte or whatever kind of hydration fluid you have. Honey water is not hydration fluid.). Please be very careful with the feeding syringe you have till the new ones come. After that hydration, as long as he is eating most of the formula, his formula should provide him with enough fluid to keep him hydrated.
redwuff
09-18-2019, 02:49 PM
Maybe you have already been doing this, but it is very helpful to keep a chart of daily weight and anything else that would help you.
CritterMom
09-18-2019, 03:02 PM
The only antibiotic I have at the moment is Metronidazole 250mg- I can ask for another if you don’t think this is appropriate for him- :) from vet for a dog if that matters
No, metro won't work. The drugs I have suggested are HUMAN antibiotics. Many of them can be used for animals quite nicely. So ask around to your human friends and see if anyone has any leftover antibiotics and what they are.
Littleman
09-18-2019, 06:42 PM
On antibiotic-??~ I have amoxicillin -pot clavicle 875-125
HE IS PLAYING!!! Still sneezing- still feel like I’m force feeding him- I will follow all advice!!! He is still a bit wobbly but not dragging back legs- he’s got his attitude back though and just makes me so happy!!! Odd thing- he keeps biting his back foot all of a sudden?
Littleman
09-18-2019, 07:09 PM
He is very crusty from the vomit - he was not doing well and I did a horrible job trying to clean him up- at the time I was also very worried about his bones. I didn’t want him fighting me and a bone breaking. That is probably out my bad.
CritterMom
09-18-2019, 07:11 PM
Might this be Amoxacillin Clavulanate? If so, it is one of the drugs we are looking for.
Watch him very closely with the foot. It may be tingly - like it feels when part of your body falls asleep and then the feeling begins to come back. But YOU know better than to chew and mutilate the area! He doesn't Watch this.
Playing and attitude is a good thing, and little squirrels that have pneumonia aren't like that. Regarding the sneezing, baby squirrels sniff constantly and frequently snort out like they are clearing their nose. I think it is their way of snorting out the last smells so they can smell new smells. It isn't sneezing. Might that be what you are hearing?
CritterMom
09-18-2019, 07:14 PM
And bring that little one INSIDE! They can be very fast - if he gets away he will never survive. Don't bring him outside until you are ready to start the release process. Also, given his condition he is better off in his little nest with the container partly on a heating pad. His bones are brittle now. You really need to encourage him to be quiet, sleep, not climb, etc., even if he really wants to. His bones need to rebuild so they won't break so easily.
lukaslolamaus
09-19-2019, 10:22 AM
How is Littleman today?
CritterMom
09-19-2019, 11:48 AM
By the way, he is adorable. The expression on his face here just cracks me up. "Get outa the way, hooman, Trouble comin' through!"
redwuff
09-20-2019, 10:19 AM
I am worried that we have not heard from this poster for a day. Anyone heard anything?
Come back...we are worried:grouphug
Spanky
09-20-2019, 12:04 PM
Littleman was picked up last evening a by a lady that rehabs squirrels who lives close by the finder and will be routed to me... :thumbsup
lukaslolamaus
09-20-2019, 12:49 PM
Littleman was picked up last evening a by a lady that rehabs squirrels who lives close by the finder and will be routed to me... :thumbsup
That's great :clap
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