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Ricksgirl
09-14-2019, 03:20 PM
Hello all, I had my 6 week baby outside for a short bit about a half hour ago. He was fine. And then got really upset and he's not anything normal. He seems to be favoring his right paw, just crawls and tries to bury himself as he crawls. He ate 4ml for me. But he's constantly making a upset squirrel noise when I touch him. And seems to be chewing on his teeth. Won't really open his mouth like normal. I'm not sure what happened. The only thing I can think of was a sting as I seen to wasps flying close by but I didn't not see any land on him. What can I do for him?
Could this be life threatening? He weighs about 134 grams.

311346.

Ricksgirl
09-14-2019, 03:34 PM
There was also alot more noise outside then normal. Lots of planes flying, etc. Is it possible he just got to upset and it's anxiety related?

HRT4SQRLS
09-14-2019, 03:46 PM
I know this question will seem odd but what formula is your baby on?
There is a problem with puppy Esbilac that is causing broken bones. The calcium is not being absorbed. The bones are literally collapsing under their weight.

HRT4SQRLS
09-14-2019, 03:58 PM
Ricksgirl, you are the person I have been trying to remember. I knew that there was someone that had started their baby on PetLac puppy formula. We told you to get Esbilac puppy formula as soon as possible. Little did we know at that time that the current puppy Esbilac is defective.

Did you get the Esbilac? If so it is possible that your baby has a broken leg, ankle or foot. It is urgent that we get information to you to reverse this serious issue.

HRT4SQRLS
09-14-2019, 04:14 PM
Could an admin send an email to get the poster to return?

Nancy in New York
09-14-2019, 04:18 PM
Could an admin send an email to get the poster to return?

I'll get right on it. :)
Edit: Email sent.

HRT4SQRLS
09-14-2019, 04:20 PM
Thank you Nancy.:hug

Ricksgirl
09-14-2019, 04:55 PM
Sorry you guys, it's my daughter's birthday party. I did get him switched to the other formula the esblic. He had no issues before he went outside. He didn't fall, I just put him on the ground and he is still getting use to it so he didn't move much and crawled to me and hid under my leg. When I finished feeding him he is kneading like normal with his right leg he just wasn't pushing on the syringe like normal with that paw. He doesn't appear to have anything broken. My husband said he checked on him before he left and he was crawling the cage and making some noise and when he stuck his finger in he layed his head on his finger and closed his eyes.

HRT4SQRLS
09-14-2019, 04:59 PM
Could you check the can of Esbilac that you have? Does it have an American flag with the words
MADE in the USA or is there a star with the words CRAFTED in the USA?

This is important as it tell us if you have the old (good) Esbilac or the new (defective) Esbilac.

HRT4SQRLS
09-14-2019, 05:06 PM
The problem with the Esbilac has come to light in the last few weeks. Baby squirrels bones started breaking just from their weight. They don’t have to fall. There are literally hundreds of babies with broken bones and worse. Many have died. :sadness

If you have the bad Lot we need to get you to switch ASAP. The calcium isn’t being absorbed. The babies look normal one minute and the next minute the bones crumble. It started showing up as reddish lumps on the arms and legs. X-rays have confirmed the broken bones.

I know this is difficult to respond while at a BD party. When you can we can work on this.

Ricksgirl
09-14-2019, 05:39 PM
I will look at the can when we get home. It does have the new dog on the label that I keep seeing talked about. If it is a broken bone, would be still knead his paw like normal, minus the usual pressure he uses?

Nancy in New York
09-14-2019, 06:23 PM
I will look at the can when we get home. It does have the new dog on the label that I keep seeing talked about. If it is a broken bone, would be still knead his paw like normal, minus the usual pressure he uses?


Yes he could still use his paw.
Without an X-ray, it's nearly impossible to tell if there's a fracture.

This will be what you're looking for:


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Ricksgirl
09-14-2019, 07:25 PM
I just looked and it's the crafted in the USA one and we're almost threw 1 big can of it.

HRT4SQRLS
09-14-2019, 07:31 PM
OK... that’s the bad stuff. Please order FoxValley 20:50.

Let me get the link for a temporary formula.

HRT4SQRLS
09-14-2019, 07:34 PM
This is a temporary formula that can be used until the Fox Valley 20:50 arrives. It can be ordered at Henry’s Healthy Pets.



TEMPORARY GOAT'S MILK FORMULA:


3 parts goat’s milk
1 part heavy whipping cream*
1 part vanilla yogurt

Formula will last 48 hours in refrigerator.

Goat’s Milk
This can be purchased at natural food stores such as Trader Joe’s and Whole Foods, and at most health food stores that sell groceries. It is a product for humans. Do not substitute commercial formula made for baby goats or other livestock sold at feed stores.

Goat’s milk is available fresh in a carton; evaporated in a can; and as a powdered milk. If you purchase either the evaporated or powdered versions, please blend them with water according to the package directions before using to make the formula.

Heavy Whipping Cream
This is found in small cartons in the grocery store near the coffee creamers and half and half. Regular heavy cream may be substituted if it is unavailable, but the heavy whipping cream has the highest fat content, and is preferred.

Yogurt
Yogurt has beneficial bacteria in it that soothes and settles digestion. Full fat yogurt is best, and a good choice that is very widely available is Stoneyfield Yobaby yogurt. However if it is unavailable, a low fat vanilla yogurt may be substituted. Avoid those that have artificial sweeteners in them. Vanilla and banana are both popular flavors, and the sweet taste of the yogurt helps to convince the baby to accept it.

HRT4SQRLS
09-14-2019, 07:46 PM
I hate to say it but it is very possible the baby has a broken forearm. It will heal.
Be very careful with your baby because he is fragile. You need to add supplemental calcium to the formula to rebuild the bones. The regular Tums have 200 mg of elemental Calcium in each tablet.
You can split the tablet and give 1/2 tablet per day for a week. That would be 100mg per day.

Crush 1/2 of the Tums tablet into powder. Put a little in the formula so that it is all consumed throughout the day. Don’t give it all at one time. We are assuming that all babies on the bad formula have some degree of Metabolic Bone Disease (MBD).

I feel terrible about this. Your baby was on a deficient formula to start and the Esbilac we recommended is even worse. Normally the Esbilac would have been optimal but at this time it is horrible. PetAg is working on the problem but that doesn’t help the hundreds of babies affected by their defective formula.

HRT4SQRLS
09-14-2019, 07:48 PM
You can order Fox Valley 20:50 from Henry’s.
https://www.henryspets.com/fox-valley-day-one-formula-20-50/

Ricksgirl
09-14-2019, 08:10 PM
After viewing him more it appears to be his back right leg. Seems to be dragging it along. What can I give him to help with pain? Also if i find the made in the usa can is that one ok? I know when I was at the farm store recently I noticed the formula and it did have the blue label on top that said now with probiatics. My can does not say that. My vet won't be open until Monday. Can they even do anything for a broken bone?

Ricksgirl
09-14-2019, 08:13 PM
Here's a video
https://youtu.be/LSsP5me-B1w

HRT4SQRLS
09-14-2019, 08:25 PM
Yes, we have found older cans of Esbilac on the shelves of retailers. If you find a can with the American flag that says MADE in the USA it is OK. On a search this week of pet retailers I found a can of the older Lots on the shelves.

You can give him INFANT Ibuprophen for pain. I will send dosing in a PM. I’m not sure what a vet can do but the vet can confirm a fracture. Some vets have been splinting the broken legs.

Is your baby in a plastic bin? That is important because he shouldn't be climbing at all.