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Momof2boys
08-05-2019, 02:17 AM
Have 2 week old squirrel, she has stopped pooping. She was on the esbilac then switched to fox valley. Tried soaking has not helped.
Javarat
08-05-2019, 02:34 AM
How long has the baby not been pooping?
Which Fox Valley are you using?
If you are using 32/40.. stop using it immediately. We have seen a lot of baby squirrels bloat and die on that.
If you are using 20/50.. it is good for baby squirrels, but not until they open their eyes. It is often too rich for a 2 week old.
Flip back to Esbilac until it opens its' eyes.. and then use a 50/50 mix of Esbilac and Fox Valley 20/50 for a while.
Right now, your concern is getting the stuff moving through it's intestines...
How full does the tummy look? Does it feel hard like a rubber ball, or soft like a water balloon? Is it a soft uniform pink, or does it have red areas like a rash?
If the tummy feels soft... go back to Esbilac, offer a little simethicone twice per day (Infant Gas-X at drug store or grocery), and try light tummy massages and warm water bottom baths while stimulating.
If the tummy feels hard and/or has redness along the bottom you may be looking at bloat. You would want to offer just water for a few feedings, simethicone, and massages and baths.
Also check it's dehydration level by pinching the skin behind the neck. If it stays pinched when you release it, or does not relax quickly, offer some water (not pedialyte) between meals.
Also (sorry for so many question, but the more info the better we understand the baby's status) how is it's appetite? Does it act starving, hungry, reluctant, or refuses food?
Momof2boys
08-05-2019, 02:40 PM
How long has the baby not been pooping?
Which Fox Valley are you using?
If you are using 32/40.. stop using it immediately. We have seen a lot of baby squirrels bloat and die on that.
If you are using 20/50.. it is good for baby squirrels, but not until they open their eyes. It is often too rich for a 2 week old.
Flip back to Esbilac until it opens its' eyes.. and then use a 50/50 mix of Esbilac and Fox Valley 20/50 for a while.
Right now, your concern is getting the stuff moving through it's intestines...
How full does the tummy look? Does it feel hard like a rubber ball, or soft like a water balloon? Is it a soft uniform pink, or does it have red areas like a rash?
If the tummy feels soft... go back to Esbilac, offer a little simethicone twice per day (Infant Gas-X at drug store or grocery), and try light tummy massages and warm water bottom baths while stimulating.
If the tummy feels hard and/or has redness along the bottom you may be looking at bloat. You would want to offer just water for a few feedings, simethicone, and massages and baths.
Also check it's dehydration level by pinching the skin behind the neck. If it stays pinched when you release it, or does not relax quickly, offer some water (not pedialyte) between meals.
Also (sorry for so many question, but the more info the better we understand the baby's status) how is it's appetite? Does it act starving, hungry, reluctant, or refuses food?. She has pooped. Will stop FV and go back to esbilac. She was on that when she stopped pooping. Her tummy feels like a balloon. How do I avoid this from happening again? I feed her till her tummy feels like a water balloon every 3 hours even thru night. Thank you do much for helping me
Momof2boys
08-05-2019, 02:50 PM
She is not dehydrated. Also how much do I give of the Childrens gas x if needed? She pooped a lot this morning when will I see her go back to normal poops after her feedings? Sorry I am all over the place just very panicked
Javarat
08-05-2019, 05:27 PM
She is not dehydrated. Also how much do I give of the Childrens gas x if needed? She pooped a lot this morning when will I see her go back to normal poops after her feedings? Sorry I am all over the place just very panicked I normally do about .05 ml (half of 1/10th of a milliliter) of Gax-X as a preventative once per day. Which is equal to about 2 drops of water. I do it at the start of a feeding so it gets washed down with the formula.
If you have them on the right formula (Esbilac powder), at the right mix (1 part powder to 2 parts water), 5% of body weight per feeding (1 ml for each 20 grams weight), and the right frequency (every 3 hours until they open their eyes)... they should run smooth.
If you do not have a grams scale... you can get a kitchen one at Walmart for less than $15. Once per day set it to grams, put a tupperware bowl on it, zero the scale, then weigh them in the bowl. Divide that by 20 to find how much to feed them per meal. (This comes out to 5% of their body weight). You don't want to feed them by eye until they look full.. you want to cut them off at 5%. Feeding them too much can cause diarrhea, then dehydration, and then not pooping.
Other than that the most important things are always feeding with a syringe at an upwards angle (to prevent aspiration), and stimulation.
It's normal to feel panicky. I feel the same way every single time a baby will not poop.. after doing over 80 of these guys now. :)
You would think I would be calmer about it by now. But I lose sleep every single time.
Watch for signs they are not 'starving'. It is often just that the formula is too hot or cold. But it can also be a symptom if it is a repeated pattern.
It helps to keep a log of their weight per day.. and amount per feeding. So you can spot patterns, or see that they are reluctant to eat now because they pigged out last time.
Momof2boys
08-05-2019, 05:46 PM
She pooped earlier today but so far nothing. Is this normal because she pooped so much before should I be worried?
Javarat
08-05-2019, 05:50 PM
I totally forgot to mention warmth. Keeping them at the right temperature (they should feel warm to the touch, but not hot) is very important.
I am constantly checking and adjusting how warm they are.
They can be very inconsistent during the first 10 days on formula.
They are basically working out air bubbles, filling up intestines, and trying to catch up by converting most of the food into squirrel.
Also if you stimulated her well in water.. and got a lot of poop out.. she may just not have anything to poop right now.
And it may take up to 10 minutes of stimulation to find the right pattern, or spot that will get poop to come out.
I normally stimulate until the anus closes up, and no longer has an opening.
Also check their bedding for passive pooping.
Momof2boys
08-05-2019, 07:45 PM
I bought the infants mylicon and gave her 2 drops before I fed her. Is it alright it is cherry flavor? She is in a Tupperware box with heating pad half on off plus a few t shirts on the bottom and on top of her. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for all the help and all the questions I have. I am sure I will be asking many more.
Momof2boys
08-05-2019, 07:47 PM
I totally forgot to mention warmth. Keeping them at the right temperature (they should feel warm to the touch, but not hot) is very important.
I am constantly checking and adjusting how warm they are.
They can be very inconsistent during the first 10 days on formula.
They are basically working out air bubbles, filling up intestines, and trying to catch up by converting most of the food into squirrel.
Also if you stimulated her well in water.. and got a lot of poop out.. she may just not have anything to poop right now.
And it may take up to 10 minutes of stimulation to find the right pattern, or spot that will get poop to come out.
I normally stimulate until the anus closes up, and no longer has an opening.
Also check their bedding for passive pooping.
How warm should it be?
Javarat
08-05-2019, 07:50 PM
How warm should it be?Ideally, a furless baby squirrel will be kept in an environment that's at a constant temperature of 100° F. A furred baby between 4 to 10 weeks will still be sensitive to cold; however, will do fine in temperatures between 96° to 98° degrees F. If you have more than one baby, they will typically be able to maintain their body temperature by snuggling together in warm bedding, like fleece or cotton.
Their body temperature is 99, and yours is 98.6, so they should feel warm, but not hot to touch.
Momof2boys
08-06-2019, 12:00 PM
Ideally, a furless baby squirrel will be kept in an environment that's at a constant temperature of 100° F. A furred baby between 4 to 10 weeks will still be sensitive to cold; however, will do fine in temperatures between 96° to 98° degrees F. If you have more than one baby, they will typically be able to maintain their body temperature by snuggling together in warm bedding, like fleece or cotton.
Their body temperature is 99, and yours is 98.6, so they should feel warm, but not hot to touch.
I have weighed her and she is 26 grams. She has not pooped yet. Will start today to give her water in between feedings. Should I give her 1m? Then an hour later give her formula of 1m. Oh she has no problem peeing she does after every feeding.
Javarat
08-06-2019, 12:25 PM
I would (at 26 grams) feed her 1.25 ml of formula every three hours, and maybe .5 ml of water between feedings.
Keep an eye on how full her tummy is, how it feels, and watch for any discoloration.
When stimulating her to poop, an up and down flicking with a wet finger tip on her privates (like you are tickling) should work.
Watch her anus to see if it opens up like she is trying to poop.
It also helps to hold them upright in a sitting position while stimulating, with one finger pushing the tail back out of the way.
I have noticed that the feeling of her warm pee or warm water on the anus will stimulate pooping.
I also massage the tummy with small downward strokes.
If she has not pooped in several feedings, try stimulating with her bottom in a bowl of warm water.
How long has she been on Esbilac now, and how long since her last poop?
Momof2boys
08-06-2019, 04:47 PM
It’s has been since around 9am yesterday that she went back on the esbilac and last pooped around same time. I gave her 2 drops of mylicon this morning it is cherry flavor which is original flavor. Hope that is alright. She eats well. And pees I noticed yellow stains on the t shirts also but no poop.
Javarat
08-06-2019, 05:10 PM
The cherry mylicon should be okay.
Yellow stains on the t shirts could be diarrhea. It may that she IS pooping.. but only diarrhea. She would not be putting out very much right now. Watch for any yellow residue on her bottom.
As long as she has a good appetite, tummy does not feel hard or have hard lumps, tummy does not look too large, and there is no discoloration or red spots keep feeding her as normal.
You can try giving her .5 ml diluted warm apple juice between feedings. Tummy massages and bottom stimulation in warm water as before. Keep an eye on her hydration.
At any sign of lack of appetite, hardness in the tummy, tummy too full, or red areas on the tummy... stop the formula and give her just warm water for 2 feedings (6 hours), with tummy massages.
Then put her back on formula again, because we have to put solids in to get solids out.
It would help if you could post a picture of her tummy so we can see how it looks.
Momof2boys
08-06-2019, 07:37 PM
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Momof2boys
08-06-2019, 07:45 PM
Hope picture is good enough if not will try again
Javarat
08-06-2019, 08:08 PM
That looks pretty good.
No sign of red marks, and the folds in the tummy skin look like it is not over extended.
Can you do a picture more from the side so I can see how much the tummy sticks up?
Is this the only squirrel you have, or does she has siblings?
Momof2boys
08-06-2019, 08:27 PM
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Momof2boys
08-06-2019, 08:36 PM
They were injured and did not make it. I was told they hit the pavement.
Javarat
08-06-2019, 08:36 PM
No...she definitely does not look bloated.
I am beginning to think she is hiding her poop in the bedding as diarrhea.
Momof2boys
08-06-2019, 10:44 PM
She used to poop very well right after eating then she stopped pooping then she did....a lot yesterday. Then stopped again. Will start the apple juice tonight. I thought the yellow stains were urine. When will she start pooping normal again?
Momof2boys
08-06-2019, 10:47 PM
Does she look dehydrated I am terrified I am doing things wrong.
Javarat
08-07-2019, 02:14 AM
Does she look dehydrated I am terrified I am doing things wrong.Check her neck with a pinch for dehydration.
Most important right now is her temperature. Feel her with your hand frequently. As I said, she should feel warm (like toast), but not hot (like coffee). You can also put a wet rag in the corner of her tub (where she cannot reach it) to add some humidity. You should see her twitching and moving pretty often, like she is dreaming.
After a very large poop.. she could take days to poop again, if she dumped all of what she had. She does not have a lot to poop per meal right now as most is turning into squirrel. We want to concentrate on how her tummy looks and feels, and does she act hungry. And record her weight to see if she is gaining or losing weight.
You mentioned that her siblings died from a fall. It is possible that she could have internal injuries, but you should normally have seen some discoloration by now if that was the case.
I am thinking that she unloaded all the poop in her on Monday, and is slowly filling back up, with some coming out as diarrhea. At 1.25 ml per feeding she is getting very little solids per feeding.
You are tired and getting very little sleep.. so it is normal to feel stressed out and worry.
Javarat
08-07-2019, 03:51 AM
I thought the yellow stains were urine.Urine just looks wet... any yellow staining is from poop.
Momof2boys
08-07-2019, 04:42 AM
It’s 4am and I just finished feeding her she always seems hungry and even opens her mouth for more. She gets so excited at feedings that it is sometimes hard to get syringe in mouth. Can I alternate in between feeding of water then apple juice just to make sure she don’t dehydrate?
Javarat
08-07-2019, 08:44 AM
It’s 4am and I just finished feeding her she always seems hungry and even opens her mouth for more. She gets so excited at feedings that it is sometimes hard to get syringe in mouth. Can I alternate in between feeding of water then apple juice just to make sure she don’t dehydrate?You can alternate diluted apple juice and water between feedings if you want. The diluted apple juice was a suggestion, but you can do just water between feedings, since her tummy does not seem to be extended.
Note that her skin will feel dry. Squirrels perspire through their feet, not their skin. Check the bottom of her feet to see if she is perspiring.
If she seems hydrated... skip the extra water now and then and try to get some sleep between two feedings.
She is going to be on 3 hour feedings for about 3 more weeks. You don't want to collapse from exhaustion.
See if you can get someone you trust and teach them how to do a feeding and stimulation.. and have them do some feedings so you can sleep for 5 to 6 hours every now and then.
Javarat
08-07-2019, 09:50 AM
If you teach someone else to do a feeding, make sure they know the most important parts are..
- formula temperature (check on wrist just like a human baby)
- sitting up position
- syringe at an upwards angle into mouth
- go very slow
- how much to feed
Check her weight daily to recompute how much to feed.
Javarat
08-07-2019, 11:20 AM
Reading back through the thread... I see that you said she pooped a lot on Monday morning. So she has not pooped for 48 hours.
I know you are feeling very worried right now, which is normal.
I frequently see babies go through this stage... but it is new to you.
So I wanted to point out that you can probably remember this happening to yourself. You ate a food that upset your tummy (maybe chinese or indian food), spent a long time in the bathroom, and then did not poop for 4 days because you were so empty. This is probably what we are looking at here. You introduced the baby to a new food.. she dumped a LOT of poop, and is now filling back up. This can take up to 4 days with a baby squirrel.
She is acting hungry, and demands more when you cut her off at 5%... This is a VERY good thing. When a baby is starving it means they feel good.
(We don't want to go over 5% because it would over fill her tummy. Which could cause another upset tummy, another 'dump', and an even longer wait for poop.)
Her tummy is not extended, feels soft like a water balloon, and has no discolorations... all very good signs.
I think actually you are probably in worse shape than she is.
Momof2boys
08-07-2019, 05:02 PM
Yes I think I am. She is eating very well every time I wipe off her mouth she keeps it open for more. Been giving her water in between feedings and peeing very well. She is very spunky and hangs on to my finger. I will be teaching my son how to feed her will give him a syringe to practice on with water to learn how to feed her slowly. I give you a lot props for what you do, this is such an emotional roller coaster. I really appreciate all your help it is the only thing keeping me sane.
Javarat
08-08-2019, 07:49 AM
Thursday morning: If she still has not pooped... if you could post her weight, and more pictures so we can compare to yesterday.
Momof2boys
08-08-2019, 07:50 AM
She finally pooped at 7:40 this morning. She now weighs 27 grams. Will she now poop after every feeding? Or will it be normal she will every few days?
Javarat
08-08-2019, 08:02 AM
She finally pooped at 7:40 this morning. She now weighs 27 grams. Will she now poop after every feeding? Or will it be normal she will every few days?
We have poop! :bliss
She may stutter for a while... but she should soon steady out and start pooping after almost every meal.
She may poop at every other meal today.
At 27 grams she can now eat 1.35 ml.
Momof2boys
08-09-2019, 08:22 AM
Good morning she now weights 29 grams. She is pooping well so far. How much food now should I give her
Javarat
08-09-2019, 10:48 AM
Good morning she now weights 29 grams. She is pooping well so far. How much food now should I give herJust divide her weight by 20.
Example: 29 grams / 20 = 1.45 ml
Once her eyes open divide by 14.
Momof2boys
08-13-2019, 05:16 PM
She is up to 49 grams now . Have been giving her 2.45 ml of food but the 3 hours seems too close and she is not finishing her food. So far poop is good. Should I feed her every 4 hrs?
Javarat
08-13-2019, 05:54 PM
At her weight (49 grams) and 'not finishing food' you could do a feeding schedule like this:
2am 6am 9am Noon 4pm 7pm 10pm 2am
This gives you 2 four hour feedings at night, and one four hour feeding in the middle of the day (noon>4pm).
When I use this schedule I normally supplement a little water at 2pm, to help their hydration.
You can shift the entire schedule left or right... depending on what time is best to go to bed at night, or get up in the morning, because of real life events.
(Like I might shift it all an hour earlier, because my wife gets up at 8am)
A 3 hour schedule would give her 8 feedings.. a total of 19.6ml.
A 4 hour schedule would give her 6 feedings.. a total of 14.7ml
The schedule above would give her 7 feedings... a total of 17.15ml.. (less of an impact than a 4 hours schedule).
And it gives you some more time to sleep at night, and maybe a nap at noon.
Javarat
08-13-2019, 06:23 PM
I normally shift to 4 hour feedings at 'eyes open'.
And I reset their clock to 'now 5 weeks old'... because currently we are guessing their age.
At that point you can start letting them eat up to 8% body weight. I shoot for 7% (roughly weight divided by 14).
A week after that you can normally stop stimulating pee/poop, although it helps to keep it out of the bedding.
They WILL use a litter box on their own (no dust odor free cat litter) if it is provided. Place it at the furthest point from where they sleep.
I make a tray out of a 1' x 1' cardboard Amazon box, lined with plastic, and about a three inch rim.
Momof2boys
08-14-2019, 02:01 PM
I forgot to ask how much water should I give?
Javarat
08-14-2019, 05:30 PM
I forgot to ask how much water should I give?Up to 1ml, if she will take it.
And if she looks very well hydrated, you can skip the water and take a nap.
Momof2boys
08-25-2019, 08:03 PM
Up to 1ml, if she will take it.
And if she looks very well hydrated, you can skip the water and take a nap.
Hi I have another question, she is almost 6weeks old eyes are almost open, she is 88 grams so I am feeder her 4.40 ml. She just started having diarrhea after I fed her at 7pm.
Javarat
08-25-2019, 09:35 PM
An incident or two of diarrhea is not a worry.
Monitor her hydration level, and see if her appetite decreases.
Also check how warm she feels when you pick her up.. she may be getting hot as she starts to get fur, and need less heat or more layers between her and the heat.
You could add a little yogurt with probiotics to the formula, like vanilla aptiva with probiotics.
If the diarrhea continues tomorrow, post and we can offer a couple of different options.
Momof2boys
08-26-2019, 10:41 AM
An incident or two of diarrhea is not a worry.
Monitor her hydration level, and see if her appetite decreases.
Also check how warm she feels when you pick her up.. she may be getting hot as she starts to get fur, and need less heat or more layers between her and the heat.
You could add a little yogurt with probiotics to the formula, like vanilla aptiva with probiotics.
If the diarrhea continues tomorrow, post and we can offer a couple of different options. gave her activa vanilla last night in her formula, she is eating really good and wants more but still has her diarrhea. Should I add more activia? If so how much should I mix?
Javarat
08-26-2019, 02:18 PM
gave her activa vanilla last night in her formula, she is eating really good and wants more but still has her diarrhea. Should I add more activia? If so how much should I mix?You don't need much.. . just like a teaspoon in 6 oz of formula. It will take a while to kick in. Continue to add it with each new batch of formula.
You could try a drop of kaopectate in her mouth. Just one application. Wash it down with formula. When the actual kaopectate comes out the other end it may look black (so don't freak out).
Give her a little extra water (like half a ml) in between feedings, as the diarrhea may dehydrate her.
Momof2boys
08-26-2019, 02:22 PM
You don't need much.. . just like a teaspoon in 6 oz of formula. It will take a while to kick in. Continue to add it with each new batch of formula.
You could try a drop of kaopectate. Just one application. When the actual kaopectate comes out the other end it may look black (so don't freak out).
Give her a little extra water (like half a ml) in between feedings, as the diarrhea may dehydrate her.
Thank you so much I am beginning to panicked Again.
Momof2boys
08-26-2019, 03:46 PM
You don't need much.. . just like a teaspoon in 6 oz of formula. It will take a while to kick in. Continue to add it with each new batch of formula.
You could try a drop of kaopectate in her mouth. Just one application. Wash it down with formula. When the actual kaopectate comes out the other end it may look black (so don't freak out).
Give her a little extra water (like half a ml) in between feedings, as the diarrhea may dehydrate her. will 6oz of formula go bad after 24 hours? I will be picking up the kaopectate now. So I don’t mess up how much of it should I give?
Javarat
08-26-2019, 04:41 PM
will 6oz of formula go bad after 24 hours? I will be picking up the kaopectate now. So I don’t mess up how much of it should I give?You can mix up to 24 hours worth of formula and store it in the fridge, pouring out what you need per feeding and slowly warming it in the microwave, stirring well. (It is safe to warm it in the microwave ONCE, if you stir it a lot to remove 'hot spots'). You want to toss any formula that was mixed and stored in the fridge for more than 24 hours. And you never want to warm it, store it, and then rewarm it again. That creates bacteria growth which results in dark brown poop.
Momof2boys
08-26-2019, 05:08 PM
Ok I mixed 6oz formula with 1 teaspoon activia for her diarrhea. Will also give 1/2 ml of water in between feedings. Don’t want anything to happen after how far she has come.
Momof2boys
08-28-2019, 08:17 PM
Ok I mixed 6oz formula with 1 teaspoon activia for her diarrhea. Will also give 1/2 ml of water in between feedings. Don’t want anything to happen after how far she has come.
Her eyes are now completely open. Her poop is formed and soft not watery. I will start feeding her every 4 hours and divide her weight by 14. Should I be starting her on anything now to eat?
Javarat
08-28-2019, 10:03 PM
The first food she should encounter is Rodent Blocks. Most people use Henry's Healthy Blocks, which can be ordered online.
They will smell good, but it will confuse her that she cannot drink them. She will figure out how to chew on them.
She will shred them for a while, and not eat them. That is fine. We want her to get used them as her staple food, as they are the most balanced diet.
We won't introduce any other foods until she starts playing, in week 6. Give her formula as long as she will accept it.. even all the way to release. It makes her more healthy.
You could give her some sticks to chew on, for teething and entertainment. Use dead sticks that have smooth bark, like poplar and oak. No rough bark like pine or fir.
When she gets older introduce other wild elements, like pine cones, leaves, bamboo, etc.
Once she is obviously eating the rodent blocks (hopefully 2 per day) introduce small amounts of broccoli, cabbage, arugula, or cauliflower. Limit fruits to like 1 grape per day. No nuts at all.
Momof2boys
09-01-2019, 10:08 AM
The first food she should encounter is Rodent Blocks. Most people use Henry's Healthy Blocks, which can be ordered online.
They will smell good, but it will confuse her that she cannot drink them. She will figure out how to chew on them.
She will shred them for a while, and not eat them. That is fine. We want her to get used them as her staple food, as they are the most balanced diet.
We won't introduce any other foods until she starts playing, in week 6. Give her formula as long as she will accept it.. even all the way to release. It makes her more healthy.
You could give her some sticks to chew on, for teething and entertainment. Use dead sticks that have smooth bark, like poplar and oak. No rough bark like pine or fir.
When she gets older introduce other wild elements, like pine cones, leaves, bamboo, etc.
Once she is obviously eating the rodent blocks (hopefully 2 per day) introduce small amounts of broccoli, cabbage, arugula, or cauliflower. Limit fruits to like 1 grape per day. No nuts at all.
Ordered Henry’s rodent block, she has not been very hungry as she usually is, is it ok to feed her every 5 hours.
Javarat
09-01-2019, 07:47 PM
If it has been a week since she opened her eyes, you can go to 5 hours.
But.. first try a schedule like this:
6am - 10am - 2pm - 6pm - 10pm .. this is 5 feedings, and you get to sleep from 10pm to 6am !
She will probably go light on the evening feedings, and heavy on the morning ones.
Momof2boys
09-10-2019, 07:19 AM
If it has been a week since she opened her eyes, you can go to 5 hours.
But.. first try a schedule like this:
6am - 10am - 2pm - 6pm - 10pm .. this is 5 feedings, and you get to sleep from 10pm to 6am !
She will probably go light on the evening feedings, and heavy on the morning ones.
I have read about the esbilac I was going to buy another can at petco but now I am not sure I will order the Fox valley 20/50 but I may still need to buy esbilac due to fox valley will take a few days for delivery. Will it be safe to do that?
Mel1959
09-10-2019, 09:15 AM
I have read about the esbilac I was going to buy another can at petco but now I am not sure I will order the Fox valley 20/50 but I may still need to buy esbilac due to fox valley will take a few days for delivery. Will it be safe to do that?
If you have to buy some and you have several pet stores around you, I would try to find a can that has “Made in the USA” with a flag on the label. The cans that seem to be causing the problems are the ones that have a new label that says “Crafted in the USA” and NO FLAG. Tractor Supply stores sell Esbilac as do many small feed stores.
Definitely order the FV 20/50 and gradually transition to it when it arrives.
Momof2boys
09-10-2019, 09:32 AM
If you have to buy some and you have several pet stores around you, I would try to find a can that has “Made in the USA” with a flag on the label. The cans that seem to be causing the problems are the ones that have a new label that says “Crafted in the USA” and NO FLAG. Tractor Supply stores sell Esbilac as do many small feed stores.
Definitely order the FV 20/50 and gradually transition to it when it arrives.
Ordered the fox valley will be here in 2 days. Will shop around today for the Esbilac made in US. Thank you again
Momof2boys
09-11-2019, 01:12 PM
FV will be here tomorrow how do u I introduce this to her? I did not buy anymore esbilac, she is having a bit diarrhea so I am adding actuvia and she is also taking bits of rodent block.
Mel1959
09-11-2019, 03:51 PM
When your fox valley arrives mix it according to directions (1 part powder to 2 parts hot water), also mix up some Esbilac, both in separate containers. When it’s time to feed fill 75% of the syringe with Esbilac and 25% with FV. Feed like this for a feeding or two. Then the next time you feed fill the syringe with 50% Esbilac and 50% FV for a feeding or two, then fill the syringe with 75% FV and 25% Esbilac for a feeding or two. After this you will be at 100% FV. It’s going to be hard to monitor her poop during the transition if she already has diarrhea.
Because the Esbilac is so bad, others may think you should transition her a little quicker, but the information I gave you is the typical way to transition to minimize GI issues.
Edit: I see Javarat feels transitioning immediately is a good idea. ��
Nancy in New York
09-11-2019, 03:59 PM
When your fox valley arrives mix it according to directions (1 part powder to 2 parts hot water), also mix up some Esbilac, both in separate containers. When it’s time to feed fill 75% of the syringe with Esbilac and 25% with FV. Feed like this for a feeding or two. Then the next time you feed fill the syringe with 50% Esbilac and 50% FV for a feeding or two, then fill the syringe with 75% FV and 25% Esbilac for a feeding or two. After this you will be at 100% FV. It’s going to be hard to monitor her poop during the transition if she already has diarrhea.
Because the Esbilac is so bad, others may think you should transition her a little quicker, but the information I gave you is the typical way to transition to minimize GI issues.
Edit: I see Javarat feels transitioning immediately is a good idea. ��
I've always transitioned them this way.
It prevents diarrhea, and the way you're
describing, they won't be on the bad stuff
for too long.
It's a pretty quick transition.
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