pneumonia

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

I have a boy and girl about 3 weeks boy won't drink anything his poop was kind of green. What do I Do

[lennysmom]

What are you feeding them and how much? And just to clairify, are they three weeks old, or have you had them three weeks?

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

I've had them almost 2 weeks their front teeth just came in. I've been giving them puppy milk and Pedialyte not together. She is doing good gaining weight he has had been having a hard time pooping and a little green

[Nancy in New York]

I've had them almost 2 weeks their front teeth just came in. I've been giving them puppy milk and Pedialyte not together. She is doing good gaining weight he has had been having a hard time pooping and a little green

Are you feeding the puppy POWDERED Esbilac?
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-CDTTKJg/0/1dcc5ec1/S/i-CDTTKJg-S.jpg

How long have you been giving Pedialyte? It should never
be given for more than 24 - 48 hours tops!

Green stools are often a sign of parasites. Is there a foul smell?
It could be giardia or coccidia.
How much do they weigh, how much are you feeding, and how often?
Are these your first squirrels?

Could he have aspirated? You say he won't drink anything, this is concerning.
Do you have access to any antibiotics, Clavamox, or Augmentin, Baytril (Animal) or Cipro (Human)

[Nancy in New York]

I emailed this member telling her to please come back on.
We are trying to help her.

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

I think he was aspirated. Couple nights ago he kept making a ticking noise. I got some antibiotics he is with someone else for a little bit till he gets better she is doing good. These are my first squirrels. What do u give for the paradites. His poop was green.

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

I've gave them Pedialyte for a few hours at a time Im not using the powder but just a puppy milk in a can. There has been no foul smell. It was just green a couple days then back to Golden color.

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

I feed them every 3 hours. I don't know if my scale is correct they are both about 48 g

[Mel1959]

They need the powdered Esbilac. The liquid is not the same and causes a problem with their intestines which results in diarrhea. If they have loose stools then offer water with a drop of honey BETWEEN feedings. Go very slow.

What antibiotic did you find for your boy?

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

Amoxicillin with honey

[SammysMom]

Amoxicillin is not good for loose stool issues. Ask around to see if anyone has flagyl or metronidazole

[Nancy in New York]

Amoxicillin with honey

Did you dose this?
If so how much did you give?

[HRT4SQRLS]

If you switch to the powdered Esbilac puppy formula the diarrhea might resolve itself.
The canned puppy Esbilac is notorious for causing diarrhea. The canned is not the same as the powdered formula.

[Mel1959]

I believe the amoxicillin is for ap in the boy. The loose stools are probably from the liquid Esbilac. Continue with the amoxicillin for his pneumonia. Yes, please tell us what dosage of the amoxicillin you are giving.

[HRT4SQRLS]

:thumbsup Yes, post 6. Didn't see that.

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

Im not sure the dosage I didn't give it to him I got ahold of a lady from a wild ;Ife rescue place she gave it to me I watched her give it to him she gave told me to just put it all in the girls milk. Can I get those other antibiotics at a pet feed store? What do I do for the parasites. My went to go get me some of the powder and heavy whipping cream.

[Mel1959]

At this point I wouldn’t be overly concerned about the diarrhea. You said it didn’t have a foul smell, correct? It probably is a result of feeding the wrong formula. You need to get the correct formula and switch them to it. The correct formula is the POWDERED ESBILAC with pre and probiotics on the label (or the third ingredient is whey protein). Because of the diarrhea you should offer some water with a touch of honey BETWEEN the regular feedings.

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

Is bactrim the same as baytril

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

I have bactrim 800/160mg

[Spanky]

No. Baytril is "enrofloxacin" which is similar to the human version Cipro ("ciprofloxacin").

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

I also have clindamycin

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

Can I give that for pneoumonia

[Spanky]

I am just reading your other thread: Are you giving Amoxicillin?

I think we (I) should combine your two threads, it is best to have everything about the same squirrel in a single thread, ok?

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

I' wasn't sure how to get back to the other one

[Nancy in New York]

I' wasn't sure how to get back to the other one
Your threads are merged now.

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

Cool will clindamycin treat pneumonia I don't have any amoxicillin but that first dose the lady gave me

[Spanky]

Cool will clindamycin treat pneumonia I don't have any amoxicillin but that first dose the lady gave me

No, clindamycin is not a good choice for pneumonia.


I have bactrim 800/160mg

Is the bactrim your have (800mg/160mg) a tablet, capsule or liquid form?

If you can provide a weight of the squirrel someone will help dose the Bactrim. Even if you start bactrim I would recommend you continue to try to look for other antibiotics that are quicker acting and better for pneumonia: Cipro, Baytril, Clavamox, Amoxil. You'd need only one pill (Cipro and Augmentin are pretty popular, maybe someone you knows has a single pill left over?)

Weird that you got a single dose from the rehabber... not sure what they expected a single dose to accomplish.

[Nancy in New York]

Cool will clindamycin treat pneumonia I don't have any amoxicillin but that first dose the lady gave me

Are you sure she didn't give you a syringe full of amoxi that you could dose out daily,
you know in small increments?
Do you remember how full the syringe was?

[Mel1959]

I’m confused reading your posts. You posted earlier that the rehab woman was keeping your little boy till he got better. (Post #6) Does she still have him or did she give him back to you? One dose of amoxicillin is not going to cure pneumonia. If you have the little boy, then it’s important that you find some of the recommended drugs to treat him.

Is your little girl still doing ok? No clicking and eating well?

Did you get the correct Esbilac formula? The powdered one.

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

I'm asking for the girl she has been making clicking noises since yesterday

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

The syringe she gave me was 3 ml half full it was amoxicillin mixed with honey

[Spanky]

The syringe she gave me was 3 ml half full it was amoxicillin mixed with honey

If these are 3 week old squirrels, 1.5ml to dose medications is a huge volume to be used in administering a single dose of medication.

Are you able to contact them to double check the instructions?

And we will need to know how much your squirrel weighs in order to dose any medications. If you don't have a scale maybe you could post a picture with her next to something to provide "scale", a common object like a soda can or writing pen.

Edit: Ok, I am just now seeing where you posted last night they weigh about 48grams, and so 1.5ml is indeed a large volume for a dose of medication. But we still need to know what the bactrim you have is (pills or liquid) and to be safe before giving more meds, if you could contact the rehabber that gave you to the amoxil just to double check what was provided: We do not want to overdose this little one on too much antibiotics... Also, do you have a 1ml syringe (that would be most useful / critical for medication dosing)?

[Nancy in New York]

No, clindamycin is not a good choice for pneumonia.



Is the bactrim your have (800mg/160mg) a tablet, capsule or liquid form?

If you can provide a weight of the squirrel someone will help dose the Bactrim. Even if you start bactrim I would recommend you continue to try to look for other antibiotics that are quicker acting and better for pneumonia: Cipro, Baytril, Clavamox, Amoxil. You'd need only one pill (Cipro and Augmentin are pretty popular, maybe someone you knows has a single pill left over?)

Weird that you got a single dose from the rehabber... not sure what they expected a single dose to accomplish.

Not sure if you saw this post.
What is the weight of the squirrel that you need help dosing?
We are trying to help you so try to keep checking the board for replies.
If this is aspiration pneumonia it kills quickly, so please stay on the board
until you get the dosing.

[Mel1959]

:hello:hello. How are your guys doing? Did you get the weight of the squirrel and do you have the antibiotic? These little guys go downhill fast with pneumonia. :imp

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

Ok I got more amoxicillin I've been giving her she seems to be doing better than she was yesterday but I'm not sure if there is blood in her stool or the orange Pedialyte ivve been giving between feedings. She's more active.

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

Ok I could figure out how to upload picture on my thread so I put it as my profile pic

[cava]

I can't see that photo very well.

When you're in the box where you type look at the toolbar. You'll see a square with a tree in it next to a film strip. Click on the tree box. It will give you the option of two tabs. One says upload from computer, the other from a URL. Choose from computer. Then it wants you to browse photos. Find the one you want on your computer, click on it and click ok. Then click "upload photo" and it will look something like, [attach] blah blah [attach] and hit preview post. You should see your photo in the preview. Choose Submit Reply and it will be posted to your thread.

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

I'm doing this on my phone I selected the picture but Its not showing any preview image buttons or anything I just tried to weigh her again it says 36 g

[cava]

email them to mycavacava@gmail.com and I'll post them for you. I think this baby is underweight. I am worried.

[cava]

Ok I got more amoxicillin I've been giving her she seems to be doing better than she was yesterday but I'm not sure if there is blood in her stool or the orange Pedialyte ivve been giving between feedings. She's more active.


Where did you get more amoxicillin? How much of it were you told to give?

She should only get pedialyte for 48 hours at the most. Switch to water in between her formula feedings. Is she eating the powdered puppy esbilac listed above?

She needs a probiotic especially if she got an overdose of amoxi the first time and if she's on it again. Send photos to me of her poo.

[cava]

Sent to my email tonight. I asked poster to please come back to her thread so we can help her (via email).

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[cava]

I see you're online. How is this baby doing today? Did you get my response regarding the correct formula this morning? Here's a photo in case you didn't.

Powdered Puppy Esbilac with pre and probiotics on the banner. She will need to be started on a diluted batch due to her condition but we'll help you work up to full strength. Please come back and post a response and give an update this morning.

https://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=300577&stc=1

[Nancy in New York]

How are the little ones doing this morning?

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

Im checking everywhere for esbilac Walmart has petag powder will that work for now

[Nancy in New York]

Im checking everywhere for esbilac Walmart has petag powder will that work for now

No, you absolutely need the one listed above.
Do you have any farm and tractor stores around?
You should be able to get it there.

This is the ONLY one that is acceptable.

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-CDTTKJg/0/1dcc5ec1/O/i-CDTTKJg.jpg

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

Oh I guess petag is esbilac

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

Ok Im gonna go get it. She is dehydrated should I give her pedialyte

[Nancy in New York]

Oh I guess petag is esbilac

PetAg is the company name, they make different formulas.
You NEED PetAg Esbilac.

See the one below, THIS IS WRONG, but it's still made by PetAg

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[Nancy in New York]

Ok Im gonna go get it. She is dehydrated should I give her pedialyte

Do NOT give Pedialyte for more than 24-48 hours TOPS.
You can give her warm water with a touch just for taste, of honey after.
Have you give pedialyte yet to her?

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

Oh wow ok

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

No I haven't I've been trying to give her water she drinks a little then falls asleep

OK then give her some Pedialyte, in between feedings.
NO more than 24 hours. Then if she needs something go to water with a touch of honey.
Is she taking formula?
What size syringe are you using, and are you using a nipple?

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

I've been giving water with a tiny bit of honey I haven't giving Pedialyte anymore

[Nancy in New York]

I've been giving water with a tiny bit of honey I haven't giving Pedialyte anymore

OK that's fine.
Is she severely dehyrated?
Is she taking formula?

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

Not today

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

She seems to be getting better but if anymore than 2 hrs goes by she's worse.

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

How often should I be feeding her

[Nancy in New York]

She seems to be getting better but if anymore than 2 hrs goes by she's worse.

You mean that she dehydrates quickly?
If that's the case try Pedialyte in between formula feedings,
for no more than 24 hours.
Are you feeding her formula?

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

She's not wanting to drink should I try to give a;ittle formula with water

She needs to stay hydrated or she will die.
When they are dehydrated they don't want to eat.
When was the last time you gave her formula?
When was the last time she took any substantial hydration?
What your describing is critical and not good.

You have a rehabber there, can you get this little one to her?

[Nancy in New York]

How often should I be feeding her
What is her weight and how often are you feeding now.
How much does she take at each feeding?

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

Yes she dehydrates quick;y

[Nancy in New York]

Yes she dehydrates quick;y

HOW MUCH hydration are you giving and how often.

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

About 1.5 CC's

[Nancy in New York]

About 1.5 CC's

How often?

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

I have been hydrating pretty much every 30 minutes for the past few days

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

She's 38 g she gained a couple I'm the past few days

[Nancy in New York]

This is a 1 cc syringe.
Are you giving her this whole thing, PLUS another 0.5 cc's?

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-6fXTJwR/0/cb295772/O/i-6fXTJwR.jpg

[Nancy in New York]

I have been hydrating pretty much every 30 minutes for the past few days

How much are you giving at each hydration feeding?
Did you say 1.5?

Are you giving her formula?

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

Well that's how much I filled; it up most of it gets wasted so she only drinks about 1 ml

[Nancy in New York]

Well that's how much I filled; it up most of it gets wasted so she only drinks about 1 ml

You mean she actually gets 1 whole syringe full?
Why does most of it get wasted?
Are you using a nipple?

[Nancy in New York]

Well that's how much I filled; it up most of it gets wasted so she only drinks about 1 ml

We may be cross posting here.
Do you mean that she gets hydration fluid at the amount of 1 ml every 30 minutes?
Or are you talking about formula?

[Nancy in New York]

I have to go off line for about an hour.
Please keep checking the board for replies.
I will be back asap.

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

Yes i hydration every 30 min

[Mel1959]

Can you get this baby to the rehabber that took the boy? This baby is critical. She will die without hydration and formula...and a 7 day course of antibiotics for aspiration pneumonia.

She has to have POWDERED Esbilac formula. Can you locate any? Tractor Supply Stores, Pet Supermarket and some feed stores that sell horse and animal supplies carry it. I’m not sure about Petco.

Are you still giving an antibiotic for aspiration pneumonia? The pneumonia, as well as being dehydrated, makes them unwilling to eat.

Please keep checking this thread and answer all the questions so we can help you in the best way possible.

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

Yes a little under 1.5 of formula as since she lost weight and I moved her feeding a little closer together

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

Yes the esbilac is on her way I, just working on getting her hydrated right now

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

How much amoxicillin do I need to be giving her

[Mel1959]

Do you have the strength of the amoxicillin? It should say something like ??mg/?ml.
Is she still clicking when she breathes?

[cava]

I have her weight now I need to know what the form (pill/liquid) and strength (mg or mg/ml) you have on hand in order for me to give you preparation and dosing instructions. I'll check back after feeding a baby.

If it's easier, take a photo of the amoxicillin you have.

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

It's the green capsule says lupin 500

[Mel1959]

Did you say that you have the powdered Esbilac on the way? What did you mean by that? Did someone go out to purchase it or did you order it online?

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

I sent my husband to get it again I made it very clear not to come back without the right thing

[cava]

That is a capsule of Cephalexin 500 mg. Not the same as Amoxicillin and I'm not sure how effective. Do you have ANY OTHER TABLETS of any other antibiotic ??

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

Wow the lady at vet clinic in PetSmart said it was amoxicilln I have bactrim

[cava]

What is the form and strength of the bactrim you have?

[Mel1959]

Can you send me a private message with your phone number and I’ll call you? It might be easier to talk with you then send messages.

[cava]

Can you send me a private message with your phone number and I’ll call you? It might be easier to talk with you then send messages.

:hug

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

Ok I got the esbilac

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

I can't get her to drink anything though

[cava]

Ok I got the esbilac

great!!

[Nancy in New York]

I can't get her to drink anything though

You need to get her to the rehabber asap.
She needs expert care.
Can you get her there?

[Mel1959]

I have been in touch with ILoveMyThing via phone. Baby has taken 1.5 cc of diluted Esbilac and received a dose of Cipro antibiotic. Thank you NINY for dosing. :Love_Icon I have made my number available for finder to contact with any issues.

[Nancy in New York]

I have been in touch with ILoveMyThing via phone. Baby has taken 1.5 cc of diluted Esbilac and received a dose of Cipro antibiotic. Thank you NINY for dosing. :Love_Icon I have made my number available for finder to contact with any issues.

Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:grouphug

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

Thank u guys so much I'm so glad this site exist

[Mel1959]

How is your little girl this morning? Is she still eating ok? The full strength formula should taste pretty good. :grin3

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

She's really Sneezy good she gets pretty full off of it she pooping good the diahrea is gone and getting shes stromger.

[Nancy in New York]

She's really Sneezy good she gets pretty full off of it she pooping good the diahrea is gone and getting shes stromger.

Do you mean she's eating good? :)
Remember don't let her tummy get hard,
it should feel like a half inflated water balloon when
she's done eating.
SO glad that she's getting stronger and the diarrhea is gone.
YOU are doing fantastic~:w00t

[Mel1959]

She's really Sneezy good she gets pretty full off of it she pooping good the diahrea is gone and getting shes stromger.

Do you mean she’s sneezing a lot? Is the clicking gone? Does she snort as she’s eating? Be careful she doesn’t inhale the milk. You need to hold back on the plunger so she doesn’t suck the formula down too quickly.

It will be a lot easier to feed her if you have a nipple for the syringe. If you want to pm (or call me) with your address I will send you some nipples and syringes. :grin2

[Mel1959]

I have overnited a package with supplies to finder. The package contains Ultraboost with mixing instructions. The baby did gain a few grams since yesterday, but is still underweight.

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

She gained 4 more grams. How much should she weigh at her age

[Mel1959]

There’s no hard and fast guide. The weight for squirrels is really different based on where you live. Gray squirrels in the south are much smaller than gray squirrels in the north.

Just be sure you adjust the amount you feed at each feeding based on what her weight is in the morning when you weigh her. The package should arrive today and you can add in the UltraBoost per the instructions I included. It will help her gain weight.

[Mel1959]

How’s your girl doing? Does the nipple make it easier to feed her? Sometimes it can take a little while for them to get the hang of it. :grin2

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

Yes. Wayyyy easier. Thank you so much.

[cava]

How is she doing, what is her today weight and can you post a photo?

[Mel1959]

How is your little girl doing? We’d love to see a picture of how much she’s grown! :Love_Icon

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

There is blood in her stool

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

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My phone camera is not good here is her poop it looks like blood clots to me

[Spanky]

She looks to be in extremely critical condition. It does look to be severe bleeding in her gut.

It would be helpful to get pictures in better lighting so we can see more details and color of the stools. And a picture of the entire baby, her whole body.

I have to wonder if she is having liver issues, she looks yellow. Are her eyes opened? If so is the area around the eye yellow and not white?

What color is her urine?

Is she still getting Cipro? That can cause severe diarrhea... have you been giving any sort of probiotics before or after the antibiotic / Cipro doses?

[cava]

This baby is critical. Would you be willing to hand her off to an experienced rehabber or can you take her to a vet we recommend??

[Mel1959]

Can you give us an update? How’s your little girl doing? Is she still bleeding? Did she take the yogurt?

[Mel1959]

I am posting some pictures for the finder for more eyes to see. The first picture is of the baby’s genitalia after a warm soak to remove dried blood. She had been applying triple antibiotic salve. I recommended using a cotton ball or make up brush so the scab isn’t disturbed and can heal. I made her aware to look for scabbing that would prevent the baby from urinating. The yellow appears to be a new scab maybe? How should she treat?

The second and third picture are to get input on whether the baby is bloated plus to show what she thinks is a swelling or lump on the right side of the body. We need some opinions, please?

At the moment, she is being given water in place of a feeding because of suspected bloat. She has done the warm water soak with massage and given one drop of simethicone. The baby has had bloody loose stools. She is no longer giving the antibiotic after 5 days of Cipro and a large initial dosing of amoxicillin. Yogurt was also given to help coat the intestines.

We are looking for some opinions and advice on how to move forward, please.

[cava]

Mel, thank you for all you are doing.

Is the vulva scabbed or is this crusted stool? If crusted stool, that's an easy fix. I recommend warm water cotton ball to cleanse and stimulate genitalia to avoid abrasion as well.

As for the mass in the abdomen, it could be a hematoma, intestinal malfunction, gas, stool, an organ, etc, etc. It's so hard to tell.

I'm not sure how long this baby should be without food if she has diarrhea. I think I would try to feed her again, a small amount --1 ml, and pay attention to milk line and changes in appearance of abdomen after a meal and if baby can digest. Can finder take a belly photo prior to meal, immediately after meal, and at one hour marks for three hours. It would help those of us who are having a hard time with this one assess the situation.

[Mel1959]

I am helping finder with bloat issues and feeding issues. This is a picture of last nights poo. No more blood. :w00t The baby has also peed. She has been told to work back up to full strength formula gradually with smaller feedings closer together.

Thanks to NINY :Love_Icon I have passed on the name of a rehabber close by for her to contact.

The second picture is baby after feeding last night before pooping.

[cava]

Are we sure no more blood? That looks like bloody mucus to me. It's a blurry photo, though. I'm happy baby is working up to full formula feedings, very slowly, and that things are moving.

Mel, thanks so much for your help with this little one. Since we don't hear much from OP on her thread it's been a real life saver that you have taken the time to go above and beyond off of the board and in your personal time. You're amazing and appreciated!:hug

[Mel1959]

No problem. I’m glad I can help. I’m sure the finder is exhausted trying to work through all the issues this little girl has had.

Here’s a current picture of this mornings stool.

[cava]

It's not straight blood but looks like blood tinged mucous. Not sure where else the reddish brown color would be coming from. Improvement for sure. I'm looking forward to seeing some beautiful yellow solid poops from this baby.

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

Sorry I don't respond much on here it's hard to even keep track of my phone I am kinda exhausted I get cat naps lol thank u Mel for real and thank u to everyone else trying to help she is peeing back to normal I think she is going to have a good turd next time.

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

I think the reason it looked so mucousy is from the triple antibiotic ointment I've been keekeeping on it

[Mel1959]

Thanks for the update. Her bowel movements will be yellow. That’s the formula color. Mommy color is black. Keep up with the feedings like I suggested.

Sorry I’m late telling you this, but sometimes it’s best to write everything down in a journal like the date, baby’s weight, changes to diet, changes in pee and poop pattern, etc. that way you can go back and see what change was made that had a positive, or negative, impact.

Let us know how the rest of the day goes. And if you call the rehabber.

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

Update- she is doing much better than she was last night I've been mixing the formula/water 80 /20. She is peeing she is crawling around feeding every 2 hrs the first time she could only take 0 .5, the second she took 0.6, third 0.7 so Im letting her move at her own pace.

[ILoveMyThing1&2]

That's what's ive been doing I have 3 weeks worth of logs. I'm trying to do it right. Lol

[cava]

Update- she is doing much better than she was last night I've been mixing the formula/water 80 /20. She is peeing she is crawling around feeding every 2 hrs the first time she could only take 0 .5, the second she took 0.6, third 0.7 so Im letting her move at her own pace.


Good job and thank you for the update. It's very helpful when giving advice to help. Hope she continues to improve:Love_Icon

[Mel1959]

Great! :great. It’s good that you have a record. It sounds like she is improving. I’m thrilled to hear that. :dance Please continue to let us know.