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TubeDriver
02-15-2018, 08:48 AM
I copied a post about finding an intact squirrel tail on the ground and then finding Mia cowed, with dried blood under both nostrils. Plan now is to watch her carefully and confirm teeth are intact/undamaged. I do have questions about whether she might have some dwarf characteristics? See below.....

From Mia’s thread:
I went out in the dark to give Mia her nightly booball. A few feet from her release cage, under a good size oak tree was an entire, intact squirrel tail just lying on the grass. I opened her cage and noticed no sounds or response at all. I lightly tapped on her nest box and finally saw a little nose poke up in the window, but there was dried blood all around both nostrils! At this point, I am quietly freaking out and I try to coax her out to get her dinner. Mia would not come out, she stayed inside on the covered patio of her nest box. I shone my light through both holes trying to see as much of her as I could. Blood on both nostrils, sone snorting sounds with breathing every 3-4 respirations but no other injuries to her head, front legs, front paws, or parts of her hindlegs and backside. It looked to me like she DOES have her tail intact! I removed the food from the top of her nest box (usual place) and placed it on the patio ledge. She poked her head out, yawned (bottom teeth looked good, could not get enough of a glance to clearly see top teeth) and picked up the boo ball!

I decided to just let her sleep though the night and check on her first thing this morning. I went out and opened her cage and tapped on the nest box and nothing. I was wondering if I had made a terrible mistake in not capturing her last night and I imagined her dead in her nest box. I then saw two squirrels in a furious chase in some trees behind my yard. The squirrel being chased ended up on a tree branch and was watching me intently. I looked and saw what appeared to be dried blood under her nose, Mia? She actually came down and came up to me for a treat. She moved fine, no injuries and she had her complete tail!

No idea what happened but I think either a dog or a hawk got Mia’s sleeping buddy (a little squirrel that had been sharing her nest on cold days) and Mia got away but had a fall in the process? I carefully searched my yard and looked intently at my neighbor’s yards but saw nothing (no body, no tuffs of hair, nothing).

One more thing, I will post up photos of her but I wonder if Mia falls a bit on the squirrel dwarf spectrum? Not a full dwarf but with some of the characteristics? I remember when I first opened her release cage, she spent a lot of time on the ground and hiding under the release cage while other releases quickly went to trees. She has a sort of small, roundish appearing head compared to the rest of her body. She looks a little clumsy in comparison, sort of a little bumbling looking. Hard to describe how she moves but normal squirrel’s movements are sharp, quick, almost explosive. Mia’s movements are softer, less focused.

She was at the base of an oaktree and another wild came into the backyard over to the tree. Mia went around the base and peeked around at the squirrel with a curious look on her face. The wild chased her a couple feet but lost interest with me standibg there. Mia’s face looks a little bit like a younger squirrel, clearly not a dwarf but just a bit rounder looking than the angular lines on an adult squirrel.

Also, Mia has not transitioned from her release cage nest box to the trees. Could she fall somewhere in the dwarf spectrum?

stosh2010
02-15-2018, 08:56 AM
Mornin...
I have no answers to your queries...but I do send my prayers for her protection and healthy growth.
( must have been devastating to find that tail !)

Chickenlegs
02-15-2018, 11:34 AM
Pete I think the condition IS a spectrum and Mia could be on it. I had a HUGE squirrel—Tickles—that had every one of the markers when she was a baby. Tickles grew up (boy did she grow up!). She got out and wanted to stay there. She hung around for years. I often wonder if she wasn’t on the spectrum. I have heard—and I recall the origin was Dr. E via a little dwarf squirrel’s mom (Penelope)—that 10% of the squirrel population are dwarfs. Now that is a HUGE percentage but it appears there are animals with the earmarks of ”dwarfism” throughout the animal kingdom. There should actually be a better term for it as size is just one marker. I wish we could all hire lifeguards to protect our released babies. My guess is Mia would take a dim view of moving back inside. Sweet sleep to the little squirrel who’s race is run.

TubeDriver
02-15-2018, 12:49 PM
Thanks for the advice. I agree, Mia would NOT like to be back inside IMHO. She might be a bit of a bumbler but she has a serious attitude with me, I would say she tolerates me but I don't let me hands get too close to her at this point! :shark1

I am still hoping she will move up into the trees in the spring. If she continues to live in the release cage out back, I will probably have to make some type of permanent enclose for her. Something close to the ground so other squirrels will not want to move in but completely secure from predators.


Pete I think the condition IS a spectrum and Mia could be on it. I had a HUGE squirrel—Tickles—that had every one of the markers when she was a baby. Tickles grew up (boy did she grow up!). She got out and wanted to stay there. She hung around for years. I often wonder if she wasn’t on the spectrum. I have heard—and I recall the origin was Dr. E via a little dwarf squirrel’s mom (Penelope)—that 10% of the squirrel population are dwarfs. Now that is a HUGE percentage but it appears there are animals with the earmarks of ”dwarfism” throughout the animal kingdom. There should actually be a better term for it as size is just one marker. I wish we could all hire lifeguards to protect our released babies. My guess is Mia would take a dim view of moving back inside. Sweet sleep to the little squirrel who’s race is run.

kcassidy
02-15-2018, 01:24 PM
Pictures please!

island rehabber
02-15-2018, 04:22 PM
Pete I am wondering if Mia and the owner of the tail were part of a mating chase. The males will pounce on each other and rip at each other's hindquarters in an effort to restrain the competition and take the lead; a tail could rip off during these fiascos for sure. I wonder if Mia was the object and she got injured in the whole event, and the tail belonged to one poor guy in the race..... :dono

Nancy in New York
02-15-2018, 05:11 PM
Scary story for sure.
I wonder if Mia will continue to be an
"inside"/outside squirrel. It's great that she has
a safe place to come if she's not up for release yet.

I also wonder if Mia KNOWS that she's not quite like
the others and that's why she chose to stay behind. :thinking

Be carfeul little one. I'm so happy that you are safe and sound.:Love_Icon

TubeDriver
02-15-2018, 05:14 PM
That is something I had not considered. I know the mating chase is brutal but I did not think a squirrel could cleanly remove another squirrels entire tail? If I see a tailless squirrel than that might supprt your suggestion! I have seen mating chases occuring over the last month or so, the timing is right.

Mia being chased (with her being sort of clumsy) would fit exactly with what could have happened to make her fall.:great Ilike this better than the hawk/dog option.




Pete I am wondering if Mia and the owner of the tail were part of a mating chase. The males will pounce on each other and rip at each other's hindquarters in an effort to restrain the competition and take the lead; a tail could rip off during these fiascos for sure. I wonder if Mia was the object and she got injured in the whole event, and the tail belonged to one poor guy in the race..... :dono

TubeDriver
02-15-2018, 05:16 PM
Leaving work now to head home and fed my grouchy little fuzzbutt!



Scary story for sure.
I wonder if Mia will continue to be an
"inside"/outside squirrel. It's great that she has
a safe place to come if she's not up for release yet.

I also wonder if Mia KNOWS that she's not quite like
the others and that's why she chose to stay behind. :thinking

Be carfeul little one. I'm so happy that you are safe and sound.:Love_Icon

TubeDriver
02-15-2018, 07:59 PM
So Mia was waiting for me in her release cage. She looks uninjured except for the dried blood on her nostrils. She snorts when she eats (but not when she is not eating) so she is probably mouth breathing due to her nose being clogged and swollen.

I watched her eat an almond and she appeared to bite it normally but I could not get a glance at her top teeth. Her tail looks perfect!:dance


Eating a boo ball. Her lower jaw might be reddish?
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-XNnK3w7/0/40743ff7/XL/i-XNnK3w7-XL.jpg (https://peteralexander.smugmug.com/Mick-and-Mia/n-69TvWH/i-XNnK3w7/A)

Dried blood on her nose.
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-pnGHHbv/0/4b464f73/XL/i-pnGHHbv-XL.jpg (https://peteralexander.smugmug.com/Mick-and-Mia/n-69TvWH/i-pnGHHbv/A)

My girl Mia!
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-FQJfJbN/0/2702acb0/XL/i-FQJfJbN-XL.jpg (https://peteralexander.smugmug.com/Mick-and-Mia/n-69TvWH/i-FQJfJbN/A)

Mel1959
02-15-2018, 08:05 PM
Glad to hear she’s keeping to her routine. Continued prayers she keeps doing well. :Love_Icon:grouphug

island rehabber
02-15-2018, 09:05 PM
That is something I had not considered. I know the mating chase is brutal but I did not think a squirrel could cleanly remove another squirrels entire tail?

Oh, they'll remove a lot more than that, I'm afraid. Twice I've been called to rescue males during the season whose rivals had actually castrated them. I could not save either one....it was awful.

Nancy in New York
02-15-2018, 09:07 PM
She's beautiful.
Glad you're in the RC little girl.:Love_Icon
Stay safe.

TubeDriver
02-15-2018, 09:16 PM
:eek


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Oh, they'll remove a lot more than that, I'm afraid. Twice I've been called to rescue males during the season whose rivals had actually castrated them. I could not save either one....it was awful.