Cruiser DUDE in BIG DISTRESS Jan 19,2018

[stosh2010]

This morning Cruiser's cage was spattered with blood--LOTS of it. I don't know when it started, but he was up & on his log inside his cage when i entered his room this morning at 5:30 am. His paws and right eye were really bloody as well as a thin red line on his chest . It might all have come from his nose, as he rubs it quite often due to his odontoma. He also shakes his head a lot to clear it of mucus and if his nose was bleeding, that would account for the blood splatter. I fear it is quickly progressing to advanced/lethal stages.
He is now sitting on the floor, breathing slowly. He NEVER just sits on the floor. He did eat a few almendras that I opened for him. I am trying to stay calm and be close to him. But I am really getting worried.

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[Rianna]

Oh my! How scary! I don't have any answers but please know my prayers are with you all.
Sending hugs to you, Rosie, and the Dude!

[stosh2010]

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After sitting on the floor for 30 minutes, Cruiser did climb up on the branches in the Tree Room. Still lots of breathing difficulty but he has had similar issues for a long time. It's the BLOOD that is new--- & quite upsetting. It has NOT been bleeding for the past 2 hours. I never saw any active bleeding. It all occurred before I removed him from his cage.
Any Prayers offered for the DUDE will be gladly accepted.

[stosh2010]

Oh my! How scary! I don't have any answers but please know my prayers are with you all.
Sending hugs to you, Rosie, and the Dude!

Thank You
Prayers are what he needs most. Last January (2017) the DUDE :dudehad several terrible days, and I really thought it was his last days. I prayed that Cruiser :dude2 would get stronger and see another birthday. WELL_ he did make it another year. His birthday was 2 weeks ago ( I guess I should have prayed for 5 more birthdays). maybe he will get past this scary morning...I don't know. I only hope that when his final day does come, it is fast, and without stress or pain. He is the BEST little guy in my CREW.

I HATE ODONTOMA !!!!

[lennysmom]

Oh no, this breaks my heart. Many prayers for sweet Cruiser.:Love_Icon:grouphug

[MyBushyTail]

Sending many prayers.

[LR]

Our prayers go out for all of you. Hoping the rest of the day is easier for Dude.

[stosh2010]

ATTENTION all members that have dealt with odontoma in their squirrels.
I am hoping to get FEEDBACK regarding the start of bloody discharge.
Is this a passing thing --or does it mark a steady decline.
I just want to be aware & prepared for the inevitable.
My buddy-CRUISER--and I will fight --as is needed.

[lukaslolamaus]

Sending tons of prayers :grouphug :Love_Icon

[stosh2010]

Our prayers go out for all of you. Hoping the rest of the day is easier for Dude.
also---LR, lennysmom, MyBushyTail, lucaslolamaus...
Thanks for the PRAYERS and good wishes....

Cruiser ate some breakfast and we dosed him with Tramadol. He is resting quietly. He looks weary and the sparkle is out of his eye, but we pray he gets more active as the day progresses.

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[Scooterzmom]

Sending prayers, and love, and all the good vibes I can muster for your little guy and all of you. I know just how horrible it is to feel so helpless when they hurt. :Love_Icon

[Chickenlegs]

Oh sweet boy. Feel better—for you and your loving folks. If only we could teleport Dr. E down your way. Odotoma are EVIL but your love has carried him through crisis thus far and if love can make him well, he’ll be dancing in no time. Sending loving prayers for you all. :Love_Icon Cruiser :Love_Icon

[island rehabber]

stosh, you said that he paws at his face a lot.....I wonder if, in his sleep, he really gouged himself either on the gumline or even his eye. Facial injuries bleed like a sunofab*tch because the skin is thinner there. Poor sweet Dude.....

[TubeDriver]

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I am praying for Cruiser Dude, he is as fine of a squirrel as has ever existed!




Stash, can you gently clean him up with a soft, wet, warm towel? Try to find where the blood is coming from? I think it would be much better if it is from an external cut (under eye or mouth) but if so, that also might indicate how much pain CD is in.:( If the blood is coming from his nose or mouth than I would thank that might mean the Odontomas have really progressed? That is a lot of blood in those photos, the sinuses in the nose are rich with blood vessels which is why nose bleeds can produce some much blood. :(

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[BCChins]

Praying for Dude, Stosh and Rama Momma.

I was looking at the pictures and look in his right ear is there a small cut in the center of it?
Would not explain the heavy breathing but hoping it is not his teeth.

Hugs to you all.
Come on Dude fight little guy fight

[CritterMom]

Poor Cruiser! Can you gently start cleaning him up with some warm water under the guise of stroking him? Maybe use a small piece of washcloth or something so you aren't dripping water all over and just slowly begin cleaning him and examining him to see if this is perhaps something surface hidden in his fur or if it did indeed come from inside his nose.

Let him rest as long as he gets some food and water - he lost a pretty goodly amount of blood and needs to recharge.

[Baxied]

:grouphug Sending healing thoughts and prayers for Cruiser Dude! :grouphug

[stosh2010]

CritterMom wrote: Poor Cruiser! Can you gently start cleaning him up with some warm water under the guise of stroking him?
Let him rest as long as he gets some food and water - he lost a pretty goodly amount of blood and needs to recharge.

TubeDriver wrote:
Stosh, can you gently clean him up with a soft, wet, warm towel? Try to find where the blood is coming from? I think it would be much better if it is from an external cut (under eye or mouth)


WE did give the DUDE a "sponge bath" to remove the dry blood and to see in some wound had escaped our eyes. He looked fine after the washing.

[stosh2010]

Sending prayers, and love, and all the good vibes I can muster for your little guy and all of you. I know just how horrible it is to feel so helpless when they hurt. :Love_Icon

The DUDE spent some time this morning...laying flat out--on his belly--on the floor.
THAT--is very unlike him.

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[stosh2010]

Oh sweet boy. Feel better—for you and your loving folks......... Sending loving prayers for you all.

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Cruiser went into his nest box...and then a little time later...got up and just rested his head on the side of his box. Then when I started to rub his head---he didn't budge...Normally he would jump and move away. It scared me.

[stosh2010]

I am praying for Cruiser Dude, ......he is as fine of a squirrel as has ever existed!






AMEN---to THAT

[stosh2010]

Praying for Dude, Stosh and Rama Momma.

I was looking at the pictures and look in his right ear is there a small cut in the center of it?
Would not explain the heavy breathing but hoping it is not his teeth.

Hugs to you all.
Come on Dude fight little guy fight

I will inspect tomorrow--He's sleeping now.

[stosh2010]

stosh, you said that he paws at his face a lot.....I wonder if, in his sleep, he really gouged himself either on the gumline or even his eye. Facial injuries bleed like a sunofab*tch because the skin is thinner there. Poor sweet Dude.....

He paws his face because his sinus and air ways are full of mucus...
I'll have to teach him how to use a handkerchief....
Poor little guy.
After washing off the blood--no wounds were found.

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Even looking weary--- is so much better than when he awoke early today and was having severe breathing issues..

[stosh2010]

:grouphug Sending healing thoughts and prayers for Cruiser Dude! :grouphug

PRAYERS are always welcomed..........


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[TubeDriver]

I wish you had found an injury on his face or head. If there are no external injuries than the blood must have come from his nose or mouth?


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[Nancy in New York]

Prayers for your SPECIAL little buddy, Dude. :Love_Icon

[Diggie's Friend]

With odontomas it is moreover a given he has had a habit of chewing on a cage wire, that provokes odontomas to form.

Sorry I haven't followed along your thread of late; was he actually diagnosed with odontomas by x ray?
Do you have baby benedryl?

It isn't uncommon for squirrels to get their teeth caught on a cage then pulling back their front incisors snap off. Yet they can also fracture their incisors further up inside of the socket.

To test to feel if one of his incisers are involved, apply a very light floating amount of pressure sideways just below the gumline of each tooth with your finger wet, to feel if there is any shifting of movement. Be sneaky, use a low soft voice soothing tone to your voice. If he flinches you will know that the tooth is likely painful and may be suspect for the source of bleeding. Check it again the next day to see if he flinches, to support whether it a matter of not wanting to be touched, or actually painful.

[Jen413]

Poor Dude. Looks like he had some white tears lingering in his eye too. Wonder if his nose started bleeding and he groomed himself in an attempt to do something about it and that’s how it ended up around his eye.

I’m sure it was terrifying. Praying for all of you. :grouphug

[cava]

Oh Stosh, I'm so sorry to hear this news. My heart goes out to your little man. Did you check inside his mouth yet?

I'll be keeping him in my thoughts today. :hug

[HRT4SQRLS]

Stosh and Rosie... my prayers are with you and your crew. :grouphug I pray for a miracle.
Peace to you my friends. :Love_Icon

[stosh2010]

With odontomas it is moreover a given he has had a habit of chewing on a cage wire, that provokes odontomas to form.

Sorry I haven't followed along your thread of late; was he actually diagnosed with odontomas by x ray?
Do you have baby benedryl?

It isn't uncommon for squirrels to get their teeth caught on a cage then pulling back their front incisors snap off. Yet they can also fracture their incisors further up inside of the socket.

To test to feel if one of his incisers are involved, apply a very light floating amount of pressure sideways just below the gumline of each tooth with your finger wet, to feel if there is any shifting of movement. Be sneaky, use a low soft voice soothing tone to your voice. If he flinches you will know that the tooth is likely painful and may be suspect for the source of bleeding. Check it again the next day to see if he flinches, to support whether it a matter of not wanting to be touched, or actually painful.
X-rays are not available in my area. The X-ray vet office uses injections to calm the squirrel and I won't allow that. They have ZERO experience with squirrels and my CREW will not be their "Test Dummies" .




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[kathy291]

I hope the Dude and his Mommy and Daddy have a better day today! Sending lots of good vibes!

[stosh2010]

Poor Dude. Looks like he had some white tears lingering in his eye too. Wonder if his nose started bleeding and he groomed himself in an attempt to do something about it and that’s how it ended up around his eye.

I’m sure it was terrifying. Praying for all of you. :grouphug

I agree--that is how the blood got around his face and eyes....

[stosh2010]

Stosh and Rosie... my prayers are with you and your crew. :grouphug I pray for a miracle.
Peace to you my friends. :Love_Icon

That would be nice....The DUDE deserves to have a long,happy,"healthy" life. Lets hope I am wrong about the Odontoma problem...and he just gets stronger & stronger.


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[stosh2010]

I hope the Dude and his Mommy and Daddy have a better day today! Sending lots of good vibes!

The Dude--- :dude .....is looking better today.(No Blood--at all) a little lethargic, but he is close to normal.

[stosh2010]

Oh Stosh, I'm so sorry to hear this news. My heart goes out to your little man. Did you check inside his mouth yet?

I'll be keeping him in my thoughts today. :hug

We will check his ears and mouth today...we don't want to stress him, so we spread out any thing that requires us to grab & hold him.

[muggsy'sgm]

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Yay for Dude and family! Been following his story on here, and this update makes me smile. Go, Dude!

[stosh2010]

Prayers for your SPECIAL little buddy, Dude. :Love_Icon

Keep them coming...he's not "cured" yet....

[stosh2010]

I wish you had found an injury on his face or head. If there are no external injuries than the blood must have come from his nose or mouth?


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I agree--probably his nose....

[stosh2010]

The DUDE is much better today---
His eye is still leaking / weeping... maybe from pain. We gave one more dose of Tramadol.
He is acting almost normal. Sunday will be even better.
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[Nancy in New York]

Poor little precious Dude.:Love_Icon
He may have scratched the eye with one of his nails.
It's probably impossible to detect with the naked
eye. Usually Fluorescein eye stain is used to know for sure.
Did you try to rince it with saline solution? I wonder if that
would feel soothing.
I hope he feels better really soon.
Glad he got some Tramadol.

[cava]

Oh look at that sweet face. I'm glad you are able to get pain meds into him.
Fingers crossed he's even better by tomorrow. Hang in there Dude.:Love_Icon:Love_Icon

[stosh2010]

Poor little precious Dude.:Love_Icon
He may have scratched the eye with one of his nails.
It's probably impossible to detect with the naked
eye. Usually Fluorescein eye stain is used to know for sure.
Did you try to rince it with saline solution? I wonder if that
would feel soothing.
I hope he feels better really soon.
Glad he got some Tramadol.

There is an entire MOB of WELL-WISHERS...
and Cruiser needs every one.
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[stosh2010]

Oh look at that sweet face. I'm glad you are able to get pain meds into him.
Fingers crossed he's even better by tomorrow. Hang in there Dude.:Love_Icon:Love_Icon

We could ALL learn from our squirrels---
They never complain, never wonder "WHY ME ?"
They just--- "Hang In There !"
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>>>> and trust us to do the RIGHT THING...

[RamaMama]

Dude has never fooled around with the wire on his cage..... he DID fall from his nest in
the trees and land on his face as a baby. He came to us with a bloody mouth and nose -
it took stosh 3 days to clean out all the blood from Dude's nostrils.

We feel the fall greatly damaged his tooth buds and sinus as he was close to 4 months old before his 2 top incisors grew in and grew in malformed. At first he was able to scritch on almendra nuts but over time the crookedness got worse and we had to start trimming his teeth. We have trimmed his teeth for years..... until a year ago .> > > when the four front stopped growing.
At that point his breathing issues, which he also has had for years, became exponentially WORSE !

The 'Wildlife Vet" in the US we contacted about Dude saw video's and photo's and was sent
a detailed description of events throughout Dude's life. When we spoke he said that in his professional opinion every event & symptom Screams "Odontoma".

[Jennefer]

Sending prayers and love and sugar to little Dude! Im praying for him to be strong & healthy. I know he's gonna have a great day tomorrow....its his day...national squirrel appreciation day!! And theres a lot for us to appreciate about Dude...he's a beauty!!! :Love_Icon:Love_Icon:hug:Sham:blowkiss
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[Grinderhead]

ATTENTION all members that have dealt with odontoma in their squirrels.
I am hoping to get FEEDBACK regarding the start of bloody discharge.
Is this a passing thing --or does it mark a steady decline.
I just want to be aware & prepared for the inevitable.
My buddy-CRUISER--and I will fight --as is needed.

I was sitting in Dr. Emerson's office today speaking to her about this when I PM you from this post you were looking for answers. I tried you did not acknowledge so sorry.

[stosh2010]

I was sitting in Dr. Emerson's office today speaking to her about this when I PM you from this post you were looking for answers. I tried >> you did not acknowledge so sorry.

Ooooops...Sorry I missed ya. ( Just sent a PM to you)

[stosh2010]

Sending prayers and love and sugar to little Dude! I'm praying for him to be strong & healthy. I know he's gonna have a great day tomorrow....its his day...national squirrel appreciation day!! And there's a lot for us to appreciate about Dude...he's a beauty!!!
:dude

Sunday is DUDE DAY

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[Chickenlegs]

EVERYDAY is Dude day! :Love_Icon:Love_Icon:Love_Icon

[Diggie's Friend]

So hard when those you care for so much are hurting; glad to hear he's doing better with the meds.

[stosh2010]

EVERYDAY is Dude day! :Love_Icon:Love_Icon:Love_Icon

I checked my calendar---You're RIGHT
EVERY DAY IS Dude Day...


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[stosh2010]

So hard when those you care for so much are hurting; glad to hear he's doing better with the meds.

He is better, but still fighting something.. But NOT emergency anymore.
(Admin. PLEASE move this thread to Non Life Threatening--for a few more days.)


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[kathy291]

I'm so glad the little guy is feeling better!

[stosh2010]

I'm so glad the little guy is feeling better!

BETTER but far from GREAT...He acts weird. Sitting atop his cage. Just staring off into space. Slowly nodding off, instead of climbing into his nest box ??
WE gave him a dose of Ibruprofin and he just ISN't our Happy Dude.
WE inspected his mouth and noticed something WHITE under & behind his upper incisors. Is that bone ? Part of his palate ?
we HAVE NO IDEA.
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[Nancy in New York]

BETTER but far from GREAT...He acts weird. Sitting atop his cage. Just staring off into space. Slowly nodding off, instead of climbing into his nest box ??
WE gave him a dose of Ibruprofin and he just ISN't our Happy Dude.
WE inspected his mouth and noticed something WHITE under & behind his upper incisors. Is that bone ? Part of his palate ?
we HAVE NO IDEA.
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Stosh take a slightly damp qtip to the white stuff and see if it comes out, AND
if you can smell an odor.
It looks like it's behind and a little above his teeth.
See that white with something in the middle that looks a little dark?

Edit: Sorry I see that you mentioned both places.

[TubeDriver]

:grouphugCruiser:grouphug

[Mel1959]

How is The Dude doing?

[Nancy in New York]

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Stosh take a slightly damp qtip to the white stuff and see if it comes out, AND
if you can smell an odor.
It looks like it's behind and a little above his teeth.
See that white with something in the middle that looks a little dark?

Edit: Sorry I see that you mentioned both places.

[TubeDriver]

Looks like an infection/pus to me? Could you remove any of that white stuff?

[CritterMom]

Thrush???

[island rehabber]

Thrush???

Good thinking, CritterMom. Thrush will also cause gum tissue to bleed.
I believe the correct AB for that would be Clavamox...

[Nancy in New York]

I wrote this post below a while back.
Here's a link explaining thrush,
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/oral-thrush/symptoms-causes/syc-20353533

Oral thrush is a yeast/fungal infection.



If you have a vet, call and ask them to give you a script.


http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/nancym518/Bronx%20Babies%202012/Bronx%20Babies%20%20part%202%20%202012/Wild%20Mammal%20Babies%20Medical%20Section/2044.jpg (http://s673.photobucket.com/user/nancym518/media/Bronx%20Babies%202012/Bronx%20Babies%20%20part%202%20%202012/Wild%20Mammal%20Babies%20Medical%20Section/2044.jpg.html)

[CritterMom]

If I am not mistaken, it will actually have a "yeasty" smell if it is thrush.

Coconut oil is actually an herbal treatment used topically. No idea how well it works.

[Scooterzmom]

That white stuff doesn't look normal in the healthy mouth of a squirrel. I can't tell for sure, not seeing it live but i wonder if he may have an abscess there. Just MHO but I think IR's suggestion of Clavamox may be a wise choice, be that for thrush or for an abscess. The experts can chime in, I'm very curious too.

Keeping positive vibes and prayers for the Dude and his loving parents :Love_Icon

[Nancy in New York]

Antibiotics do not treat thrush (fungal/yeast infections).
Actually, broad spectrum antibiotics can lead to bouts of candidiasis, not cure.
Oral thrush occurs when a yeast infection develops on the inside of your mouth and on your tongue.
You need an antifungal medication.


"Candidiasis is a fungal infection due to any type of Candida (a type of yeast). When it affects the mouth, it is commonly called thrush.
Signs and symptoms include white patches on the tongue or other areas of the mouth and throat."

[stosh2010]

Antibiotics do not treat thrush.
Actually, broad spectrum antibiotics can lead to bouts of candidiasis, not cure.
You need an antifungal medication.

"Candidiasis is a fungal infection due to any type of Candida (a type of yeast). When it affects the mouth, it is commonly called thrush.
Signs and symptoms include white patches on the tongue or other areas of the mouth and throat."

The white area almost reminded me of a seed wedged behind his teeth... The DUDE is sleeping -so tomorrow we will do a better inspection and dab it with a Q-tip to see is there is any "pus" in it. ODD for sure.]

P.S.
The Dude has had an increased thirst..He is drinking extra coconut water as compared to past weeks....

[Scooterzmom]

Thewhite with that dark spot in there, above his tooth, that looks suspiciously to me like the head of an abscess. JMHO I'm no expert or vet. Just reminds me a bit of an abscess I hadon a back tooth years ago. The dentist said it was shaped like a bullet... stosh mentioning it looks a bit like a seed just jogged my memory.

If that is the case, no wonder the poor guy would be under the weather :( ù

Man I still get shivers at the memories of that nasty thing.

[HRT4SQRLS]

Thinking about our Costa Rican crew today. :grouphug

[Jen413]

:grouphug Poor Dude. Praying for y’all!

[cava]

I agree that looks like macerated skin due to an abscess behind it that will be breaking through. I wonder if the original blood is from an infection between his palate and sinuses. I second the use of antibiotics. Hope he is feeling better soon:Love_Icon

[RamaMama]

Stosh and I looked yesterday { ? or the day before ? } and used a Q-tip in the
area with the white goo.

It looks a little like 'foodstuff'. No smell.
Some time back he was given some rice pudding which was quite
gooey .... maybe ?
We used to have an infant toothbrush we would use on his front tops as he
would get food stuck up there ........ I had for gotten about THAT ! I am
going to look for the toothbrush {or get another} and get the white stuff
out of there and then keep observing his mouth.
IF it returns and he has not eaten anything that could really stick up it there
then have to conclude that it may very well be Thrush.

Will get back to you all.
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[CritterMom]

:grouphugRosie.

I am pretty sure I speak for everyone here when I say...


We're gonna need pics of you brushing Cruiser's teeth... :grin2

[stosh2010]

:grouphugRosie.

I am pretty sure I speak for everyone here when I say...


We're gonna need pics of you brushing Cruiser's teeth... :grin2

He :dude2 is one SQUIRMY, hates to be held, strong, claws like razor-blades, slip out of any burrito---SQUIRREL
But we're gonna try and brush his teeth TOMORROW-when he gets up.(He goes " down for the night" around 1 pm. )

P.S.
Flossing---definitely NOT !!

[TubeDriver]

Not sure you really need to brush his teeth. If that white stuff is still there, then it certainly is not food. Just try to get a tiny sample of the white stuff.


A sniff test (gross!) should tell you if it is yeast (not really a bad smell) or pus (often smells foul).

Here are some other home ways to test for yeast:


http://ericbakker.com/the-8-home-tests-to-detect-a-yeast-infection/

There are home tests which detect ph (yeast infections typically have normal ph but other infections will have abnormal ph):

https://www.harmondiscount.com/363736447601.html?utm_source=googlepepla&utm_medium=adwords&id=295236328249&mrkgcl=612&mrkgadid=3253363386&rkg_id=h-967c77ee0a839c57ec93874773dd32e3_t-1516999308&Mcid=PS_googlepla_nonbrand_sexualwellness_&product_id=363736447601&adpos=1o2&creative=232792791070&device=c&matchtype=&network=g&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIpaTq4L722AIVTRuBCh30vQ60EAQYAiAB EgJAz_D_BwE


Perhaps tis will help to determine if that is an infection or a yeast issue?


One more thing, if you get any of that white stuff, a vet should be able to examine it through a microscope and quickly determine if it is yeast or white blood cells (pus).




He :dude2 is one SQUIRMY, hates to be held, strong, claws like razor-blades, slip out of any burrito---SQUIRREL
But we're gonna try and brush his teeth TOMORROW-when he gets up.(He goes " down for the night" around 1 pm. )

P.S.
Flossing---definitely NOT !!

[RamaMama]

DUDE BLED AGAIN THIS MORNING

It is EXTREMELY BAD ! Makes the first time seem like a small thing ! ! ! !

I tried to get Dude to drink "he refuses" but he finally wanted to eat so let him have his food.

He is having a LOT of difficulty breathing ! ! !

It will take HOURS to clean him up little by little.... again most of what was on him is on the right side
of his face, this time completely covered as well as his front feet. There is a blood everywhere -
there is a section of his bleeding that is soaked, at least 4 diameters in a circle --- it is A LOT !

It was the right nostril which started to bleed 'one time' long while back right after we suctioned
his nose..... but that was just a few little drops. Since then we seldom suction and only a tiny bit.... therefore
Dude sounds snotty a good deal of the time. The last time Dude bled we thought it may be that nostril, and
and I think most likely............ this did not come from a scratch.... more like a rupture.

Other than give him liquids is there something I should be doing.....
I have felt for some time that he once again has a bad infection..... we were holding off giving him ANY ABS as
he just got off the ENRO a month ago.... it just isn't working like it was - bug developing resistance. There was/is
a long list of the ABS the bug is "S" to but not sure which can be used on SQUEES.

Can I give Dude Infant Ibuprofen ? ? ? He looks like he is in PAIN ! !

SAD AND SCARED IN CR

* * * Should I tell Stosh ASAP - or NOT - - he is in FL * * *


Luna is sick again - same thing - I will post on that later. One prob at a time and other are wanting fed.... lots of clean up on Dude and
his cage

[HRT4SQRLS]

Rosie, do you have Tramadol? It would be better if you have it.
The ibuprofen can slow down clotting time. :(

I'm sure Stosh will see your post. No doubt.

[RamaMama]

Rosie, do you have Tramadol? It would be better if you have it.
The ibuprofen can slow down clotting time. :(

I'm sure Stosh will see your post. No doubt.

I do have Tram.... and I weighed Dude only about a week ago so I think that weight will
be fine to use.... he is very quiet. Breathing is ok now..... he appears to be very sleepy....
{ result of loss of blood? } '' He also finally drank some coco water.

His bedding is being washed so he can't go to bed if he wanted to..... he is quiet in playroom one.
Have clean floor around his cage AND to scrub his cage..... most of his cage is wiped down but it smells terrible.

[Nancy in New York]

I do have Tram.... and I weighed Dude only about a week ago so I think that weight will
be fine to use.... he is very quiet. Breathing is ok now..... he appears to be very sleepy....
{ result of loss of blood? } '' He also finally drank some coco water.

His bedding is being washed so he can't go to bed if he wanted to..... he is quiet in playroom one.
Have clean floor around his cage AND to scrub his cage..... most of his cage is wiped down but it smells terrible.

I'm concerned about the cage smelling so bad.
You mentioned that in your first post too.
Can you describe the smell?

[RamaMama]

I'm concerned about the cage smelling so bad.
You mentioned that in your first post too.
Can you describe the smell?


" Pungent?" Only word I know to use. We know he has an infection ... has had it for weeks in my opinion... we know
the ENRO is no longer working like it did as he was just on it about a month ago......... it only helps for a short time
so the bugs have developed resistance........ there was a long list of ABS which the infec was 'sensitive' to but may
not be good for squs. and don't know if we could get them.

I can write out some of the ABS if it would be helpful

[4Puddles]

" Pungent?" Only word I know to use. We know he has an infection ... has had it for weeks in my opinion... we know
the ENRO is no longer working like it did as he was just on it about a month ago......... it only helps for a short time
so the bugs have developed resistance........ there was a long list of ABS which the infec was 'sensitive' to but may
not be good for squs. and don't know if we could get them.

I can write out some of the ABS if it would be helpful

Yes, please list some of the antibiotics.

[stosh2010]

I just read the posts and called RamaMama back in CR. I am in Florida for 10 days and can not assist with the Dude. Sounds really critical. My buddy. ........Please Lord, watch over him.

[RamaMama]

I just remembered the smell from Dude's cage.... it is the pungent smell of "blood", when there is a lot. I remembered
because I had smelled it when I had, at one time, bled profusely. There is only one smell like that....
but I do "feel" Dude has infection, no doubt.

It will take me some time to get the ABS typed up and on here....... still cleaning.
Sorry. I gotta get Dude back into his cage.

[RamaMama]

SORRY - NEED DOSING FOR DUDE TRAMADOL

Dude weight is different enough that I hesitate to do my own dosing.

Tram 50mg
5 cc water

Dude weight 1 / 30 / 18 --- 589

[Nancy in New York]

SORRY - NEED DOSING FOR DUDE TRAMADOL

Dude weight is different enough that I hesitate to do my own dosing.

Tram 50mg
5 cc water

Dude weight 1 / 30 / 18 --- 589

Rosie I assume this was made stronger so that
you could give less volume, correct?
We typically add 10 mls of water.
With 5 ccs of water, the dose will be 0.12
2 to 3 times daily.
What was the amount you gave him last time, do you remember?

[RamaMama]

Rosie I assume this was made stronger so that
you could give less volume, correct?
We typically add 10 mls of water.
With 5 ccs of water, the dose will be 0.12
2 to 3 times daily.
What was the amount you gave him last time, do you remember?

Yes.... you are right..... SORRY..... I am a bit rattled and had forgotten. It is 0.12
I am a bit on edge.

And, yes, the 5cc water --- is so what is given is less liquid. Thanks ! ! !

[Nancy in New York]

Yes.... you are right..... SORRY..... I am a bit rattled and had forgotten. It is 0.12
I am a bit on edge.

And, yes, the 5cc water --- is so what is given is less liquid. Thanks ! ! !

You're doing fine honey.
You said everything perfectly, I was just double checking. :hug

[RamaMama]

You're doing fine honey.
You said everything perfectly, I was just double checking. :hug

Always a good thing to do, ".. double checking..." when I feel like this. :grouphug

[stosh2010]

The Cruiser Dude :dude2 is probably thinking :" Where's my Dad ?"

[RamaMama]

Yes, Dude may very well be wondering where Dad it, but he is doing better.

Sorry not getting back on here .......... been busy ! !

Some time ago Dude ate Camito fruit and mushroom then I dosed him with Tram.... put him in his cage for awhile
and he just relaxed...

he has since been out on top of this cage.... he ate orange, pear and coconut, He is having an almendra nut right
now and then I will put him in the 'window' until tonight.

I may bring his cage into the bedroom with me........ tonight.

[stosh2010]

Yes, Dude may very well be wondering where Dad it, but he is doing better.




I may bring his cage into the bedroom with me........ tonight.

That is a GRAND PLAN.

[island rehabber]

RM, I'm neither experienced in odontoma squirrels nor the use of ibuprofen, so I'm hanging back on this one and lurking. BUT, it seems to me that if his appetite is still good and he's readily taking liquids that he is not feeling TOO horrible. :grouphug

[stosh2010]

Good morning Little Dude. Hope you rested well. Without our Skype connection.working, I can"t call C.R. If anyone Out There.....knows ANYTHING about resolving RamaMamxa"s Skype problem....Please post HERE and she will explain her current problem. THANKS.

[RamaMama]

Dude slept in the bedroom with me. He had an uneventful night.
No more bleeding so far.

He does not feel good but he did eat one pc of food. He usually eats very little first thing in the morn.

Gave him some Tramadol.

[RamaMama]

Here is the Information concerning Dudes test for nasal infection.

6/8/2017

Dude's test of mucus from 2017.... only one i have. We did one earlier in the year I think and it showed the
same type of infection which is predominate for squs with "O". I have been trying to get more mucus for another NEW test as the bugs most likely have mutated after Dude being given Enro multiple times.

All results are in Spanish.
It was recommended that Dude take Enrofloxacin. It worked great but as we had been told the infection
kept coming back as the tissues are destroyed/damaged by the "O" tumor/s. The tissue continually rots
creating the perfect inviron for infection. Over this past year the infection has returned faster and faster
after each time we medicate. SAD !
Before Dude took the Enro we had tried the Cipro........ the infection either did not clear or would return within
a weeks time. Although it is on the list it did not work; not for Dude anyway.

Result: Klebsiella ornithinolytica

"S" Sensitive

Amikacina
ampicilina/subactam
aztreonam
cefepime
defotaxime
cefotetan
ceftazidime
ceftriaxone
cefuroxime - sodio
ciprofloxacina
ertapenem
gentamicina
imipenem
levofloxacina
meropenem
piperacillna
piperacillina/tazobactam
tetraciclina
tigeciclina
tobramicina

[4Puddles]

Here is the Information concerning Dudes test for nasal infection.

6/8/2017

Dude's test of mucus from 2017.... only one i have. We did one earlier in the year I think and it showed the
same type of infection which is predominate for squs with "O". I have been trying to get more mucus for another NEW test as the bugs most likely have mutated after Dude being given Enro multiple times.

All results are in Spanish.
It was recommended that Dude take Enrofloxacin. It worked great but as we had been told the infection
kept coming back as the tissues are destroyed/damaged by the "O" tumor/s. The tissue continually rots
creating the perfect inviron for infection. Over this past year the infection has returned faster and faster
after each time we medicate. SAD !
Before Dude took the Enro we had tried the Cipro........ the infection either did not clear or would return within
a weeks time. Although it is on the list it did not work; not for Dude anyway.

Result: Klebsiella ornithinolytica

"S" Sensitive

Amikacina
ampicilina/subactam
aztreonam
cefepime
defotaxime
cefotetan
ceftazidime
ceftriaxone
cefuroxime - sodio
ciprofloxacina
ertapenem
gentamicina
imipenem
levofloxacina
meropenem
piperacillna
piperacillina/tazobactam
tetraciclina
tigeciclina
tobramicina

Let me see if I can translate these and come up with something

[TubeDriver]

Resistance to Enro/Cipro is very common so unfortunately it is not a surprise anymore when it does not work. :(

[RamaMama]

I checked the "book" with Dude's recorded weights....... he was last weighed on 1/30 at 589 grms
which is what I put on this Thread for dosing.

YIKES ! I weighed him early this afternoon; today's weight : 568 grms....

Do I need to lower the CC's of Tram ? ? ? He's had it twice at 0.12 once yesterday and then this morning.
He seemed quite groggy but that may have been because he did not feel very well, but the grogginess
concerned me so ......... that's why I decided to check his weight again.

He really was not so good this morning; simply in general. He was a bit better this afternoon.

I want to dose him this evening but NEED to be certain I have the correct CC's for his current weight.
THANKS ! !

[Nancy in New York]

I checked the "book" with Dude's recorded weights....... he was last weighed on 1/30 at 589 grms
which is what I put on this Thread for dosing.

YIKES ! I weighed him early this afternoon; today's weight : 568 grms....

Do I need to lower the CC's of Tram ? ? ? He's had it twice at 0.12 once yesterday and then this morning.
He seemed quite groggy but that may have been because he did not feel very well, but the grogginess
concerned me so ......... that's why I decided to check his weight again.

He really was not so good this morning; simply in general. He was a bit better this afternoon.

I want to dose him this evening but NEED to be certain I have the correct CC's for his current weight.
THANKS ! !

Rosie the amount is SO insignificant.
But here it goes.
With the weight of 589 grams we dosed him at 0.1178 ROUNDED UP to 0.12
This was done with only 5 mls of water making the strength 10mg/ml
With the weight of 568 grams the dose would be 0.1136 ROUNDED DOWN to 0.11

I'm only including these details so anyone reading knows why this dose is lower.
We did this to give DUDE less volume.

So to answer your question Rosie, you can give him 0.11 at his current weight of 568.

The difference is so minor it would not attribute to him being groggy/drowsy.

[RamaMama]

Rosie the amount is SO insignificant.
But here it goes.
With the weight of 589 grams we dosed him at 0.1178 ROUNDED UP to 0.12
This was done with only 5 mls of water making the strength 10mg/ml
With the weight of 568 grams the dose would be 0.1136 ROUNDED DOWN to 0.11

I'm only including these details so anyone reading knows why this dose is lower.
We did this to give DUDE less volume.

So to answer your question Rosie, you can give him 0.11 at his current weight of 568.

The difference is so minor it would not attribute to him being groggy/drowsy.

Thank you so much Nancy. He really is not feeling well. He is in the window at present but
I think I will bring him into the bedroom again tonight.... feeling concern. :Love_Icon

[Nancy in New York]

Thank you so much Nancy. He really is not feeling well. He is in the window at present but
I think I will bring him into the bedroom again tonight.... feeling concern. :Love_Icon

Oh I'm so sorry to hear this Rosie.
I imagine that you will both rest easier if you're together.
I'm glad he'll be going into the bedroom again tonight. :(
:Love_Icon Cruiser :Love_Icon

[TubeDriver]

RM, keep trying to hydrate him and any foods that are high in iron are probably a good thing since he lost so much blood. Almonds have some iron, maybe grind some up and see if he will take this treat? Otherwise, search the internet for the foods that you have on hand to see if any of them are high in iron (green leafy stuff?). Raisins, beens, prunes are all high in iron too.



Thank you so much Nancy.
He really is not feeling well. He is in the window at present but
I think I will bring him into the bedroom again tonight.... feeling concern. :Love_Icon

[stosh2010]

I am finally on a computer....
and I'm sending LONG DISTANCE prayers to both the DUDE and to RamaMama.
My boy is losing weight -a little each week- I hope he levels off soon.
DANG.................why the Dude :dude ????







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[SammysMom]

Many prayers going up for the sweet Dude...:grouphug:Love_Icon:grouphug

[lukaslolamaus]

Sending prayers :grouphug

[RamaMama]

Dude had a very good night with me.... hardly any honking, gasping, etc He would not drink any coco water.... he has
been refusing it a lot.... for some reason he does not care for the store bought stuff even though it is suppose to be 100% Coconut water. (Rama is refusing too)....... so, I mixed up some cool honey water.... he drank 4 cc's early evening then more later. This morning I put what was left in the frig in a little bowl; about 5 cc's and he drank it all down.

I must say, this morn Dude is acting odd. He does not appear to be miserable like he was the last two days, and does not seem to have any or much pain.
He did not want to eat anything - usually he will eat at least one or two pcs of fruit - but did drink - he did not want to pee on top of his cage but climbed down on to the floor.... then he kept wanting to wander....... so I put him in playroom one... again he kept going down on to the floor.... or starting to.
I would get him 'up' and give him a seed. But, I could not stay in with him....... others needed tending too.

When I went back in he was on the floor EATING OR CHEWING ON THE FILTHY WOOD at the bottom of the slideing
glass doors so I had to put him back into his cage with his food for awhile.
Finally let him out on top, still will not eat and is all over the place. He went to his blankie in the window....I thought maybe he wanted in but when I got him on me and offered to put him inside he looked in and then ran down me onto the floor...

He was on me like glue.......... I was having some cereal with yogurt and coconut oil.... I have refrained from giving him
any dairy out of fear that it will increase mucus or infections BUT, at this point if he wants it he can have it.... plus TubeDriver said get iron into him and Dude wanted the cereal so he has had 4 small pcs covered with yogurt and coconut oil.

I do not know WHY he was eating the filthy disgusting wood (frustion/lacking something? ? ) but I 'feel' that in his running all around he is looking for his "Daddy" and since he can't find him, Dude keeps coming to me.

Since he ate the cereal he is now resting quietly on top of Rama's cage but is having difficulty breathing. I am going to make some more honey water.... anything to get fluids into him. :Love_Icon

[stosh2010]

Be well.....DUDE :dude

[Snicker Bar]

Been following this; so sorry about your sick boy! Does this Dr Emerson make international house calls?? Can we get an estimate, start a fundraiser??

[Rocky1]

History questions
Location of the odontoma?
Right side?
Prognosis?
No vet where the Dude could get imaging? (I think I read the answer, but wanted to confirm.)
Present bacterial infection likely resistant to multiple antibiotics? (I saw the antibiotic list.)
Possible fungal infection between upper teeth, but not confirmed?
Possible scratching of face, but not necessarily suspected or confirmed?
Definite heavy bleeding from right nostril off and on?
Regarding this list, a quick yes, no, or correction may be helpful. No need to answer anything if you can't or would rather not. I am sorry that Cruiser Dude is having such a tough time and am glad you are there for him.

Little Girl
Just wanted to make sure you saw that there was another member, lilldukes I think, who's squirrel, little girl, has some serious odontomas and just had surgery (I think). I say this in case either of you would benefit from talking to someone who's going through something maybe kind of similar.

A little off topic but...
I went to Cruiser Dude's original thread looking for the history and location of this odontoma, and found the sweetest baby pictures, https://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?27141-Rama-Rota-The-King-of-Costa-Rica&highlight=cruiser+dude+odontoma

I am glad he seems to be doing a little better for now. He seems so sweet and precious. Hopefully something can be done to make him healthy or significantly healthier. Thank you for saving his life, loving him, and giving him so much attention and care.

[RamaMama]

Been following this; so sorry about your sick boy! Does this Dr Emerson make international house calls?? Can we get an estimate, start a fundraiser??

That used to be my dream. Thanks for thinking of us. :Love_Icon

[Rocky1]

My first and last completely off topic reply (couldn't resist, cute baby pictures)
Whoops, I posted the Rama's thread. Here's Cruiser's baby pictures, https://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?32881-Meet-the-Costa-Rican-CRUISER!

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[RamaMama]

Dude is making a lot of noise tonight, honking, squeaks, sometimes snotty sounds..... does anyone think I should
dose him again with the Tramadol??? I am concerned that if he is already having difficulty breathing the Tram might
inhibit it even more. { ? ? }

The last time I gave him any was last night.
I wanted to see how he would do during the day, plus do not want to use if not necessary.

Thoughts ? ? ?

[TubeDriver]

Tramadol can have effects on respiration, heart rate so while it might reduce pain it may not be good for breathing issues which also place extra strain on the heart. You could give him Motrin which might be safer.




Dude is making a lot of noise tonight, honking, squeaks, sometimes snotty sounds..... does anyone think I should
dose him again with the Tramadol??? I am concerned that if he is already having difficulty breathing the Tram might
inhibit it even more. { ? ? }

The last time I gave him any was last night.
I wanted to see how he would do during the day, plus do not want to use if not necessary.

Thoughts ? ? ?

[RamaMama]

Tramadol can have effects on respiration, heart rate so while it might reduce pain it may not be good for breathing issues which also place extra strain on the heart. You could give him Motrin which might be safer.

Hmmm, I was trying to stay away from anything that would possibly cause a thinning of the blood. I will see how
he acts when I get him up later for a pee and drink.
Thanks. I thought the Tram might do that so if Dude does not appear to be in pain I will refrain.
:Love_Icon

[Diggie's Friend]

Actually there is a vet on Trinidad that has a squirrel; if you need the contact I can send them an email and ask to share their email with you?

[4Puddles]

Have you tried running a humidifier or putting him in a room with the shower running on hot to make it steamy? That might help make his breathing a bit easier

[Nancy in New York]

Hmmm, I was trying to stay away from anything that would possibly cause a thinning of the blood. I will see how
he acts when I get him up later for a pee and drink.
Thanks. I thought the Tram might do that so if Dude does not appear to be in pain I will refrain.
:Love_Icon

If you think he may need some Tramadol,
dose lower than you typically would and see if that
helps.

[RamaMama]

Dude is in a lot of distress.... I feel the infection is really taking a toll on him.

He had been given Enro the end of Dec. but it is no longer working.
He also had been given clavamox, which although it was listed as "S" on the culture it never really did anything.

One of the "S" AB's from the old culture {wish I had a new one} is Cipro. I am wondering IF I should just start
him on it and see what happens.
I would have to check with Stosh first, but Dude is feeling pretty lousy. I have to say he did eat a little.
I am going to weigh him again a little later......

I would like to use some "steam" to loosen up the mucus...... it must be very thick as he has not been able to get
any out in some time ------- BUT, I feel much concern that the steam might cause his nose to bleed again.... not
sure WHY.... just a big concern.

Not sure I will DO anything at all, but wanted to ask for opinions and feedback.

I have very little to pretty much NO communication with Stosh.... {NO SKYPE} so need some consults.

Thanks

[CritterMom]

Rosie, the "enro" - Enroflocacin, AKA "Baytril" and the "cipro" - Ciprofloxacin - are almost the same drug. Cipro more or less becomes enrofloxacin as it is metabolized in the body. So I doubt that you would see anything different with it but you do not KNOW that until you try it. A round of cipro is not going to hurt him, and given how miserable he is, it is absolutely worth a try.

[TubeDriver]

RM, one of the ABs mentioned on your list is tetracycline. I am not sure this can be used on squirrels however, doxycycline is very similar to tetracycline. Do you have any Doxycycline? I might try that instead on Cipro since it no longer seems to help. HRT4SQYRL could give you a much better idea if this suggestion is reasonable?

[RamaMama]

Late yesterday eve I finally got enough mucus to take for testing.
I will do that today.

I would like to be certain what AB's the bug is "S" to rather than just dosing and hoping....
it seemed for awhile that I was just going to have to take a shot in the dark.... but knowledge
is power. I sure hope this puts some in my/our hands for the Dude's health.

[RamaMama]

I was informed I could start Dude on Cipro until we get the results of the lab or Stosh gets here
with Doxy --- BUT --- I don't have any and I just found out I can get Doxy from the local Vet.
I will have to walk there to get it. OUCH !
YIKES !

The Dr. is not there today but will be in tomorrow. I will go then.
Still going to take the sample to the LAB today. Need to KNOW ! ! what is going on.

Dude has lost more grams........ not significant - only 6 since the 5th, but he seems to be constantly losing weight now.


He has been chipper today ! ! :grin

[RamaMama]

Went to the Lab. They have run out of what they need to do any cultures.

Won't have anymore until some time NEXT WEEK ! ! !

Tomorrow I will walk to Dra. Jessica's and get the Doxy.
:tap

[Nancy in New York]

Went to the Lab. They have run out of what they need to do any cultures.

Won't have anymore until some time NEXT WEEK ! ! !

Tomorrow I will walk to Dra. Jessica's and get the Doxy.
:tap

Ugh! Always something Rosie! :shakehead :hug:Love_Icon:hug

[TubeDriver]

:grouphug

[Snicker Bar]

I’m so sorry to hear of the continuing misery for this little guy :(

Are there any specialists anywhere near you folks, maybe we could start a “go fund me for Cruiser “?

Does Dr . Emerson have a passport.... can we get her one??

Just feal your frustration and worry; so wish Snickers and I could help, but this is way out of our league :( But I’d gladly make a donation for this wonderful DVM in Fla to come there!!

[RamaMama]

I’m so sorry to hear of the continuing misery for this little guy :(

Are there any specialists anywhere near you folks, maybe we could start a “go fund me for Cruiser “?

Does Dr . Emerson have a passport.... can we get her one??

Just feal your frustration and worry; so wish Snickers and I could help, but this is way out of our league :( But I’d gladly make a donation for this wonderful DVM in Fla to come there!!

The majority of the Vets here are strictly for domestic and farm animals and even then some of the Vets are terrible. There are a few wildlife Vets but they deal with and are mostly interested in animals that are endangered or worse. Plus, remember, it was made against the Law here to harbor wildlife.... even if you are trying to help.

[Snicker Bar]

So sorry to hear that’s all that’s available; as far as DVM options. Wish we could do something but will continue to pray for your efforts, and the resources you need to help him as best as you can...

And from the looks of this thread, you have a lot of specialists to guide you! They have helped me and the girls more than all my local exotic DVM’s combined :)

Hang in there Cruiser Dude!

[RamaMama]

Went to our Vet friend here in Coco. Got the Doxycicline and with help Dude has been dosed.

Here's Praying that he really responds well and for an extremely extended period of time.

:grouphug :Love_Icon :serene :Love_Icon :grouphug

[Jennefer]

Saying prayers & sending love for lil Dude everyday.....:blowkiss:Love_Icon:grouphug

[Mel1959]

:Love_Icon Praying for The Dude :Love_Icon

[Chickenlegs]

Thank heavens you found some good meds. Little man needs a break. His dad is SO looking forwad to seeing his boy :Love_Icon

[stosh2010]

My Buddy..the. CRUISER DUDE...
:dude. :dude2.
Being so far away is a feeling of helplessness.

[4Puddles]

How is little Cruiser Dude doing today? Any improvement since starting the doxy?

[RamaMama]

I had to dose Dude with Tramadol this morning. Hated to do it but so far today he is not a happy camper and I need him to eat so I can give him the Doxy. I gave him the Tram about 15 minutes ago, a little less than a 'normal' dose as I do not want him to become sleepy or lethargic, nor hamper his breathing. Just want to ease his discomfort/pain. His breathing is very bad so far, I hope it improves and I am hoping/planning to steam him today. Maybe that will loosen some of the mucus; a little has come out a couple of times and it is like thick paste.
I thought the Doxy might be starting to help as early as yesterday afternoon as he ate just a little more than he had been, but this morning { ? }.
Hope to post later today and let you all know how he is doing.
Thanks everyone for caring, and for asking about the Dude.

[Nancy in New York]

I had to dose Dude with Tramadol this morning. Hated to do it but so far today he is not a happy camper and I need him to eat so I can give him the Doxy. I gave him the Tram about 15 minutes ago, a little less than a 'normal' dose as I do not want him to become sleepy or lethargic, nor hamper his breathing. Just want to ease his discomfort/pain. His breathing is very bad so far, I hope it improves and I am hoping/planning to steam him today. Maybe that will loosen some of the mucus; a little has come out a couple of times and it is like thick paste.
I thought the Doxy might be starting to help as early as yesterday afternoon as he ate just a little more than he had been, but this morning { ? }.
Hope to post later today and let you all know how he is doing.
Thanks everyone for caring, and for asking about the Dude.

:Love_IconLittle Dude :Love_Icon Rosie :Love_Icon

[BCChins]

Poor Dude and his Momma. I so wish there was something we could do.

Wait Stosh is in Florida right is he anywhere Dr. E and could maybe do a consult with her? Maybe she can give some suggestions?

[RamaMama]

Poor Dude and his Momma. I so wish there was something we could do.

Wait Stosh is in Florida right is he anywhere Dr. E and could maybe do a consult with her? Maybe she can give some suggestions?

Stosh has been on the West Coast, Cape Coral.... never thought of his calling Dr. E while there.
We can just as easily call from CR on Skype, she just could not call back.

Stosh returns to CR tomorrow early am so it is too late to make contact but thanks for thinking
about Dude and hoping for help.
Dude is presently being 'steamed'. I hope it helps to loosen the thick mucus.... maybe a little easier breathing. :Love_Icon

[Diggie's Friend]

Since you know you have had black mold from the flooding, beyond the appropriate antibiotics, and anti-fungal drugs to address respiratory fungal infections (Aspergilliosis a common complication of odontomas), Milk Thistle Seed is essential to use to counter the impact of this fungus upon the liver.

Do you have access to Milk Thistle Seed, either dry extract or liquid?
For the clinical dosage for your boy you will need consult with a veterinarian.


https://moldsafesolutions.com/pets/ Recent Hurricanes:


Mader had the cat’s blood tested and tests revealed the presence of the banked serum revealed satratoxin G, a biomarker for Stachybotrys chartarum, also known as toxic black mold, which can cause respiratory-related health problems, pulmonary hemorrhage and death in animals and people. He then did what any good doctor would do and tried to find the source of the black mold.

He says he suspected the pet owner’s home had this deadly mold because the area they had lived in had been devastated by hurricane and flooding in October 2005. After Mader had questioned them, he discovered that their home had sustained extensive water damage during the hurricane just seven months before the cats had died. The clinical findings stated that the cats were siblings and lived together. then requested that the pet owners have their home tested for mold.

Mader then requested that the pet owners have their home tested for mold.

“Sure enough, they had very severe mold contamination in their walls,” he says. The walls have since been gutted and replaced.

[Diggie's Friend]

https://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?59676-possible-black-mold-exposure&p=1253069#post1253069

[4Puddles]

Did the steam help him breathe a little easier? You could also try a gentle compress across the bridge of his nose with a very warm damp washcloth. That might help reduce a little of the sinus swelling and loosen some mucus. :Love_Icon

[Scooterzmom]

My thoughts and prayers for you and your little Dude. :Love_Icon Sending positive vibes your way.

[RamaMama]

I think the steam did help at least to a point. He still sounded and look bad into yesterday
evening and bedtime but he was able to snort out some mucus. With the two bleeding
episodes, one big and the other huge, I/we don't dare suction his nose at this time. Perhaps
some time down the road if we feel he HAS to get that help.

This morning - so far - he is a different boy. Still some noises in his sinus that has become
his norm, but so far he doesn't have the horrible sound like he is drowning in mucus and can't
catch his breath. He is also much more active rather than a miserable lump that won't respond
except to move away.

Today when I went into the play room to see him he ran over to me..... he has not done that for
days and days.
Happiness ! ! ! :dance:dance:dance

I hope he continues to improve. Today I will begin to give him the Doxy only once a day, late
morning or very early afternoon - WHEN HE DECIDES TO EAT - as he has not been doing good
in that area.
I will keep everyone posted who is interested. Thank YOU ALL SO MUCH for all the Prayers and help.
:grouphug :blowkiss :grouphug

[Nancy in New York]

I think the steam did help at least to a point. He still sounded and look bad into yesterday
evening and bedtime but he was able to snort out some mucus. With the two bleeding
episodes, one big and the other huge, I/we don't dare suction his nose at this time. Perhaps
some time down the road if we feel he HAS to get that help.

This morning - so far - he is a different boy. Still some noises in his sinus that has become
his norm, but so far he doesn't have the horrible sound like he is drowning in mucus and can't
catch his breath. He is also much more active rather than a miserable lump that won't respond
except to move away.

Today when I went into the play room to see him he ran over to me..... he has not done that for
days and days.
Happiness ! ! ! :dance:dance:dance

I hope he continues to improve. Today I will begin to give him the Doxy only once a day, late
morning or very early afternoon - WHEN HE DECIDES TO EAT - as he has not been doing good
in that area.
I will keep everyone posted who is interested. Thank YOU ALL SO MUCH for all the Prayers and help.
:grouphug :blowkiss :grouphug

Thanks for the update on our little Dude.
Glad that he's doing somewhat better and that he
ran over to see you this morning. I know that did your
heart good.
:Love_Icon Dude :Love_Icon

[dextersmom]

Oh my Gosh I Just read your post. I am sooo sorry! It is so devastating,it happens all to fast, all in one day. One day their playing normally the next day is a different chapter. We can only do our best,and take one day at a time. Prayers with you.

[Chickenlegs]

If not for you guys, little Dude-man would never had such an outstanding life. Thank you so much for updating us all. His fan base is holding him in our collective heart and sending love and prayers.

[RamaMama]

Asking for Prayers for ME ! I will be driving shortly in the 'Van' to pick up Stosh..... it scares the
C R A P out of me. Only drove that far once before and that was when he went TO the airport.

Maybe IF I did it more often I would not be so petrified... but although I LOVE the mountains here,
driving them........ uhhhhhh - not so much. Very steep some times.

When Stosh started to 'teach' me to drive the van a couple a week before he was to leave, I had
not driven ANY vehicle for at least 4 years... :tap

I am such a chicken.

Thanks for all positive thoughts from anyone who see's this before I get back home....

[island rehabber]

Sending you calming energies and good driving prayers, RamaMama!
Remember: you're picking stosh up, so there's no rush. Driving him TO the airport you worried about him making the plane. This time, take it slow....he'll wait for ya. :grin3

[Nancy in New York]

Asking for Prayers for ME ! I will be driving shortly in the 'Van' to pick up Stosh..... it scares the
C R A P out of me. Only drove that far once before and that was when he went TO the airport.

Maybe IF I did it more often I would not be so petrified... but although I LOVE the mountains here,
driving them........ uhhhhhh - not so much. Very steep some times.

When Stosh started to 'teach' me to drive the van a couple a week before he was to leave, I had
not driven ANY vehicle for at least 4 years... :tap

I am such a chicken.

Thanks for all positive thoughts from anyone who see's this before I get back home....

You've done things harder than this.
You're stronger than you give yourself credit for.
Positive thoughts coming your way.:Love_Icon

[TubeDriver]

:goodpost

That is the best advice, just take your time, slow and steady breathing and take your time, no rush at all. :grouphug





Sending you calming energies and good driving prayers, RamaMama!
Remember: you're picking stosh up, so there's no rush. Driving him TO the airport you worried about him making the plane. This time, take it slow....he'll wait for ya. :grin3

[stosh2010]

I just today downloaded the pics that RamaMama took of the Dude's bleeding "event".
O.M.G.
He lost a lot of blood and must have been very scared as it happened to him.
I had no idea that it was this amount of blood....
I am very glad he seems to be over the worst part.....


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[Jennefer]

Oh my goodness that is so much blood for such a little guy. Could explain why he was so lethargic. I would have freaked! Im sure lil Dude is happy to have his daddy home! Sending love his way.....i think of your lil guy everyday! :Love_Icon:hug:blowkiss

[Snicker Bar]

Dad’s presence is proabably the best medicine he can receive ... I’ve seen so many sick animals rally and improve when mom and dad are their primary caretakers ; (vs in a kennel at an animal hospital ) . And especially an improved appetite. So glad Dad is safely home, for Dude and his caregiver Rama’s sake ! :)

[LR]

Poor Dude. Poor RamaMama. No wonder she was so scared for him. Many prayers for the Dude's future health.

[TubeDriver]

:grouphug

[JLM27]

:grouphug:grouphug

[Chickenlegs]

OK sweet boy—some Dad time and you’re going to feel SO much better! :Love_Icon:Love_Icon:Love_Icon

[stosh2010]

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Cruiser is doing better...but still is dealing with the odontoma issues.

[RamaMama]

Dude is not feeling very well today. He did eat some, but the Doxy isn't helping him to improve as well
or as much as I would have hoped.

We are watching Dude hoping to get a 'specimen' so we can have a culture done; to be cetain that Doxy IS
the AB he should be taking. But, it is a possibility that no AB's will make a huge difference as they had in the past.

Nevertheless, here's Hoping and Praying for Dude to greatly improve.

He had a very rough time last night between 2 and 3am but he finally improved enough to go back to his bed
and slept rather quietly until morning.
:Love_Icon

[TubeDriver]

Sending healing wishes to the Dude!:hug

[Nancy in New York]

:Love_Icon Dude :Love_Icon Rosie :Love_Icon stosh :Love_Icon

[stosh2010]

My buddy....
I wonder if the DUDE makes a little noise --in the middle of the night-- to make sure that we keep bringing him to our bedroom, each night, to sleep close to us...??
he is a sly little fox. Ha!

[lennysmom]

Sending prayers for sweet little Dude.:Love_Icon:grouphug

[RamaMama]

Part of this post was on "Meet the Costa Rican Cruiser" earlier today.......

Dude was not feeling well this morn/today. He didn't seem very good yesterday and is worse today. Didn't
want to eat. I gave him a half dose of Tram this morn as he appeared to be in pain ...OR the infection is not responding
well to the Doxy and is making him feel worse. { ? }

Sounding VERY full of mucus this morn and afternoon.... there was some dried in his nest box this morning... bummer... but,
I got a tiny bit just a short time ago. I did steam him early afternoon to try to loosen it up
in his sinus, for his sake and hopefully more will come out. Hoping to be able to get a culture.
Stosh will go to Dra. Jessica, Vet, tomorrow and get a new Prescription for both bacteria and fungus.

Didn't get any more mucus out... DARN.

He has been acting like his 'bottom' or perhaps his 'testicles' are bothering him... been wondering for awhile
if it is the "acid" in his urine which he always seems to drag himself in....
he looked miserable {in so many ways} this afternoon so I set up a "washing station" in the kitchen. Wash
basin with warm soapy water.... large rinse basin with clear warm water.... and a large plastic jug of water for
further rinsing. I held Dude, dipped his bottom half in the warm soapy water and Stosh scrubbed.....
lots of dipping into the clean water and then Stosh gently but quickly poured the water from the jug on to
Dude's bottom half and rubbed and rinsed. Then to SQUEEZE Dude out..... and LOTS and LOTS and LOTS
of paper towels later we had a clean DuddaleeDude.

He spent a good deal of time in playroom one where it is nice and warm/hot.... grooming himself with Stosh
looking on keeping an eye on him.
Once Dude felt he was groomed and dried enough he proceeded to devour an Icaco. He was then ready
to come into the living room - by this time Stosh was napping - and Dude was ready to head into the blankie
at the window. He was in much better spirits than earlier in the day and at present is sleeping quietly.

The last two nights Dude slept in the living room. Tonight he will once again be in our bedroom.

:grouphug :Love_Icon :grouphug

[stosh2010]

Cruiser--after he had a BATH in the sink....



AIN'T He Cute ??

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[Nancy in New York]

Cruiser--after he had a BATH in the sink....



AIN'T He Cute ??

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He's precious beyond words. :klunk:hug:Love_Icon:hug

[lennysmom]

:Love_IconCruiser:Love_Icon

[Snicker Bar]

Hopeful you will get some more options from the vet visit. Just take things one moment at a time. Embrace the good days; praying for many future miles, for your Dude to cruise at top speed :)

[RamaMama]

Well, can you believe THIS ! ?
We finally got a good sample from our little Dude, to take to the Lab here in Coco. Stosh tells them he needs both bacterial and fungal... they can do the fungal but there are no resources in ALL OF CENTRAL AMERICA to do a Bacterial Culture. WHAT ! ? ! ? ! ?

So what are Dr's and Hospitals doing.......? Are people and animals going to die because of this lack? I was originally told over a week back they could not do it.....and to check back in a week.... and now still ? !

I plan to ask our Vet friend and if possible our regular Dr. IF this is correct OR are there some places that are still doing the necessary test.

I am soooo Frustrated and Angry and feeling impotent ! !

:shakehead :soapbox :dono

[TubeDriver]

:shakehead. That is nuts. :(

Poor Cruiser Dude (and dad and mom too). :grouphug

[stosh2010]

In Costa Rica... saying:
"We Don't have THAT !!!"--is considered Customer Service....ha!

[astra]

[I]
I am soooo Frustrated and Angry and feeling impotent ! !

:shakehead :soapbox :dono

:grouphug:grouphug:grouphug:shakehead

[stosh2010]

I am soooo Frustrated and[B] Angry and feeling impotent ! !

:shakehead :soapbox :dono

Sometimes....
living here and trying to get things done...feels like
Trying to fish for TUNA--in a mud puddle.....

[stosh2010]

My poor little Cruiser...is not a Happy Camper. He is uncomfortable and restless. WE put some drops in his nose. First time in a long while. I hope it gives him some little relief. He is such a blessing to have in the house. My wish for him--HAPPIER days.

[Scooterzmom]

My poor little Cruiser...is not a Happy Camper. He is uncomfortable and restless. WE put some drops in his nose. First time in a long while. I hope it gives him some little relief. He is such a blessing to have in the house. My wish for him--HAPPIER days.

:grouphug:Love_Icon Stosh, RM, Cruiser :Love_Icon

[Snicker Bar]

Forgive my ignorance; still fairly new here, and not entire familiar with little Cruiser’s story :(

But gathering from what I’ve read, he does ( ?) have the diagnosis of the Odontoma disease? And there’s just a lack ( sounds like of a lot of things :( ) of any veterinary surgeons in the area who are comfortable with this surgery?

If things became extremely dire, could a vet you trust the most, perhaps study, or be guided by a consult with the Dr. Emerson so many love?

Or.... a long shot , but why not...

Can a squirrel be licensed as a therapy animal ( mine sure the heck are , papers or not!), and the two of you fly back to Fla for her help?? Heard a story about a guy who was permitted to fly with his “Therapy Turkey” ( seriously! Diaper and all, walking aisle of plane on leash)

Just grasping for anything, sounds like he needs surgery (?)

[RamaMama]

Forgive my ignorance; still fairly new here, and not entire familiar with little Cruiser’s story :(

But gathering from what I’ve read, he does ( ?) have the diagnosis of the Odontoma disease? And there’s just a lack ( sounds like of a lot of things :( ) of any veterinary surgeons in the area who are comfortable with this surgery?

If things became extremely dire, could a vet you trust the most, perhaps study, or be guided by a consult with the Dr. Emerson so many love?

Or.... a long shot , but why not...

Can a squirrel be licensed as a therapy animal ( mine sure the heck are , papers or not!), and the two of you fly back to Fla for her help?? Heard a story about a guy who was permitted to fly with his “Therapy Turkey” ( seriously! Diaper and all, walking aisle of plane on leash)

Just grasping for anything, sounds like he needs surgery (?)

Most likely Dude's "O" is too advanced........ never got x-rays due to there not being any availability near us nor a vet with the means who would co-operate.
The diagnosis is from "ALL" Dude's symptoms over the years starting at birth with a smashed
mouth and malocclusion when his incisors finally emerged as well as repeated tooth trimming for the past 5 { ? } years.

The regular Vets have no knowledge concerning 'wildlife' and the few wildlife vets would not
waste their time even if they were able or allowed.
Law was passed a few years back making it illegal for common people to own, have, help, or generally have in their possession any wild animals with stringent fines and penalties. Unless an animal can be Rehabilitated and returned to the wild they will be euthanized.... some exceptions are made for endangered etc species as they are kept for 'viewing' by the public as most Rehab
facilities also operate by keeping those exceptions and people either pay an admittance fee or give a donation.

So, even while asking for local help we have to be super cautious.
Thank you so much for caring enough to ask. We wish we could have had 'surgery' for
Dude....... always had hope. Really feel it is too late for that, and even if there was the
possibility we can't get the necessary x-rays. No Vet could do such surgery without a good set
of x-rays.
:Love_Icon

[RamaMama]

Because Dude has not really been doing very well for the last few days { ? } or longer,
we decided to start him on Metacam.
He received his first dose today.
Hoping it will help with any possible inflammation in his nasal passages and ease his
ability to breathe.
The problem with mucus has become very bad and we can no longer suction his
nose - at lease we are too fearful to do that any more, so the mucus keeps building
up.
We do continue to use the nose drops on occasion but can't use it every day.
We hope Dude will feel better.

He has my Heart....
and his Daddy's - of course.
:grouphug:Love_Icon:grouphug:Love_Icon:grouphug

[Snicker Bar]

Thanks for sharing his history; I’m so, so sorry to hear of your predicament , for a lack of experienced , veterinary help for him. But your dedication, diligent nursing care, and love are as valuable , if not more so , than the benefits a board certified surgeon, if his condition is truly too advanced for surgical options at this point. And who knows; perhaps it’s more than coincidence , or bad luck, that this wasn’t meant to be available for him. If he is a head trauma survivor, he may have been at risk of some unforeseen complication with anesthesia, regardless of all the best pre-op tests, or monitoring equipment. In other words, it’s his quality of life that you’ve gifted him with over the years ( and prayerfully for many more to come) that means the most to little Dude, I’m sure he’d agree. My little gang and I will continue to be hopefully optimistic , that things will improve a little every day.

[Chickenlegs]

Hey Dude man. Feel better little buddy. You are SO loved! :Love_Icon

[BCChins]

Anyone think a Saline Mist might help.

[CritterMom]

Guys, I did some reading and brain picking. One of the things that is making Cruiser so miserable is the snot and mucous that you guys are afraid to suction out. If he was a human I would suggest some Mucinex. So I did some reading up on Guaifenesin, which is the active ingredient in Mucinex - the expectorant. It thins mucous secretions so the drain.

It is used in dogs and cats and a source for rats was found as well: http://ratguide.com/meds/respiratory_drugs/guaifenesin_otc.php

It is marketed mostly in the US as Mucinex and Robitussin - but you need to read labels at the store. You want something that has only the Guaifenesin in it - many of these meds combine a bunch of active ingredients in them. I would look at the Children's preps for these meds. I would think the liquid version would be best - easier to give a suspension.

I don't now if you want to try this; certainly I have given you something to do some more research on. Dosing would depend on what you ultimately find. If you wanted to pursue this I think I would be really conservative dosing - like maybe half of the recommended at first to see if there are any issues (stomach upset is mentioned - usually giving on a full stomach will prevent this)...

??? :grouphugCruiser:grouphug

[TubeDriver]

:goodpost

CM, I think that is a great idea to try out. Overall, Guaifenesin is a pretty safe med. Calculating out a conservative dose for a trial run should be fairly stright forward. As CM stated, trying to find a med that contains only one active ingredient (Guaifenesin) would be ideal! It might really help with all that nasty mucus that the Dude has to deal with.



Guys, I did some reading and brain picking. One of the things that is making Cruiser so miserable is the snot and mucous that you guys are afraid to suction out. If he was a human I would suggest some Mucinex. So I did some reading up on Guaifenesin, which is the active ingredient in Mucinex - the expectorant. It thins mucous secretions so the drain.

It is used in dogs and cats and a source for rats was found as well: http://ratguide.com/meds/respiratory_drugs/guaifenesin_otc.php

It is marketed mostly in the US as Mucinex and Robitussin - but you need to read labels at the store. You want something that has only the Guaifenesin in it - many of these meds combine a bunch of active ingredients in them. I would look at the Children's preps for these meds. I would think the liquid version would be best - easier to give a suspension.

I don't now if you want to try this; certainly I have given you something to do some more research on. Dosing would depend on what you ultimately find. If you wanted to pursue this I think I would be really conservative dosing - like maybe half of the recommended at first to see if there are any issues (stomach upset is mentioned - usually giving on a full stomach will prevent this)...

??? :grouphugCruiser:grouphug

[ScrappyDo]

Anyone think a Saline Mist might help.

That was my first thought. Then I remembered my husband's blood pressure goes up if he has too much sodium so he has to use a different rinse when his allergies are acting up. I would be afraid too much would go down his throat.

[ScrappyDo]

I know it's controversial, but I have used colloidal silver with great success in treating my husband's and my own sinus problems (infections), my hubs uses it for eye allergy relief, a rescue bird crop infection, food poisoning or stomach virus (my family and our doxie), and once for pneumonia in a tiny baby squirrel (my Rose!) I put a drop in all my animals water to keep it fresh and have for years with no ill affect. Just a thought! Do you have access to it? Would I be able to send you some? It surely isn't a cure-all but it wouldn't hurt to try.

[RamaMama]

CritterMom - I read up on Mucinex/Guaif - it only states that it is used for mucus in the chest and throat.... Dude's is strictly in his sinus cavity. Would the Mu/Guaif still workon his sinus providing we could find any here?

ScrappyDo - not clue if we could find C. S. here. At present we have no mailing address. Working on getting a P.O. Box.
For homes there is no sure thing as a 'mailing address' - only Businesses.

[RamaMama]

HUGE stinking Bummer ! !

This morning I got a beautiful large specimen of mucus from Dude. Stosh took it to the Lab
as they said they NOW have the means to do 'bacterial tests'.

Now they can't do the test because Dude is on an AB.

He has to be off for at least 3 days. Dude has been on since Feb 2nd. Can he be taken off for a time
{ it could be - 3 days - a week or longer } until I can get a 'clean' specimen?
It has been some time since I was able to get the last one.

Could going off Doxy for however long, and then going back on, providing that the Doxy is even helping,
cause the Doxy to be LESS effective once or if he goes back on it ? ? ? ? ? ?

:bash <> :madd <> :hissyfit <> :frustratedx

[TubeDriver]

Yes, interrupting antibiotic course can lead to increased resistance. I would finish the full AB course, wait a week and then get the mucus sample.


Even though the mucus appears in his sinus areas, it may also be building up in his chest? I think it is worth a shot to see if the Mucinex/Guaif helps. It is probably safer than repeated AB trials.




HUGE stinking Bummer ! !

This morning I got a beautiful large specimen of mucus from Dude. Stosh took it to the Lab
as they said they NOW have the means to do 'bacterial tests'.

Now they can't do the test because Dude is on an AB.

He has to be off for at least 3 days. Dude has been on since Feb 2nd. Can he be taken off for a time
{ it could be - 3 days - a week or longer } until I can get a 'clean' specimen?
It has been some time since I was able to get the last one.

Could going off Doxy for however long, and then going back on, providing that the Doxy is even helping,
cause the Doxy to be LESS effective once or if he goes back on it ? ? ? ? ? ?

:bash <> :madd <> :hissyfit <> :frustratedx

[RamaMama]

[QUOTE]I would finish the full AB course, wait a week and then get the mucus sample.

What would be a FULL AB course with Doxy ? ?

It was/is our understanding that Dude would be on Doxy "long term" due to the fact that with un-correctable "O"
we are no longer trying to 'cure the infection"---- but simply keep it under as much control as possible until it is no
longer possible. To give Dude some quality of life for Now.
We know that AS SOON as any AB is stopped, infection can or will begin again almost immediately due to the continuous destruction of the mucus membrane and the bone itself by the growing tumor/s.

But still need or want tests to know that the AB we ARE giving is having an effect ----- even if only for some time.
:Love_Icon

[TubeDriver]

I don't know enough about "long term" Doxy treatment to answer this. The longest I have used it is for 21 days to treat Lepto.

I would check with HRT4SQYRL about what would be best. A culture could prove really helpful in the long run to determining how to treat the Dude.





[QUOTE=TubeDriver;1254876] wait a week and then get the mucus sample.

What would be a FULL AB course with Doxy ? ?

It was/is our understanding that Dude would be on Doxy "long term" due to the fact that with un-correctable "O"
we are no longer trying to 'cure the infection"---- but simply keep it under as much control as possible until it is no
longer possible. To give Dude some quality of life for Now.
We know that AS SOON as any AB is stopped, infection can or will begin again almost immediately due to the continuous destruction of the mucus membrane and the bone itself by the growing tumor/s.

But still need or want tests to know that the AB we ARE giving is having an effect ----- even if only for some time.
:Love_Icon

[RamaMama]

Thank you for the suggestion TubeDriver. I will PM HRT4SQRLS. Find out the best course of action. :Love_Icon

[RamaMama]

Dude seemed really good this morning, he was very active, happy
and playful.... but by late morning he was not doing well. Gave him his Meta early in case he
was in pain..... etc.

Other than just a couple pieces this morning he ate very little today.... I gave him a small
amount of boo ball this afternoon so I could give him his Doxy.
In the early evening I made a 'shake' of boo ball, plum baby food,
coconut oil, and a tad of honey. Forced him to take maybe 2 cc's. After that, forget it.

I hope he feels better tomorrow.

Per instructions:
We will stop the Doxy tomorrow but continue the Meta.
Starting Monday we will be hoping for a good specimen of mucus
so we can have a culture done but it could take some days to get any.
Once we have the specimen we will start him on Enrofloxcin and see how he does.

:Love_Icon :grouphug :Love_Icon

[Mel1959]

With the specimen are you trying to determine if the mucous is bacterial or fungal? I remember you having a problem with mold in the house at one time. Tara’s LG had a fungal infection in her sinus cavity following surgery. She had been exposed to mold in a car. Dr. E said it takes only one spore. It was very difficult to get rid of and no antibiotic will help. I believe Tara may have posted in LG’s thread what meds Dr. E used. I’m sorry if this is redundant.

If you find you need medication that you can’t get there, would it be possible for me to ask Dr. E for some help and then send it to you? I’m not sure how the mail system works there and if parcels containing meds would be confiscated. :dono

[stosh2010]

With the specimen are you trying to determine if the mucous is bacterial or fungal? I remember you having a problem with mold in the house at one time. Tara’s LG had a fungal infection in her sinus cavity following surgery. She had been exposed to mold in a car. Dr. E said it takes only one spore. It was very difficult to get rid of and no antibiotic will help. I believe Tara may have posted in LG’s thread what meds Dr. E used. I’m sorry if this is redundant.

If you find you need medication that you can’t get there, would it be possible for me to ask Dr. E for some help and then send it to you? I’m not sure how the mail system works there and if parcels containing meds would be confiscated. :dono

A few years ago, we shipped some Fox valley to C.R. It got stooped at the Main Customs office.( they opened it and found a "white powder") They sent a post card to my local Post Office...(that took 5 days) then 3 days later I received it (a total of 8 days.) They was a fine of around $3.00/day for "storage" and the Customs office was a 3 hour drive from my town.
Needless to say:
I never even went. The gas alone would off set the Fox Valley value. Shipping is a hit or miss deal here. Sometimes there is no interruption. I don't use the mails very often ( once or twice a year)

[RamaMama]

With the specimen are you trying to determine if the mucous is bacterial or fungal? I remember you having a problem with mold in the house at one time.

We got a specimen about two weeks ago and it is being tested for fungus....... will be at least another two?weeks?
for the results to come in. We could not have the bacterial test done at the same time as the Lab did not have
what they needed.... took almost a month for them to get that part of their testing ability back on line.
Here's hoping and praying that once we DO have another specimen they will still have the ability to do the
proper testing.

We/I need to know we are giving Dude AB's which are STILL 'sensitive' to the drug being used.

Dude's weight has dropped 3 times since Feb 23 - 581 ---- March 1 - 561

[RamaMama]

Dude Update

Finally got a mucus specimen from Dude late yesterday evening. Today it was taken to the lab to be
tested for bacteria and the meds the bugs will be sensitive to..... we hope they are meds squirrels can
take. { The fungal test results are not in yet. }

Stopped the Doxy so we could get a proper reading for Dude's bacterial test but as Dude was not really responding very well Doxy will not be continued......... Dude is not eating hardly anything.

This morning he was started back on the Enrofloxcin in the 'hope' that the hiatus from it will make
the bug sensitive once again, at least until we get the results.

In the craziness of today I forgot to give Dude the Metacam........ it is time for his Enrofloxcin....
do these two drugs need to be given a separate times ? ? ? ? ?
I could give him the Metacam much later tonight if need be..... I usually give it to him around noon....
OR I can just skip one day and start again tomorrow at noon. Directions Please !

Also, does anyone know HOW LONG can a squirrel safely continue to take Metacam ? ? ? ?
Thanks Every One.
:grouphug

[TubeDriver]

You can give him both!

Metacam can damage the GI tract and cause ulcers. The longer he is on it, the more risk increases.



Dude Update

Finally got a mucus specimen from Dude late yesterday evening. Today it was taken to the lab to be
tested for bacteria and the meds the bugs will be sensitive to..... we hope they are meds squirrels can
take. { The fungal test results are not in yet. }

Stopped the Doxy so we could get a proper reading for Dude's bacterial test but as Dude was not really responding very well Doxy will not be continued......... Dude is not eating hardly anything.

This morning he was started back on the Enrofloxcin in the 'hope' that the hiatus from it will make
the bug sensitive once again, at least until we get the results.

In the craziness of today I forgot to give Dude the Metacam........ it is time for his Enrofloxcin....
do these two drugs need to be given a separate times ? ? ? ? ?
I could give him the Metacam much later tonight if need be..... I usually give it to him around noon....
OR I can just skip one day and start again tomorrow at noon. Directions Please !

Also, does anyone know HOW LONG can a squirrel safely continue to take Metacam ? ? ? ?
Thanks Every One.
:grouphug

[RamaMama]

Over the last two or three days Dude is declining.... a LOT of mucus and harder to breathe esp
with the mucus now seeming to go down his throat more.

Yesterday afternoon, FINALLY after 4 months of trying, got the Lab test results back.

No Fungus.

The mucus from Dude's sinus shows:

E. Coli

and

Staphylococcus aureus

The Lab readout is completely different than any we had ever received in the past with all kinds of symbols
and numbers beside each drug name. We have a Rehabber working on dosing but it will take some study.

You can count on ONE HAND how many of the multiple listed drugs are "S" to the S. aureus.

I feel after so many months of having this infection Dude is being eaten alive by it.
Still hoping once we CAN start dosing he will recover at least for a term of feeling well and happy
again.
We steamed him yesterday and the night before we put drops in his nose. Both help to a point, just not enough....
but he needs much more help.

Prayers will be appreciated.
Just wanted to update every one who follows Dude's Tread.
:Love_Icon

[Diggie's Friend]

Keep up the probiotic, it battles against these bad bacterias.

[HRT4SQRLS]

:grouphug :Love_Icon :grouphug

[Toddy]

Sending loving prayers your way! :grouphug
:Love_Icon:Love_Icon DUDE :Love_Icon:Love_Icon

[Nancy in New York]

:Love_Icon :hug Dude :hug :Love_Icon

[lukaslolamaus]

Sending prayers for the :Love_IconDude:Love_Icon and his :grouphugparents:grouphug

[stosh2010]

Thanks EVERYONE----------( lurkers too) that care about and pray for out little DUDE.
I am sure that everyone feels that THEIR squirrel is the best one on the planet...
Very possible...
However the DUDE--is the best on in the UNIVERSE...and I only hope a miracle is in his future.
It was way back in Dec. of 2016 that I started thinking he was leaving us...and HERE WE ARE...still fighting...still loving & enjoying the Cruiser Dude.
So maybe all the lab reports and symptoms are just wrong. ( I wish)

We will care for and love the Dude every hour---He has not gotten to where we feel there is no hope. At that moment ---we will seek relief for him.
In the mean time he is just a blessing to have in our home.



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[CritterMom]

Hey Rosie, are any of the drugs that show up in your report SMZ-TMP? The full name is Sulfamethoxazole Trimethoprin, though I have seen it called "Trimethoprim/sulfa" before too. It has a bunch of brand names too but I doubt those would be in your lab report. I know it works on e coli in the urinary tract and I know it works on the staph...sometimes, depending on resistance. Both of those bacteria are normally found in the body. This is in a difficult place, but then again, I **think** SMZ-TMP does pretty well in and around the skull - HRT4SQRLS would know for sure. And I know you have SMZ-TMP.

[RamaMama]

Hey Rosie, are any of the drugs that show up in your report SMZ-TMP? The full name is Sulfamethoxazole Trimethoprin, though I have seen it called "Trimethoprim/sulfa" before too. .

Hi Yes. Trimet/Sulfa is listed as " >2/38 R". Eighteen are "R".... 4 are "S" sensitive.

The 4 "S" are
Rifampicina <=1
Gentamicina <=4
Synarcid <=0.5
Vancomicina <=0.25

[HRT4SQRLS]

Unfortunately, SMZ-TMP won't work. Both organisms are Resistant.
The Staph. aureus is extremely Resistant. It is an MRSA. It is probably the most resistant S.aureus I have ever seen. None of the antibiotics that we typically use will work.
Three of the antibiotics that are sensitive are IV antibiotics. I would say that these are impossible to acquire. The Synercid is a newer drug that is pretty much a last line of therapy drug. Insurance companies don't like it because of the high cost. It is around $400 per dose. Getting it would be impossible. Rifampin is a pill but it is never used alone as resistance develops quickly when used alone.

For those that are interested, the numerical values are the MIC (Minimum Inhibitory Concentration) of the antibiotic to the organism. Some antibiotics are dosed very specifically and these numbers are used to prescribe a precise amount. Most physicians don't use them. All they want to know is will it work. Is it sensitive?

[cava]

HRT, would oral Vancomycin work? There's a doc at my office who likes to give it to everyone for everything. I don't know much about cost or availability...thought I'd ask.

[HRT4SQRLS]

The Staph is sensitive to Vancomycin but it would be difficult to acquire.
Also, when taken orally it is poorly absorbed.

[cava]

The Staph is sensitive to Vancomycin but it would be difficult to acquire.
Also, when taken orally it is poorly absorbed.

Thanks for the info!:great

[TubeDriver]

:grouphug Dude :grouphug

[Pnerissa]

I wish I had something worthwhile to contribute. Just know that you're in my thoughts. :hug

Bev

[Nancy in New York]

:Love_Icon Dude :Love_Icon

[Mel1959]

Thinking about you guys. :hug:Love_Icon

[RamaMama]

Dude would not come out of his nest box this morning. This is a first.

He actually had a very good, quiet night. NO honking, snorting, wheezing, gasping.
Stosh & I were very happy about that until we realized he was not OK.

Yesterday afternoon at 4PM Dude was given Metacam. I understand this is a once a day
dosing. We are concerned Dude may be in pain. Is there anything we can give him that
does not have a bad interaction with the Meta? How often? I was giving Meta to help with
the inflammation as well as pain.

IF there is a pain drug, I will ask for help with dosing unless it is Benedryl. That one I know.
Thanks

[CritterMom]

Can you get your hands on some Tramadol? It is technically an "opiod" type drug but it can be used in conjunction with the Metacam - say one in the morning and the other in the evening.

[Scooterzmom]

:grouphug:Love_IconDude and his mom & dad:Love_Icon:grouphug Sending all the positive vibes I can muster.

[Nancy in New York]

Dude would not come out of his nest box this morning. This is a first.

He actually had a very good, quiet night. NO honking, snorting, wheezing, gasping.
Stosh & I were very happy about that until we realized he was not OK.

Yesterday afternoon at 4PM Dude was given Metacam. I understand this is a once a day
dosing. We are concerned Dude may be in pain. Is there anything we can give him that
does not have a bad interaction with the Meta? How often? I was giving Meta to help with
the inflammation as well as pain.

IF there is a pain drug, I will ask for help with dosing unless it is Benedryl. That one I know.
Thanks

How much Metacam are you giving?
This can actually be given twice daily for more consistent pain
management but you need the correct amount.
I wouldn't suggest that though if you're going to add Tramadol.
What makes you think he's in pain?
Does he appear groggy?
Have you seen him this morning?
I'm just a little concerned with giving him Tramadol
now.
Per the WMB Book, Side effects are considered rare.
IF an animals becomes over sedatd or develops bizarre behavior,
the dose should be reduced.

[Toddy]

Loving prayers being sent your way :grouphug

[RamaMama]

How much Metacam are you giving?
What makes you think he's in pain?
Does he appear groggy?
Have you seen him this morning?
I'm just a little concerned with giving him Tramadol
now.
Per the WMB Book, Side effects are considered rare.
IF an animals becomes over sedatd or develops bizarre behavior,
the dose should be reduced.

We do have Tramadol.

Dude's once a day dose of Metacam is very low { I think }
0.04 as it was intended to be used LONG TERM ! As time passed
and necessity warranted we could raise it slowly.

Not sure he is in 'pain' but just know he feels like CRAP as one does with a very bad infection
throughout the body.

He is not groggy but very lethargic.

Just a few moments ago, Stosh reached in to touch/caress Dude and Stosh said, "....he felt
very stiff... but was deep asleep {isn't it usual to be relaxed when deep asleep - not tense?? ...." }

Stosh felt 'concern' at Dude feeling so stiff to the touch so took him out and held him wrapped in
his sweatshirt for about 5 minutes. Dude did not want to be held and awakened immediately.
He was given a drink, peed, and he wanted to go back to bed.
He NEVER goes to bed during the day but that is where he is now.

? Suggestions
Absolutely DO NOT want to make a bad situation worse..... but would like Dude to at least be
as comfortable as possible considering the present situation.

What to do.

[Jen413]

I hate he is feeling so awful. I know that is stressful for all of you. Prayers sent your way!

[muggsy'sgm]

:grouphug Dude and Dude's 'rents :grouphug

[lukaslolamaus]

I'm sorry to hear that the :Love_IconDude:Love_Icon is having such a hard time :grouphug. Sending prayers your way :grouphug

[Nancy in New York]

We do have Tramadol.

Dude's once a day dose of Metacam is very low { I think }
0.04 as it was intended to be used LONG TERM ! As time passed
and necessity warranted we could raise it slowly.

Not sure he is in 'pain' but just know he feels like CRAP as one does with a very bad infection
throughout the body.

He is not groggy but very lethargic.

Just a few moments ago, Stosh reached in to touch/caress Dude and Stosh said, "....he felt
very stiff... but was deep asleep {isn't it usual to be relaxed when deep asleep - not tense?? ...." }

Stosh felt 'concern' at Dude feeling so stiff to the touch so took him out and held him wrapped in
his sweatshirt for about 5 minutes. Dude did not want to be held and awakened immediately.
He was given a drink, peed, and he wanted to go back to bed.
He NEVER goes to bed during the day but that is where he is now.

? Suggestions
Absolutely DO NOT want to make a bad situation worse..... but would like Dude to at least be
as comfortable as possible considering the present situation.

What to do.


OK thank you for explaining the Metacam. :thumbsup
It's strange that Dude felt stiff. Yes, when they sleep sometimes they
are like a limp dish rag, other times they wake immediatley.
Not sure what is going on with Dude. I wonder if he is in pain and the stiffness comes
from not wanting to relax his muscles.
How does his body temp. feel?
You can give Tramadol.
I think you have the 50 mg size, just confirm that, and
give his weight in grams.
I will keep checking the board periodically.
:Love_Icon Dude :Love_Icon

[TubeDriver]

Watch the Dude's ears and eyes to help judge if he is in pain. When in pain, they sometimes pin their ears down closer to their head and of course squirrel tears look milky. I hope he is just being groggy today but the reduced activity is generally not a good sign.

:grouphug Dude :grouphug

[RamaMama]

Thought some of you might like an update even though we really don't have a whole lot to tell.

All Dude wants is to sleep. He will raise his head up and look if we touch or pet him but stirs very little.
He has come out a couple of times to drink maranon {maran yon - as pronounced } then Dude goes
right back to sleep.

Because he is sleeping so much Stosh has opted {at this time} not to give him any meds that may depress
his breathing, heart rate, etc.
I am thinking, though, that I may go ahead at 4pm and give Dude his Metacam. It is a very small dose I think.

We took him out just a short time ago to pee.... he did really good. Weighed him - since March 9th he has
dropped 20 grams. down to 557.
Although all he seems to want to do right now is sleep I did hand him an iccaco fruit, beach plum in the states.
Surprise, first he didn't want it but changed his mind and at present he is nibbling on it. Will also offer some
very soft wet young coconut meat, the kind babies eat.
Some thing is better than nothing ----- I hope.

[lukaslolamaus]

:grouphug:grouphug:grouphug

[HRT4SQRLS]

Thank you Rosie. My heart is with you. :grouphug

[TubeDriver]

:grouphug:grouphug:grouphug

[Toddy]

:hug:Love_Icon DUDE :Love_Icon:hug

[Nancy in New York]

:Love_Icon:hug:Love_Icon Always in our mind, and in our prayers. :Love_Icon:hug:Love_Icon

[lennysmom]

Many prayers for that precious boy.:grouphug:Love_Icon:grouphug

[cava]

C'mon buddy, hang in there! Dude:Love_Icon:Love_Icon:Love_Icon

[RamaMama]

Dude 'seems' a bit better this morning.

He got up at his regular time of 5:45am, but he did not eat anything until around 8am.
He didn't eat much but it is better than yesterday. He stayed up most of the early morning
and just now at 9:20am went into his nest box.

We will see how the day goes.

:grouphug:Love_Icon:grouphug

[Nancy in New York]

Dude 'seems' a bit better this morning.

He got up at his regular time of 5:45am, but he did not eat anything until around 8am.
He didn't eat much but it is better than yesterday. He stayed up most of the early morning
and just now at 9:20am went into his nest box.

We will see how the day goes.

:grouphug:Love_Icon:grouphug

Your little Dude is aging all of us Rosie. :)
Glad this report is "better" this morning. :Love_Icon

[TubeDriver]

I wonder if the Dude has any idea of how many friends he has? Feel better today gentle Dude. :glomp

[anniedancer]

This thread is exactly why I love this Board. All these wonderful, caring humans who try to help animals. It just breaks my heart that Dude is ailing. But kudos to you for trying so hard to help.

I havent been active here for quite a while. Life got in the way, I guess. I started working again, plus my squirrels simply disappeared during a month's time. They just - disappeared. I dont know why. But I miss them terribly. Right now, I think we have maybe 4 regular squirrels - mostly females. Two of them know I hand out nuts, the two others dont.

God Bless all of you for the greatness of your hearts!
Annie in Florida

[Baxied]

:Love_Icon:Love_Icon Dude :Love_Icon:Love_Icon

[Mel1959]

:Love_Icon

[stosh2010]

This thread is exactly why I love this Board. All these wonderful, caring humans who try to help animals. It just breaks my heart that Dude is ailing. But kudos to you for trying so hard to help.

I havent been active here for quite a while. Life got in the way, I guess. I started working again, plus my squirrels simply disappeared during a month's time. They just - disappeared. I dont know why. But I miss them terribly. Right now, I think we have maybe 4 regular squirrels - mostly females. Two of them know I hand out nuts, the two others dont.

God Bless all of you for the greatness of your hearts!
Annie in Florida

Welcome back.

Life is What Happens...While We're BUSY Making OTHER Plans.--John Lennon

[stosh2010]

For years, Cruiser usually wants to climb into his "blankie" hammock, that is strung in front of one of our living room windows. Every day after lunch...he prances across the room --heading for his blankie. I then lift him up and tuck him in with a few extra fleece pieces. Since he has been feeling "lumpy" (feeling poorly) the Dude spends that time in his nest box. THAT ... is out of the ordinary.

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[RamaMama]

A particular AB has been suggested as some thing to try. If there is a possiblilty
that it will help we are willing to give it a go. We have tried to reach our local vet both
calling and went over to her Office.
It is a regular work day and the office should have been open
but it was locked up.......so have to wait until tomorrow to try again to reach her.

IF the Office is not open by noon we will ask our regular human Dr. He is very kind and may help
us out.

Bless Little Dude.

Gave him Meta a short time ago..... hope he has a good night and tomorrow will begin an upswing
in his health situation.

For a time. Long time; I hope.

:Love_Icon:grouphug:Love_Icon

[stosh2010]

The DUDE doesn't look ill.................
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....................but he IS.

[LR]

Prayers for Dude and hid Mom & Dad.....

[TubeDriver]

:Love_Icon:grouphug Dude :grouphug:Love_Icon

[RamaMama]

+I have been reading up on Azithromicin/Zithromax as I hope Stosh can get it today.

It 'looks like' it could be very bad to give Dude Tramadol or Metacam while he is on this AB
but Ibuprofen is OK. I really feel Dude is in pain or at least much discomfort.

Any one have any input concerning these combinations of drugs?

I ask now as IF we do get this AB I want to get the dosing and begin treatment for
Dude ASAP !
:Love_Icon

[CritterMom]

+I have been reading up on Azithromicin/Zithromax as I hope Stosh can get it today.

It 'looks like' it could be very bad to give Dude Tramadol or Metacam while he is on this AB
but Ibuprofen is OK. I really feel Dude is in pain or at least much discomfort.

Any one have any input concerning these combinations of drugs?

I ask now as IF we do get this AB I want to get the dosing and begin treatment for
Dude ASAP !
:Love_Icon

For HUMANS I don't see any interactions with either tramadol or metacam... Not sure where you got the info.

Metacam (meloxicam) and ibuprophen are similar in that they are both NSAIDS. I don't see a situation where one of them would be a problem but not the other. Tramadol is very different - it is an opiod and works very differently.

[TubeDriver]

As was stated, there are no major issues with using Azithromicin/Zithromax and Metacam. Stomach and GI issues are a risk with most Abs and NSAIDS so usd together could increase that risk somewhat.

The Tramadol should not be used with codeine containing pain killers but there are no maor issues using it with Azithromicin/Zithromax.

I would start with the Metacam since it can also help reduce swelling, if the Dude appears to be in extreme pain than switch over to Tramadol.

[RamaMama]

Dude received his first dose of Azithromycin.

He will receive probiotics around 6pm and Metacam around 7pm.

If anyone see's any possible issues let us know.

Otherwise we are living in hope. The next few days will tell the tale.

:Love_Icon

[TubeDriver]

:Love_Icon Dude :Love_Icon