Ashley's Hair Loss Again

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Hello all. I'm looking for suggestions again. Back in July, I posted about Ashley's hair loss. At that time, it was only at her groin areas and lower belly.
Since then, I've used Tinactin and coconut oil to treat for a fungus. I've been using a reptile light. I've added some Zinc to her diet. And lastly, I gave here a round of Ivermectin. Nothing has worked. Now she has no hair at her armpits and her entire belly and chest are thinning. Her back toes don't have any hair. In the beginning she did not itch but she does now. Her colored hair; arms, legs, back, tail, head, etc. are perfectly fine. Only white hair is effected. Also, her diet is good. She gets (2) Henry's in the morning and nothing but veggies from the Henry's triangle during the day. She still likes Esbilac (she's 2 years old) so I start the evening with that and then she gets a couple nuts to close out the day. I use old tee shirts in her cage and nest. There's no newspaper used. I'm stumped. The last things I can think of to try is Revolution for kittens and adding Magnesium to her diet. Does anybody have any idea what this might be? Thanks in advance for your suggestions.

[emi]

Hello

https://www.google.com/search?q=dogs+on+keto+diet&rlz=1C9BKJA_enUS703US704&hl=en-US&prmd=vin&source=lnms&tbm=vid&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjZzazr4rHXAhUlyoMKHblbAGUQ_AUIEigB&biw=1024&bih=653

How one of the most aggressive cancers was defeated.

This is a link to a video about dogs on a keto diet. High fat diet with intermittent fasting.

Lot of those dogs looked pretty ruff.


https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C9BKJA_enUS703US704&hl=en-US&q=dr+thomas+seyfried+boston+college+cancer+metabol ic+solution&spell=1&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjVvMuI5LHXAhVh6IMKHeH-A9cQvwUIISgA&biw=1024&bih=653&dpr=2

It is the IHRR lecture.

Dr Thomas seyfried gave an amazing lecture. During the lecture he shows dogs with cancer that go on a raw diet. The tumor goes down and hair growth. Check out fasting and animals. Not starving but fasting.

I realize this blog is for squirrels but just something to think about. Does not cost anything and gives the body a rest.

Keep me posted. Emi

w00t:w00t
Hello all. I'm looking for suggestions again. Back in July, I posted about Ashley's hair loss. At that time, it was only at her groin areas and lower belly.
Since then, I've used Tinactin and coconut oil to treat for a fungus. I've been using a reptile light. I've added some Zinc to her diet. And lastly, I gave here a round of Ivermectin. Nothing has worked. Now she has no hair at her armpits and her entire belly and chest are thinning. Her back toes don't have any hair. In the beginning she did not itch but she does now. Her colored hair; arms, legs, back, tail, head, etc. are perfectly fine. Only white hair is effected. Also, her diet is good. She gets (2) Henry's in the morning and nothing but veggies from the Henry's triangle during the day. She still likes Esbilac (she's 2 years old) so I start the evening with that and then she gets a couple nuts to close out the day. I use old tee shirts in her cage and nest. There's no newspaper used. I'm stumped. The last things I can think of to try is Revolution for kittens and adding Magnesium to her diet. Does anybody have any idea what this might be? Thanks in advance for your suggestions.

[cava]

Hello

https://www.google.com/search?q=dogs+on+keto+diet&rlz=1C9BKJA_enUS703US704&hl=en-US&prmd=vin&source=lnms&tbm=vid&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjZzazr4rHXAhUlyoMKHblbAGUQ_AUIEigB&biw=1024&bih=653

How one of the most aggressive cancers was defeated.

This is a link to a video about dogs on a keto diet. High fat diet with intermittent fasting.

Lot of those dogs looked pretty ruff.


https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C9BKJA_enUS703US704&hl=en-US&q=dr+thomas+seyfried+boston+college+cancer+metabol ic+solution&spell=1&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjVvMuI5LHXAhVh6IMKHeH-A9cQvwUIISgA&biw=1024&bih=653&dpr=2

It is the IHRR lecture.

Dr Thomas seyfried gave an amazing lecture. During the lecture he shows dogs with cancer that go on a raw diet. The tumor goes down and hair growth. Check out fasting and animals. Not starving but fasting.

I realize this blog is for squirrels but just something to think about. Does not cost anything and gives the body a rest.

Keep me posted. Emi

w00t:w00t

This squirrel has not been diagnosed with cancer and is a rodent, not a canine. They are not designed to be on a high protein/high fat diet with limited carbs. It is not advisable to put a squirrel into ketosis.

Ketosis is a normal metabolic process. When the body does not have enough glucose for energy, it burns stored fats instead; this results in a build-up of acids called ketones within the body. Some people encourage ketosis by following a diet called the ketogenic or low-carb diet.

Fasting and carb cutting should be done under the supervision of a vet qualified in the practice with a particular species. Appropriate diet is promoted here with the use of the following food pyramid and base diet of rodent block. https://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?44440-Healthy-Diet-for-Pet-Squirrels

[CritterMom]

I would give the Revolution a shot. I have an 8 year old male and every summer for his entire life he has had a "mystery molt" that would start with his summer coat and invariably result in big bare patches here and there for months and months. He lives INSIDE in my guest room in a huge enclosure that is kept clean, clean, clean; I stopped bringing stuff inside from outside for fear I was bringing something in that was affecting him. He has 4 2-light 4 foot fluorescent fixtures over his enclosure, and 3 of the 8 bulbs are reptile lights (it is a huge enclosure as I said - about 5' x 15' x 6' tall). He has eaten HHB's since he weaned. I was doing EVERYTHING. And yet he still spent half the year looking like an unmade bed!

This spring I dosed him with kitten Revolution about the time I saw him starting to blow his winter coat, and dosed him a second time a month later - he is a BIG boy so he got 3 drops each time. And for the first time he had a beautiful, perfect summer cost - thick, shiny - everything a squirrel mama could want. I don't know what the problem was with him and I don't know why the Revolution helped - or even if it did - perhaps it was a huge coincidence...

But having been through this he will be getting kitten Revolution again next spring. Which is why I would suggest you try it.

www.joespetmeds sells it from Australia I believe - takes about a week to get it. After applying, reseal the little vial by pushing the cap down and tape it to the inside of the fridge and use it to re-apply in 30 days instead of discarding it and opening a new vial.

[LR]

He has already dosed him with Ivermectin. Will he need wait an amount of time before using the Revolution?

[CritterMom]

He has already dosed him with Ivermectin. Will he need wait an amount of time before using the Revolution?

Yes. How much did you give him? To be safe I think I would wait 30 days...

[Centerline]

Thanks for all the responses. I gave Ashley a rice grain sized glob of 1.87% Ivermectin paste each Monday for 3 Mondays in a row. The last dose was on 10/23. I will be sure to wait 30 days before I use Revolution. Joespetmeds sure does have some bad reviews. Is there any alternative for obtaining Revolution for someone in a squirrel unfriendly state?

[TubeDriver]

Try changing the laundry soap you are using to wash the old tee shirts and anything else in her cage. Could be some type of contact dermatitis?

[CritterMom]

Thanks for all the responses. I gave Ashley a rice grain sized glob of 1.87% Ivermectin paste each Monday for 3 Mondays in a row. The last dose was on 10/23. I will be sure to wait 30 days before I use Revolution. Joespetmeds sure does have some bad reviews. Is there any alternative for obtaining Revolution for someone in a squirrel unfriendly state?

Do they? I have ordered several times with no issues...

[LR]

You could also try increasing her HHB to 3-4. That would increase her vitamin intake in a safe amount with out having to guess how much to give her...

[Centerline]

Yes. I saw 50/50 reviews for Joespetmeds. Some say some of the products may not be up to spec and some complain about shipping time and customer service. While I saw equally as many who were totally pleased. I will give them a try.

[Nancy in New York]

Thanks for all the responses. I gave Ashley a rice grain sized glob of 1.87% Ivermectin paste each Monday for 3 Mondays in a row. The last dose was on 10/23.
Chris's squirrel store sells the liquid ivermectin.
https://www.squirrelsandmore.com/products/copy-of-ivermectin-50-ml-expiration-date-07-2017
It's the 1% strength.
This is dosed according to the weight of the squirrel in grams, after it's diluted,
either topically, the preferred method, or orally.

Giving a rice sized glob of 1.87% is a very dangerous practice, and it's never dosed weekly.
You have an inside squirrel, so please dose this the safest possible way.
This "one size fits all" is typically done ONLY on the outside wild squirrels when
there is no other alternative.
Even then it has to be administered with extreme caution, as it's quite
toxic if given incorrectly.
https://www.squirrelsandmore.com/products/copy-of-ivermectin-50-ml-expiration-date-07-2017

I have ordered from Joes multiple times, and never had a problem.

[HRT4SQRLS]

Yes. I saw 50/50 reviews for Joespetmeds. Some say some of the products may not be up to spec and some complain about shipping time and customer service. While I saw equally as many who were totally pleased. I will give them a try.

I've ordered from Joe's several times and have never been disappointed. My orders came in a week. I thought that was stellar considering it's coming from Australia.

[Centerline]

OK. I will order some Revolution for kittens from Joespetmeds tonight. Sounds like I got lucky with the Ivermectin. I will stay away from that from now on unless I really really need it. Thanks for the feedback everyone! Also, sounds like the squirrel posted below who has the (2) 4ft fluorescent is getting way more UV light than Ashley. Ashley just has one lamp. I'm going to get a bigger source or a couple more lamps for Ashley. Thanks again everyone.

[Centerline]

Ashley got her Revolution for kittens today. I can't wait to see if she starts to get some hair back on her bare areas. Would 1 week be too optimistic to start seeing some hair re-growth?

[LR]

The active ingredient in Revolution is ivermectin. Get a weight on your squirrel and have someone dose it for you. Do not use the the whole tube at one time...you could kill it!

[CritterMom]

The active ingredient in Revolution is ivermectin. Get a weight on your squirrel and have someone dose it for you. Do not use the the whole tube at one time...you could kill it!

No. it is selactamin. Structurally similar but not the same drug at all. Collies are genetically unable to take ivermectin - it will kill them - but they can use the Revolution.

I would use 2-3 drops only of the Revolution. Recap it (the cap has a sharp prong in it the pierces the top of the tube at the first use, and if you recap and poke that little prong down into the tube it does a good job of sealing it in case you need to use a second dose in 30 days. I tape my open tubes to the inside of my refrigerator door so they stay in an even temp and remain upright.

[Centerline]

OK. I will apply the Revolution this afternoon. A bit of humor, or at least I think so. I usually get my mother to come and help with the 4 hand operations. Ashley knows that when my mother is here, something is going down. She has made the association and remembers it. Thanks again to everyone for the help.

[CritterMom]

Application is between the shoulder blades - the back of the neck just down from the ears. Attack him from above so you can gently blow on the spot so as to move the fur out of the way and have the meds drop on the bare skin as much as possible.

And if you are going to have a "tell" the size of your mother you should probably put your career in poker on hold...!

[LR]

My apologies. I was sitting at the vets reading a brochure on Revolution since they were going to send home a couple of doses when we left. I would have sworn it said it was ivermectin. Either way though, please be careful to get only the recommended dose on her. Ruby weighed 320g at the vets and her dose is .1ml from a syringe.

[CritterMom]

My apologies. I was sitting at the vets reading a brochure on Revolution since they were going to send home a couple of doses when we left. I would have sworn it said it was ivermectin. Either way though, please be careful to get only the recommended dose on her. Ruby weighed 320g at the vets and her dose is .1ml from a syringe.

I suspect one of the reasons they developed it was the collie thing. It is a huge deal - a dog with just a bit of collie blood will be affected as well. It is one of the meds that is given to horses on a prescribed, regular basis and one of the boarders at the stable I used to ride at and keep my horse had a collie, and we had to keep the stuff locked up - literally - to make sure nobody made a mistake and left it laying around.

If I am correct, what most of us get, from Joe's Pet Meds, is branded as "Stronghold" rather than "Revolution" and hails from Australia. If I am also correct, the Stronghold is a teeny bit WEAKER in strength than our Revolution is, something they make up for by adding a bit more to the applicator, which are intended to be single use. I swear I read this...**

**Just checked Joes site and they say both are the same strength... Ignore that last part.

[Centerline]

Ha! That's not what I meant. I mean that when my mother is here, Ashley makes herself scarce because she knows she's going to get immobilized and there will be an application of some sort of treatment. I catch and hold Ashley and my mother applies the treatments.

[Diggie's Friend]

(See Attachment)

This document is a wildlife rehabbing source for the use of Milk Thistle Seed extract.
Depending on body wt. Milk Thistle seed Extract can be given to counter the effects of toxins, pesticides, etc. Yet since you dont know what the causes is presently I wouldn't add as many drops per gram of body wt, but about half the amount instead. For example, based on the wt. a squirrel of 650 g. wt. would be 6 drops, yet I would give 3 instead. If the squirrel was diagnosed by a veterinarian then I would give the full dosage noted by wt.

This source has been used in a squirrel diet for maintainence for an E. Gray squirrel of approx. 600 g body wt. at 0.05 ml every other day. This amount is equivolent to one drop from a non needle syringe.

https://www.amazon.com/Oregons-Wild-Harvest-Thistle-Supplement/dp/B00J9MKEUG/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_4_s_it?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1511720465&sr=1-4-fkmr0&keywords=Oregon%27s+milk+Thistle+seed++elixer

[Diggie's Friend]

To avoid confusion for use for treatment, (0.1cc) is noted as equal to (1 drop) of the Milk Thistle Seed Herbal Tincture,

not (0.05) a smaller drop, that is used for maintenance added to the meal every other day.

If you can add drops to the food, instead of giving it by syringe that is stressful, then do so.

Stress can also cause hair loss.

Zinc monomethionine is very absorbable, and effective, vs. non chelated Zinc, and Zinc oxide that are not.

This source also has been used in a gray squirrel diet at the maintanence level noted above.

https://www.amazon.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Supports-Antioxidant-Protection/dp/B0001VKDDM

[Centerline]

After 6 months, Ashley is growing her hair back. Her back toes are growing some new hair. Her groin areas and belly are nicely covered. Her armpits and neck are still thin but getting much better. I conclude (but can't prove) the hair loss was due to lack of UV light. Over the last 6 months I tried all kinds of things. I started with fungus treatment (Tinactin & coconut oil). At the same time, I was trying some dietary stuff such as zinc and magnesium. After that I tried some Ivermectin. And last I tried some Revolution and I set up (1) UV lamp. After a month or so, I got another UV lamp and moved the first lamp closer to her cage. Then after some time, I got a third UV lamp and also moved lamp #2 closer to her cage. And finally, after 3 closely placed lights have had some time to take effect, we have some nice white hair growing on her underside and her back toes are almost back to normal. I saw a post today about rope. I use 1" hemp rope. I have about a 15ft run suspended about 8" below the ceiling. Ashley loves it. She runs on top of it no problem. She runs upside down under it also. And sometimes she just hangs out up there. I'm going to get her another run of rope put up to make up for being such a dead beat dad. So there you have it. UV light is very important for those house squirrels. Sunlight filtered through pane glass is not going to be sufficient.

[dextersmom]

So glad to hear. I too have a balding little girl named Agnus. Her hair felt rough ,not soft like my others. I started giving her a whole coconut. It's not only good for her teeth,but I believe the milk actually helped her hair become nice and soft, and is now growing in! A coconut is only one dollar,and we'll worth it!