I gave too much Tums- no poops

[marty]

I'm pretty sure my baby is showing signs of MBD. In my haste to get calcium into my baby, I think i gave him too much liquified Tums. I gave him 1cc of the 1000mg tums. He's only 5 weeks old.
He hasn't pooped all day.
Help, Please

[stepnstone]

I'm pretty sure my baby is showing signs of MBD. In my haste to get calcium into my baby, I think i gave him too much liquified Tums. I gave him 1cc of the 1000mg tums. He's only 5 weeks old.
He hasn't pooped all day.
Help, Please
Hydrate to get him moving, watch for bloat/constipation.
Too much calcium can be just as bad as too little, administering it properly is just as important.
This is why there is a proper protocol in place for mbd and should be followed as directed.

What makes you think a 5 week old would have mbd, what have you been feeding him?

[UDoWhat]

I'm pretty sure my baby is showing signs of MBD. In my haste to get calcium into my baby, I think i gave him too much liquified Tums. I gave him 1cc of the 1000mg tums. He's only 5 weeks old.
He hasn't pooped all day.
Help, Please

Hold on .... The unused calcium that is not used in his body will he pooped out.... when he starts to poop that is. I will tell you what to do. Fist, how much does your baby weigh? At five weeks old he should still be on formula so it would be completely impossible for him to get MBD. Unless he is on the wrong formula. What formula is he on? Why did you think he might have MBD ? At 5 weeks he should still be on formula at least 4 to 5 times a day. He doesn't need any night feedings now. If he isn't on formula at least four times a day then he needs to get right back on it ASAP. If he's been off of the formula how long has he been off ?

To start to flush the tums and extra calcium out of his system you need to give him a certain amount of water with honey or syrup for flavor mixed in. The amount of water every 2 hours is based on his weight so I to have a weight on him so I can tell you how many CCs to give him ! 1 cc, 2cc, 3 cc or how many ever he needs based on his weight. I would start with 2cc but he may need more or less based on his weight.


Step, just what I am thinking. Water water water and Is he on formula??

[UDoWhat]

I'm pretty sure my baby is showing signs of MBD. In my haste to get calcium into my baby, I think i gave him too much liquified Tums. I gave him 1cc of the 1000mg tums. He's only 5 weeks old.
He hasn't pooped all day.
Help, Please

More than likely this baby has broken legs or sprained legs . Not MBD. He is too young for that unless you don't have him on formula. Or the wrong formula. Please post a picture and answer the questions that I asked in the last post so we can help you with this baby. If his legs are broken he will need something for pain we can help you dose that. Do not try to do it yourself. He doesn't need to be overdosed on anything else.

[stepnstone]

Message to marty. You have to date 3 seperate forums with different scenarios relating to this same squirrel.
Those who are trying to help you are totally confused trying to understand what has happened and what is happening with this baby.
You need to keep all your concerns in one place and quit creating new forums when relating to the same baby as you have with this one.
Everything you have related in each of those forums is vital information combined that would help members trying to help you to try and fully
understand what is happening to this squirrel.
Answers to questions asked in those forums have also been left unanswered.
These are the forums listed from first to last;
https://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?58581-Aspirated-a-little-formula-sneezy-should-I-go-ahead-and-start-antibiotics
https://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?58762-A-little-gimpy&p=1238309&highlight=#post1238309
https://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?58789-I-gave-too-much-Tums-no-poops&p=1238468&highlight=#post1238468
These were your initial posting;

Hello- I'm new here to squirrel board.
Am trying to save an Irma orphan of approx 5 weeks. Was doing great until this morning. I must have fed too quickly, he got some formula in his nose. Sneezed a lot. No clicking as of yet- (I'm unable to view the pneumonia video).
Should I go ahead and administer antibiotics? I don't have any on hand, so I'm going searching in small town. Will fish Cipro , or Fish amoxicillon work? Trying not to panic, but I know that they slip downhill so quickly....
THANKS, marty

My Irma foundling opened his eyes Monday , and now heseems to be growing by leaps and bounds! One problem, his right leg is not as mobile as his left. The problem appears to be at his hip joint. After reading last weeks' post"what happened to my. Baby?", I'm really worried that this might be a nutrition issue. He's been fed Vetoquinol Care Pro Biolac for puppies and heavy cream. How do I help him build up ability to use right leg/hip?

I'm pretty sure my baby is showing signs of MBD. In my haste to get calcium into my baby, I think i gave him too much liquified Tums. I gave him 1cc of the 1000mg tums. He's only 5 weeks old.
He hasn't pooped all day.
Help, Please

[Nancy in New York]

This member posted in the emergency thread at 9:23 and immediately went off board.
Sorry to all you dedicated members who are so urgently trying to help her
and waiting patiently for answers.

marty if you look at your other posts you SEE that you are always answered
quickly.

First thread you made you were answered in 6 minutes, and you gave no answers back to the questions
that were asked to you.

Second thread you made you were answered in 1 minute, 6 hours later you respond.

Third thread you made you were answered in 25 minutes, and still no response back.

Please stay on the board when you ask questions, and refresh your screen so you can see
when you get a response.
We are trying to save a precious life.
Please don't leave immediately after asking for help and PLEASE answer the question.

[marty]

Hydrate to get him moving, watch for bloat/constipation.
Too much calcium can be just as bad as too little, administering it properly is just as important.
This is why there is a proper protocol in place for mbd and should be followed as directed.

What makes you think a 5 week old would have mbd, what have you been feeding him?

His right foot wasn't functioning as well as his left. By the next day, or even that evening, his right arm was also less functioning. By the next day, his left leg wasn't doing as well. That was my assumption, MBD. I was frantic, and he liked the tums, so I let him have the whole 1cc. I immediately regretted my knee-jerk actions. It has been approx 12 hours, and no know poop.
By the way, he has been on fox valley for 2 days now. He was on a puppy milk that I got from the vets offiice (Vetroquinol- Pro- Biolac)and you recommended I get him on fox valley asap.

He weighs 89g

So, I should not give him any formula until he poops? Just water?

Nancy and Step: I apologize for starting threads. I have always read all responses, but I have difficulty figuring out how to use the board correctly. I will improve- work more diligently. Please understand/ I SO appreciate your advice -and knowing you all are there to help out, even in the wee hours.

[marty]

[QUOTE=marty;1238509]His right foot wasn't functioning as well as his left. By the next day, or even that evening, his right arm was also less functioning. By the next day, his left leg wasn't doing as well. That was my assumption, MBD. I was frantic, and he liked the tums, so I let him have the whole 1cc. I immediately regretted my knee-jerk actions. It has been approx 12 hours, and no know poop.
By the way, he has been on fox valley for 2 days now. He was on a puppy milk that I got from the vets offiice (Vetroquinol- Pro- Biolac)and you recommended I get him on fox valley asap.

He weighs 89g

So, I should not give him any formula until he poops? Just water?

Nancy and Step: I apologize for starting threads. I have always read all responses, but I have difficulty figuring out how to use the board correctly. I will improve- work more diligently. Please understand/ I SO appreciate your advice -and knowing you all are there to help out, even in the wee hours.

Also, I don't have a clue of how to send a picture. I'll have to wait and have one of my children send one. UDoWhat asked for one.

[marty]

I'll try to answer the questions from UDoWhat:
He weighs 89g.
He gets fed every 4-5 hours.
He has been on fox valley 20/50 for 2-3 days now.
He will eat anywhere from 2.5cc-5cc /feeding .
He's in a little critter keeper , halfway on a heating pad on low(does not shut off).
He opened his eyes Sept 25 or 26(a week ago).
I am at home all day, so I can meet his schedule.
He has Henry's blocks in his little kennel.
I feed him with 1ml, and 2.5ml luer syringes, and a Miracle nipple.
He's on a dish towel that has no loops.

Thank you for all of your help. I'll be more responsive to all of you life-savers.
I do wish I could just pick up the phone and talk with someone! Technology is tricky for some of us!

[stepnstone]

Baby is approx 6 weeks old should be eating between 4.4 and 6.2 cc's each feeding keeping to the 5-7% of body weight.
He is underweight for 6 weeks age. Give him the hydration as suggested at least 2 -3 times then we can reevaluate when to
start back with formula. We wouldn't want him going too long without, hopefully the hydration will get him moving.

Stick with this one forum and add any new issues or concerns here, we can close the others and direct to this one.

[marty]

Such good news: he pooped! So I've given him formula -a little thinned out.
He's happy (so am I).,
Nancy, Step, and UDoWhat- thank you all so much!
Yes, I think I will look for a rehabber here, N E Georgia, or Ocala, Fl , where he was found.

[Nancy in New York]

marty, thank you for coming back and answering the questions.
I know it can be a daunting task when you're new to a board, and
even more so if you aren't familiar with how things work.
Perhaps this will help you a little so that you don't have to keep coming back to TSB to check
your thread.
Go to the top of the page where it says Thread tools, green arrow.
Click that on and it will bring up a drop down menu.
Select subscribe to thread, red arrow.
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It then gives you an option that says notification type, with the first option being
through my control panel only, blue arrow.
Click the down arrow a little to the right for another drop down menu, and you will
see a selection.
Click the one that says, instant notification by email.
This way you will get an email notification every time someone responds to your thread.
If you have any problems let us know.:grouphug

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[marty]

Thank you for the Tech School! I get so lost trying to navigate anything techy. The visuals help tremendously.

The baby is doing much better today. Really hungry, ate 7.5 cc of thinned formula, and I saw him holding on to a piece of the Henry's block.

What should he weigh at 6 weeks? And how often should I feed him? I'm still feeding at every 3.5- 5 hours. I base it on how much he ate the feeding before.

[Nancy in New York]

Thank you for the Tech School! I get so lost trying to navigate anything techy. The visuals help tremendously.

The baby is doing much better today. Really hungry, ate 7.5 cc of thinned formula, and I saw him holding on to a piece of the Henry's block.

What should he weigh at 6 weeks? And how often should I feed him? I'm still feeding at every 3.5- 5 hours. I base it on how much he ate the feeding before.


Oh I completely understand about the techy stuff. UGH!
A baby's weight can vary a lot. I have had little eyes closed babies at 5 weeks weigh only 100 grams and 4 others that weighed over 200 grams.
How much does your little one weigh?
We feed according to the weight of the squirrel so it's important to
know his exact weight in grams. Then they are "typically" fed 5-7% of
their body weight at each feeding.
What is the thinned formula, how much are you diluting it, and are
you feeding the Esbilac powdered puppy formula?

[stepnstone]

Such good news: he pooped! So I've given him formula -a little thinned out.
He's happy (so am I).,
Nancy, Step, and UDoWhat- thank you all so much!
Yes, I think I will look for a rehabber here, N E Georgia, or Ocala, Fl , where he was found.

Yea for poops!:dance
Id suggest only a feeding or two of diluted formula and then go to full strength 2-1.
Be very careful about selecting a rehabber if you do, if he were to go to a facility being compromised
as he is he would be euthanized regardless of what they may tell you. Some facility's will euthanize
just based on the fact that you (the public) has had him in their care.

[Mel1959]

Could trauma to the spinal cord affect the mobility of this little guys arms and legs? Would some type of anti-inflammatory help? Preferably a steroid. It seems odd that's its progressively causing problems with limbs. Like perhaps additional swelling is the reason.

[Nancy in New York]

marty, please go to your other 2 threads to read some of the feedback that you may have missed.
I've closed those threads and made a notation to comment only in this thread.
I "could" combine the threads into this one, but I fear that would be way too confusing. :)

https://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?58581-Aspirated-a-little-formula-sneezy-should-I-go-ahead-and-start-antibiotics&highlight=
https://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?58762-A-little-gimpy

[marty]

Mel:I was thinking the same about the spinal cord. it just seemed progressive, and I would like to stop that progression. I wonder about the steroid idea, but I know of no exotic pet vets nearby. There is one country doctor that would probably prescribe anything I asked him for, but as far as dosage, i wouldn't know. What about ibuprofen for an antiinflammatory?

Nancy:He is currently 89 g.
He is currently on Fox Valley 20/50, but for most of his life ( up until 3-4 days ago) he was on (the inadequate) Vetroquinol Pro-Biolac. I thin it with water, I eyeball it. He'll go back on full strength next feeding.

Step:Also, thank you so much for the head's up about the rehabbers. Even if he has some issues, assuming they don't get dramatically worse, he should not be euthanized! He's a gem, a trooper!

[Nancy in New York]

Mel:I was thinking the same about the spinal cord. it just seemed progressive, and I would like to stop that progression. I wonder about the steroid idea, but I know of no exotic pet vets nearby. There is one country doctor that would probably prescribe anything I asked him for, but as far as dosage, i wouldn't know. What about ibuprofen for an antiinflammatory?

Nancy:He is currently 89 g.
He is currently on Fox Valley 20/50, but for most of his life ( up until 3-4 days ago) he was on (the inadequate) Vetroquinol Pro-Biolac. I thin it with water, I eyeball it. He'll go back on full strength next feeding.

Step:Also, thank you so much for the head's up about the rehabbers. Even if he has some issues, assuming they don't get dramatically worse, he should not be euthanized! He's a gem, a trooper!

OK he could be eating between 4.5 - 6.3 per feeding. That is only a rule of thumb for now.
What amount are you feeding now?
If you up the amount, do so slowly. You want his tummy to feel like an inflated balloon, but NOT hard.
I will be off board most of the morning to early afternoon.

[stepnstone]

Mel:I was thinking the same about the spinal cord. it just seemed progressive, and I would like to stop that progression. I wonder about the steroid idea, but I know of no exotic pet vets nearby. There is one country doctor that would probably prescribe anything I asked him for, but as far as dosage, i wouldn't know. What about ibuprofen for an antiinflammatory?

Predisone would be the ideal medication, any chance of obtaining that?
We can instruct how to break down and dose this as well.
Infant Ibuprofen can also be used. (Predisone is better for condition)

I too have to step out but will be back as soon as I can and will check in.
Let me know what you come up with and we'll dose it for you.

Good thinking Mel! :great

[UDoWhat]

Yea for poops!:dance
Id suggest only a feeding or two of diluted formula and then go to full strength 2-1.
Be very careful about selecting a rehabber if you do, if he were to go to a facility being compromised
as he is he would be euthanized regardless of what they may tell you. Some facility's will euthanize
just based on the fact that you (the public) has had him in their care.


Hi Marty, I see you are getting great information. I wanted to tell you the information today that Stepnstone posted above but I have been at work all day and I am so glad you are getting good advice. I hope you have already started to feed your baby full strength formula by now as suggested by Stepnstone. Full strength formula is made by mixing 1 measured scoop of powder formula with 2 scoops of the same measured scoops of water. Remember to feed the formula warm.

Also I am glad that Stepnstone cautioned you about taking your baby to a Center or rehabber. If he is not releasable they will euthanize him. If you want, we may be able to help you find someone from TSB (this forum) that is near you to look at him and help you if you needed help. I think since you are getting great advice you may be best to take care of him.

I will read through your thread. If you have any questions be sure to ask them. We are here to help you and your baby. :Love_Icon You are doing great!

[marty]

I apologize for late responding . Traveling today. He travels really well. Ate 7cc at 2 of his feedings, and pooping well.
Will be at the vets tomorrow to get , hopefully, prednisone.
Will keep you posted.
Thank you.

[UDoWhat]

I apologize for late responding . Traveling today. He travels really well. Ate 7cc at 2 of his feedings, and pooping well.
Will be at the vets tomorrow to get , hopefully, prednisone.
Will keep you posted.
Thank you.

Thanks Marty!! I will say it again.... You are doing great!! :w00t

Can't wait to hear the update after you see the Vet. Thank you for caring for this little baby:Love_Icon


My name is Marty too. :grin2

[marty]

The vet was not an exotic pet, really a country doctor, so I pretty much had to tell him what I wanted. He did not think my baby's mobility looked severe enough to think of spinal injury. He did , however, give me some prednisone, should we decide to give it. He recommended encouraging more activity and climbing to strengthen his muscles and coordination first before attempting any medication.
I must say, he does look better today. He has really stepped up his eating game. And will try to nibble his Henry's blocks.

Either way, I now have the prednisone in case I need it.
Oh, and he also said that he showed no signs of pain.