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Surreal
10-01-2017, 12:01 AM
Hi. A week and a half ago a friend brought to me two baby squirrels he had found, since he knows I'm such an animal fanatic. The female unfortunately died a few days ago, from what I believe was aspiration pneumonia. I had contacted the only vet in town that treats exotic animals, but they said they can only treat wildlife brought in by wildlife rescues, and the wildlife rescue told me that they would be forced to euthanize my squirrels if I brought them in as they're a non-native species in Oregon (they're Eastern Fox squirrels). So, I'm unable to get my hands on any prescription medication, and couldn't save the female. The male has a little bit of noisy breathing, but he never made the classic pneumonia clicking sound, and his appetite and activity level are great.

My main concern with him is a possible abscess. I noticed him scratching several days ago, and realized that he was missing fur on the tops of both hands and underneath his tail, so I gave him a bath with Dawn dish soap and the next morning bought some Adams cat flea spray, sprayed it on my hands and then rubbed it on him. I also picked up some food grade diatomaceous earth to sprinkle in his box. His tail and right hand look a lot better, but his left arm is worse; it's missing the hair on most of the top half. And I noticed a small lump in the middle of the bald patch. I don't know if it's an abscess (he's so squirmy it's hard to get a good look at it), or if something else is going on. If it's an abscess, he'll need medication, but the only meds I have access to are some Fish Mox 250 mg amoxicillin capsules, but I have no idea how to figure out the right dosage. He weighs 130 grams and is, at best guess, about 6 weeks old. Dosage and frequency help would be greatly appreciated.

Also, he's been having diarrhea off and on, which is probably from his formula. Because I didn't know any better, up until yesterday he's been on liquid Esbilac for puppies. Yesterday in the mail I received the Fox Valley 20/50 formula that I ordered before reading on this website that powdered Esbilac is superior (or at least should be mixed 50/50). So I'll be getting some of that soon, but I'm sure the diet and diet changes are giving him diarrhea. He has a rather sore looking anus at the moment; could that be because of the diarrhea? I'm trying to keep the area clean, but he's a messy little booger who has preferred to do his business on his own for the last few days instead of waiting for me to stimulate any movements. I've applied some Neosporin (without the pain relief stuff; I know that's bad for my reptiles so I figured it might be bad for squirrels too) a few times, but is this safe to use at all? If not, how can I help his sore bum?

Sorry for being so long-winded; I just like to give as much info as possible. I'll try to attach a photo. Thanks in advance for any advice.

Surreal
10-01-2017, 11:24 AM
On second thought, he may not be out of the pneumonia woods yet. His breathing has been rather rapid (I think, as I've never had another squirrel to compare it to). And while he is super hyper when I bring him out for feeding time, the rest of the time he sleeps. And starting last night I noticed that he's just passing out right after eating. I'm really hoping someone responds soon with dosing info for amoxicillin. Or does anyone know of any way to get ahold of Baytril/Cipro? I've asked everyone I know if they have any old meds in their medicine cabinet, but no luck. I'm really worried I'm going to lose this guy too, and he's too cute to die. Help!

Nancy in New York
10-01-2017, 11:40 AM
On second thought, he may not be out of the pneumonia woods yet. His breathing has been rather rapid (I think, as I've never had another squirrel to compare it to). And while he is super hyper when I bring him out for feeding time, the rest of the time he sleeps. And starting last night I noticed that he's just passing out right after eating. I'm really hoping someone responds soon with dosing info for amoxicillin. Or does anyone know of any way to get ahold of Baytril/Cipro? I've asked everyone I know if they have any old meds in their medicine cabinet, but no luck. I'm really worried I'm going to lose this guy too, and he's too cute to die. Help!

I will dose the Amoxi 250 mg for your 130 gram squirrel.
If you think he has aspiration pneumonia this is not the choice drug.
You would need Baytril or Cipro.
If he has an AP or an abscess he will need Augmentin or Clavamox.
Does he still have a good appetite?
Can you take pictures of his leg paw.
I'm not sure what exactly I'm seeing. You mentioned hair loss on the
arm, and it's visible. Are you wiping down any formula that may get on his
fur? That will cause "milk burn" meaning that the fur comes off.
How much formula are you giving at each feeding?
What size syringes are you using.
Liquid Esbilac WILL cause diarrhea.

I really hate the thought of him being on Amoxi with diarrhea.
The cillians upset the tummies so much.
If you can hold off that would be better, but I will dose in case you really
think he needs an antibiotic.

IF you put him on this drug get a really good probiotic and give it 2 hours prior
to dosing or after dosing.

I will send you dosing now through a pm just so you have it, but can you briefly tell us why
exactly you want to start dosing. Is it for his breathing of a possible abscess.

Surreal
10-01-2017, 03:58 PM
Thank you for the response, and the dosage. I haven't started treating him yet because I didn't know how much to give. I had wanted it for that possible abscess, but now much more pressing is his turn for the worse. It sounds like he's developed pneumonia too, and is sounding like his sister did before she died (clicking noise). The fish mox is the only antibiotic that I can get my hands on. As I mentioned, the exotic vet's hands are tied due to Oregon state laws about non-native squirrels, and I don't know anyone who has some Baytril or Cipro lying around. This is so incredibly frustrating. Just a few years ago I would have been able to walk into my local fish store and buy Fish Flox, which is similar to Baytil, but even that has been pulled from retail shelves; I just happened to have the Fish Mox in my aquarium medicine cabinet. I'm going to try the amoxicillin and keep my fingers crossed, but things don't look good for this poor guy.

If he makes it through the pneumonia, I'll get better pics of his arm to post, but I'm not going to stress him with that right now. I've been feeding him 7-8 ml of formula 4-5 times a day, using 3 cc syringes. I've been giving him some Bene-bac for small animals at least once a day since the diarrhea started, but I'll start with your recommendation of 2 hours before and after. Should I be giving him Pedialyte as well?

Thanks again for your help, and any prayers on his behalf would be welcome. I can't believe how attached I've become in such a short period of time.

cava
10-01-2017, 04:09 PM
I've been giving him some Bene-bac for small animals at least once a day since the diarrhea started, but I'll start with your recommendation of 2 hours before and after.



Just to clarify, it's two hours before antibiotic dose OR two hours after the dose. Not both. Best wishes for your baby.

Surreal
10-01-2017, 04:30 PM
Sorry for the confusion; I meant that I didn't know how much to give before I made my original post. I have the dosage now, and have given it to him. And thanks for the clarification on two hours before OR after, not both. I'll give him some benebac in a few hours.

Is there a general timeline of how long until baby squirrels generally succumb to pneumonia without treatment once the clicking has started? I've found a few websites that sell Fish Flox, but it wouldn't get to me for 3-4 days. Can I assume that, if the amoxicillin in ineffective, he won't still be around by the time it got here?

Surreal
10-01-2017, 11:56 PM
Well, my sweet little boy just breathed his last labored breath. It's startling how fast pneumonia can kill. I don't think I'll ever offer to care for an orphaned squirrel again; that was way too heartbreaking. And they're so incredibly fragile. Kudos to all of you who can do this successfully. Thanks again for the advice.

stepnstone
10-02-2017, 12:19 AM
Well, my sweet little boy just breathed his last labored breath. It's startling how fast pneumonia can kill. I don't think I'll ever offer to care for an orphaned squirrel again; that was way too heartbreaking. And they're so incredibly fragile. Kudos to all of you who can do this successfully. Thanks again for the advice.
I'm sorry... :grouphug
~ Rest in peace precious baby.https://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/images/smilies/sad0121.gif

cava
10-02-2017, 09:20 AM
Yes, they are a lot of work! Thank you for trying to help. :Love_Icon