NEED HELP!

[dextersmom]

5 WEEK OLD SQUIRRELL PERSON DOES NOT KNOW THE WEIGHT OF THE SQUIRELL.SO WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO WING IT..SHE HAS A 250 CIPRO PILL SHE CRUSHED UP AND ADDED 5 TEASPOONS OF WATER AND GAVE HIM 1CC . SHE WANTS TO KNOW IF THAT WAS OK AND HOW MANY TIMES A DAY TO ADMINISTER THIS TO HIM? AND IF THERE IS ANYTHING ELSE SHE CAN DO,SHES IN A PANIC!

[redwuff]

Looking at it

[redwuff]

Ok, you overdosed baby, guesstimate wt at 125 g. by 10 times. Please flush the baby's system tonight with water. Why was the meds given. Can you get a real wt on baby?

[UDoWhat]

You have overdosed this baby by 10x. You will cause the baby to have terrible GI problems and pain. Even cause bleeding of intestines. Please do not ever guess at meds. They are a mathematically formula. No guessing. This baby can die from this dose. Do not give that amount. It should be given .1ml which is only a few drops if it weighed 125 grams. I doubt it weighs even that much. Why no scale or at least a picture for us to help dose. Dose she know how to read a syringe? .1ml is only about 3 drops not the whole syringe. Please let know not to overdose this baby again.

[dextersmom]

she mixed the 250mg with 5 teaspoons of water. 1ml was still to much? even diluted?

[dextersmom]

she stated she fed him yesterday and he aspirated. Today,he was lethargic and his head underneath him in a sitting position.She heard a clicking,he had very little but it was yellow liquid bowel movement. I thought it might have been from her still giving him heavy cream,but she was more concerned with his position,and his clicking.

[redwuff]

Yeah, whoever figured this out must have been guessing. You don't even have a wt on this baby and your questioning whether I'm right. You don't know the dosage that is needed to give Cipro. I do not even know why something like this is asked AFTER med is given?

Was the baby warmed first? Was the baby hydrated before giving it formula? Was the baby properly transitioned onto the correct formula? Is the finder using the correct feeding aperatus while feeding the correct formula? If these are all answered with a yes then I will only take slight offense at the asking if the checking on the meds was correct.

[redwuff]

she mixed the 250mg with 5 teaspoons of water. 1ml was still to much? even diluted?

Are you saying 1 ml or 0.1.? You can't dose anything without a wt. if this baby is 125g, 0.1ml is correct for your dilution. If you dosed it at 1.0ml you overdosed it by ten (10) times the amount given

[UDoWhat]

she mixed the 250mg with 5 teaspoons of water. 1ml was still to much? even diluted?

Yes .... She diluted it enough she just gave about 10 x too much. I have been a rehabilitator for 18 years. I have taken many classes on dosing and administration of drugs. She overdosed the baby !!!! I am really sad that this baby is in this kind of shape. She has overdosed him, given him aspiration pneumonia, and given him terrible diarrhea. He can't take much more. Please tell her to join this board and let us help her. He will die if she doesn't get help ASAP. What is she feeding him? How much is she feeding? How many times a day? She probably is overfeeding him that is the cause of the diarrhea. She can't know how much to feed him or give meds without knowing how much he weighs. Feeding is based on 5-7 % of weight. Meds are all dosed differently according to weight and strength of meds. Please get help before this poor little baby has to die because she would not get help or the supplies she needs.
I am sorry little baby. :Love_Icon

[dextersmom]

Redwuff:There is No need to get all snippy! I received a call from this woman and this is what she did. I reached out for some assistance for I did not know what to do after the fact. Please do not respond to me or Anyone with an attitude! We are here to help each other,not talk down to one another. Now as far as this woman is concerned,she is a nurse and unfortionatly took this matter into her own hands. She seems to love this little guy and will be staying up all night hydrating him. If anyone else has some suggestions that would be great,again,we are here for each other....

[dextersmom]

She is going to give the baby to me tomorrow. I will listen to hear if he is clicking. I will continue to hydrate him. I too am a rehabilitator,but still might need you guys to guide me through this overdose. Hopefully he makes it through the night! I will keep you updated..

[redwuff]

Dextersmom. You knew the urgency of this situation by the way you wrote it out. You are right, I did respond with an attitude, but it was not one of 'snippiness', it was more of frustration, anger and heartbreak. And those feelings weren't because the finder aspirated the baby, that is a very easy thing to do. We all do it. But it was because this person gave a baby a very powerful drug and then asked how to do it afterwards. My anger and frustration and heartbreak is from the stuuuuupid factor. And often these babies pay for that with their life, often an agonizing death. We just lost one last week like that. A finder guessed that her baby needed extra calcium, so she gave her baby a 500 mg tablet of emergency-c. VITAMIN C! Yeah! I bet that was a fun death.

It does not help this finders stupid factor to know that she is in a health care field that should know the dangers of giving meds without adequate knowledge. I am glad that she knew the baby was in danger and needed meds. Great, take one more step and find out how to administer them properly.

I cannot understand why you would dress me down when I sprang into action for you. You sent an urgent request at 11 pm. I dropped what I was doing, researched your stiuation, and sent you an answer as quick as I could. Where is the appreciation? Go look at other threads where there is not a stupid factor, might be someone seeking help that has no experience, but that is not stupid at all. I give out my number , I send supplies, meds, help out in any way I can. I've traveled many mile to get babies that are in dire conditions. Please do not tell me about an attitude, cos when I see stupid, I call it.

My suggestion to you is that you donate some time and your experience to this board, help some people with their babies. You will meet some marvelous folks and then their will be the stupid factor folks. Spend some time here, have your heart broken over and over again, some times it is just too late and the baby is too far gone to be helped, and sometime because of very bad decisions that have been made by the finder. There has been more than a few times that I have been devastated by outcomes or the meanness of people. Please put your self in this situation that babies lives depend on the information that you give the finders. I'm writing a book and and don't mean to. Let me end this. I ask you not to be so quick to judge the people on the helping side of this board. Thank you.

[island rehabber]

redwuff you have nothing to apologize for! The stupid factor, indeed, is what angers us all here -- and you are one of the most patient, helpful people on this Board. The individual to be angry at is Nurse Careless who overdosed the baby.....

Praying that hydration will flush the Cipro out of this baby's system because he definitely got a 10x overdose. I wonder if a bit of probiotics, like some acidophilus for example, might help counteract the effect of too much antibiotic.....anyone else think so?

[TubeDriver]

I think this has been a tough week for the TSB, I have seen thread after thread where a baby or older squirrel has died.:( I know that rehabbers like Redwuff, often with many squirrel babies as well as jobs, still make the time to calculate dosages, offer experienced help often while on lunch break or late at night. Sometimes in emergencies, expertise is offered and some of the formal niceties are left out.

Dextersmom, in emergencies, frustrations can show and the limitation of communicating through text can surface. I hope you get this baby and can save it. The TSB will be here to support and help you.

Redwuff does not really need anyone to speak up for her because her dedication to rehabbing and her expertise as well as her kind nature are well known by the local rehabbing community as well as in the larger online sphere here at the TSB. But I'll say it anyway, anyone with a squirrel in need is lucky if Redwuff is there to help!

[TubeDriver]

Probably cant hurt and might help reduce any GI symptoms. I would also watch out for seizures with an overdose of Cipro since it can lower seizure threshold. I would this baby warm, very very hydrated and focus on providing extremely quiet, dim light environment in an effort to prevent any seizures.




redwuff you have nothing to apologize for! The stupid factor, indeed, is what angers us all here -- and you are one of the most patient, helpful people on this Board. The individual to be angry at is Nurse Careless who overdosed the baby.....

Praying that hydration will flush the Cipro out of this baby's system because he definitely got a 10x overdose. I wonder if a bit of probiotics, like some acidophilus for example, might help counteract the effect of too much antibiotic.....anyone else think so?

[dextersmom]

I got him,and he is Adorable..She was wrong about his age,hes only 3 weeks old,so the overdose was more than we thought...First thing I had done was force water,weter,and water into him every 45 minutes. Than after 2 hours later I gave him Esbilac,and he couldnt get enough! He is jumping on my shoulder. Hes a strong one,with a baby face.He is sleeping now,and I am monitering him,any suggestions would be appreciated..

[redwuff]

3 week olds don't jump on shoulders. He might be older than you think. Hope he does well.

[mel_la_fee]

Any updates? I think probiotics are definitely in order. Digesting formula will likely be difficult for him now and we definitely don't want gi issues on top of/ after everything he's been through.

[KarmaKay]

she mixed the 250mg with 5 teaspoons of water. 1ml was still to much? even diluted?yes!!!

[KarmaKay]

Wow, this is a terrible situation! I know that redwolf has helped me! I thought to myself no 3 week old baby jumps like the person is describing. I just want to say that all of the people here really care and devote their, time, resources, and patience to helping novice people like myself and many others. I appreciate all of you here on the board! :Love_Icon:grouphug

[KarmaKay]

What about a small amount of activated charcoal? They use it in human overdose patients. Is it compatible in squirrels

[redwuff]

Wish we knew how the baby is doing. Hope all is well.

[UDoWhat]

What about a small amount of activated charcoal? They use it in human overdose patients. Is it compatible in squirrels

Yes but it needs to be administered as soon as possible after ingestion of the overdose. It would not be as effective if given too long after ingestion.

[cava]

I think it should be noted that dextersmom is taking an overdosed baby into her care and trying (by being here on the board) to give it the support it needs.

If we can put previous thread issues behind us the board could be a life saver for baby.

Dextersmom, can you please post a photo so his age can be determined and a today's weight would also help.

Not only that, it is needed to consider fluid replacement, how much is safe to continue to flush his system, etc.

Thank you for stepping on top of Nurse Dumb Dumb and caring for baby. Please let's get photos and weight so we can get baby better.

[dextersmom]

He is doing ok. I have been giving him water,formula,water,formula,hes urinating with a loose yellow to clear stool. I just received 3 more babies the same age as him. They killed their mother and this lady brought me the babies. She was a complete mororn. She actually called to have them removed from her Gutters. Now who even cares about their gutters. So they came and removed the mother,she got my number called me and came over with these babies. When I told they killed the mother. She was in shock..What did she think? She removed the babies and had them take the mother. Now this gets me mad. Any how, thanks everyone and I will keep you posted!

[UDoWhat]

Please keep us posted on these three precious little ones. :Love_Icon:Love_Icon:Love_Icon I just don't understand .....:boohoo

[KarmaKay]

Praying for all your babies

[dextersmom]

Just want to let everyone know the baby is out of the woods. Hes doing Great! its 4:00 in the morning and he drank up all his formula and more..Funny thing,I received 3 more babies the same day I got him,they were the same age,maybe a few days older. All 3 would cuddle together while the overdosed baby would sleep alone with his stuffed bear. I said "oh,he has to sleep in my bed with me" This morning they were all huddled together...Yeah!

[TubeDriver]

So glad you little singleton is feeling better and has some new siblings to grow up with! Great job!:great

[Jen413]

That's awesome! So glad he's doing well.