Pneumonia in runt of litter HELP!

[Mommas Munchkins]

I cant get the video to play that has been posted in here about pneumonia but Im almost positive my baby girl has it. and am trying to determine if my little baby the runt of the group has pneumonia, I heard her start making a clicking noise that has cont. almost every breath I have no vet out here willing to write baytril, and I am waiting to hear back from my doc if they will call in Cipro for me. I have Cefuroxime Axetil 500mg generic for Ceftin on hand as of right now from back when I myself had pnuemonia. Will this work for her.. She has cont. to eat normal no drop in her wanting to eat as well as use the potty and doesn't seem to be experience any symptoms of pneumonia besides the clicking sound. Please help that should I do or try? Is there a direct link to the video when I click on it it doesn't play. Also should I be keeping her away from the other babies if she does in fact have pneumonia?

[TubeDriver]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljcBeDifI40

Listen about 12 seconds into this video and you will hear the constant clicking of aspiration pneumonia. Cipro would be best, but I think what you have could also work? Not sure, I need to get home to check my WBM Guide. Maybe someone else here will know for sure?

[Mommas Munchkins]

Thank You for the video I am positive now that she has pneumonia. I took a video of her in my hand of the sound she is making and it is getting worse. I was going to upload it to here for yall to listen but For some reason it isnt going to let me upload the video I cant get it configure to jpeg or any of the other formats needed to upload. I took of the noise she is making any idea why.? I'm hoping what I have on hand will work as I still havent heard back from the doc for cipro. My doc is now closed and they never sent my cipro Im getting scared for my baby.. she is the runt and has already been having a hard time keeping up with the others weight wise she is currently eating formula and nibbling on the rodent block but I don't want this to change as Im just now getting some weight on her. She is now also on the FV formula for 4weeks and up. Someone please let me know if what I have on hand will work and what I need to start to give her dosage wise I am determined to keep this baby girl healthy and alive like the other two.

[TubeDriver]

I can't find dosing info for this AB in my WBM manual. Can you get any Cipro, even a single leftover pill from a friend or family member? Bumping this up in case someone else knows how to dose Cefuroxime Axetil or Ceftin?

[Nancy in New York]

I can't find dosing info for this AB in my WBM manual. Can you get any Cipro, even a single leftover pill from a friend or family member? Bumping this up in case someone else knows how to dose Cefuroxime Axetil or Ceftin?

As TubeDriver said, call around to family and friends for Cipro (Human antibiotic) Baytril (animal ab.)
OR Clavamox or Augmentin.
I have never heard of the other drugs either, nor would I know if they are safe for mammals or how to dose.....sorry.
We would need a weight in grams and the strength/mg of the pill.

Where in Tennessee are you located, just the city. We may have members near you.

[Mommas Munchkins]

That is all I have as stated above.. it is 500mg pills, the baby is around 52.2 grams.

[Mommas Munchkins]

the only other meds I was able to find at home on hand are prednisone and metronidazole which I dont think either will work as they are not antibiotics.

[Mommas Munchkins]

i found online a place that doesnt require a rx to buy cipro 500mg tablets from a place called dogandcatpharm.com would this work for her if so I will try to order and have it overnighted...

[cava]

Yes, that will work. Someone can tell you how to break it down and make it usable for baby.

[TubeDriver]

As Cava said, that would work perfectly. Time is of the essence, overnight shipping is worth the added expense in cases of aspiration pneumonia ( which can kill in 24-48 hours).

[Mommas Munchkins]

tired to just order and have it overnight but they dont do overnight shipping and says takes up to two weeks to get so thats not going to work looks like im running out of time and options for my sweet baby :( noone on here can help? noone close to me who has some I will travel...

[Nancy in New York]

I sent you a pm, did you get it?

[Mommas Munchkins]

one of my friends has bactrum Im not sure if that will work for them though and I found a place that sells this type of cipro that can overnight.... I also found some who has the thomas labs fish mox forte.. is that the same thing. If it is I will go pick it up from her right now which is basically 500mg amoxicillin for fish...

[stepnstone]

one of my friends has bactrum Im not sure if that will work for them though and I found a place that sells this type of cipro that can overnight.... I also found some who has the thomas labs fish mox forte.. is that the same thing. If it is I will go pick it up from her right now which is basically 500mg amoxicillin for fish...

Go pick it up, it can be used!
FYI;
Cefuroxime Common Brand Names: Ceftin, Zinacef
CEFUROXIME is a cephalosporin antibiotic. It is used to treat certain kinds of bacterial infections.
It will not work for colds, flu, or other viral infections

It would be useless against pneumonia.

[Mommas Munchkins]

great thanks everyone so i was able to get ahold of amox 500mg as well as some cipro 500mg im guessing cipro would be best most effective? nervous on diarrhea as she is already little at a whooping 53 grams.. Also go the probiotic

[TubeDriver]

Please confirm that the Fish Flox is 500mg and not the 250mg version in that photo?

If 500mg Cipro:


Use the Cipro 500mg.

You take 1 pill and smash it into a fine powder.
Put that into a small container with a lid and add 22ml of water.
Shake this up really well before administering.
For a squirrel that weighs 53 grams the dose will be 0.02ml ONCE daily.
Keep this in the refrig and discard after 10 days.
Always shake this up REALLY well before administering.
Give probiotics 2 hours prior or after dosing any antibiotic.

You can start with a single 0.02ml dose tonight and then break it into twice daily (a morning and evening dose) doses of 0.01 ml for the next 7 days.

[Nancy in New York]

Please confirm that the Fish Flox is 500mg and not the 250mg version in that photo?

If 500mg Cipro:


Use the Cipro 500mg.

You take 1 pill and smash it into a fine powder.
Put that into a small container with a lid and add 22ml of water.
Shake this up really well before administering.
For a squirrel that weighs 53 grams the dose will be 0.02ml ONCE daily.
Keep this in the refrig and discard after 10 days.
Always shake this up REALLY well before administering.
Give probiotics 2 hours prior or after dosing any antibiotic.

You can start with a single 0.02ml dose tonight and then break it into twice daily (a morning and evening dose) doses of 0.01 ml for the next 7 days.

OMG Pete I just wrote almost this exact same thing in a pm to her. :highfive

Remember to add 22 mLs of water, not the 10 mLs used for the Amoxi.

[Mommas Munchkins]

Thank you everyone I mixed the 500mg cipro to 22ml warm water shook till dissolved and drew up the 0.02ml I just gave to her after her 6cc dinner and she didnt like it but i was able to get her to take it. Will stay up another 2hr just to make sure my baby gets the probiotic. I am going to worry about her all night so wont get much sleep. Thanks everyone pray for no diarrhea or problems she cant afford to loss any more weight or have any more issues. Hoping she will sound better in the morning.

[redwuff]

Never had any tummy problems with babies on Cipro/ Baytril. How is she today?:grouphug

[Mommas Munchkins]

She sounds the same not much improvement but I didn't give her the first Med dose till late last night around ten pm next dose is this morning at 10 am about how long until I should see an improvement? She's still pawing pooping and eating ok

[Nancy in New York]

She sounds the same not much improvement but I didn't give her the first Med dose till late last night around ten pm next dose is this morning at 10 am about how long until I should see an improvement? She's still pawing pooping and eating ok

Cipro is pretty quick.
I would suspect that by late afternoon you should
see/hear some difference.

[Mommas Munchkins]

I meant to say peeing ok.. She only ate about 2cc she usually takes 3-6 is this because of the meds?

[TubeDriver]

Sometimes they may not eat as much but in general you should see regular feedings. Cipro should start working in 24-48 hours but keep using it for 7 days. It usually does not cause lots of GI issues. Keep her well hydrated, you can syringe her a little extra warm water (~2ml) between feedings if she will take it.



I meant to say peeing ok.. She only ate about 2cc she usually takes 3-6 is this because of the meds?

[Mommas Munchkins]

Ok great she ate about 3 at 11am and when I give her the probiotic i usually put it in her formula but should I do the warm water instated to hydrate.. or just in between if she takes it do just the warm water. I added a little extra heat by putting a rice sock in there as well. I have been using bottle water for them in there formula or her meds that is ok correct.? Whats the best way to give her the med such a little amount want to make sure she takes it all I have just been using a syringe with a nipple. She doesn't want to take the med at all but I do my best to get her to open her mouth the slowly push it in.. just nervous and what to be doing everything correct. The other two are totally fine she just concerns me.

[cava]

Just give her meds in a 1 ml syringe with no nipple, so it doesn't get lost in the length of the nipple. I use tap water with no problems. I mean, they drink from garbage can lids in the wild. :grin2

I give them meds and probiotics separate from the formula so you can precisely see how much baby is getting.

[Mommas Munchkins]

The only thing with not using my nipple is that my syringe has a twist end on it so there is no tip also they are 3cc not 1cc.. I can still try that way but she doesn't want to put in mouth. She seems a little less energy today as well but is still eating and was able to get her to take 1.5cc of warm water. Im really hoping to see some improvement this evening or in the morning she's scaring me and with her being the littlest of them all makes me even more worried she is roughly up now to 55grams while the other two are well 74, 62 grams they all cont. to gain weight and eat other two healthy and are getting a little more active and eating the rodent blocks the little girl has tried the rodent block maybe once or twice. Keeping her warm and hydrated and will cont. with what you all have given me and pray she pulls through. Thank You guys.

[lennysmom]

It would be much easier with a 1cc syringe. When I found my first baby, I went to the pharmacy and asked for syringes to feed my baby "kitten" and they were able to provide a few 1cc syringes for me. Perhaps you could try that.
Praying for your little girly to pull through this.:Love_Icon:grouphug

[cava]

A month ago I called Walmart to see if I could have some oral 1 ml syringes for some kitten medication and they were happy to help. 1 ml syringe has teeny tiny markings that make giving doses like 0.02 ml easy and accurate. Also, it's the perfect size to fit into baby squirrel mouth.

Can you call Walmart or your local pharmacy and ask for one? Say you are syringe feeding tiny kittens and need 1 ml.

[Mommas Munchkins]

I will try to get some of the 1cc at the pharmacy when I go later this evening the 3cc has been working well for the other big healthy ones but for the little baby maybe a 1cc would be better as she tends to eat a little slower as well. I am wondering when I should try to put a few solid foods in for the bigger ones as well as water I was going to move them to a small or medium size hard pet carrier as right now they are in a big box with just things to snuggle and one or two rodent blocks. I keep a heating pad under half the box to keep them warm which really hasn't been an issue I figured they are ok for now in there till I get their weights up to the close 100 or so.. I was thinking this is when I should start putting solid in there like a grape or something.. I am going to try to upload a photo of all three of them here soon when I feed them again.

[lennysmom]

A month ago I called Walmart to see if I could have some oral 1 ml syringes for some kitten medication and they were happy to help. 1 ml syringe has teeny tiny markings that make giving doses like 0.02 ml easy and accurate. Also, it's the perfect size to fit into baby squirrel mouth.


Can you call Walmart or your local pharmacy and ask for one? Say you are syringe feeding tiny kittens and need 1 ml.
Great minds think alike Cava!:grin2:highfive

[lennysmom]

I will try to get some of the 1cc at the pharmacy when I go later this evening the 3cc has been working well for the other big healthy ones but for the little baby maybe a 1cc would be better as she tends to eat a little slower as well. I am wondering when I should try to put a few solid foods in for the bigger ones as well as water I was going to move them to a small or medium size hard pet carrier as right now they are in a big box with just things to snuggle and one or two rodent blocks. I keep a heating pad under half the box to keep them warm which really hasn't been an issue I figured they are ok for now in there till I get their weights up to the close 100 or so.. I was thinking this is when I should start putting solid in there like a grape or something.. I am going to try to upload a photo of all three of them here soon when I feed them again.

I keep mine on formula for as long as they will take it since I know for certain they are getting the nutrition they need while on it and I let them wean themselves. When they get to weaning age, the first solid food you need to introduce to them is a good quality block and I place it in the bin with them. Then once they are eating that well, you can slowly start introducing healthy veggies one at a time. Here is a link to the healthly diet chart for squirrels.
https://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?44440-Healthy-Diet-for-Pet-Squirrels

[Mommas Munchkins]

Great thats what I figured they could stay on the FV for awhile especially since they are all a little behind weight wise for ones there age. Will upload photo later so you guys can see them and let me know what y'all think I think they are pretty good size healthy besides the little one. I try not to handle her or her siblings at all other then feeding time and potty time, to hopefully not stress her out anymore and she can improve I leave them also in a spare room where noone goes into. I thought I was doing everything right and all was ok until this happend Im praying by tonights last feeding and in the Am to hopefully not hear the clicking but so far still the same but I know it will take some time and I will continue to worry and check on her she is a fighter she can do this. I hold she pulls through I dont want to let her siblings down and her pass on us but she seems stable. Thanks to you guys without you guys I don't know that she would have still been with me today. You all are gods angels!

[Nancy in New York]

I try not to handle her or her siblings at all other then feeding time and potty time, to hopefully not stress her out anymore and she can improve I leave them also in a spare room where noone goes into. I thought I was doing everything right and all was ok until this happend Im praying by tonights last feeding and in the Am to hopefully not hear the clicking but so far still the same but I know it will take some time and I will continue to worry and check on her she is a fighter she can do this. I hold she pulls through I dont want to let her siblings down and her pass on us but she seems stable. Thanks to you guys without you guys I don't know that she would have still been with me today. You all are gods angels!

I have no other animals and no kids living home.
I always keep my little ones on the stove in a bin with no top,
and heating pads under half the containers.

I do this so that every single time I walk by the bins,
I can touch them and reassure them just like Mom
would be doing. She comes and goes out of the nest quite a few
times during the day.

There is just something that I feel is reassuring about touching them and holding them.

I also put little stuffies in with them. I actually put the stuffies ON top
of them at night, so they "might" feel like Mom is there with them. I know I'm crazy. :)

Touch them and love on them, they would get that from Mom, they need it.

Here's where my babies always are, if I get too many they start getting lined
up on the kitchen table, or down the walls, and in front of the sliding door. :)

Who cares if we have to eat dinner standing? :dono :grin

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-2k78JDb/0/c6da17bc/M/i-2k78JDb-M.jpg......https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-chM2Nbv/0/1516200c/S/i-chM2Nbv-S.jpg

[Mommas Munchkins]

We have three dogs and a cat so I keep our babies well away from them up off the ground and a place the dog and cat go unless they start opening doors lol, I go in throughout the day and touch them and snuggle them. I swear i noticed when I hold the sick girl she sometimes stops clicking or maybe I am just going crazy... I usually a night wrap them up in a old clean of course cow costume that I used to put on my cat or the sleep in a old fleece puppy shirt inside a flannel pillowcase they seem to love it they snuggle up on the fleece I think it reminds them of there mommy a little. When I move them to my little pet carrier from the box i will put some stuffies in with them. I don't think its a law or rule that you must sit to eat lol I love it!:grin3 I cant wait to show my husband this would so be our house if I came across any injured animal we have had all kinds of critters come and go lol I was also able to get kroger to give me some 1cc syringes ill grab those tonight.

[Mommas Munchkins]

Ok here are some pics the first two are of the sick baby she is in the bottom of the pic with all three of them she is clearly the skinny one , and snuggled in the towel, The other pics are of the two bigger babies one girl one boy. Girl is on my shoulder and the boy balancing on the towel Let me know what you guys think how they look if need to take better pics can. Little girl only ate about 1cc this feeding, energy not as good as yesterday, and she just wants to keep putting her head down still clicking away but possibly a little quitter. I wish I could upload the video of her clicking for you all to hear but wont let me says wrong format. Sorry to keep bugging everyone but thank you so very much

[Mommas Munchkins]

Baby girl is suppose to eat at 9 and not get her med again until 11 can i feed at 9 and give probiotic at 9 then meds at 11 will that be ok usually I give probiotic 2 hrs before then feed and med right after..Also now that I have the 1cc when giving her med it will be 0.01 will be the first line on the syringe Im pretty sure but just clarifying

[Nancy in New York]

Baby girl is suppose to eat at 9 and not get her med again until 11 can i feed at 9 and give probiotic at 9 then meds at 11 will that be ok usually I give probiotic 2 hrs before then feed and med right after..Also now that I have the 1cc when giving her med it will be 0.01 will be the first line on the syringe Im pretty sure but just clarifying

Absolutely.
I'm still looking at the pictures. :)

[Mommas Munchkins]

I will take more pics as they cont. to grow. I have noticed little one has been climbing up on my shoulder and sleeping either there or behind my neck i feel like she is comforted there and she knows she's sick and getting better i feel like now instead of a constant click like a pen its a slower click,click. I know I am suppose to give probiotic again but that would be at 1am will she be ok without it after last med dose tonight.. I feel like I have to ask all these questions now i feel less confident in myself since she has gotten sick.

[Nancy in New York]

Baby girl is suppose to eat at 9 and not get her med again until 11 can i feed at 9 and give probiotic at 9 then meds at 11 will that be ok usually I give probiotic 2 hrs before then feed and med right after..Also now that I have the 1cc when giving her med it will be 0.01 will be the first line on the syringe Im pretty sure but just clarifying


Here's where the dose should be, just to be extra sure. :thumbsup
It's about 1 drop. I think I saw this suggested earlier and it's really a great suggestion.
Take the nipple off they syringe when dosing. This is such a tiny amount, she won't get it all
if there's a nipple on the syringe. OK?

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-zBbG2Gg/0/4d7914c1/O/i-zBbG2Gg.jpg

[Nancy in New York]

Ok great Im so glad I can read a syringe as a Medical Assistant I would be very worried for my human patients if someone told me i was wrong lol. I will take more pics as they cont. to grow. I have noticed little one has been climbing up on my shoulder and sleeping either there or behind my neck i feel like she is comforted there and she knows she's sick and getting better i feel like now instead of a constant click like a pen its a slower click,click. I know I am suppose to give probiotic again but that would be at 1am will she be ok without it after last med dose tonight.. I feel like I have to ask all these questions now i feel less confident in myself since she has gotten sick.

Yes she will be fine without the probiotic for tonight. Remember you can give it before or after.
I'm SO glad you are asking these questions. I promise you, we ALL started somewhere, and there
is NO question that hasn't been asked before.
A year from now, you'll be answering these emergencies.:w00t

[TubeDriver]

Give her probiotics 2 hours before or after dosing with Cipro. You could skip the probiotics at 1AM tonight, probably just as important that you both get good nights sleep. Just resume the probiotics tomorrow.



Ok great Im so glad I can read a syringe as a Medical Assistant I would be very worried for my human patients if someone told me i was wrong lol. I will take more pics as they cont. to grow. I have noticed little one has been climbing up on my shoulder and sleeping either there or behind my neck i feel like she is comforted there and she knows she's sick and getting better i feel like now instead of a constant click like a pen its a slower click,click. I know I am suppose to give probiotic again but that would be at 1am will she be ok without it after last med dose tonight.. I feel like I have to ask all these questions now i feel less confident in myself since she has gotten sick.

[Mommas Munchkins]

Great yes I have been giving probiotic mixed with warm water about 2ml with a half capsule probiotic 2hrs before and after the cipro except for tonight at 1am we both need some good sleep. I feel like giving the med in the 1cc with a tip on the end will be so much easier then having to use a 3cc without nipple or tip was hard but me and her are working on this together I may bring them into my bedroom and put them on my night stand tonight just so i can check on them without waking my whole house up.

[Mommas Munchkins]

Thank you so much everyone for all your help abs being so nice. When I went to give her her meds at 11pmmy baby had passed away 😭 I'm just so heartbroken and wish I could have done more. I pray I can keep these other sweet babies healthy happy and strong. 😔😢

[lennysmom]

Oh no this breaks my heart.:sadness I'm so very sorry rescuemommy and I'm sharing in your tears tonight.:boohoo I know you tried so hard to save her.:grouphug She passed in a safe place, warm and loved because you cared.:Love_Icon I pray her siblings grow up stong and healthy and live on in her memory.
Godspeed precious little one.:sad

[Nancy in New York]

I am heartbroken to read this.
Please know that you did everything possible to help this little girl.
You came for help when you saw a problem, you followed every direction
given.
Sometimes there are no answers as to why they have to leave us so soon.
It's heartbreaking and confusing, but we saw nothing to indicate that she wouldn't
make it.
There are several babies on the board that have had a "respiratory" problem and
Baytril/Cipro doesn't help. I sent you Doxy yesterday, just in case little girl was one
of them.
Unfortunately, we will never know.
Be gentle on yourself.:grouphug

[TubeDriver]

I am so sorry.:grouphug You did what we all would have done, but sometimes it is just not meant to be.


Godspeed little squirrel.

:grouphug

[Mommas Munchkins]

Thank you everyone the plus is my other two babies appear healthy and getting bigger each day ones 80.1 one is 70 I feed at 6 this morning and am wondering will they be ok till I get home this evening till three I have a longer work day today then normal

[Nancy in New York]

Thank you everyone the plus is my other two babies appear healthy and getting bigger each day ones 80.1 one is 70 I feed at 6 this morning and am wondering will they be ok till I get home this evening till three I have a longer work day today then normal

Please refresh me. What are you feeding them, and how old do you think they are?

[Mommas Munchkins]

They are roughly around 5-5.5 weeks old maybe 6wks on FV 20/50 usually eat 6-8cc each feeding, they also love to eat there rodent blocks both are this morning about 6cc and 8cc and one block each.

[Nancy in New York]

They are roughly around 5-5.5 weeks old on FV 20/50 usually eat 6-8cc each feeding, they also love to eat there rodent blocks both are this morning about 6cc and 8cc and one block each.

OK Fox Valley stays in their system longer. I would try to make up for missing feedings, somehow if you can feed a little later at night.
I can't believe they are eating so much but still such little "feather weights" I am not doubting you but this is crazy. :)
PLEASE forgive me for even asking this, but we have seen this several times on the board.
Someone will think they are feeding a certain amount when in actuality they are feeding the WRONG amount.
So you are feeding between 6-8 WHOLE syringe fulls like this, correct? What sized syringes are you using?

292945


I had 4 little ones given the wrong amount, though the finder THOUGHT he was measuring correctly, and when we saw the photo we KNEW they were being underfed.
Here they are:
https://photos.smugmug.com/Magentas-Babies/i-X77L5wC/0/d4b26e4f/S/CaptureMB-S.jpg

[Mommas Munchkins]

When I first got them for a few days when feeding them they were on escbilic without heavy cream as I wasn't sure if that was safe for them or not.. I started to notice they were staying the same size so I checked how I was mixing and the powder wasn't all that it should have been so I instantly ordered the fv and went to the store added the heavy cream and remeasured the powder and water exactly. I started to see a huge difference, once I had this fixed that have gain weight everyday. I finally yesterday have them transferred to 100% FV. I feel like maybe that's why they were so small for this age as I messed the formula up like a idiot. This is the syringe I use it if isn't complexity fully it is at least always at the 3 make on the syringe. I started out with four sweet babies in the pic below now I'm done to two :( I attached pics of the fatty ones last night but can post new ones I will reattach the ones of what they look like now

[Mommas Munchkins]

This is the one that is weighing in around 81 the two top pictures and the boy who's around 70 the bottom two pictures in the very bottom hea is the one on the top left big girl under him on the left the one who gained her wings on right

[Nancy in New York]

They really are adorable.:klunk
I'm glad you have the Fox Valley, is it the 20/50?
Yesterday I had Henry's ship you some O ring syringes and some
miracle nipples.
While the syringes you have now are good for a couple of
uses, they usually end up sticking, and we want to avoid that. :thumbsup

[Mommas Munchkins]

OMG thank you so much for doing that! Yes they are one the 20/50 FV and usually eat one rodent block each, I dobt like my syringe as they stick like you said I usually get one to two use out and then throw them away I was going to get the ones from Henry's he other day but were sold out. Thank you. How there eating is this normal since they were behind back on the 9th they were only on the 42-44s. I check there belly and when see milk line stop feeding. I feel like they eat like this so much because maybe they were so behind I weight.. I can start a new thread for these two if I need to, but just wanted to make sure they look ok not to underweight. They are so active around feeding time and love climbing on everything and peeing on me seems to be there favorite

[lennysmom]

We calculate the amount to feed by weight, feeding 5-7% of their total body weight per feeding. So for a baby weighing 81g, you would be feeding around 4cc per feeding, maybe a little more if they still seem hungry. They are just precious!:Love_Icon:klunk Yep, the active behavior and peeing on you is quite normal.:grin2 By the way, are you still stimulating them to potty before and after each feeding? At this age, they can go on their own, but that may help some with them peeing on you.:grin

[Mommas Munchkins]

Yeah that's what's I figured but when I stop them at 4cc they run around crazy looking for more average for them each feeding is close to 6 without being bloated and normal pooping. I still stimulate them before and after each time I feed them and wash there hands and face with a warm cotton ball to keep them clean. I just was wondering as to why eating so much more then average 5-7%

[Nancy in New York]

OK just throwing this out there.
Some people get the formulas confused.
Please make sure you are using the one below that says correct formula.
It can be confusing since they both are pet ag, and they BOTH say puppy milk replacer.
I know they are on FV 20/50 now, but I'm just curious why they didn't gain when you
clearly are going over the "rule of thumb" 5-7% of what to feed.

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[Mommas Munchkins]

I was using the one that's on the right with the white puppy that had the band on top that said with probiotic ext. however not anymore I threw it away and they are on just straight FV 20/50 now I at first wasn't adding heavy cream to the old formula and was using way more water then I was powder by mistake for a good week maybe, I knew something was wrong when they weren't gaining any weight and in the low 40s for there age. That's when I called Henry's Healthy Pets and they helped me and I fixed the water formula ratio and added heavy cream they then started gaining and that's what I gave them until I got the FV a few days ago today is the first day they are on straight FV 20/50. They are gaining weight now every day not going down in weight at all and I am mixing the FV exactly to the T how it say to.

[Nancy in New York]

I was using the one that's on the right with the white puppy that had the band on top that said with probiotic ext. however not anymore I threw it away and they are on just straight FV 20/50 now I at first wasn't adding heavy cream to the old formula and was using way more water then I was powder by mistake for a good week maybe, I knew something was wrong when they weren't gaining any weight and in the low 40s for there age. That's when I called Henry's Healthy Pets and they helped me and I fixed the water formula ratio and added heavy cream they then started gaining and that's what I gave them until I got the FV a few days ago today is the first day they are on straight FV 20/50. They are gaining weight now every day not going down in weight at all and I am mixing the FV exactly to the T how it say to.

OK now I understand, thanks for the explanation. I do think you mentioned this
before. So many emergencies sometimes I can't remember in whose post I read what
without going back and rereading. :shakehead
They don't come any better than Leigh, the owner of Henry's,
who I'm proud to say is a member of the board!
Thank you! :w00t

[Mommas Munchkins]

No worries it's understandable. Yes Leigh was great and so helpful. You all have been. I will continue to feed how am if you all agree if I should change please let me know I truly can't stand if I lost these last two babies so please everyone let me know thank you so much again.

[lennysmom]

You are doing a wonderful job in asking all the right questions and following good advice.:thumbsup Those two little ones are fortunate to be in the hands of someone who cares enough to do what is needed to help them thrive.:Love_Icon Its a lot to to learn when you are new to it, but you cared enough to take this on. And we are always here to answer any questions you might have.:hug

[Mommas Munchkins]

Thanks all I will continue to as instructed by you guys and hope these two babies stay strong & healthy. I will try and feed them extra slow but they are always wanting toe at fast and I make them stop and take breaks I will keep an eye on the weight and try to see if now the FV if the normal 5-7% feeding Amy fills them up.

[TubeDriver]

Control the syringe plunger handle with two fingers (pointer and thumb) because at some point the squirrels become big/strong enough to suck the formula and make the syringe plunger move on its own. So really, your job will be to prevent the syringe plunger from moving to fast!




Thanks all I will continue to as instructed by you guys and hope these two babies stay strong & healthy. I will try and feed them extra slow but they are always wanting toe at fast and I make them stop and take breaks I will keep an eye on the weight and try to see if now the FV if the normal 5-7% feeding Amy fills them up.

[Mommas Munchkins]

Thanks that's what I have been doing be cuss ether two are strong enough to move it themselves so I have to stop them and they get fussy lol but will continue and use the new syringe so won't have to worry about these crappy ones iv been using should help. Now that they are a little bigger will it be less likely for them to aspirate.? I know probably not the case but I sure wish it was it makes me so nervous now

[TubeDriver]

They bigger they get, the easier they will be and the more experienced you will be! Trust me, in a week or two, you will be able to syringe feed a squirrel blindfolded with one hand! :great:w00t

Just try for a slow, steady moment and if they pause to breath or swallow, just pause with them. I sort of watch the plunger and and what the squirrel is doing (sucking really hard or sort of pausing to get a breath) and just follow along. The squirrel leads but you control the pace!





Thanks that's what I have been doing be cuss ether two are strong enough to move it themselves so I have to stop them and they get fussy lol but will continue and use the new syringe so won't have to worry about these crappy ones iv been using should help. Now that they are a little bigger will it be less likely for them to aspirate.? I know probably not the case but I sure wish it was it makes me so nervous now

[Mommas Munchkins]

Thanks I can't what for my new syringes to come I feel like I will feel better with those wen i feed I usually let them lay on there belly while I point the syringe and nipple upright and have been going one black line and stopping all the way to the end of the syringe that way without problems. My question is just because let's say one was eating slow and I was pulling syringe out and he sneezed and I saw like to little dots of formula this doesn't necessarily mean he aspirated I just don't see how he could of there was barely any even left in the syringe. I instantly tipped him down and nothing came out I even did a little suck with my mouth over his nose he seemed fine no noise in lungs when I listened with my stereoscope and he isn't sneezing or clicking at all. I think in just being Paranoid since I just lost my baby girl. I can't wait for the new nipple and syringe so I don't have to worry as much.

[Mommas Munchkins]

My last two sweet babies, I started a new thread for these two in the normal thread hope they stay there and have no problems!! Input is appreciated on the new thread as I still have many questions I'm sure and pray I can be half the parent to these babies as all of you are to yours you are wonderful!!