Please help .Has anyone ever seen this before ?

[Queenie]

Vet did a scraping test and say it tested negative for mange. The texture on top of her is very bumpy .

[Milo's Mom]

I don't know what it is. It does resemble milk burn, but I think in your other thread that was already discussed.

I have an NR albino and this past January he started losing all of the fur on his face....in a pattern very similar to what you're showing. He also went blind in one eye at the same time so I assumed that he was banging into things with his face since he could no longer see out of the eye. I monitored it for a few months and nothing changed. His skin looked slightly irritated, he lost his fur, at times it did seem scaly, and he wasn't grooming his boy parts. I also felt around every square inch of his cage to find rough spots and cleaned all of his bedding regularly...nothing changed.

Finally a rehabber friend visited and I asked her to take a look. She agreed with what I was seeing and agreed it wasn't normal...especially the lack of grooming. She suggested I treat him with Ivermectin since I had not done that since his intake (a year or more ago). I gave Finny a nut dosed with Ivermectin right away and again 2 weeks later.

His boy parts are now sparkling clean and all of the fur on his face grew back. I have no idea what it was, it did not seem contagious (no one else had any problems and I've got several of them in very close proximity), and it went away with the Ivermectin treatment.

There are several thoughts and feelings on the use of Ivermectin. I use it and love it and it's how I was trained. Others seem to feel that Revolution is better. I can't speak about Revolution, I used it once in my life on my domestic pets and then spent hundreds at the vet treating them for allergic reactions...I don't use Revolution, but others here may be able to guide you if that's the route you choose.

[TubeDriver]

I also have had good results with Ivermectin but it MUST be dosed carefully as it can be lethal if too much is administered.

You could also try changing the detergent that you use to clean fleeces as they could be some type of contact dermatitis/allergic reaction to something in her cage?

[crazy4squirrels]

Personally, I would use one drop of Revolution...safer

[astra]

used Ivermectin paste on adult squirrels with success. But those were adult squirrels, and unless someone calculates a dose based on weight - that is, very, very precise - not sure if using a dose intended for, basically, adult squirrels would be safe on such a tiny baby (with eyes closed at that?).

used Revolution on juvies with success, too.

I never had to use either Iverm. or Rev. on such tiny babies, but I know some ppl who used Rev. on a little bit older babies with success.
And generally Rev. is considered safer. And most likely it is safer because I know of a couple of situations when it was accidentally 'overdosed' - instead of just a drop, the container squirted much more than just a drop. Ppl tried to wash it off in one case, did nothing in another case, and nothing happened. Not that one would recommend overdosing or putting more than a drop, but this is simply some examples that do suggest it is safer than iverm.
It also depends on individual tolerance and reaction to various medications, maybe, some do not react well to Rev, some do better with Iverm.
But for tiny babies ppl tend to go with Rev.

And since it's not even mange, why risk it? maybe, it's milk burn, or an allergic reaction to laundry detergent or something. May be best to try different other things before using something as strong as Iverm (which may not even be needed if this isn't parasitic)

Others will chime in.

[Queenie]

I don't know what it is. It does resemble milk burn, but I think in your other thread that was already discussed.

I have an NR albino and this past January he started losing all of the fur on his face....in a pattern very similar to what you're showing. He also went blind in one eye at the same time so I assumed that he was banging into things with his face since he could no longer see out of the eye. I monitored it for a few months and nothing changed. His skin looked slightly irritated, he lost his fur, at times it did seem scaly, and he wasn't grooming his boy parts. I also felt around every square inch of his cage to find rough spots and cleaned all of his bedding regularly...nothing changed.

Finally a rehabber friend visited and I asked her to take a look. She agreed with what I was seeing and agreed it wasn't normal...especially the lack of grooming. She suggested I treat him with Ivermectin since I had not done that since his intake (a year or more ago). I gave Finny a nut dosed with Ivermectin right away and again 2 weeks later.

His boy parts are now sparkling clean and all of the fur on his face grew back. I have no idea what it was, it did not seem contagious (no one else had any problems and I've got several of them in very close proximity), and it went away with the Ivermectin treatment.

There are several thoughts and feelings on the use of Ivermectin. I use it and love it and it's how I was trained. Others seem to feel that Revolution is better. I can't speak about Revolution, I used it once in my life on my domestic pets and then spent hundreds at the vet treating them for allergic reactions...I don't use Revolution, but others here may be able to guide you if that's the route you choose.


Thank you so much for your response. I'm glad Finny's skin got all cleared up, did he lose sight in that one eye permanently? I sure hope his sight came back.

I mentioned to the Vet that I had the 1.87% Ivermectin if that was his recommended med. But he only said that it was extremely dangerous and didn't give me any dosage requirments for Kam. I'm pretty confident that I can do it given the correct dosage. I have a scale and can weigh all my lil kids if someone could let me know but they are still babies on formula.

I have asked around for Revolution but since I do not have a kitten I can't get it. I do have one other Vet that is a friend in Tampa that I will ask as well if I need to. But I do have the Ivermectin on hand.

Anyway, thank you for being so kind and responding with your input. It is so helpful to hear advice from others with so much squirrel knowledge and big hearts.

Sincerely,

Queenie

[Queenie]

I also have had good results with Ivermectin but it MUST be dosed carefully as it can be lethal if too much is administered.

You could also try changing the detergent that you use to clean fleeces as they could be some type of contact dermatitis/allergic reaction to something in her cage?

That is a great idea to change detergent. I will be doing that tomorrow.

Thank you so very much!

Queenie

[Queenie]

used Ivermectin paste on adult squirrels with success. But those were adult squirrels, and unless someone calculates a dose based on weight - that is, very, very precise - not sure if using a dose intended for, basically, adult squirrels would be safe on such a tiny baby (with eyes closed at that?).

used Revolution on juvies with success, too.

I never had to use either Iverm. or Rev. on such tiny babies, but I know some ppl who used Rev. on a little bit older babies with success.
And generally Rev. is considered safer. And most likely it is safer because I know of a couple of situations when it was accidentally 'overdosed' - instead of just a drop, the container squirted much more than just a drop. Ppl tried to wash it off in one case, did nothing in another case, and nothing happened. Not that one would recommend overdosing or putting more than a drop, but this is simply some examples that do suggest it is safer than iverm.
It also depends on individual tolerance and reaction to various medications, maybe, some do not react well to Rev, some do better with Iverm.
But for tiny babies ppl tend to go with Rev.

And since it's not even mange, why risk it? maybe, it's milk burn, or an allergic reaction to laundry detergent or something. May be best to try different other things before using something as strong as Iverm (which may not even be needed if this isn't parasitic)

Others will chime in.

Thank you for your help!

I will definitely try the detergent switch as this is something easliy done and I will keep trying to find a source for the Revolution.

Just wish I knew what the heck this thingy is, ugh. His sister does not have nor do the other ones.

I've been giving them all a warm dawn dip and rinse every other night along with bedding changes, just to feel like I'm doing something to help this little girl.

Thanks again, really apreaciate your advice!

Queenie

[Nancy in New York]

You can get Revolution without a prescription at Joe's Pet Meds.
Go to the "size of breed" above the "add to cart" and it bring up a drop down menu.
Get the one for puppies and kittens up to 5 lbs.
http://www.joespetmeds.com/flea-control/revolution-cats-dogs.htm

[Queenie]

You can get Revolution without a prescription at Joe's Pet Meds.
Go to the "size of breed" above the "add to cart" and it bring up a drop down menu.
Get the one for puppies and kittens up to 5 lbs.
http://www.joespetmeds.com/flea-control/revolution-cats-dogs.htm

I did see that about Joe's but I saw where someone said it took forever to get it so I was apprehensive about ordering it.

Do you know if it takes long to get it?

Thanks,

Queenie

[HRT4SQRLS]

I received it from Joes in a week.
I thought that was pretty fast.

[Queenie]

I received it from Joes in a week.
I thought that was pretty fast.


No way ! I will order it tonight!

Thanks a bunch!!!

[stepnstone]

No way ! I will order it tonight!
Thanks a bunch!!!
Good! Glad to hear that! :applause
I also would be against the use of Ivermectin on a squirrel that young.
I too order from Joe's and a week's delivery give a day here or there for
my area is about right. Waiting is far better then the risk in my opinion.

[Milo's Mom]

Super happy you got all the info you needed about the Revolution. :great

Please know Ivermectin is not any more dangerous than all of the other drugs we use daily. Drugs are designed to kill things and they all need to be dosed carefully, Ivermectin just happens to be very good at its job and requires some extra caution and precision. As a matter of fact, before I had Ivermectin I killed a squirrel using Selamectin (the "safer" version of Ivermectin) by not dosing it properly...her name was Erika.

No, Finny never got his vision back in that eye. He's albino and they do generally (from my research) end up going blind or have severely limited vision. I do not think his loss of vision in that eye had anything to do with the fur loss thing.

[Delo729]

That is a great idea to change detergent. I will be doing that tomorrow.

Thank you so very much!

Queenie

yes try a detergent change. We usually always use Tide but I changed it up when Gain was on sale and our NR Arya developed weird bumpy crusty things and Ivermectin did not make it go away. took her to Dr. Caroline and she also said it wasn't parasitic. Rewashed all of her stuff in our regular detergent and lo and behold crusty bumpy things went away.

[Milo's Mom]

yes try a detergent change. We usually always use Tide but I changed it up when Gain was on sale and our NR Arya developed weird bumpy crusty things and Ivermectin did not make it go away. took her to Dr. Caroline and she also said it wasn't parasitic. Rewashed all of her stuff in our regular detergent and lo and behold crusty bumpy things went away.


Wow! This is interesting to me! I made the change to Gain detergent a few months ago...not sure when exactly, and I did it slowly as I wasn't sure if I liked it. I kept rotating brands till I finally made a decision to go with the Gain original. I've always been a Tide girl but we can't afford that anymore so we've been using Purex and I don't like it at all...nothing smells clean.

I have one squirrel that seems very thin, she eats well and is active, but I feel she is thin. Then the thing with Finny and his fur (but Ivermectin did work) and I think he's thin too. Maybe I'm just used to big chunky squirrels too. :thinking

I wonder if it has anything to do with the detergent. Hmmmm..... I must do some investigating. :great

[Queenie]

Super happy you got all the info you needed about the Revolution. :great

Please know Ivermectin is not any more dangerous than all of the other drugs we use daily. Drugs are designed to kill things and they all need to be dosed carefully, Ivermectin just happens to be very good at its job and requires some extra caution and precision. As a matter of fact, before I had Ivermectin I killed a squirrel using Selamectin (the "safer" version of Ivermectin) by not dosing it properly...her name was Erika.

No, Finny never got his vision back in that eye. He's albino and they do generally (from my research) end up going blind or have severely limited vision. I do not think his loss of vision in that eye had anything to do with the fur loss thing.

So sorry to hear about Erika. I guess we all have had those ones that slipped through our grasps but at least we gave them love while they were here.

I've got the Revolution ordered. Just hope this stuff doesn't get much worse. Seems all the babies have these scabies on them now :(

I just feel so bad for these little things, I'm sure these sores are not fun for them and I really hope this revolution cures them.

[Queenie]

Wow! This is interesting to me! I made the change to Gain detergent a few months ago...not sure when exactly, and I did it slowly as I wasn't sure if I liked it. I kept rotating brands till I finally made a decision to go with the Gain original. I've always been a Tide girl but we can't afford that anymore so we've been using Purex and I don't like it at all...nothing smells clean.

I have one squirrel that seems very thin, she eats well and is active, but I feel she is thin. Then the thing with Finny and his fur (but Ivermectin did work) and I think he's thin too. Maybe I'm just used to big chunky squirrels too. :thinking

I wonder if it has anything to do with the detergent. Hmmmm..... I must do some investigating. :great

Another question for you all. Since this skin issue has spread to all the babies now what are the chances of this thing spreading to myself , my animals and everything else that comes in contact with them. Do you think its possible? :/

[stepnstone]

Another question for you all. Since this skin issue has spread to all the babies now what are the chances of this thing spreading to myself , my animals and everything else that comes in contact with them. Do you think its possible? :/

Obviously spreading singles contagious. Depending on what the condition is, yes it's possible.
Especially if contact with other animals and even human if it were something such as certain types
of mange. (If not all)
Isolating them, their bedding and such from your other animals and keeping a good protocol of hygiene
for yourself at least until whatever can be treated is certainly advisable.

Edit: Just read back and saw mange was ruled out, that's a good thing. :great