My gray squirrel Nyka

[SandyC]

Hello all. I am new to this forum so please forgive me if I'm not posting correctly etc. So, I have a 1 yr old eastern gray female named Nyka I've had since she was approx 8 wks old. A friend found near death at 4-5 wks n nursed her back to health n couldn't find a place that wouldn't euthanize her so I took her. She was eating n drinking more than ever, actually became alil chubby. Over the past week or so she hasn't been eating the way she normally does. Certainly not as much n not all at once like before. Just kind of alil here n alil there. She even stopped going crazy for pumpkin seeds, which I couldn't get to her fast enough. Is this BC she has reached adulthood or could possibly be in heat? I changed her diet from blueberries, cherries-no pit, to every other fruit known to man, but she really doesn't care for any of them. She does seem to take to apricot somewhat. About 3months ago she did snub her usual bananas or apples for breakfast so I didn't think much of it when she snubbed the berries this time. What has me worried is that she doesn't care for her seeds anymore. Also she loved her yam for dinner, n now is even snubbing that. I managed to get her to eat white sweet corn from the cob n avocado. I finally found a rodent block she liked n now she's snubbing that too, even when I put peanut butter on it. Her energy level is actually higher than ever. She's crazy lol. Shes still drinking water, urinating, n defecating (alot smaller lil pebbles) n last night during bed time she all of sudden hopped up ran to the floor n drug her lil tooshie or "peach" across the floor. Of course I freaked out. I was able to get a good look then n several times today. All seems good. She went potty so no constipation or blockage, KNOCK ON WOOD, n all is normal again although she is not sleeping in her usual spot in my closet. She has a cage but I don't keep her in it. It's in a sun room so she has the whole room to herself. At night she comes in my room n had made herself a nice lil nest in my closet w a pair of my fleece pjs. Tonight she's sleeping right next to it. Any input would be greatly appreciated. She's my baby n I love her w all my heart!! Thanks for reading n sorry if this is so long.

[HRT4SQRLS]

Hi Sandy
What type of rodent block was she eating? I'm afraid the diet is a problem. Fruit should be given as a treat only and not as a large part of the diet. Seeds (of any type) and nuts are very unhealthy and should only be given as treats. If she was eating a lot of seeds it is likely that she is calcium deficient.
Of course, heat is always a possibility with a female but in her case, the diet needs some work right away.

Here is the link for the healthy diet.
https://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?44440-Healthy-Diet-for-Pet-Squirrels

[HRT4SQRLS]

I really think it would be a good idea to start the Metabolic Bone Disease treatment protocol. https://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?32122-MBD-Treatment

With all that fruit and seeds she is at a very high risk for MBD. I would NOT wait for the devastating symptoms of MBD like paralysis and seizures to be sure of the diagnosis. I would treat her now with supplemental calcium per the protocol.
The treatment won't hurt her and it could very well save her life.

The diet needs to change ASAP. I would recommend the Henry's Healthy Pet picky eater block available online.

[SandyC]

Hi Sandy
What type of rodent block was she eating? I'm afraid the diet is a problem. Fruit should be given as a treat only and not as a large part of the diet. Seeds (of any type) and nuts are very unhealthy and should only be given as treats. If she was eating a lot of seeds it is likely that she is calcium deficient.
Of course, heat is always a possibility with a female but in her case, the diet needs some work right away.

Here is the link for the healthy diet.
https://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?44440-Healthy-Diet-for-Pet-Squirrels

Vita prima subscription blocks. She used to eat them three times a day. I only gave her no more than two lil pieces of fruit just in the am. She only got nuts once or twice a month. She did get pumpkin seeds almost daily but just once per day. N on the label it says calcium 8%.N she's always been very picky w veggies. But she loved her yammy. Once at dinner. Two small pieces. The change in her "taste" for foods just changed about a week or two ago. She's still very energetic, in fact more energetic than ever. Her fur is beautiful. I did notice in the past few days her tail is thinning it the tip but I thought it was just changing for the winter coming up. I read the site u suggested. It seems I've done pretty much everything it has advised. I already gave her fruits this am which she didn't eat so I will take them away just give the blocks now. I did give her two almonds BC it has 8% calcium n thought that's a start. She ate those w no problems. Like I said BC she was alil over weight I limited her nuts to once or twice a month.Y all of sudden would she stop eating her favorite foods n blocks? Thank u so much for responding to my post. It means alot but I will admit I'm confused BC I've pretty much followed the diet guidelines.

[SandyC]

I really think it would be a good idea to start the Metabolic Bone Disease treatment protocol. https://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?32122-MBD-Treatment

With all that fruit and seeds she is at a very high risk for MBD. I would NOT wait for the devastating symptoms of MBD like paralysis and seizures to be sure of the diagnosis. I would treat her now with supplemental calcium per the protocol.
The treatment won't hurt her and it could very well save her life.

The diet needs to change ASAP. I would recommend the Henry's Healthy Pet picky eater block available online.
Thank u very much for responding! Idk if u can c what I replied to someones other response. I read the suggested link n I've pretty much followed the diet guidelines. BC she became alil over weight I limited her nuts to once or twice a month just once during that day. N only one or two of them. Fruit wise she got two small pieces a day. She ate her blocks three times a day n yes she did get pumpkin seeds on almost a daily basis once a day. I assumed BC the calcium content was 8% it was a good thing. At dinner she ate two small pieces of yam n I got her ready for bed. Her fur is beautiful but I did notice it started to thin at the tip the past few days. Her energy level is still very high, in fact higher than ever. Y all of a sudden would she stop or snub her favorite foods n blocks? I'm confused as Ive pretty much stuck to guidelines for a healthy diet. N she does eat eventually alil here n alil there n has been hiding the food more than she usual than she has in the past, assuming BC she's not eating ot right away. But when she did she still ate her blocks daily. I'm going to take away her fruit now BC she hasn't eaten it yet n I'll just give the rodent blocks. Hopefully she'll she'll c it's her only choice n she'll eat them again. I did also give her a piece of corn cob to chew on, no corn ears on it. Thanks again for replying!!

[SandyC]

Vita prima subscription blocks. She used to eat them three times a day. I only gave her no more than two lil pieces of fruit just in the am. She only got nuts once or twice a month. She did get pumpkin seeds almost daily but just once per day. N on the label it says calcium 8%.N she's always been very picky w veggies. But she loved her yammy. Once at dinner. Two small pieces. The change in her "taste" for foods just changed about a week or two ago. She's still very energetic, in fact more energetic than ever. Her fur is beautiful. I did notice in the past few days her tail is thinning it the tip but I thought it was just changing for the winter coming up. I read the site u suggested. It seems I've done pretty much everything it has advised. I already gave her fruits this am which she didn't eat so I will take them away just give the blocks now. I did give her two almonds BC it has 8% calcium n thought that's a start. She ate those w no problems. Like I said BC she was alil over weight I limited her nuts to once or twice a month.Y all of sudden would she stop eating her favorite foods n blocks? Thank u so much for responding to my post. It means alot but I will admit I'm confused BC I've pretty much followed the diet guidelines.
I forgot to mention that I gave her a piece of corn Cobb, no corn ears on it, for something to chew on.

[redwuff]

Hi Sandy,

So glad you were able to start a thread for your girl. Can't wait to see some pictures of her!

Sandy, your girls diet was a big concern to me. We know how hard it is to feed a squirrel and a bad diet is a death sentence. Unfortunately, people that are in a position to advise newbie squirrel owners, i.e. vets, pet shop employees, and other squirrel owners, mostly do not know a proper diet for a squirrel. Nor do they know how to get the squirrel to switch to a proper diet once it has been on the deadly diet of nuts and seeds.

Please stay and learn. Your girl's life depends on it. We will help you anyway we can. But we need you to do your part and follow our directions. If something does not work or you are having trouble, please let us know. This board is full of experience! And the thing we work with the most is helping get squirrels on the correct diet.

As I mentioned in a PM, there are veterinarians that can see your girl, maybe not as close as you would like, but we can help if that need comes up.

So glad you made a thread for your girl. We delight in the sharing of each other's loves.

Trysh

[SandyC]

Hi Sandy
What type of rodent block was she eating? I'm afraid the diet is a problem. Fruit should be given as a treat only and not as a large part of the diet. Seeds (of any type) and nuts are very unhealthy and should only be given as treats. If she was eating a lot of seeds it is likely that she is calcium deficient.
Of course, heat is always a possibility with a female but in her case, the diet needs some work right away.

Here is the link for the healthy diet.
https://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?44440-Healthy-Diet-for-Pet-Squirrels
Since avocado is OK to give her can I give her that in the am n at night before bed? N the white sweet corn? She's not really eating the fruits now anyway so I'll just eliminate them. Since her energy level is still very high should I hold off on the tums n c if she eats her blocks again since it's going to be the only option she has in the am? N what about vit d? I saw that mushrooms r high in d. Is it just regular mushrooms? Sorry I keep replying. I just keep thinking things after I've posted my repies lol. Thanks again for the input!!

[SandyC]

Hi Sandy,

So glad you were able to start a thread for your girl. Can't wait to see some pictures of her!

Sandy, your girls diet was a big concern to me. We know how hard it is to feed a squirrel and a bad diet is a death sentence. Unfortunately, people that are in a position to advise newbie squirrel owners, i.e. vets, pet shop employees, and other squirrel owners, mostly do not know a proper diet for a squirrel. Nor do they know how to get the squirrel to switch to a proper diet once it has been on the deadly diet of nuts and seeds.

Please stay and learn. Your girl's life depends on it. We will help you anyway we can. But we need you to do your part and follow our directions. If something does not work or you are having trouble, please let us know. This board is full of experience! And the thing we work with the most is helping get squirrels on the correct diet.

As I mentioned in a PM, there are veterinarians that can see your girl, maybe not as close as you would like, but we can help if that need comes up.

So glad you made a thread for your girl. We delight in the sharing of each other's loves.

Trysh
I'm so confused I went into detail what n how I feed her n it seems like I'm following the guidelines. Except for the pumpkin seeds. Can u take a look at what I replied n c if I'm doing or need to do change things even more? Thank u so much for all ur help!! I'll do whatever it takes to keep my baby happy n healthy!!

[SandyC]

Hi Sandy
What type of rodent block was she eating? I'm afraid the diet is a problem. Fruit should be given as a treat only and not as a large part of the diet. Seeds (of any type) and nuts are very unhealthy and should only be given as treats. If she was eating a lot of seeds it is likely that she is calcium deficient.
Of course, heat is always a possibility with a female but in her case, the diet needs some work right away.

Here is the link for the healthy diet.
https://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?44440-Healthy-Diet-for-Pet-Squirrels
I just tried to order Henry's picky blocks n of course there's a problem. It's saying my email is incorrect. It's my email. Idk what else to do. I've never had any problems w my email before.

[HRT4SQRLS]

Sandy, I would try to create an account at Henrys. Maybe that will help with the email problem. The great advantage is that they give you a 10% discount on your purchases when you use the account.

[HRT4SQRLS]

Sandy, maybe I misunderstood Nyka's diet. The way you wrote it, my understanding was a diet primarily of fruit and seeds which is a HUGE no no.

I'm not at all familiar with the block. I've actually never heard of anyone feeding that particular block so I really can't say whether it is an acceptable block or not. I did note that they have 2 different rat foods with a similar name. One is a seed mix. The other is a block.
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The first one (seed mix) is very bad. The second one might be OK but I'm really not sure.

I will be in and out today but at some point I want to explain about calcium : phosphorus ratios so that you will understand why some foods are good and others are bad. When I first came to TSB I really had no idea about nutrition. Some of the things I learned here I was able to change some bad habits I had with my own diet. It was a real eye opener for me.

Later today I will be back to your thread.

[SandyC]

Sandy, I would try to create an account at Henrys. Maybe that will help with the email problem. The great advantage is that they give you a 10% discount on your purchases when you use the account.
OK. Thank u!! I also just crushed two blocks n mixed it w peanut butter. She ate some of it. It's like she's too busy. She just wants to play play play! She's so full of energy. N it's not pacing back n forth. She wants to play. N the past two days she's been very interested in looking out of the windows. She runs to one then the other then jumps on me n does her usual play on my head n arms n w my hands n her tons of toys. How do I post pics on her here? I'd love to show u how pretty she is.

[redwuff]

Vita prima subscription blocks. She used to eat them three times a day. I only gave her no more than two lil pieces of fruit just in the am. She only got nuts once or twice a month. She did get pumpkin seeds almost daily but just once per day. N on the label it says calcium 8%.N she's always been very picky w veggies. But she loved her yammy. Once at dinner. Two small pieces. The change in her "taste" for foods just changed about a week or two ago. She's still very energetic, in fact more energetic than ever. Her fur is beautiful. I did notice in the past few days her tail is thinning it the tip but I thought it was just changing for the winter coming up. I read the site u suggested. It seems I've done pretty much everything it has advised. I already gave her fruits this am which she didn't eat so I will take them away just give the blocks now. I did give her two almonds BC it has 8% calcium n thought that's a start. She ate those w no problems. Like I said BC she was alil over weight I limited her nuts to once or twice a month.Y all of sudden would she stop eating her favorite foods n blocks? Thank u so much for responding to my post. It means alot but I will admit I'm confused BC I've pretty much followed the diet guidelines.

I have never heard if Vita prima subscription blocks. Can you tell me about them? Sounds like you have done a lot of work yourself on learning about diet. Good for you!

Squirrels do wax and wane on eating, and the first thing to go is eating block.
Please start the MBD protocol. It won't hurt and it could be vital.

I am looking up the food vita prima sunscription block to see what it is made of. Are u using the Rat, mouse, and gerbil formula or Critter Cubes Formulated diet.

We are in the process of trying to figure out where your girls diet is . It sounds better than first thought if you are feeding the block. Remember block needs to be 80% of her diet. If you have been feeding Rat, Mouse, and Gerbil Formula (seed mix) then you MUST start MBD treatment without delay, also many people 'feed' block but their squirrels don't eat enough of the block, but instead eat the other goodies, which is not a proper diet to prevent MBD. That is why we are suggesting to start the treatment
Until we have more info on what is going on. One symptom of MBD is lack of appetite.

Let us know how she is doing!

Trysh

[SandyC]

Here's my baby w her winter coat

[SandyC]

I have never heard if Vita prima subscription blocks. Can you tell me about them? Sounds like you have done a lot of work yourself on learning about diet. Good for you!

Squirrels do wax and wane on eating, and the first thing to go is eating block.
Please start the MBD protocol. It won't hurt and it could be vital.

I am looking up the food vita prima sunscription block to see what it is made of. Are u using the Rat, mouse, and gerbil formula or Critter Cubes Formulated diet.

We are in the process of trying to figure out where your girls diet is . It sounds better than first thought if you are feeding the block. Remember block needs to be 80% of her diet. If you have been feeding Rat, Mouse, and Gerbil Formula (seed mix) then you MUST start MBD treatment without delay, also many people 'feed' block but their squirrels don't eat enough of the block, but instead eat the other goodies, which is not a proper diet to prevent MBD. That is why we are suggesting to start the treatment
Until we have more info on what is going on. One symptom of MBD is lack of appetite.

Let us know how she is doing!

Trysh
Critter cubes. I just crushed two of them up n mixed them into some peanut butter. She ate some of it n of course went back to playing. It's like she's too busy. Just wants to play play play. She's not pacing she's playing w me or her tons of toys. She has been very interested in what's going on outside the past two days. Looks out window n runs to the next. It's a sunroom so she has lots of them. I do know that the windows do not allow the proper sunlight in which contains the d she needs so I'm almost certain she's at risk now for deficiency since she's not eating her blocks. The blocks r definitely not at 80% of her diet. N yes I did my research n even emailed back n forth w a rehabber from California. I wanted to be prepared for taking on such a different wild animal. Thank u for the compliment BTW. It helps BC I feel horrible now that I've been a bad momma. I have tums. How many should I syringe feed her?

[SandyC]

Sandy, maybe I misunderstood Nyka's diet. The way you wrote it, my understanding was a diet primarily of fruit and seeds which is a HUGE no no.

I'm not at all familiar with the block. I've actually never heard of anyone feeding that particular block so I really can't say whether it is an acceptable block or not. I did note that they have 2 different rat foods with a similar name. One is a seed mix. The other is a block.
291368291369

The first one (seed mix) is very bad. The second one might be OK but I'm really not sure.

I will be in and out today but at some point I want to explain about calcium : phosphorus ratios so that you will understand why some foods are good and others are bad. When I first came to TSB I really had no idea about nutrition. Some of the things I learned here I was able to change some bad habits I had with my own diet. It was a real eye opener for me.

Later today I will be back to your thread.
It's the second one. There like grain blocks. No seeds. I know sunflower seeds r bad BC they don't allow the calcium to metabolize so it was very rare she got those. I'm somewhat familiar of the ratios but obviously not enough educated. Thank u so much for helping me!!

[SandyC]

Hi Sandy,

So glad you were able to start a thread for your girl. Can't wait to see some pictures of her!

Sandy, your girls diet was a big concern to me. We know how hard it is to feed a squirrel and a bad diet is a death sentence. Unfortunately, people that are in a position to advise newbie squirrel owners, i.e. vets, pet shop employees, and other squirrel owners, mostly do not know a proper diet for a squirrel. Nor do they know how to get the squirrel to switch to a proper diet once it has been on the deadly diet of nuts and seeds.

Please stay and learn. Your girl's life depends on it. We will help you anyway we can. But we need you to do your part and follow our directions. If something does not work or you are having trouble, please let us know. This board is full of experience! And the thing we work with the most is helping get squirrels on the correct diet.

As I mentioned in a PM, there are veterinarians that can see your girl, maybe not as close as you would like, but we can help if that need comes up.

So glad you made a thread for your girl. We delight in the sharing of each other's loves.

Trysh
Ty for making me feel so welcome n giving tips n helping me w my babys diet. I just figured out how to post pics so more r coming now lol

[redwuff]

Sorry we are cross posting. Hrt4SQRLS is right on. Give us sometime like I said so we can figure things out and be in real time with each other.

My six year old grey used to do what it sounds like your girl is doing. She would go off her food and have super high energy. Although she would spend part of her day going from one window to another. It seems that in late summer there is a migration of squirrels from the area and I always thought my girl could feel the urge for movement also. This would last for a few weeks and I would frantically try and figure out how to get her to eat quality food during that time. It would happen each year at the same time of year for several weeks.

I like what you did with crushing up your block and mixing it with a nut butter. Way to go!

[SandyC]

Hi Sandy,

So glad you were able to start a thread for your girl. Can't wait to see some pictures of her!

Sandy, your girls diet was a big concern to me. We know how hard it is to feed a squirrel and a bad diet is a death sentence. Unfortunately, people that are in a position to advise newbie squirrel owners, i.e. vets, pet shop employees, and other squirrel owners, mostly do not know a proper diet for a squirrel. Nor do they know how to get the squirrel to switch to a proper diet once it has been on the deadly diet of nuts and seeds.

Please stay and learn. Your girl's life depends on it. We will help you anyway we can. But we need you to do your part and follow our directions. If something does not work or you are having trouble, please let us know. This board is full of experience! And the thing we work with the most is helping get squirrels on the correct diet.

As I mentioned in a PM, there are veterinarians that can see your girl, maybe not as close as you would like, but we can help if that need comes up.

So glad you made a thread for your girl. We delight in the sharing of each other's loves.

Trysh
Here's some pics I just uploaded. The second pic is her eating her blocks. The good ole days lol. I'll post some of her now w her summer coat.

[SandyC]

Here's some pics I just uploaded.

The second pic is her eating her blocks. The good ole days lol. Many more pics to come. My phone is 90% filled w pics n videos of her. Hope u enjoy. I'll send a few of her now w het summer coat.

[redwuff]

OMGOSH SHE IS BEAUTIFUL . WE LOVE HER TOO!:grouphug:grouphug

[SandyC]

Sorry we are cross posting. Hrt4SQRLS is right on. Give us sometime like I said so we can figure things out and be in real time with each other.

My six year old grey used to do what it sounds like your girl is doing. She would go off her food and have super high energy. Although she would spend part of her day going from one window to another. It seems that in late summer there is a migration of squirrels from the area and I always thought my girl could feel the urge for movement also. This would last for a few weeks and I would frantically try and figure out how to get her to eat quality food during that time. It would happen each year at the same time of year for several weeks.

I like what you did with crushing up your block and mixing it with a nut butter. Way to go!
U have no idea how good that makes me feel that ur baby has done this. I actually said to her, when I thought she was in heat, u smelling them boys out there?
Did things go back normal once the migration slowed down? I'm still very concerned for her diet since u guys have replied so thank u very much for opening my eyes even more on the intricate diet r babies must have. Thanks again!!

[SandyC]

More from this spring/summer

[SandyC]

OMGOSH SHE IS BEAUTIFUL . WE LOVE HER TOO!:grouphug:grouphug

Thank u very much!! I'm truly blessed!! She's my whole world. Don't tell my husband that lol

[TubeDriver]

She is a cutie and looks very happy.:grin2

The diet advice here on the TSB will really help her to stay healthy and happy and to live longer too.:great

[Nancy in New York]

FYI the food chart below.
Your little one is BEAUTIFUL! :klunk

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-WBwrFLT/0/98b5eed6/O/i-WBwrFLT.jpg

[SandyC]

She is a cutie and looks very happy.:grin2

The diet advice here on the TSB will really help her to stay healthy and happy and to live longer too.:great

Thank u!! She is my first priority n I do all I can to make sure she's happy n healthy. I'm learning now I'm not quite right w her diet. I have some portobello mushrooms, can she eat those? I saw that mushrooms r high in vit d which she needs do to the lack of sun exposure eventho she lives in my sunroom.

[SandyC]

Thank u very much!! She's my baby. I'm very blessed to have her. I'm also grateful for everyone's input. It's really showing me I need to change her diet. Things were fine when she was eating her blocks but now she's not eating them n is being very picky w everything else. Still crazy n playful. More than ever actually. My concern is the vit d. I heard mushrooms r high in d so I have some portobellos I'd like to feed her but want to make sure they're OK to give her. Thanks again!!

[SandyC]

I have never heard if Vita prima subscription blocks. Can you tell me about them? Sounds like you have done a lot of work yourself on learning about diet. Good for you!

Squirrels do wax and wane on eating, and the first thing to go is eating block.
Please start the MBD protocol. It won't hurt and it could be vital.

I am looking up the food vita prima sunscription block to see what it is made of. Are u using the Rat, mouse, and gerbil formula or Critter Cubes Formulated diet.

We are in the process of trying to figure out where your girls diet is . It sounds better than first thought if you are feeding the block. Remember block needs to be 80% of her diet. If you have been feeding Rat, Mouse, and Gerbil Formula (seed mix) then you MUST start MBD treatment without delay, also many people 'feed' block but their squirrels don't eat enough of the block, but instead eat the other goodies, which is not a proper diet to prevent MBD. That is why we are suggesting to start the treatment
Until we have more info on what is going on. One symptom of MBD is lack of appetite.

Let us know how she is doing!

Trysh
How much is enough or too much of the tums? I have syringes from when I had her formula as a baby.

[HRT4SQRLS]

Portabellas are excellent. My flyers get mushrooms everyday.

I have to agree with the others .... Nyka is BEAUTIFUL!!!!! :grin2

[SandyC]

Hi Sandy
What type of rodent block was she eating? I'm afraid the diet is a problem. Fruit should be given as a treat only and not as a large part of the diet. Seeds (of any type) and nuts are very unhealthy and should only be given as treats. If she was eating a lot of seeds it is likely that she is calcium deficient.
Of course, heat is always a possibility with a female but in her case, the diet needs some work right away.

Here is the link for the healthy diet.
https://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?44440-Healthy-Diet-for-Pet-Squirrels
I just ordered the Henry's picky blocks. Should b here 3-5 days. Thank u sooo much for ur help!!! Fingers crossed she likes them BC it just cost me $26.00 lol

[SandyC]

Portabellas are excellent. My flyers get mushrooms everyday.

I have to agree with the others .... Nyka is BEAUTIFUL!!!!! :grin2

Awww. U guys r too kind!! I'm trying my best to keep her beautiful healthy n happy. I just ordered the Henry's picky blocks. I did notice the tip of her tail is loosing some hair. This happened when she got her winter coat so I figured it was normal. Even her tummy lost most of it's fur near her back legs during the end of winter closer to spring n grew back in beautifully white as can be n nice n silky. Not fluffy like her winter coat. Sorry got alil off track. So, is this normal w her tail or is it early signs of vit d or calcium deficiency?

[Shewhosweptforest]

Oh my goodness :klunk she is beeeutiful :blowkiss welcome to you both :Love_Icon please don't beat yourself up...my Baby was a year and a half old when I came here...and her diet was far worse than Nyka's:eek when I got my picky eater blocks I just did tough love and only offered her the block...by the end of the first day she was eating them :great

You can really tell that she is well loved and cared for :serene

My squirrels also go through periods when they slow down on their eating...and I have females...and they do drag their bottoms sometimes...I've even seen my releases do that :dono I have always assumed they are marking their territory:thinking I wouldn't worry:great I think she's going to love the blocks and she'll be fine :Love_Icon

[redwuff]

Thank u!! She is my first priority n I do all I can to make sure she's happy n healthy. I'm learning now I'm not quite right w her diet. I have some portobello mushrooms, can she eat those? I saw that mushrooms r high in vit d which she needs do to the lack of sun exposure eventho she lives in my sunroom.

Just remember that block is the most important thing you can do and it sounds like you have a descent grasp of that. After that just follow the food guide.

Lily is so lovely.:grouphug

[lennysmom]

I agree, Nyka is beautiful girly!:Love_Icon Her adorable pictures make me smile.:) I'm glad you found us so we can answer any questions you might have and get her diet corrected as well as to share her story and pics with us.:w00t

[SandyC]

Portabellas are excellent. My flyers get mushrooms everyday.

I have to agree with the others .... Nyka is BEAUTIFUL!!!!! :grin2

So she didn't eat the mushrooms. She barely ate the avocado or white corn (the only two things left she was eating)
I'm so worried for her!! She's loosing her fur on her tail now. I'm so in love w her n can't loose her!! Any other suggestions?

[SandyC]

Just remember that block is the most important thing you can do and it sounds like you have a descent grasp of that. After that just follow the food guide.

Lily is so lovely.:grouphug

I ordered Henry's picky blocks a few hrs ago. She barely ate today. Just the corn cob. Barely any of the my blocks crushed w nut butter. I tried mushrooms BC the loss of hair on the tip of her tail is now one more concern for me so I'm assuming it's vit d deficiency. She barely ate the only two foods left that i got her eating now, white corn from the cob n avocado. I'm so worried about her!! I can't loose her!! I'm trying everything n she just became so picky all of sudden. I also tried her yammy again, no luck. I tried romaine the mushrooms again. Just played w it n chewed it but didn't really eat it. I'm in tears that shes been perfect for 14 months n just like a flip of a switch she is doing this crap. Like I said crazy energy. But too busy to eat. At least at bedtime i could get her to eat something but tonite not much. I bought some d3 pills the other day n was gonna add it to her diet but I saw on here that any supplement in pill form is a no no. I have tums but don't know how much to syringe her. Each one is 750mgs. I know ur looking into it n working together to help me but please hurry. I dont have kids. She is my kid. My baby bum bum as I call her. I can't imagine life w o her. I did alot of research before taking her n expect her to live the whole 20 yrs w me. R bond is like no other n she is only like that w me. She makes me feel like I have purpose again. I have alot of health issues myself so she has really helped me in ways that no one else can n I know that she loves me too BC when were together it's just us. No one else exists. I'm so sorry to go on a rant there. I'm just so upset this happened at all let alone over night. Thank u again very much!! It means the world to me ur trying to help!! :hug

[SandyC]

I agree, Nyka is beautiful girly!:Love_Icon Her adorable pictures make me smile.:) I'm glad you found us so we can answer any questions you might have and get her diet corrected as well as to share her story and pics with us.:w00t

Thank u very much! I'm glad I found u guys as well!! Everyones support is really amazing n I'm grateful for all of ur comments n suggestions. At least now I feel she has a chance BC Ive been in tears n praying n doing crazy ocd rituals hoping she stops this nonsense. Perfect for 14 months n next day this starts. Not even gradual. Just a slap in the face. Like hey surprise I'm not going to eat but I'm still gonna be crazy have more energy than I ever have had mommy. Anyway- thank u again!! I reposted somewhere on what she was like today. It took me a while to type so I hope u c it BC I cant type it again lol. I have joint problems n my hands n fingers killing me. The post was originally meant for reduff or rehuff?? Hope they c it as well. I can't thank all of u enough for the help!! All of u r I'm forever in ur debt. :grouphug

[SandyC]

I have never heard if Vita prima subscription blocks. Can you tell me about them? Sounds like you have done a lot of work yourself on learning about diet. Good for you!

Squirrels do wax and wane on eating, and the first thing to go is eating block.
Please start the MBD protocol. It won't hurt and it could be vital.

I am looking up the food vita prima sunscription block to see what it is made of. Are u using the Rat, mouse, and gerbil formula or Critter Cubes Formulated diet.

We are in the process of trying to figure out where your girls diet is . It sounds better than first thought if you are feeding the block. Remember block needs to be 80% of her diet. If you have been feeding Rat, Mouse, and Gerbil Formula (seed mix) then you MUST start MBD treatment without delay, also many people 'feed' block but their squirrels don't eat enough of the block, but instead eat the other goodies, which is not a proper diet to prevent MBD. That is why we are suggesting to start the treatment
Until we have more info on what is going on. One symptom of MBD is lack of appetite.

Let us know how she is doing!

Trysh
She's eating critter cubes. Well she was. Idk how much tums to give her. Each one is 750 mgs. I reposted about her day today n his she barely ate the dinner n that I then offered her the only two things left she's eating n now I here her eating!! Yay!!! I just don't want her to loose too much weight while we figure out how to get her back on track. Luckily she's a lil chunker so that helps. I ordered the Henry's picky pet blocks a few ago so just waiting foe them to get here. I hope she eats them!! I'm so upset w this whole thing. She means the world to me. I don't have children. She is my child, my baby bum bum as I call her. Well now my phone is dying so I'll let u go. I think I've bothered u enough today, all of u. I can't ty enough. Im forever in ur debt as I think I've said before to someone else or probably u. At this point I'm losing my mind BC of all the tears worrying odd ocd rituals praying etc. Look forward to hearing from u tomoro or later tonite as I'm sure I won't sleep again. Thanks again!! :grouphug

[redwuff]

Hi sandy, don't know how to add a link, but you can put Emergency treatment of Metabolic bone disease in the search box in upper right of page and it will pop up.

[SandyC]

I have never heard if Vita prima subscription blocks. Can you tell me about them? Sounds like you have done a lot of work yourself on learning about diet. Good for you!

Squirrels do wax and wane on eating, and the first thing to go is eating block.
Please start the MBD protocol. It won't hurt and it could be vital.

I am looking up the food vita prima sunscription block to see what it is made of. Are u using the Rat, mouse, and gerbil formula or Critter Cubes Formulated diet.

We are in the process of trying to figure out where your girls diet is . It sounds better than first thought if you are feeding the block. Remember block needs to be 80% of her diet. If you have been feeding Rat, Mouse, and Gerbil Formula (seed mix) then you MUST start MBD treatment without delay, also many people 'feed' block but their squirrels don't eat enough of the block, but instead eat the other goodies, which is not a proper diet to prevent MBD. That is why we are suggesting to start the treatment
Until we have more info on what is going on. One symptom of MBD is lack of appetite.

Let us know how she is doing!

Trysh
I started her mbd tx today. I mixed up two blocks n one tums w nut butter. Well c. Fingers crossed she eats it!! I'm so scared n worried about her. Her tail is thinning n that makes me nervous. Even when she was eating well n being her crazy self I always worried. Now my anxiety is thru the roof. Thanks again for helping me!!
Hopefully the Henry's picky blocks will get here soon. She better est them BC Idk what else to do. I've tried everything!! I just don't understand y she was fine one day the very next day she stopped eating her favs. It was like a switch went off. Not gradual at all. Just bam! Not eating but still crazy n full of energy. Thanks again!! It means more than u'll ever know!!

[Nancy in New York]

Here's the link to the MBD protocol.
Follow this, and you can't go wrong.
Remember with the tums, what you are looking for is the elemental calcium.
Let me look for a thread that may help you with the tums.

EDIT:
I hope no one minds I went ahead and did a short piece on how to decipher how much elemental calcium is in any supplement, including the new Tums, which are no longer very clearly labeled IMO. (I spoke with yet another person today--TSB member--who's been dosing her MBD sq based on the assumption that TUMS EXTRA 750 contains 750 mg CA per tablet. Sq has only been getting around 200 mg/day. Luckily, sq is doing well.) Anyhow, hope someone finds this useful.

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MBD Protocol:
https://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?32122-MBD-Treatment

[SandyC]

Oh my goodness :klunk she is beeeutiful :blowkiss welcome to you both :Love_Icon please don't beat yourself up...my Baby was a year and a half old when I came here...and her diet was far worse than Nyka's:eek when I got my picky eater blocks I just did tough love and only offered her the block...by the end of the first day she was eating them :great

You can really tell that she is well loved and cared for :serene

My squirrels also go through periods when they slow down on their eating...and I have females...and they do drag their bottoms sometimes...I've even seen my releases do that :dono I have always assumed they are marking their territory:thinking I wouldn't worry:great I think she's going to love the blocks and she'll be fine :Love_Icon
Thank u very much!! Really, it means alot!! I definitely feel the love is this group. U guys r great!! I'm doing tough love today. I mixed up the blocks I have now w a tums in nut butter. Hopefully she eats it BC that's all she's getting. Yeah right, I know I'll at least give her some avocado BC it's the only thing left she eats. I'm worried that the very lil amount she is eating is going to sneak up on her n she's going to decline. GOD forbid!! It's just so frustrating BC she is all over the place. It's like she's too busy to eat. Play play play is all she wants to do. Someone else said that their baby also went thru this for a few wks. N it happened every season so that helps w my nerves alil bit. Lately she's been from window to window showing interest in outside. That's new too. I have her in the sunroom never caged so she has alot of room to run around. I just hope her energy stays up. That's the only thing keeping me somewhat sane. GOD forbid!! KNOCK ON WOOD, FINGERS CROSSED n any other crazy ocd things u can think of lol. Just waiting for henrys blocks to get here. Thanks again!! It means so very much to me!!

[HRT4SQRLS]

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https://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=67968&d=1232419601

Sandy, I promised to explain about the calcium : phosphorus ratio of foods.
Above you will find 2 links that give the ratios of different foods . The second chart puts the foods in GOOD, FAIR and RISKY.

It not just the amount of calcium that determines if a food is good or bad.
The amount of phosphorus is also important. For optimal bone health, the intake of calcium should be approximately twice that of phosphorus (or a Ca: P ratio of 2:1). When the phosphorus exceeds the calcium in the diet, a hormone is produced by the parathyroid that breaks down the bones. In simple terms, calcium is pulled from the bones. For large mammals like us, osteoporosis would be the result. For small mammals, brittle bones is only ONE of the complications. Metabolic Bone Disease is much more than thinning of the bones. It is a complex metabolic syndrome that is characterized by hind end paralysis, seizures and death.

This is the reason diet is so important for our little friends. When you look at the chart, I think you will understand why seeds and nuts are so harmful when fed in quantity. Highlighting a few... Pumpkin seeds (1:27) Pine nuts (1:36) Pecans (1:4). All of these are bad Ca: P ratios. Actually, pine nuts are SO bad most people never feed them. The best foods are those that have a ratio of 2:1.

You mentioned mushrooms. I actually forgot that mushrooms have a bad ratio. (1:29) They are good for Vitamin D but they are very high in phosphorus. Flyers get them for the Vitamin D because they are nocturnal and don't get much from sunlight. Squirrels can have mushrooms but moderation is important.

I think the key is variety. Some veggies are better than others.
Don't go overboard on the high phosphorus foods. Nuts and seeds are especially bad. Actually seeds are much worse than nuts. That's why they are considered treats only.

Last but not least.... All of this information highlights WHY feeding rodent block is SO important. Rodent blocks have been formulated to meet the nutritional needs of rodents. They contain vitamins and minerals that are needed for good health. We can't match the diet that squirrels get in nature so we do the best we can. The rodent block helps to fill in the gaps that exist due to our inability to match a natural diet that they would normally eat.

This was probably way TMI :tilt but I hope it gives you an idea about selecting foods. Nutrition is very complex and involves a lot more than just calcium and phosphorus but we highlight that because most of the problems we see are related to MBD.

[SandyC]

Thank u very much!! Really, it means alot!! I definitely feel the love is this group. U guys r great!! I'm doing tough love today. I mixed up the blocks I have now w a tums in nut butter. Hopefully she eats it BC that's all she's getting. Yeah right, I know I'll at least give her some avocado BC it's the only thing left she eats. I'm worried that the very lil amount she is eating is going to sneak up on her n she's going to decline. GOD forbid!! It's just so frustrating BC she is all over the place. It's like she's too busy to eat. Play play play is all she wants to do. Someone else said that their baby also went thru this for a few wks. N it happened every season so that helps w my nerves alil bit. Lately she's been from window to window showing interest in outside. That's new too. I have her in the sunroom never caged so she has alot of room to run around. I just hope her energy stays up. That's the only thing keeping me somewhat sane. GOD forbid!! KNOCK ON WOOD, FINGERS CROSSED n any other crazy ocd things u can think of lol. Just waiting for henrys blocks to get here. Thanks again!! It means so very much to me!!
I just looked at the tums label. It's calcium carbonate. Will it still work? I heard that any supplements in pill form r a no no. N I just bought vit d3. What n how do I get these vitamins in her? She has cuttle bones that also have all the vits on them too. She chews the crap out of those. I thought that was a good source n enough to keep her nutrient levels on track. I'm going to get some more tomoro. Is there anything else I can get vitamin n mineral wise til the blocks get here? N I guess it's a good idea to have them for her on a daily basis to make sure she's getting the proper amount. Thanks again!!

[Nancy in New York]

I just looked at the tums label. It's calcium carbonate. Will it still work? I heard that any supplements in pill form r a no no. N I just bought vit d3. What n how do I get these vitamins in her? She has cuttle bones that also have all the vits on them too. She chews the crap out of those. I thought that was a good source n enough to keep her nutrient levels on track. I'm going to get some more tomoro. Is there anything else I can get vitamin n mineral wise til the blocks get here? N I guess it's a good idea to have them for her on a daily basis to make sure she's getting the proper amount. Thanks again!!

Here you go, read the parts where the green arrows are:
This will explain about elemental calcium.
On this particular bottle remember it states the elemental calcium is for 2 tums.

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-G8Ghf2g/0/f438dffd/O/i-G8Ghf2g.jpg

[HRT4SQRLS]

I just looked at the tums label. It's calcium carbonate. Will it still work? I heard that any supplements in pill form r a no no. N I just bought vit d3. What n how do I get these vitamins in her? She has cuttle bones that also have all the vits on them too. She chews the crap out of those. I thought that was a good source n enough to keep her nutrient levels on track. I'm going to get some more tomoro. Is there anything else I can get vitamin n mineral wise til the blocks get here? N I guess it's a good idea to have them for her on a daily basis to make sure she's getting the proper amount. Thanks again!!
The calcium carbonate is exactly what you want. There are other forms of calcium but we usually use the calcium carbonate because it is readily available AND a more important reason is because most calcium supplements have Vitamin D in them. While it is fine to oversupplement with calcium (while treating MBD), it is NOT OK to oversupplement Vitamin D. Vitamin D is used as a rodenticide (rat poison) by some manufacturers of that product. Too much Vitamin D is harmful or can be lethal. Squirrels do need Vitamin D for calcium uptake but please be careful. A highly respected vet in FL said it is OK to add a TINY pinch of Vitamin D3 when treating for MBD. Just be careful.

Cuddle bones are great. The fact that she 'chews the crap' out of it shows that she is calcium deficient. Most squirrels ignore them but when their body craves it they will really go after it.

The blocks will be there in a few days. I wouldn't add anything right now other than the treatment. I think you will find that she likes the Henry blocks. 2 per day is what she would get unless she is large and then she could have 3 maximum per day. Store them in the freezer as they have no preservatives.

[SandyC]

https://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=67967&d=1232419601

https://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=67968&d=1232419601

Sandy, I promised to explain about the calcium : phosphorus ratio of foods.
Above you will find 2 links that give the ratios of different foods . The second chart puts the foods in GOOD, FAIR and RISKY.

It not just the amount of calcium that determines if a food is good or bad.
The amount of phosphorus is also important. For optimal bone health, the intake of calcium should be approximately twice that of phosphorus (or a Ca: P ratio of 2:1). When the phosphorus exceeds the calcium in the diet, a hormone is produced by the parathyroid that breaks down the bones. In simple terms, calcium is pulled from the bones. For large mammals like us, osteoporosis would be the result. For small mammals, brittle bones is only ONE of the complications. Metabolic Bone Disease is much more than thinning of the bones. It is a complex metabolic syndrome that is characterized by hind end paralysis, seizures and death.

This is the reason diet is so important for our little friends. When you look at the chart, I think you will understand why seeds and nuts are so harmful when fed in quantity. Highlighting a few... Pumpkin seeds (1:27) Pine nuts (1:36) Pecans (1:4). All of these are bad Ca: P ratios. Actually, pine nuts are SO bad most people never feed them. The best foods are those that have a ratio of 2:1.

You mentioned mushrooms. I actually forgot that mushrooms have a bad ratio. (1:29) They are good for Vitamin D but they are very high in phosphorus. Flyers get them for the Vitamin D because they are nocturnal and don't get much from sunlight. Squirrels can have mushrooms but moderation is important.

I think the key is variety. Some veggies are better than others.
Don't go overboard on the high phosphorus foods. Nuts and seeds are especially bad. Actually seeds are much worse than nuts. That's why they are considered treats only.

Last but not least.... All of this information highlights WHY feeding rodent block is SO important. Rodent blocks have been formulated to meet the nutritional needs of rodents. They contain vitamins and minerals that are needed for good health. We can't match the diet that squirrels get in nature so we do the best we can. The rodent block helps to fill in the gaps that exist due to our inability to match a natural diet that they would normally eat.

This was probably way TMI :tilt but I hope it gives you an idea about selecting foods. Nutrition is very complex and involves a lot more than just calcium and phosphorus but we highlight that because most of the problems we see are related to MBD.
Not at all tmi!! Ty very much!! I want all the info in the world for my babys health n happiness!! She didn't eat the mushrooms anyway. N I've eliminated the seeds completely, she stopped eating them anyway. N nuts were given once or twice a month due to her being over weight. Her main diet was fruits veggies n blocks cuttle bones. She barely eats the fruits n doesn't eat the blocks anymore. Her fav for dinner was raw yam. She barely eats that now too. Til Henry's picky blocks get here I have to get her to eat something so it's been avocado n white sweet corn cob, which she is now snubbing that. N she had two almonds yesterday. Today I mixed two blocks that I have w one tums tab n nut butter. Hopefully she eats it BC it's all I offered her.
Thank u so much for the info n helping me so much!! I didn't look at the links yet but will ASAP.
I bought vit d3 but saw any vits in pill form r a no no. N the vita drops r bad which I don't have anyway. I'm assuming the links will give me the info I need to make sure she gets the nutrition she needs. The tums label says calcium carbonate, is that OK for now? N when the blocks get here will that b enough to get her on track? I'm sorry to ask stupid questions. I'm just so worried n beyond exhausted over all this. I have health issues so it's been taking a toll on me eventho if I were healthy it still would BC she my world!! I need her!! She makes me feel like I purpose plus the bond we have is amazing. I love her more than anything in this world!! I can't loose her as I'm sure I've said before lol. Is her tail loosing fur due to deficiency or shedding foe winter? I think it's BC she has stopped eating mostly everything I give her. I just hope het energy level stays up. GOD forbid it doesn't!! It's like she's too busy to eat. Just wants to play play play. N is showing interest outside. Runs from one window to the next. Then jumps on me n plays. She's in a sunroom so she gas plenty of room to run n play. Her cage is back there to but she is never locked in there. She likes to chill on the top of it so I kept it back there for her. I'm getting off track here. R the Henry's picky blocks enough to get her on track n get the proper nutrition? Now I think nk I'm repeating myself. Gonna look at the links now. Thanks again!! I'm forever in ur debt!!

[SandyC]

Just read links. What an eye opener!! So basically everything is bad lol. The ratio should be 2:1 right? It seemed like collard greens n greens in that family r the only ones that r safe n oranges. I tried kale before which she didn't eat. She's never was big on the veggies except for the yam. But I c thats bad. U better believe that as soon as those Henry's blocks get here that's all she's getting!! Thanks again. I'll keep u posted. In the meantime she has to eat something so it has to b almonds n avocado til those blocks get here. I read that if a squirrel does not eat anything in a 24 hr period they will die. Is this true? I tried to do alot of research before I took her in so would b prepared but boy m I way off. I'm going to offer her a piece of orange BC right now her blocks r mixed w peanut butter n I just saw the ratio is terrible!! Thanks again!! As far as the tums, is it still OK to give eventho it's calcium carbonate? N how often is a treat such as fruit or seeds or nuts OK to b given? She only got nuts once or twice a month. N the pumpkin seeds once a day but I'm sure it was too many. Thankfully she's over weight so whatever weight has been lost has brought her to a good weight now. That's y she only got the nuts once or twice a month. Socagain how often can she get treats?

[SandyC]

Here's the link to the MBD protocol.
Follow this, and you can't go wrong.
Remember with the tums, what you are looking for is the elemental calcium.
Let me look for a thread that may help you with the tums.

EDIT:



MBD Protocol:
https://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?32122-MBD-Treatment

So I just got back from buying endive, snap peas, collards, kale, beet greens n something else I think. She chewed on all of them got me so excited n spit it all out. Guess I can't expect a miracle on day one. I'm just worried she's using energy she doesn't have anymore fro the lack of food. I now know I was over feeding her so maybe she's eating enough. Idk I'm just so stressed. My friend has the high protein Henry's blocks n giving them to me tomoro. I'll try them til the picky blocks get here. I saw she ate sone of the nut butter mixed w tums n my blocks but not that much. I said f it, here nyka take a tums. She ate some of it n hid it in my hand lol. I'm sorry I keep posting n bothering everyone I'm just so worried about my baby. Thanks again!! Fingers crossed everyone!!

[SandyC]

Here you go, read the parts where the green arrows are:
This will explain about elemental calcium.
On this particular bottle remember it states the elemental calcium is for 2 tums.

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-G8Ghf2g/0/f438dffd/O/i-G8Ghf2g.jpg

Very helpful!! Thank u!! So she has one tab that she chewed alil of n one tab in her block nut butter mix so that 1500÷2= 600mg of calcium. Ty very very much!!!

[SandyC]

The calcium carbonate is exactly what you want. There are other forms of calcium but we usually use the calcium carbonate because it is readily available AND a more important reason is because most calcium supplements have Vitamin D in them. While it is fine to oversupplement with calcium (while treating MBD), it is NOT OK to oversupplement Vitamin D. Vitamin D is used as a rodenticide (rat poison) by some manufacturers of that product. Too much Vitamin D is harmful or can be lethal. Squirrels do need Vitamin D for calcium uptake but please be careful. A highly respected vet in FL said it is OK to add a TINY pinch of Vitamin D3 when treating for MBD. Just be careful.

Cuddle bones are great. The fact that she 'chews the crap' out of it shows that she is calcium deficient. Most squirrels ignore them but when their body craves it they will really go after it.

The blocks will be there in a few days. I wouldn't add anything right now other than the treatment. I think you will find that she likes the Henry blocks. 2 per day is what she would get unless she is large and then she could have 3 maximum per day. Store them in the freezer as they have no preservatives.
She always craved the bones since she was a baby n weaning off formula. She did ignore for quite awhile but I saw she started to chew them again. Thank u!! That helps me. She was bigger BC I know now I over fed her n she was a chunker but now she's at a good weight. Just hope she doesn't lose anymore!
Thanks again!!

[SandyC]

I have never heard if Vita prima subscription blocks. Can you tell me about them? Sounds like you have done a lot of work yourself on learning about diet. Good for you!

Squirrels do wax and wane on eating, and the first thing to go is eating block.
Please start the MBD protocol. It won't hurt and it could be vital.

I am looking up the food vita prima sunscription block to see what it is made of. Are u using the Rat, mouse, and gerbil formula or Critter Cubes Formulated diet.

We are in the process of trying to figure out where your girls diet is . It sounds better than first thought if you are feeding the block. Remember block needs to be 80% of her diet. If you have been feeding Rat, Mouse, and Gerbil Formula (seed mix) then you MUST start MBD treatment without delay, also many people 'feed' block but their squirrels don't eat enough of the block, but instead eat the other goodies, which is not a proper diet to prevent MBD. That is why we are suggesting to start the treatment
Until we have more info on what is going on. One symptom of MBD is lack of appetite.

Let us know how she is doing!

Trysh
Successfully syringed half her tums solution. Other half this afternoon. Yay!!

[SandyC]

Is there a way to upload videos to this forum?

[SandyC]

Here's the link to the MBD protocol.
Follow this, and you can't go wrong.
Remember with the tums, what you are looking for is the elemental calcium.
Let me look for a thread that may help you with the tums.

EDIT:



MBD Protocol:
https://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?32122-MBD-Treatment

Thank u very much! This is very helpful. I changed her diet completely. Lots of veggies (not that she really eating them). Started the mbd tx yesterday. Was able to syringe feed her about 500mg calcium from tums. Is it OK to give her plain yogurt? I'm hoping her Henry's picking blocks get here today! More importantly I hope she likes them!! Fingers crossed please. Thanks again.

[SandyC]

Is it OK to give my one yr old gray plain yogurt? I started her on tums yesterday. Was able to syringe feed her about 500mg. I'd like to add some yogurt for even more calcium due to the syringe feeding being pretty difficult. Apparently her diet was way off. I ordered Henry's picky blocks. She was eating the blocks I had for her but stopped eating them, w pretty much everything else I fed her. I changed her diet to more veggies which she barely touches. Her energy is thru the roof. It's like she's too busy to eat. Just wants to play play play. N now she's running from one window to next. She lives in a sun room. So there's lots of windows but I know that she's not getting the proper sun exposure she needs for vita d. I started a thread about a WK ago when I joined n got so much feed back so I'm on the right the track now but still would like to add extra calcium til her blocks arrive. So long story long, is yogurt allowed?

[SandyC]

Some pix of my baby girl. Most r w her winter coat

[SandyC]

More recent pix

[redwuff]

I can tell how much you love your girl!:Love_Icon!

Thank you so much for listening and learning and giving us feedback. It makes every effort we put in on this board worthwhile.:hug

[SandyC]

I can tell how much you love your girl!:Love_Icon!

Thank you so much for listening and learning and giving us feedback. It makes every effort we put in on this board worthwhile.:hug

My pleasure n thank u very much for ur help!!
Is it OK to give her yogurt for more calcium? I've been giving her the tums by syringe but it was pretty difficult. Hopefully her Henry's picky blocks arrive today. Thanks again!! It means so much to me :glomp:blowkiss

[HRT4SQRLS]

Yes, she can have yogurt. Some love it... others won't touch it.
I just love your pics. :grin2
Nyla looks really good. Very beautiful.

[HRT4SQRLS]

Is there a way to upload videos to this forum?

There is, but I don't know how to do it. :embar

[lennysmom]

I have a non releasable squirrel that doesn't eat well and I give her yogurt daily for the extra calcium - the only kind I've found that she will eat consistently is the Yobaby vanilla yogurt.

As far as videos are concerned, I just upload my videos to YouTube and then post the link here on my thread so everyone can view it. But if you prefer to actually post the video clip on the board, you can copy that link and click the little video strip icon up at the top of your screen, paste the link in the box and that should work too.

You little Nyka is just so precious!:Love_Icon

[SandyC]

Sorry we are cross posting. Hrt4SQRLS is right on. Give us sometime like I said so we can figure things out and be in real time with each other.

My six year old grey used to do what it sounds like your girl is doing. She would go off her food and have super high energy. Although she would spend part of her day going from one window to another. It seems that in late summer there is a migration of squirrels from the area and I always thought my girl could feel the urge for movement also. This would last for a few weeks and I would frantically try and figure out how to get her to eat quality food during that time. It would happen each year at the same time of year for several weeks.

I like what you did with crushing up your block and mixing it with a nut butter. Way to go!
Henry's blocks just got here n nyka is gobbling them up!!! Im so happy I could pass out!! I was so worried BC she wasn't eating much n her tail was thinning n her coat just didn't feel as silky. I can't thank all of u enough for all ur help!!!
So, does she just eat these from now on? Breakfast, lunch, dinner? N an almond or piece of fruit here n there, not on daily basis. The blocks have all she needs for proper nutrition right?

[HRT4SQRLS]

Sandy, the Henrys blocks are a supplement block. Depending on her size, she can have either 2 or 3 per day. If she's a big girl she can have 3 max. If she eats more than that, she will be over supplementing. Remember, the Henrys are packed with vitamins and minerals. I would buy some Harlan Teklad 2016 blocks online. They are a 'normal' rodent block but IMO they are one of the better rodent blocks. She can have Teklad blocks free choice. I think they have a new company. I don't think it's Harlan but if you google it, it comes right up. The company sells LARGE bags... like 33 lbs. There are resellers that aliquot them in smaller portions and sell them as 1,2 or 5 lbs bags. Amazon sells them.

She still needs healthy veggies. She can have a little fruit as a treat and a nut as a treat. With her history I would hold off on the nuts for a while. When she is eating a 'complete' healthy diet, then she could get a nut per day as a treat (at the end of the day).

[SandyC]

I have a non releasable squirrel that doesn't eat well and I give her yogurt daily for the extra calcium - the only kind I've found that she will eat consistently is the Yobaby vanilla yogurt.

As far as videos are concerned, I just upload my videos to YouTube and then post the link here on my thread so everyone can view it. But if you prefer to actually post the video clip on the board, you can copy that link and click the little video strip icon up at the top of your screen, paste the link in the box and that should work too.

You little Nyka is just so precious!:Love_Icon

Thank u very much!! She's my baby!! Her Henry's picky blocks just got here n she's gobbling them up!! I posted a new thread but might as well ask, can I stop the tums treatment now? N r the blocks enough to b eaten w o anything else as part of her diet? She's just so picky n has recently snubbed everything I've offered her. Maybe once her calcium n vit d levels get on track she'll get more of an appetite? Luckily she was a chunker so the weight she lost has made her weight perfect. Her tail also started to thin n her coat doesn't feel as silky so I'm assuming once her levels r normal she'll get her beautiful fluffy tail back n silky soft coat? Or is she going thru a shedding period for her winter coat? Sorry for so many questions I just love her so much n she means the world to me. I have the nutrition chart but again BC of her pickiness I was hoping the blocks r enough. Thanks again everyone!! I'm so happy I could dance all day n night!! As far as the videos ty for that info as well. I'm sure I won't b able to do it lol but I'll try. Thanks again!! :grouphug:Love_Icon:glomp:fireworks:thankyou

As far as ur baby, I was giving her plenty of cuttle bones n she loves Ecotrition yogies. They're lil yogurt chips that come in different flavors. I didn't realise my babys diet was all wrong. I gave her fruit for breakfast the wrong kind of blocks but she ate them n she loved yam for dinner. Very rarely did I give her nuts. N I was guilty of feeding her pumpkin seeds once a day. I'd try the Henry's picky eater blocks. Nyka was snubbing everything n I just gave her two about 20 mins ago n she loves them! She better keep loving them, I've done enough worrying for a life time! Even when she ate like a pig I worried lol. Good luck, n I hope the info I gave u helps!!

[lennysmom]

Thank u very much!! She's my baby!! Her Henry's picky blocks just got here n she's gobbling them up!! I posted a new thread but might as well ask, can I stop the tums treatment now? N r the blocks enough to b eaten w o anything else as part of her diet? She's just so picky n has recently snubbed everything I've offered her. Maybe once her calcium n vit d levels get on track she'll get more of an appetite? Luckily she was a chunker so the weight she lost has made her weight perfect. Her tail also started to thin n her coat doesn't feel as silky so I'm assuming once her levels r normal she'll get her beautiful fluffy tail back n silky soft coat? Or is she going thru a shedding period for her winter coat? Sorry for so many questions I just love her so much n she means the world to me. I have the nutrition chart but again BC of her pickiness I was hoping the blocks r enough. Thanks again everyone!! I'm so happy I could dance all day n night!! As far as the videos ty for that info as well. I'm sure I won't b able to do it lol but I'll try. Thanks again!! :grouphug:Love_Icon:glomp:fireworks:thankyou

As far as ur baby, I was giving her plenty of cuttle bones n she loves Ecotrition yogies. They're lil yogurt chips that come in different flavors. I didn't realise my babys diet was all wrong. I gave her fruit for breakfast the wrong kind of blocks but she ate them n she loved yam for dinner. Very rarely did I give her nuts. N I was guilty of feeding her pumpkin seeds once a day. I'd try the Henry's picky eater blocks. Nyka was snubbing everything n I just gave her two about 20 mins ago n she loves them! She better keep loving them, I've done enough worrying for a life time! Even when she ate like a pig I worried lol. Good luck, n I hope the info I gave u helps!!

Her coat and tail will definitely start to fill out and look better after she has received proper nutrition for a while.:) Since I've never dealt with possible MBD in a squirrel, I'm not sure if it is necessary for you to continue the tums or not - I'll leave that answer for those with experience in that.

As far as her being a picky eater, a big part of that may be her adjusting to her new diet, kind of like a little kid that's used to eating junk food and then doesn't want to eat the healthy stuff. Hopefully once she adjusts, she will start eating her veggies better. I do have one very picky eater who I have a constant struggle with to get her to eat sometimes - I have to keep her on a very strict diet and limit her treats until I see her eating her healthy stuff.

So happy to hear you little Nyka is doing better.:w00t A healthy diet truly does make a world of difference in these little ones.:thumbsup I'm glad she has a mama that cares enough about her to make the needed diet adjustments so she can be a happy and healthy little girl.:Love_Icon

[SandyC]

Sandy, the Henrys blocks are a supplement block. Depending on her size, she can have either 2 or 3 per day. If she's a big girl she can have 3 max. If she eats more than that, she will be over supplementing. Remember, the Henrys are packed with vitamins and minerals. I would buy some Harlan Teklad 2016 blocks online. They are a 'normal' rodent block but IMO they are one of the better rodent blocks. She can have Teklad blocks free choice. I think they have a new company. I don't think it's Harlan but if you google it, it comes right up. The company sells LARGE bags... like 33 lbs. There are resellers that aliquot them in smaller portions and sell them as 1,2 or 5 lbs bags. Amazon sells them.

She still needs healthy veggies. She can have a little fruit as a treat and a nut as a treat. With her history I would hold off on the nuts for a while. When she is eating a 'complete' healthy diet, then she could get a nut per day as a treat (at the end of the day).
OK. So the picky blocks shouldn't b part of her diet for ever? R they just to get her eating again n get her nutrition back on track? I gave her three yesterday but she only ate two n today I gave her two but she's being her picky self n not really eating them. It is early in the am so maybe she's not hungry yet. She used to eat as soon as she woke up that's y I'm still concerned. My friend has the regular adult Henry's blocks that she's going to give me. Should I give her the picky blocks n switch to the other ones once this bag is done? I did get her to eat two small pieces of cucumber last pm before bed. OK so as I understand it, the blocks r needed as part of her diet w veggies. She's so picky w veggies. Always has been. I think that's how I got into bad habits w her. I was worried she was gonna starve. Anyway- can a small piece of fruit be given daily? I used to give her that in the morning. She started to even snub her fruits. Her whole attitude has changed over the past two wks. Snubbing everything I usually gave her n her energy has sky rocketed. She also seems to be very interested in what's going on outside. Could this be BC she reached adulthood? Can squirrels suddenly change their taste for foods? I tried to mix it up so she wouldn't get bored. But the veggies have always been a problem. I just bought endive, collards, beet greens, snap peas, kale, snubs them all. Can I assume she won't starve herself n will eat what she's given learning that she has to eat or she'll die? GOD FORBID!! N nuts aren't going anywhere near her for a long time. I never gave her alot in the first place. Maybe one or two almonds or a piece of walnut once or twice a month. Once she's back on track, she can have them every night? N I know now no seeds!! Thank u so much for responding!!

[HRT4SQRLS]

OK. So the picky blocks shouldn't b part of her diet for ever? R they just to get her eating again n get her nutrition back on track? I gave her three yesterday but she only ate two n today I gave her two but she's being her picky self n not really eating them. It is early in the am so maybe she's not hungry yet. She used to eat as soon as she woke up that's y I'm still concerned. My friend has the regular adult Henry's blocks that she's going to give me. Should I give her the picky blocks n switch to the other ones once this bag is done? I did get her to eat two small pieces of cucumber last pm before bed. OK so as I understand it, the blocks r needed as part of her diet w veggies. She's so picky w veggies. Always has been. I think that's how I got into bad habits w her. I was worried she was gonna starve. Anyway- can a small piece of fruit be given daily? I used to give her that in the morning. She started to even snub her fruits. Her whole attitude has changed over the past two wks. Snubbing everything I usually gave her n her energy has sky rocketed. She also seems to be very interested in what's going on outside. Could this be BC she reached adulthood? Can squirrels suddenly change their taste for foods? I tried to mix it up so she wouldn't get bored. But the veggies have always been a problem. I just bought endive, collards, beet greens, snap peas, kale, snubs them all. Can I assume she won't starve herself n will eat what she's given learning that she has to eat or she'll die? GOD FORBID!! N nuts aren't going anywhere near her for a long time. I never gave her alot in the first place. Maybe one or two almonds or a piece of walnut once or twice a month. Once she's back on track, she can have them every night? N I know now no seeds!! Thank u so much for responding!!

OK, A lot of questions to answer here. If I miss something ask again.
First... the blocks will always be part of her diet... forever.
You can switch between the picky eater block OR the adult blocks at any time.
The reason I suggested the picky eater block is because they are supposedly more palatable. I believe they have more nuts in them. I would assume that they also have more minerals to counterbalance the negative aspects of the nuts but I'm not sure how that works. If she gets tired of the picky eater block, you could try the adult block.

You're going to have to be the bad momma to enforce the healthy diet. It's called tough love. In the morning you give her one block. Nothing else. She will NOT starve herself. When she eats the block you can give her a bowl of healthy veggies. I would not offer fruit in the morning. It is a treat, not a staple. You don't want her filling up on a 'treat' food. I would give a second block in the evening. You could also offer a rodent block like Harlan Teklad but seriously, I doubt she will eat it. IF she has been a good girl and has eaten her block I might give a small piece of fruit as a late evening snack. She is not going to cooperate. She will resist but you have to be strong.
She won't starve herself. When she eats a proper diet she can have an evening nut. I suspect that will be a LONG time in the future. An occasional in shell nut is good for keeping the teeth filed. You can also give her oak branches to chew. They LOVE to chew branches. Make sure any branch you give her is on the 'safe tree' list.

Yes... they do change what they eat quite often. Today they will eat snap peas or kale ... tomorrow they hate them. It is a constant battle to find foods that they will eat, especially the picky eaters. That's why it's so important to start them on a healthy diet when they are babies. Babies started out on a proper diet are usually good eaters.

Remind me how old she is. I would continue supplementing with the Tums per the MBD protocol. If her appetite picks up and she starts eating healthy you might be able to start backing down on the calcium. If you notice regarding the MBD protocol, you would start reducing the amount of calcium on a weekly basis anyway.

[SandyC]

Yes, she can have yogurt. Some love it... others won't touch it.
I just love your pics. :grin2
Nyla looks really good. Very beautiful.

Thank u. She didn't like it of course. I'm gonna get some more yogies. They're lil yogurt chips. She really likes them. But now I have the Henry's picky blocks so hopefully she keeps eating them. Today she just nibbled on them. Fingers crossed everyone! Please! N thanks again!! Ur guys r the best!!

[SandyC]

OK, A lot of questions to answer here. If I miss something ask again.
First... the blocks will always be part of her diet... forever.
You can switch between the picky eater block OR the adult blocks at any time.
The reason I suggested the picky eater block is because they are supposedly more palatable. I believe they have more nuts in them. I would assume that they also have more minerals to counterbalance the negative aspects of the nuts but I'm not sure how that works. If she gets tired of the picky eater block, you could try the adult block.

You're going to have to be the bad momma to enforce the healthy diet. It's called tough love. In the morning you give her one block. Nothing else. She will NOT starve herself. When she eats the block you can give her a bowl of healthy veggies. I would not offer fruit in the morning. It is a treat, not a staple. You don't want her filling up on a 'treat' food. I would give a second block in the evening. You could also offer a rodent block like Harlan Teklad but seriously, I doubt she will eat it. IF she has been a good girl and has eaten her block I might give a small piece of fruit as a late evening snack. She is not going to cooperate. She will resist but you have to be strong.
She won't starve herself. When she eats a proper diet she can have an evening nut. I suspect that will be a LONG time in the future. An occasional in shell nut is good for keeping the teeth filed. You can also give her oak branches to chew. They LOVE to chew branches. Make sure any branch you give her is on the 'safe tree' list.

Yes... they do change what they eat quite often. Today they will eat snap peas or kale ... tomorrow they hate them. It is a constant battle to find foods that they will eat, especially the picky eaters. That's why it's so important to start them on a healthy diet when they are babies. Babies started out on a proper diet are usually good eaters.

Remind me how old she is. I would continue supplementing with the Tums per the MBD protocol. If her appetite picks up and she starts eating healthy you might be able to start backing down on the calcium. If you notice regarding the MBD protocol, you would start reducing the amount of calcium on a weekly basis anyway.

Thank u so much!! Tough love it is then. I just wanted to make sure she won't starve herself. She's already lost some weight but she needed to BC she was a chunky monkey. She is approx 14 months old. I gave her one block this am. Gave her some veggies on a plate but didn't give her much time to eat the block. OK. So a block in the am. Change em up so she doesn't get bored. N veggies after she eats her block. Another block in the evening. Veggies for dinner. Fruit only in the evening if she's a good girl lol. Nuts ain't happenin any time soon. Seeds never again. I'm going to get her the yogurt chips formulated for rodents like I did before. She really liked them. The time has been very difficult that's y I want to get the chips. Just alil extra calcium w the picky blocks. Thanks again!! Uve really been a huge help!! I posted some more pics on my other thread. Hope u get to c them.

[SandyC]

OK, A lot of questions to answer here. If I miss something ask again.
First... the blocks will always be part of her diet... forever.
You can switch between the picky eater block OR the adult blocks at any time.
The reason I suggested the picky eater block is because they are supposedly more palatable. I believe they have more nuts in them. I would assume that they also have more minerals to counterbalance the negative aspects of the nuts but I'm not sure how that works. If she gets tired of the picky eater block, you could try the adult block.

You're going to have to be the bad momma to enforce the healthy diet. It's called tough love. In the morning you give her one block. Nothing else. She will NOT starve herself. When she eats the block you can give her a bowl of healthy veggies. I would not offer fruit in the morning. It is a treat, not a staple. You don't want her filling up on a 'treat' food. I would give a second block in the evening. You could also offer a rodent block like Harlan Teklad but seriously, I doubt she will eat it. IF she has been a good girl and has eaten her block I might give a small piece of fruit as a late evening snack. She is not going to cooperate. She will resist but you have to be strong.
She won't starve herself. When she eats a proper diet she can have an evening nut. I suspect that will be a LONG time in the future. An occasional in shell nut is good for keeping the teeth filed. You can also give her oak branches to chew. They LOVE to chew branches. Make sure any branch you give her is on the 'safe tree' list.

Yes... they do change what they eat quite often. Today they will eat snap peas or kale ... tomorrow they hate them. It is a constant battle to find foods that they will eat, especially the picky eaters. That's why it's so important to start them on a healthy diet when they are babies. Babies started out on a proper diet are usually good eaters.

Remind me how old she is. I would continue supplementing with the Tums per the MBD protocol. If her appetite picks up and she starts eating healthy you might be able to start backing down on the calcium. If you notice regarding the MBD protocol, you would start reducing the amount of calcium on a weekly basis anyway.

I forgot to mention she has plenty to chew on. Alot of wood. Some of the wood is from old stools ect. Is that safe? She also loves to chew on plastic bottles. Her teeth r perfect. Knock on wood. She also has cuttle bones that she chews on n off. Thanks again!!

[HRT4SQRLS]

I forgot to mention she has plenty to chew on. Alot of wood. Some of the wood is from old stools ect. Is that safe? She also loves to chew on plastic bottles. Her teeth r perfect. Knock on wood. She also has cuttle bones that she chews on n off. Thanks again!!

She can chew wood. I wouldn't let her chew painted wood.

I definitely would NOT let her chew plastic bottles. I lost a flying squirrel this year. The death was sudden and unexpected. He was only 4 years old. He had a horrible habit of chewing anything plastic. I'm not talking about a little nibbling. I'm talking about turning anything plastic into plastic dust. He got more out of cage time than my other boys. As I cleaned the areas (after he passed) that he liked to hang out in (like drawers in his room), I was horrified at the amount of plastic that he chewed. He sought it out. When I saw that, I remembered a documentary that I had seen about sea birds (albatross) ingesting the plastic litter in the ocean. Midway island is littered with thousands of dead and dying sea birds. ALL of the carcasses had plastic in the gut.
I couldn't help but wonder if my boy had died from ingested plastic. If he ingest just a little of what he chewed .... :(
I'll never know but I'll always suspect it and it will always haunt me. :sadness

NO plastic. Branches are much safer. I actually prefer branches to wood. I know some give their squirrels short blocks of wood and they pulverize them into toothpicks. Now, I'm even afraid of that because if they ingest a straight, hard piece of wood, it could be a gut puncture risk.

[SandyC]

She can chew wood. I wouldn't let her chew painted wood.

I definitely would NOT let her chew plastic bottles. I lost a flying squirrel this year. The death was sudden and unexpected. He was only 4 years old. He had a horrible habit of chewing anything plastic. I'm not talking about a little nibbling. I'm talking about turning anything plastic into plastic dust. He got more out of cage time than my other boys. As I cleaned the areas (after he passed) that he liked to hang out in (like drawers in his room), I was horrified at the amount of plastic that he chewed. He sought it out. When I saw that, I remembered a documentary that I had seen about sea birds (albatross) ingesting the plastic litter in the ocean. Midway island is littered with thousands of dead and dying sea birds. ALL of the carcasses had plastic in the gut.
I couldn't help but wonder if my boy had died from ingested plastic. If he ingest just a little of what he chewed .... :(
I'll never know but I'll always suspect it and it will always haunt me. :sadness

NO plastic. Branches are much safer. I actually prefer branches to wood. I know some give their squirrels short blocks of wood and they pulverize them into toothpicks. Now, I'm even afraid of that because if they ingest a straight, hard piece of wood, it could be a gut puncture risk.
Holy sh*t!! I'll take all the plastic out of her room. The stools in her sunroom aren't painted but they're stained. She doesn't really chew on them too much. I do worry that she's chewing the walls. Is there a spray I can use to offend her n keep her from chewing. It's not that much or that often but I worry about every lil thing w her so I'd like her to stop. I have a maple tree is that safe for her to chew on? I'll cut some branches off of it tomoro. In her cage she has alot of very thick branches to climb n play on but that was when she was a baby. Now she's never ever caged. It's basically just there for her water n she likes to lay on top of it w her blankie. I looked on line for safe trees but I don't trust the internet anymore since they totally misguided me on her diet. I didn't learn what her diet should b n so much more, til I joined this forum. Oh I do get her the wooden toys that r made for chewing. But it says rodents, n as I'm learning, squirrels r very different from other rodents. I also get her cuttle bones to chew on for calcium n her teeth. After I get the branches, I'd like to wash them off, is that OK? I'm afraid she doesn't have enough of an immunity for anything that's outside. I wish she did BC I'd love to get her a leash n get her outside for alil bit to get some sun for the vit d. OK I think I've taken up enough of ur time. Thank u so very much!! It means alot to me that all of u have been so kind n informative!

[SandyC]

Her coat and tail will definitely start to fill out and look better after she has received proper nutrition for a while.:) Since I've never dealt with possible MBD in a squirrel, I'm not sure if it is necessary for you to continue the tums or not - I'll leave that answer for those with experience in that.

As far as her being a picky eater, a big part of that may be her adjusting to her new diet, kind of like a little kid that's used to eating junk food and then doesn't want to eat the healthy stuff. Hopefully once she adjusts, she will start eating her veggies better. I do have one very picky eater who I have a constant struggle with to get her to eat sometimes - I have to keep her on a very strict diet and limit her treats until I see her eating her healthy stuff.

So happy to hear you little Nyka is doing better.:w00t A healthy diet truly does make a world of difference in these little ones.:thumbsup I'm glad she has a mama that cares enough about her to make the needed diet adjustments so she can be a happy and healthy little girl.:Love_Icon
I think I replied to u in the wrong quoted text. I just wanted to make sure I thanked u for responding n that I'm grateful for the info u have given me. Some where in this thread there's a reply to u n I'm sure it's as long as can be lol.

[HRT4SQRLS]

Maple branches are fine. Some people wash them. I usually don't. On the healthy diet link you will find the safe trees. This is a screen shot.



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[SandyC]

Maple branches are fine. Some people wash them. I usually don't. On the healthy diet link you will find the safe trees. This is a screen shot.



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Ur thr best!! Thank u so much!! Just got some maple branches all washed up n ready to go. Thanks again!!

[SandyC]

Maple branches are fine. Some people wash them. I usually don't. On the healthy diet link you will find the safe trees. This is a screen shot.



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Thank u again! She tore those branches up lol!!