ANOTHER injury?

[Coffeeculturegvl]

My injury posts are getting too frequent, but I'm here again unfortunately.
It's probably life threatening, but I hope it's not too late.
So, this afternoon a squirrel comes running up to my window who I believe is one of my rehabs. As he comes closer I realize there's something wrong with the squirrel and I close the window almost all the way. The squirrel comes up and in many ways looks like my rehab, but this one is seriously injured. He was missing a third of his tail, and his snout was kind of black and extremely swollen, the rest of his face was slightly swollen and between the two they obscured any POSITIVE facial recognition on my part, and he was having a lot of difficulty breathing properly. His eyes were gummy and he was sniffling and sneezing and obviously congested from what may have been an injury, a bite, a bad sting even? But he was acting desperate to get inside, reaching for me, and he was very very hungry. I opened the window just slightly more to get a better look at him and he literally squeezed himself through the crack and into my room. WHOA. He ran right over to where my rehabs know I have food (for my OTHER injured rehab recouping inside) and began to eat. He wasn't aggressive but he was hungry and thirsty. I honestly could not tell if he was my rehab and despite the fact he was acting relatively normal I treated it as though he were a wild local and kept my distance armed with thick gloves and a blanket in case he got aggressive. He finished gorging and ran back out the window. But he proceeded directly to the old release enclosure, went inside and ran directly into the nest box without hesitation. Thats something i would only expect a squirrel familiar with the box would do so readily, and especially if he were hurt and scared.
He's in bad, bad shape. I snuck some food and water into the RC but I wasn't about to disturb this squirrel in the nestbox not being CERTAIN who it is.
Same time, I'm desperate to help if it IS him.
I know this may sound silly, but I looked up rabies symptoms. Stuffed up, sneezing, darkened and swollen snout, gummy eyes weren't on any list of symptoms. No fear of a human and approaching...yes. Hungry, thirsty, and non-aggressive.
While I doubt it's rabies, what could this be other than injury? The missing tail bit looks like it could have a fresh wound at the tip, but honestly it was difficult to tell without getting close....which I wasn't going to do yet. The base of the tail has a distinctive short hair spot that matches my rehab's.
He could be in that nestbox dying without help.
Plenty says this one IS mine, but reason says it might NOT be and I don't know what to do.
I'm hoping mine will come by in the morning and I'll know that way. But I'll post this tonight just in case I still need advice early in the morning.

[island rehabber]

To me, all signs point to him being one of yours, and most of those signs point to injuries incurred while fighting during mating season, which it still is right now. THis poor boy needs some R&R...any way to enclose him for a day or two in the release pen?

[UDoWhat]

Wow, this guy needs help. I took a released rescue to a vet back a year or so with similar sounding symptoms. I thought he might have been hbc or face plant from a fall. It turned out to be a respiratory issue nut very similar symptoms. Any chance of getting a picture of his face? Let me see what antibiotics were used. Do you guys experience bortatella down there?

I cant imagine a wild exhibiting the behavior you described. I would have to assume that it is one of mine. Can you get this needy one to the vet? Prayers to you and yours:grouphug

[Coffeeculturegvl]

This is definitely an infection more than any possible underlying injury crisis.
He's bubbling snot/infection from his nose and has pretty significant retractions in order to breathe, plus the eyes are infected too. I fear the inside of the mouth, also based on how difficult eating is for him.

We did have a regular local young male come to the window who came just inside on the windowsill and let my husband pet it. He thought he was one of ours! So, theres definitely one who is quite docile and could *possibly?* be who I have in the enclosure now.
I was a bad girl and shared prescription meds with this guy. My broken-arm rehabbing-rehab has a broad spectrum antibiotic, meloxicam, and tramadol. I gave this guy a solid dose of antibiotics and meloxicam but left out the tramadol because of his breathing problems. I smeared it on some nuts which he is slowly consuming. I mixed more into a tsp of honey, but he won't touch it.
So he's getting SOME antibiotics but nowhere near enough, I'm sure.
I don't know what's up with the black around his nose. I'm assuming it's blood or dirty snot or both.

I could get him to the vet, yes...probably... not sure if I'd try the pet carrier or just take down the nestbox with him in it. I have hope, but it looks like the infection might be too advanced? I thought he wouldn't last overnight. He's definitely worse today, tho.
Someone with experience have an opinion based on the photos?
I haven't seen *my* rehab boy (for certain) outside the last few days. Last time I saw him, I held him and he didn't appear sick. But also, the other friendly little guy has been MIA for a week+. Whoever this is showed up RAVENOUS. Maybe it's just a desperate local.

I cant describe very well how ODD a situation I'm in not knowing who this is. He acts like mine in SO many ways, but looks different enough I'd normally say nope, not mine.
One minute I think absolutely not and so I don't want to try and hold him for an exam or cleaning. Then, I think OMG, it must be him no matter what he looks like because how he acts and why am I not DOING something.

The first photo is the friendly local wild boy.
The 2nd and 3rd are the sick one taken this afternoon.
The 4th and 5th are both shots of my male rehab.

Please, tell me what you think about the illness and likeness to the other photos, considering what a tragic mess he is now.

[Nancy in New York]

I would put money on it that this is one of yours. NO doubt in my mind.
Unless a wild is almost on deaths door, their behavior is never like this
one displays.
Please keep us posted, he looks pitiful.
If you need help dosing, let us know. We can guesstimate the weight,
if you give us the name of the drug, and the strength/mg.

I would strongly urge a vet visit, asap.
:Love_Icon

[redwuff]

I know I feel responsible for all the sqees that are regulars or even passing through. But that is what my training is for. But handling a wild usually has me saying a few 'Hail Mary's' first. Even prior releases has me on high alert and extremely cautious.


I do hope you are able to get this boy seen. He is in horrible shape. Even if your help is to allow passing over in a quick and loving manner.

If he can be saved, are there any rehabbers who are close who could take him for rehab? He will need to be on antibiotics, maybe two different ones, that will have to be given orally to make sure he is getting them?

It has been a tough few months for you squirrel wise. Please know that you and your family are in my thoughts and prayers.:grouphug

Trysh

[Coffeeculturegvl]

Baby food. I have it to make nut bars for the local squirrels. Since he's having such a hard time eating I put some in a small dish. At the enclosure this one came up to the door knowing exactly what to do and how I was going to get in. So I bit the bullet and went in. He ran right up on my arm and started chowing down on this baby food, let me hold him up on his belly. He stretched out a bit like they do when nursing. Then ran back into the nestbox after he'd had about half of it. I have to assume he's mine. Despite what he looks like even I can't imagine a wild squirrel would act like that. I called my exotic vet and she said to take him as an emergency to the UF Veterinary Hospital. So I'm going to do that as soon as I can get him into a carrier of some kind. He does seem slightly better today. I hope the little bit of antibiotics I got in him has kept him going until now. I did get a really good look at his tail, though. The last third of his tail has been stripped and it's bone showing, not fur. Whatever is on his face is like a hard shell that he had to chew through to eat. But I wasn't about to stick my hands near his teeth just in the off chance I'm completely wrong.

[Coffeeculturegvl]

Update: Just had a 911 emergency with Grayson. I have ZERO doubt about that now. I ran some errands, came home, and he was almost dead. His breathing was so labored he was on his back and didn't even move when I opened up the nest box. Limp and barely responsive, so he went downhill FAST. He had a scab across his nose that I ripped off and called the vet hospital on my way there. I didn't think he was going to make it honestly. But we're here, he's stable and oxygenated, but he's lost his top teeth completely. So I officially have a pet now. He has infection in his cranial/sinus bones, eyes, along with the upper respiratory infection. We're beginning to think that he fell the same time as his brother 6 weeks ago which caused some damage, but he's had a slow-brewing infection this whole time. And I feel horrible that I waffled for 2 days on his identity and didnt get him in sooner.
Here's a serious, brutally honest question to everyone:
Would it be merciful to euthanize? NOT out of inconvenience to me, but quality of life for HIM. He'll be on baby food the rest of his life, I imagine, and in a cage. If a captive life is still better than euthanization, should I consider keeping his brother Nugget instead of releasing him once he's healed so Grayson's not alone forever?
I have 2 hours to decide before I'm supposed to go back to pick him up. Because if he should be put down, I can't bear to wait.

[Nancy in New York]

Update: Just had a 911 emergency with Grayson. I have ZERO doubt about that now. I ran some errands, came home, and he was almost dead. His breathing was so labored he was on his back and didn't even move when I opened up the nest box. Limp and barely responsive, so he went downhill FAST. He had a scab across his nose that I ripped off and called the vet hospital on my way there. I didn't think he was going to make it honestly. But we're here, he's stable and oxygenated, but he's lost his top teeth completely. So I officially have a pet now. He has infection in his cranial/sinus bones, eyes, along with the upper respiratory infection. We're beginning to think that he fell the same time as his brother 6 weeks ago which caused some damage, but he's had a slow-brewing infection this whole time. And I feel horrible that I waffled for 2 days on his identity and didnt get him in sooner.
Here's a serious, brutally honest question to everyone:
Would it be merciful to euthanize? NOT out of inconvenience to me, but quality of life for HIM. He'll be on baby food the rest of his life, I imagine, and in a cage. If a captive life is still better than euthanization, should I consider keeping his brother Nugget instead of releasing him once he's healed so Grayson's not alone forever?
I have 2 hours to decide before I'm supposed to go back to pick him up. Because if he should be put down, I can't bear to wait.

Personally I would NOT euthanize now.
You only euthanize once.
If he does not adapt to his life in captivity, then you may want to consider
that option sometime down the road.
Right now you don't know what his quality of life will be. Some accept it and
are glad about it.
Cross that bridge when and if he tells you differently.

I think he wants to live,
he came home knowing you would take care of him,
and that you are! :Love_Icon:hug:Love_Icon

[DarkLies212]

There have been a number of squirrels who lived in captivity without teeth happily! There's a ton of recipes on here for different food for these guys too. Soft Boo Balls, Soups, etc :)

I agree with Nancy - It all depends on their squirrel's personality. He'll be the one to tell you :hug

[redwuff]

I feel the same way as Nancy. One thing to think about is that he will have to have his bottom two incisors trimmed regularly.

[Jen413]

I have a feeling after everything that's happened he will be happy to live life as a "pet" squirrel! He still has his back teeth correct? I don't really see why he couldn't heal up and eat regular veggies and boo balls. I always say this to anyone asking about euthanizing: if you are questioning it, then it's not the right time. :Love_Icon

[TubeDriver]

I agree with every one else here. Help him heal, give him a choice but do not rush into euthanizing him. Make sure you are 100% committed before taking that last, final step. Lots of squirrels here have teeth issue but seem happy other wise as NRs.

I am sorry that an outdoor life did not work out for Grayson.:( But he knew to return home when he needed help!

[Coffeeculturegvl]

So I'm back to the original problem now of is this Grayson or not!! A friend pointed out to me that the tops of the paws of this squirrel are reddish brown. Grayson has gray tops. He was molting the last time I saw him, but I didn't think their COLORING changed. I understand that wilds aren't supposed to act this friendly, but I can't stop thinking about the fact that the young juvenile who came into the house has been fed by us since he came down from the tree. He's also been kind of unafraid from the very beginning. All the other local squirrels would barely even show their faces until I brought the rehabs outside. Now they'll all come almost right up to me to get fed since they've been watching my rehabs interacting safely with me. Yes, theyre skittish and wary still, but they arent dying either. If a wild were desperate AND familiar with us, couldn't it be that he breaks the general rule in this case?

[Nancy in New York]

So I'm back to the original problem now of is this Grayson or not!! A friend pointed out to me that the tops of the paws of this squirrel are reddish brown. Grayson has gray tops. He was molting the last time I saw him, but I didn't think their COLORING changed. I understand that wilds aren't supposed to act this friendly, but I can't stop thinking about the fact that the young juvenile who came into the house has been fed by us since he came down from the tree. He's also been kind of unafraid from the very beginning. All the other local squirrels would barely even show their faces until I brought the rehabs outside. Now they'll all come almost right up to me to get fed since they've been watching my rehabs interacting safely with me. Yes, theyre skittish and wary still, but they arent dying either. If a wild were desperate AND familiar with us, couldn't it be that he breaks the general rule in this case?

They DO change color, especially after molting.
This was one of my little reds during molting
See how red he was prior?
The second photo is after the molt.
Sorry I had no photos of a grey molting.

This little one needs your help,
thank you for being there to help him through this.
I have never ever seen a wild squirrel (not raised by a human)
behave the way this one is, ever.

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[Milo's Mom]

You can try and try and try to heal but you can euthanize ONCE. My vote is TRY!

As for teeth...I have a squirrel with NO incisors and know of another with no incisors and several with only one of each or only bottoms. It does deem them as an NR, but they all have fully enriched lives inside with their hoomins.

My squirrel, Snagamite has her own thread that she runs...check it out to see her life as a toothless wonder.

They are going to send him home with meds, right?

[Shewhosweptforest]

I agree with everyone....please give him a chance...he trusts you immensely from your description of his actions....as for his sibling....I would still release. Although, he may find comfort from his presence now...in a few months they may no longer get along and you will have to separate them. Grey Squirrels are pretty solitary in the wild...just some interactions....he will have you for company. Thank you so much for saving his life again....first as a baby :Love_Icon and then again now :bowdown

[Coffeeculturegvl]

GREAT NEWS! His top teeth are INTACT. One is a little wiggly but the vet said the massive amount of swelling obscured the teeth and they couldn't tell til he was under anesthesia and could be more thoroughly examined. So....he could be releasable!
He has massive infection still, though, and is staying overnight at the vet for observation and sinus flushing.
Identity is still a question, though. Unlikely, but I want to be sure before I put him with Nugget when he's better recovered .
I think maybe that Nugget could definitively end that problem of identity. Upon meeting through screen mesh, if Nugget's excited and wants to be with him, he's probably Grayson.
Carefully allowing close contact, if Nugget tries to GROOM him, there will be zero doubt again.
Because, say this one defies the odds and IS wild, when he feels better....he's still a toothy wild animal and I'm still a tender human.
Thoughts?

[Shewhosweptforest]

That's great news....but I don't think anyone doubts it's your boy....he just had too many trusting mannerisms to be a wild. Also, while it is good news....you should still keep him for a while to make sure there was no permanent damage to his tooth alignment....that would also be a death sentence in the wild :sadness but cross that bridge if it comes...right now:bliss so happy for the good news :serene

[Nancy in New York]

GREAT NEWS! His top teeth are INTACT. One is a little wiggly but the vet said the massive amount of swelling obscured the teeth and they couldn't tell til he was under anesthesia and could be more thoroughly examined. So....he could be releasable!
He has massive infection still, though, and is staying overnight at the vet for observation and sinus flushing.
Identity is still a question, though. Unlikely, but I want to be sure before I put him with Nugget when he's better recovered .
I think maybe that Nugget could definitively end that problem of identity. Upon meeting through screen mesh, if Nugget's excited and wants to be with him, he's probably Grayson.
Carefully allowing close contact, if Nugget tries to GROOM him, there will be zero doubt again.
Because, say this one defies the odds and IS wild, when he feels better....he's still a toothy wild animal and I'm still a tender human.
Thoughts?

This is great news!!!!!!!!!!:w00t
I'm thrilled.

How old is Grayson and how long has he been away from Nugget?
I only ask because a few years back (the story is written on the board)
I was babysitting 4 little squirrels ALL siblings. One had to go to the vets and be isolated for
a week from his siblings. They were still young enough ~7 weeks and they were in
two smaller cages on my table, right smack next to each other.
When I tried to reintroduce after a week, I got a LARGE cage so they would not
be territorial. They NEVER accepted him, as hard as I tried. I ended up having
them in TWO LARGE cages, 3 in one cage and a single in the other.

So if Nugget doesn't accept him, don't be disappointed.

[Shewhosweptforest]

:yeahthat so very true! :Love_Icon

[Mel1959]

WOW! I'm just now reading this and I feel very strongly that this is your released baby. Coming home when injured happens far too often for it to be coincidental. A wild would not have the same familiarity that this little guy has shown. Our released boys have shown a wild female that we are safe. She will jump on my husband and myself for treats, but I would NEVER expect her to go into the release cage or inside a nest box in the release cage even though she obviously trusts us enough for treats. What your guy is displaying is a learned behavior. Please, please take others advice and give him a chance. Euthanasia is final and forever.

[TubeDriver]

I can't imagine an injured wild acting like this. I have had injured wilds that were a few days away from death and they still were wary around me. Their colors and coat do change over time especially as they transition to full adulthood.

Great news about his teeth! Hopfully the AB and some time indoors to heal will be all he will need and he can be re-released!:great

[Mel1959]

I can't imagine an injured wild acting like this. I have had injured wilds that were a few days away from death and they still were wary around me. Their colors and coat do change over time especially as they transition to full adulthood.

Great news about his teeth! Hopfully the AB and some time indoors to heal will be all he will need and he can be re-released!:great

Hey Pete, you must have missed the part where she says that Grayson has no top teeth. I honestly don't know if they can regrow or not, but if not then he's obviously a non release. Plenty of squirrels on this board don't have incisors and do fine with food and life.

[Nancy in New York]

Hey Pete, you must have missed the part where she says that Grayson has no top teeth. I honestly don't know if they can regrow or not, but if not then he's obviously a non release. Plenty of squirrels on this board don't have incisors and do fine with food and life.

She posted this part Mel, you may have been typing at the time.


GREAT NEWS! His top teeth are INTACT. One is a little wiggly but the vet said the massive amount of swelling obscured the teeth and they couldn't tell til he was under anesthesia and could be more thoroughly examined. So....he could be releasable!

[Mel1959]

She posted this part Mel, you may have been typing at the time.

Oh! That's wonderful news! That's what must have happened....I missed this post completely! I am so happy for Grayson and coffeeculturegvl!! :grin2. I hope he recovers well and can be free in the trees once again!

[Mel1959]

Hey Pete, you must have missed the part where she says that Grayson has no top teeth. I honestly don't know if they can regrow or not, but if not then he's obviously a non release. Plenty of squirrels on this board don't have incisors and do fine with food and life.

Sorry Pete. :embar :embar:embar

[redwuff]

How is Grayson this morning? Wonderful news about the teeth!

[Coffeeculturegvl]

WOW! What a difference. Just wow. All three of mine have molted in the past and not changed color. But still.



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They DO change color, especially after molting.
This was one of my little reds during molting

[Coffeeculturegvl]

He's home and in the aquarium. Nugget made an unceremonious move into the double ferret cage.
Last night the vet called to say she wouldn't be surprised if my little guy passed away. His nasal obstruction is just so bad and the meds can only do so much.
He's really, really struggling. But he's eating a little and drinking adequately by syringe.

He's got meloxicam and an antibiotic.
But he's got to survive long enough for the antibiotics to kick down the infection enough to breathe.
I've had to pull off two big snot scabs already. It hurts him SO much and the stress has to be damaging.

I need ways to keep his nostrils clear enough to keep the miniscule amount of air he can move get through.
Wiping and dabbing regularly with saline isn't enough.

Advice please! I want to do everything I can, but a $550 revolving door fee to clear his nose is impossible for me.





How is Grayson this morning? Wonderful news about the teeth!

[Shewhosweptforest]

Oh no....poor baby....and poor you :hug I'm sending prayers...love and strength and healing :bowdown

I know some people have had luck sitting with their little ones in the bathroom with the shower running hot...the steam helping to break up the congestion....I wonder if the vet gave him an antibiotic injection to give him a jumpstart:dono

Also, if I were you I'd private message the admins and see if they couldn't give you some help with the vet bills.....I don't know the protocol....but I do know it's done :Love_Icon

[Chickenlegs]

Warm mist vaporizer. Tent his cage. Everything will get wet from the steam so you'll be changing fleece every hour but it'll keep the snot from drying up and blocking his nasal passages. He needs a port like they install to help squirrels who have surgery for odontoma breathe.

[Coffeeculturegvl]

I think we're nearing the end here. He's not generating as much body heat as he should, and he's just too labored in his breathing, spaced farther apart, he isn't very responsive, and I don't think the thick, loose stool is normall diarrhea. I think there's only so much this little guy could take. I've been trying the shower steam for a long time now but it doesn't seem to be doing any good. He just keeps getting worse and worse.
Hoping this will turn around, but if not, he won't go all alone.

[Nancy in New York]

I think we're nearing the end here. He's not generating as much body heat as he should, and he's just too labored in his breathing, spaced farther apart, he isn't very responsive, and I don't think the thick, loose stool is normall diarrhea. I think there's only so much this little guy could take. I've been trying the shower steam for a long time now but it doesn't seem to be doing any good. He just keeps getting worse and worse.
Hoping this will turn around, but if not, he won't go all alone.

:Love_Icon:grouphug:Love_Icon

[cava]

He is very fortunate to have someone to give him love and warmth. I hope he is ok, but if he went to the next world that he did so peacefully. You are in my thoughts.:Love_Icon

[HRT4SQRLS]

Thanks for helping him. :grouphug
Just curious, which antibiotic is he on?

[Coffeeculturegvl]

He's still with us but refuses to eat or drink this morning. Even honey water.
Nugget just got a recheck and vet says he MAY have Neuro damage in his hand since he's not using his fingers yet, but it may just take time, up to 2 months.
Vet was awesome just now and said I can bring the little guy back right away if I want to and they'll work him in on a non-emergency basis. That's only $90 so I'll be headed home to swap squirrels.
My husband is trying his hand at drop by drop rehydration so he doesn't aspirate.

[redwuff]

Will the vet show you how to sub q and sell you some supples? I can send you stuff but it won't help now!

Prayers for both of you!:grouphug

What antibiotics is he on?

[Mel1959]

I also have sub q supplies I can send you. I'm in Florida. Let me know if you need anything. :hug

[Jen413]

Praying your little one can pull through!:grouphug

[Coffeeculturegvl]

I KNOW WHAT'S WRONG!! At least I'm pretty sure what's caused the infection. Malocclusion.
I was cleaning his nostrils and he opened his mouth wide.
His bottom teeth are 1/4 (+?) inch long.
I checked Nugget's teeth, and comparatively his are 1/16th" or roughly 1/4 the length.
When the vet initially had said was a cavity where he thought his upper teeth had fallen out must be penetration of his lower incisors. I don't know if he can be saved at this point. Does anyone have any experience with a malocclusion before?
One that's gone this far and this bad?
I also want to point out that the veterinarian who has been seeing him, isn't the best one I've seen at the clinic. There are lots of doctors there and it's always a different one it seems. If someone can give me an idea how I might request a different vet without causing care quality problems (docs notoriously have rather large and easily bruised egos) I'd really appreciate it. But you'd have to respond right away since I'm on my way back to the clinic.

[TubeDriver]

1/4' is not too long if you are talking about teeth exposed all the way to the gums.

You can try using a nasal aspirator (basically a bulb like tool) that will physically suck out the discharge and mucus in his nostrils.

Put him on low heat pad if he is having trouble staying warm.

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I KNOW WHAT'S WRONG!! At least I'm pretty sure what's caused the infection. Malocclusion.
I was cleaning his nostrils and he opened his mouth wide.
His bottom teeth are 1/4 (+?) inch long.
I checked Nugget's teeth, and comparatively his are 1/16th" or roughly 1/4 the length.
When the vet initially had said was a cavity where he thought his upper teeth had fallen out must be penetration of his lower incisors. I don't know if he can be saved at this point. Does anyone have any experience with a malocclusion before?
One that's gone this far and this bad?

[Jen413]

I'd probably try to aspirate it too. Maybe the vet just couldn't tell because of the swelling? Hope he can be pulled out of the woods. He's very lucky to have someone fighting so hard for him!

[Coffeeculturegvl]

I'd take a picture, but I'm driving and typing at the red lights. I don't know about the length 100%, what I can say is that they certainly do look like their long enough to be penetrating based upon what happens when he closes his mouth. I'm on my way back, and I was supposed to take him back anyway. So I'm just going to ask them to take another look. They took x-rays so maybe they can review those again. I appreciate the response. I really do. This is all just so and I'm already practically manic at this point. The good news, however is when I got home from the first vet visit, he was up and about comma energetic, and ravenous. He hasn't been able to break a nut or bite with his front teeth I noticed though.
=TubeDriver;1223299]1/4' is not too long if you are talking about teeth exposed all the way to the gums.

You can try using a nasal aspirator (basically a bulb like tool) that will physically suck out the discharge and mucus in his nostrils.

Put him on low heat pad if he is having trouble staying warm.

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[redwuff]

I KNOW WHAT'S WRONG!! At least I'm pretty sure what's caused the infection. Malocclusion.
I was cleaning his nostrils and he opened his mouth wide.
His bottom teeth are 1/4 (+?) inch long.
I checked Nugget's teeth, and comparatively his are 1/16th" or roughly 1/4 the length.
When the vet initially had said was a cavity where he thought his upper teeth had fallen out must be penetration of his lower incisors. I don't know if he can be saved at this point. Does anyone have any experience with a malocclusion before?
One that's gone this far and this bad?
I also want to point out that the veterinarian who has been seeing him, isn't the best one I've seen at the clinic. There are lots of doctors there and it's always a different one it seems. If someone can give me an idea how I might request a different vet without causing care quality problems (docs notoriously have rather large and easily bruised egos) I'd really appreciate it. But you'd have to respond right away since I'm on my way back to the clinic.

I f you think the bottom teethhave punctured the top palate, have them trimmed and see what happens. They actually sound ok. They always look ridiculously long.

He has had too much trauma to make a decision on whether he is malocluded or not. Since he ihas so much swelling his top palate would be easily punctured.

What antibiotic have they put him on?

[Coffeeculturegvl]

Vet just examined him again and came to talk to me. He said the swelling is down markedly and can now see more of whats going on.
Here it is:
He agrees the teeth are too long and his jaw is offset a bit. So, most likely it IS a malocclusion and is the reason for the mystery infection. He is trimming his teeth now and we're going to continue his antibiotic treatment and clearing his nasal passages. He says it would just be the soft tissue penetrated at this point and he's more concerned about the infection reaching his brain.
Vet says I now have an unreleasable squirrel that will need regular teeth trimming. (No surprise to me) At least he's a sweetheart squirrel.
If that is the final assessment amd doesnt change again, I now need to start reading the posts about managing his teeth and having a permanent pet squirrel. Guess my son's old room won't be the anticipated craft room I wanted, but will be Grayson's.
Back to a question I posed before. Should I consider keeping Nugget so Grayson has company, or does that not matter?

[HRT4SQRLS]

I am just leaving work. I was almost to my car in the parking lot but I just HAD to return to the building to say this. (needed a wifi signal ... on an iPad). If he is on Baytril, HE WILL DIE! SMZ/TMP isn't that great for the mouth either. He needs Clavamox and/or Clindamycin.

Sorry, I just had to say it. Vets LOVE Baytril but it doesn't work for a mouth/face/neck wound. OK! I said it. Now I'm going home. :embar

[TubeDriver]

Just bumping this up, HRT4SQYRL knows more about ABs than most vets/MDs. Baytril is a great AB but not for infections deep in the sinuses/mouth.


Those teeth look very *slightly* long, and the wear is uneven. He might need a couple trims but there is still the very real possibility that his teeth can reset (since he has both of his top teeth) over time and he might still be releasable. However, that process will take maybe ~two months inside to assess.



I am just leaving work. I was almost to my car in the parking lot but I just HAD to return to the building to say this. (needed a wifi signal ... on an iPad). If he is on Baytril, HE WILL DIE! SMZ/TMP isn't that great for the mouth either. He needs Clavamox and/or Clindamycin.

Sorry, I just had to say it. Vets LOVE Baytril but it doesn't work for a mouth/face/neck wound. OK! I said it. Now I'm going home. :embar

[Coffeeculturegvl]

Grayson is on zithromycin I believe the vet said, but I'll check the bottle when I get home.
NUGGET was on the SMZ/TMP for sure, tho.
I've already left, but curious... he's having some loose stools problem from the current antibiotic whatever it is. Would it be feasible to request a different antibiotic, as in the clindamycin, if his loose stool "doesn't resolve?" Wink wink nudge nudge
That would be one way to get it without questioning his judgement 2 times in a row. Otherwise he doesn't have a follow-up appointment until next Wednesday

[UDoWhat]

I f you think the bottom teethhave punctured the top palate, have them trimmed and see what happens. They actually sound ok. They always look ridiculously long.

He has had too much trauma to make a decision on whether he is malocluded or not. Since he ihas so much swelling his top palate would be easily punctured.

What antibiotic have they put him on?

I agree that the teeth are not too long. They don't look maloccluded to me. I have seen maloccluded squirrels, his teeth don't look like that. As Redwuff suggested, trim the bottom teeth and see what happens. Definitely too early to see if he will later be maloccluded due to the top teeth not growing in properly.

It is true that most Vets have no clue about squirrels. Maybe your Vet would consider a consult with Dr. Emerson, a FL vet, who works with squirrels and especially squirrel's teeth. He definitely needs to be on the correct antibiotic or he will die.

[Shewhosweptforest]

Grayson is on zithromycin I believe the vet said, but I'll check the bottle when I get home.
NUGGET was on the SMZ/TMP for sure, tho.
I've already left, but curious... he's having some loose stools problem from the current antibiotic whatever it is. Would it be feasible to request a different antibiotic, as in the clindamycin, if his loose stool "doesn't resolve?" Wink wink nudge nudge
That would be one way to get it without questioning his judgement 2 times in a row. Otherwise he doesn't have a follow-up appointment until next Wednesday

It definitely is walking a tightrope with our vets...we have to be careful because need them...I feel your pain :dono HRT definitely knows her stuff....along with many others here....from trial and error...testimonials from others...and extensive research :great just a tad bit proud of this group of friends :w00t

To deal with the loose stool you can give probiotics two hours before and/or after antibiotics are given:great this can be with yogurt or probiotic capsule opened and sprinkled in formula...or as I did recently...probiotics sprinkled in a little yogurt :great I got my probiotics from Walmart fairly cheap +/- 9.00 in foil sealed package...one capsule can be used for several doses :great this usually straightens up their tummies :w00t

Udowhat has a great suggestion....let Dr. E work it out :thumbsup

[Coffeeculturegvl]

Where in FL is Dr. Emerson? I'm in Gainesville (N. Central)




Maybe your Vet would consider a consult with Dr. Emerson, a FL vet, who works with squirrels and especially squirrel's teeth.

[Jennefer]

Hi coffee girl! Been keeping up on Graysons thread. Praying for a quick recovery. Dr Emerson is in Port Orange, just south of Daytona Beach. North of Titusville/New Smyrna. Prob 2 hr if that from you. Off I95 southeast of you. Well worth a trip. She is amazing! At the very least a consult. :grouphug

[Mel1959]

I definitely think it would be well worth a drive or a phone call to Dr. Emerson. I think you will find her extremely helpful. I hope Grayson continues to improve! :hug

[Coffeeculturegvl]

I visit my mom in Port Orange regularly.
Handy :)

[Jennefer]

I visit my mom in Port Orange regularly.
Handy :)

WOW!!! Look at that....Like it was meant to be! :multi. Sending positive vibes you & Graysons way! :Love_Icon

(do you ever sleep?!? :tap)

[crazy4squirrels]

Def go to Dr E. I am in Pasco Hernando area and can help with sub q and antibiotics. Never give up! Where there is life there is hope!

[Chickenlegs]

Hope your little man is feeling better today :Love_Icon

[Coffeeculturegvl]

I'm reading the opinions on whether Grayson is maloccluded or not. Maybe the swelling was bad enough the teeth did pierce the palate
*but*
He has an INFECTIOUS illness.
His sister, and nestmate, just showed up with the exact same symptoms, early presentation.
Black, crusty nasal discharge, white eye discharge. And she let me handle her and wipe her nose- something she wouldn't have allowed even before I released her. I know because she almost took my finger off when I treated her for an eye scratch.
I gave her a dose of Graysons antibiotic and for lack of an alternative put her in the aquarium with Grayson .
His, I hope he really IS Grayson. He still looks nothing like my boy front to end.
Nugget is in a different cage, but he and Grayson HAVE had brief contact. Don't know how easily this is transmitted, but would you agree he should be treated prophelactically?
Miney is in pretty good shape still.
Grayson is better, but still feels horrible.

Miney is chewing her way out of the aquarium lid. I need to put her in the wire cage with Nugget. He almost chewed out of the aquarium too.

This is RIDICULOUS how much trouble my troupe has gotten themselves into.

[Nancy in New York]

I'm reading the opinions on whether Grayson is maloccluded or not. Maybe the swelling was bad enough the teeth did pierce the palate
*but*
He has an INFECTIOUS illness.
His sister, and nestmate, just showed up with the exact same symptoms, early presentation.
Black, crusty nasal discharge, white eye discharge. And she let me handle her and wipe her nose- something she wouldn't have allowed even before I released her. I know because she almost took my finger off when I treated her for an eye scratch.
I gave her a dose of Graysons antibiotic and for lack of an alternative put her in the aquarium with Grayson .
His, I hope he really IS Grayson. He still looks nothing like my boy front to end.
Nugget is in a different cage, but he and Grayson HAVE had brief contact. Don't know how easily this is transmitted, but would you agree he should be treated prophelactically?
Miney is in pretty good shape still.
Grayson is better, but still feels horrible.

Miney is chewing her way out of the aquarium lid. I need to put her in the wire cage with Nugget. He almost chewed out of the aquarium too.

This is RIDICULOUS how much trouble my troupe has gotten themselves into.

Personally I would not put anyone in with Nugget.
He's not sick and if this is something really contagious,
that's not a good idea. We don't even know what we're dealing with.
Do you have another alternative?

[redwuff]

I took a released rescue to a vet back a year or so with similar sounding symptoms. I thought he might have been hbc or face plant from a fall. It turned out to be a respiratory issue nut very similar symptoms. Any chance of getting a picture of his face? Let me see what antibiotics were used. [U]Do you guys experience bortatella down there?
[




The only sure way to know what you are dealing with is to get a culture done of the infection in his nose. Many of these respiratory issues are very contagious. The release that I was talking about that had the blood blackened nose ( looked like his nose was raw/ hamburgery looking) we were pretty sure he had bordatella bronciioseptica. The antibiotics that were used to treat it were doxycycline and Baytril.

[Coffeeculturegvl]

Posted on social media asking friends for a loaner ferret cage. Meanwhile, I'll keep her with Grayson tonight and hopefully she'll calm down and sleep now it's dark outside. I'll go get at least a single decker ferret cage tomorrow.

My only alternative is confinement in the release enclosure but she'll be hard to catch and care for. It's a big enclosure.

I just REALLY hope she doesn't get as bad as Grayson did despite treating now. Viral or bacterial, it's a NASTY one.

I realize I saw one of my wilds with goopy eyes today.
I wouldn't know how to treat my wild backyard ones, which makes me sad.


Do you have another alternative?

[HRT4SQRLS]

Oh good grief!!! :tap :tilt I thought this was a wounded nose and a punctured palate.
I overnighted 3 antibiotics that will arrive by 3PM tomorrow. I sent Clavamox, Clindamydin and I threw in SMZ-TMP for good measure. Now that this appears to be respiratory, none of those are appropriate. Oh well. :peace

Actually, the Azithromycin that was prescribed is an excellent drug for something like this. It would target Bordetella and Mycoplasma and other possible bacterial causes. I think your best bet would be to see if the vet will give you more Azithromycin. I could send a link where you can buy some BUT a bottle of 30 pills is $70. :eek I think you could get it at the vets cheaper than that.

Another good antibiotic for a respiratory infection of unknown cause would be doxycycline. It has a very broad spectrum and targets a lot of the atypical causes of respiratory issues. I don't have any because I sent out all that I had and it's not a drug I keep after it expires.

I would definitely keep these squirrels separated.

Let me know if the antibiotics arrive tomorrow. If Grayson's nose appears infected from the 'wound'??? we could stack the Clavamox with the Azithromycin.

By the way, Azithromycin is the antibiotic in a Z-pak. If anyone you know has a left over pill we could dose it. There usually aren't any left over though because the pack has only 5 or 6 pills.

You might get lucky on this. I read that a 3 day course might be enough. If that was the case you might have enough to treat both squirrels or at least get you started.

I think I might actually have a couple Azithromycin tablets. Let me check.

[Coffeeculturegvl]

Oh good grief!!! :tap :tilt I thought this was a wounded nose and a punctured palate.


If Miney hadn't shown up this evening with similar symptoms, I would have continued thinking the same!

My head's spinning it keeps changing so much.

I'm worried how I'm going to continue caring for THREE of them, two very ill, when I'm going to be in a post-surgical oxycodone coma and barely mobile 7 days from now.

So, I have 6 days to get these two babies at least healthy enough they'll just need feeding and pray Nugget doesn't catch this.

And I'll throw this out there....
Could this illness be deliberately caused by a toxin or chemical? My husband voiced the concern over our crazy, squirrel hating/threatening neighbor. That would present more with foaming, seizures, imbalance, etc, right?

[HRT4SQRLS]

And I'll throw this out there....
Could this illness be deliberately caused by a toxin or chemical? My husband voiced the concern over our crazy, squirrel hating/threatening neighbor. That would present more with foaming, seizures, imbalance, etc, right?

Uhmm, then there is THAT. Mr Wonderful. :madd That is very concerning. Is it possible that the black noses are dried, bloody noses?
Rat poisons are anticoagulants that cause bleed outs. I sure hope this is not rat poison.

[HRT4SQRLS]

That thought is really bothering me. I reread your thread and yesterday you posted that it appeared Grayson was dying.... nearing the end. He was clearly acutely ill. Now I'm beginning to wonder. If he was poisoned, falling from the trees could certainly have caused all this face/mouth damage.

Just to be sure, I would definitely spend some time outside tomorrow observing the wilds and looking for other 'sick' squirrels. The though, sickens me!!! :shakehead

[Coffeeculturegvl]

Uhmm, then there is THAT. Mr Wonderful. :madd That is very concerning. Is it possible that the black noses are dried, bloody noses?
Rat poisons are anticoagulants that cause bleed outs. I sure hope this is not rat poison.

Yes. The black mucus scabs have dried blood in them. They arent noticeably bleeding from the noses, though. Just look like snot-noses, and the black scabs are slow accumulations.

What about their white pus-like goopy eyes? Grayson's stopped doing that after a couple days.

Is there a tox-screen to rule it out? Is there any specific treatment?

I don't even have the words to describe the rage I feel right now just suspecting he's responsible.

[TubeDriver]

:grouphug:grouphug:grouphug

[HRT4SQRLS]

Yes. The black mucus scabs have dried blood in them. They arent noticeably bleeding from the noses, though. Just look like snot-noses, and the black scabs are slow accumulations.

What about their white pus-like goopy eyes? Grayson's stopped doing that after a couple days.

Is there a tox-screen to rule it out? Is there any specific treatment?

I don't even have the words to describe the rage I feel right now just suspecting he's responsible.

The 'white pus-like goopy eyes' could be white years. Squirrels have white tears as a result of pain or other health issues. The nose calamity would certainly have been enough to cause white tears.

We can't get ahead of ourself here but I'm not ready to say it's not possible. The treatment for rat poison is Vitamin K injections to reverse the anticoagulant effects. My mom's dog gobbled down a rat poison block once. The vet gave Vitamin K injections.

I'm not sure about tox-screens. I think if you start seeing dying or dead squirrels around your property you'll have a pretty high suspicion. Let's not suspect the worse just yet.

From your description, it sounds like Grayson might be turning the corner and getting better.

[Coffeeculturegvl]

The 'white pus-like goopy eyes' could be white years. Squirrels have white tears as a result of pain or other health issues.

From your description, it sounds like Grayson might be turning the corner and getting better.

The vet didn't say anything about white tears. His explanation was the lacrimal ducts connect with the nose. They see a few pet squirrels at UF but in general, they're the rare patient. His take sounds like a best guess now. Thank you for explaining.

Grayson is more alert when awake in general now, thank goodness, but he's lost an alarming amount of weight and still sleeps 99% of the time. His abscess is healing, his breathing is much better, and I don't feel anymore like he could die at any moment, though I'm watching him very closely.

To answer an earlier question, I'm NOT sleeping much :/

[Coffeeculturegvl]

Just to be sure, I would definitely spend some time outside tomorrow observing the wilds and looking for other 'sick' squirrels.

I already noticed one young female who developed the white tears. I didn't notice any black around her nose, but she's always around and I'll watch her. The vet on call at UF said it sounded like an outbreak. While scary, that's preferable to deliberate poisoning.
Trust me, I'll be scrutinizing every fuzzy butt that comes around.
Maybe it's a good idea not to feed the wilds for awhile to avoid them congregating here. I usually have 6-10 at a time every time I open my window.

[redwuff]

I already noticed one young female who developed the white tears. I didn't notice any black around her nose, but she's always around and I'll watch her. The vet on call at UF said it sounded like an outbreak. While scary, that's preferable to deliberate poisoning.
Trust me, I'll be scrutinizing every fuzzy butt that comes around.
Maybe it's a good idea not to feed the wilds for awhile to avoid them congregating here. I usually have 6-10 at a time every time I open my window.

If this is a contagious agent like bordatella, it is already too late to stop congregating to have any effect on spread. They need all the easy support they can get with high quality food and fresh water.

This does not present like a poisoning. Like I mentioned in post #3, I had a release a few years ago that presented just like your boy. UDoWhat had seen a horrific outbreak of something that had killed over 100 babies at the biggest center in Maryland. Marty lost 8 out of 11 babies she had. She had 3 necropsy done and bordatella was confirmed in all cases. So when my release came back with his symptoms, she strongly suspected bordatella and I started on a 21 day course of doxycycline and Baytril. He was re- released w/out further complications.

[Jennefer]

[U]Do you guys experience bortatella down there?
[.

Redwuff...we do have bordetella doen here in Florida. I havent heard of any outbreaks in the news lately. It usually doesnt make the news like rabies cases unless its at a dog shelter or daycare & has affected a mass amount of dogs. Which has happened. I can tell you its state law to have dogs vaccinated for bordetella if you are boarding or sending to dog daycare or any training. They also highly recommend it if your dog goes to dog parks. First thing dog places ask for down here is proof of bordetella vaccine or titters. You cant get thru the doors without it. Almost more focused on it more so than rabies. I have a friend that does dog rescues & theyve had dogs with bordetella before.

[Jennefer]

The vet didn't say anything about white tears. His explanation was the lacrimal ducts connect with the nose. They see a few pet squirrels at UF but in general, they're the rare patient. His take sounds like a best guess now. Thank you for explaining.

Grayson is more alert when awake in general now, thank goodness, but he's lost an alarming amount of weight and still sleeps 99% of the time. His abscess is healing, his breathing is much better, and I don't feel anymore like he could die at any moment, though I'm watching him very closely.

To answer an earlier question, I'm NOT sleeping much :/

Glad to hear Grayson is more alert. You however, make sure your getting your sleep....esp if your having surgery in a week. You dont want to go in exhausted & depleted. Schedule out their meds, let them rest & you rest when they rest! Like my husband tells me....let those babies have some alone time, they dont need you hovering all day (which i do...i get much of nothing done when im all over them). But seriously, you need to be in good shape in order to take care of them, so make yourself a priority as well. :grouphug you have our support! Hang in there.

[Mel1959]

Is there a test for bortadella? :dono

[Coffeeculturegvl]

So far, friends have offered
Augmentin and Cephalexin if either of those will help.
I can also get single capsules of antibiotic at my local Feed and Seed. I think it's amoxicillin. I'll have to ask.

[Coffeeculturegvl]

Miney's nostrils were a bit more clogged up this am, but not as bad as I predicted. She is pretty mucus-y and raw around one nostril and the small black areas she still has (didnt want to rub too much unnecessarily) DO have a bit of a "hamburgery" texture. She tolerates the wiping and suctioning well, thank goodness.
Grayson isn't much better than yesterday's "better." He was totally clogged and mouth breathing this morning but wasn't as difficult to clear his nose to move air.

Am I looking at the real possibility of bordatella and perhaps death despite treatment?

And is it that transmissible I should start Nugget on AB immediately, or is squirrel bordatella a virus and just has to run it's course?

Sorry for all the questions.

[Coffeeculturegvl]

Are azithromycin tablets still stable and effective 5-6months AFTER expiration? A friend has 250mg tablets expired Jan this year.

[Jennefer]

Is there a test for bortadella? :dono

My dog rescue friend is saying there is no test. They go off symptoms, if its a bad case they do chest xray & bloodwork. They can do a culture but treat in meantime b/c it takes awhile to grow. They use doxycycline & baytril like redwuff said her guy took.

Im not sure abt your antibiotic questions...which is why i didnt answer them...hopefully someone that knows will answer soon. Didnt want u to think i was ignoring them.

[cava]

I have Doxy. Someone tell her what she needs exactly and I'll help out.

[Coffeeculturegvl]

I just got a full fresh Z-pak script from the Urgent Care. I have chronic ear and sinus problems and "felt a flare-up coming on......"

Helps that one of my employees worked there and texted the doc she was ordering me to go get one. LOL

Now--- prep And dosing?



By the way, Azithromycin is the antibiotic in a Z-pak. If anyone you know has a left over pill we could dose it.

[HRT4SQRLS]

Sending a Private Message.

[Coffeeculturegvl]

430am and Graysons nose was whistling and he was mouth breathing again.
Bloody mucus nostril discharge, one side.
Hoping this is as simple as dry membranes,l?
I cleared him best I could, hydrated him, and put him back in with Miney.
I'll be wide awake now to listen and wait for some of you to wake up and advise if possible.
Could be a non-event but this is my first rodeo and it is the most obvious bloody discharge yet. I dont want to ignore a down slide symptom.

[Coffeeculturegvl]

I just have to post something happy and positive for a change or I will implode...
Last night, Nugget was gripping my hand with BOTH paws. We had serious concerns about neurological damage from his double arm break injury. Since being out of the splint, and once his ulcerated arm and paw skin healed, he hasn't been moving his fingers. But, I could feel his fingers curling just a little bit as he uncharacteristically demanded some affection by pulling my hand to his head for rubs. This is great news!! It's the sign we've been waiting for he may recover the full use of his hand.

[redwuff]

So glad to hear the good news about Nuggets paw. Something like that helps with the harder stuff. How is Greyson?. What med did you decide to go with?

I have been advised that azithromycin and doxy can be used together with good results.

[redwuff]

How is Grayson and gang doing?. Hoping for the best!:blowkiss

[Milo's Mom]

Just thinking about you and wondering how the treatment is working. How's everyone doing?

Hoping, Wishing, and of course Praying. :grouphug

[Coffeeculturegvl]

Sorry to leave everyone hanging on am update.

Thanks to everyone for all the help and support.

Nugget got to play out of the cage today. He proceeded to knock just about everything I have off every surface. He was VERY happy, popcorning and being quite amusing.

Miney looks like she's making a full recovery and dodged the worst of this illness. She's only a little sneezy now and has very little mucus coming out of her nose. It's getting easier and easier to clear. She has more energy, and she doesn't feel as warm as she did before. I'm trying to find out at what point should I deem her healthy, and how long she should stay with me before I can release her.

Grayson is doing much better himself. He definitely has more energy, not as much mucus, no more blood for certain, but he's still sneezing fairly often. He has had an abscess just above his top teeth that is beginning to shrink substantially, isn't draining as much, and is building a crust.
He is dangerously thin though. He's lost so much weight I'm very concerned about him in that regard. He just won't eat much of what I'm giving him.
But, today he complained at me for holding him. While I was offended :) I was glad to hear him do that.

We ended up adding Clavamox yesterday to his antibiotics. So he had azithromycin for a week and Clavamox added in yesterday. I'm not sure if that's what did the trick but...whatever works!

If two adult squirrels were strangers in the same cage, would they snuggle?

[Nancy in New York]

Fantastic update.
I was holding my breath, but it seems like
they have really turned the corner, thanks to YOU.
I doubt that two adult strange squirrels would snuggle. :)
Perhaps they aren't strangers. :)
Nice job pulling them back from the brink! :w00t

[Mel1959]

So glad to hear the terrific update. :bliss. Is there anything that Grayson especially likes to eat? Avocado, peanut butter, almond butter, coconut, boo balls? It seems like our Florida squirrels are so very thin and small anyway, that they don't have much excess weight to lose. I'm sure it's very concerning.

It might not be a bad idea to purchase some CAOH immune barrier. It comes from California and costs about $20 for a bottle. It might provide a little help with your guys' immune system. I put a little bit in the water I provide for my wilds. I figured it couldn't hurt and may actually help. :grin3

[TubeDriver]

:w00t

[Jen413]

:bliss awesome update!

[Coffeeculturegvl]

Grayson- the night I was sure I'd lose him.
*and*
Grayson (L) and MineyMo (R), as of this morning!!

What an incredible difference. Grayson has even started looking like himself again. Just have to fatten him up. LOL

[lennysmom]

So glad those little sweeties are feeling better.:Love_Icon:w00t

[Nancy in New York]

Those pictures just do my heart so much good.
They are just precious. How old are they? They look so content!
Thank you for sticking the course, and getting
these little ones on the right track! :Love_Icon:Love_Icon

[Ekorre]

Just caught up with this thread. Wow! You've done (and are doing) a FANTASTIC job! :great

When it rains, it pours...first it was your crazy, nasty neighbours and now all these injuries & illnesses! :bowdown :hug

I'm so happy they're all improving! :woot :bliss :jump :woot

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:Love_Icon Nugget :Love_Icon

:Love_Icon MineyMo :Love_Icon

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[Coffeeculturegvl]

Nugget was two days shy of opening his eyes after I got all three of them on Sept 5th after Hurricane Hermine.

The "twins," Grayson and Hermione (MineyMo) were about 2 weeks old at the time, the tiny squirts.

They spent an extra long time together over the winter and an extended release cage period so they're pretty tight as a group. I guess that's why they look content. That's also their baby bed. Familiarity :)

I'm so happy they've all made it through ALL the calamities.



How old are they? They look so content!
:Love_Icon:Love_Icon

[Mel1959]

I was thinking about your guys and wondering how they were doing? Is everyone healthy and back in the trees? Are all the problems resolved with your kooky neighbors? :grin3