Probable UTI.

[<3MeSomeSquirrels]

I'm calling around for a vet tomorrow, hoping someone deals with squirrels. My girl is a 9 month eastern grey. She has had trouble urinaring lately. Rocks her whole body as she pees, straining, and even breathes harder.

She only goes a drip at a time right now and it is strong-smelling and cloudy.

I was able to collect a small specimen. I'm hoping a vet would allow me to bring that without bringing her. Some of y'all's squirrels seem docile. Mine is skiddish, energetic, and playful.

Any tips in the meantime before I make an appointment or while I wait? I don't know how long it's been going on. She doesn't seem lethargic, but I think her water intake has decreased some.

Ideas for immediate help?

[<3MeSomeSquirrels]

Also, by chance, I work at a laboratory that specializes in human urine. I might mention it to the vet and possibly make a slide of her urine to bring it in to the vet if they say it would be helpful. Or even maybe ask a pathologist to look at it. I'm 99% sure she has something bad going on.

I usually overreact about silly things and panic that she's dying (I hope I chill out before I have human children), but this time I absolutely truly believe there is an issue and that I'm not simply panicking.

[Rhapsody]

It defiantly sounds as though your little one may have an UTI --seeing a vet is important.
In the meantime I would try to increase the water intake and feed some cranberries.

(((hugs))) Healing Vibes being sent. :Love_Icon

[<3MeSomeSquirrels]

I assume you mean fresh cranberry, not the dried kind with added sugar. I am afraid I don't know if I can get them out of Thanksgiving season, but I will look. Thanks!

[Rhapsody]

Correct..... fresh cranberries.

[<3MeSomeSquirrels]

Update: after calling around, I finally found a vet in my area that treats squirrels, which I am relieved for. I couldn't find cranberries, but I picked up some no sugar added, organic 100% cranberry juice and have administered a bit and will continue to do so.

The vet said that if I was able to collect a urine sample tomorrow shortly before the appointment, it would help. Unfortunately the urine I already collected will be too old to use for optimal diagnosis use.

I'm hoping the fact that she's full of energy is a sign that the infection hasn't gotten too serious. I'm nervous about the vet. This is the first time she will have been and I hope they are understanding of squirrels. I was relieved to discover that the receptionist had a squirrel for a length of time too, and was also quite knowledgeable about them. So it seems promising that this vet will be a good fit.

[stepnstone]

Update: after calling around, I finally found a vet in my area that treats squirrels, which I am relieved for. I couldn't find cranberries, but I picked up some no sugar added, organic 100% cranberry juice and have administered a bit and will continue to do so.

The vet said that if I was able to collect a urine sample tomorrow shortly before the appointment, it would help. Unfortunately the urine I already collected will be too old to use for optimal diagnosis use.

I'm hoping the fact that she's full of energy is a sign that the infection hasn't gotten too serious. I'm nervous about the vet. This is the first time she will have been and I hope they are understanding of squirrels. I was relieved to discover that the receptionist had a squirrel for a length of time too, and was also quite knowledgeable about them. So it seems promising that this vet will be a good fit.

Glad you found and will be able to take your girl to a veterinarian. :great
If your pleased with them I hope you share the info, veterinarians that
will treat squirrels aren't easy to come by....

[<3MeSomeSquirrels]

Oh my goodness, what a day. It was her first time out of the house, and first time in the carrier. She was freaking out hardcore to the extent that I was almost in tears in the car on the way there and very stressed in the waiting room.

They told me over the phone that the urine sample I collected two days ago and have refrigerated ever since would be too old to be useful. I work in a urology lab (for humans) and am not sure I agree, but I left it at home anyway. We weighed her (it took about ten minutes to weigh her because I couldn't get her off of me - she was terrified of the people and the whole experience). She's a big girl. 1.4 pounds.

I described the symptoms to them again, and the vet was content to prescribe medicine on that basis, since she couldn't/wouldn't be calmed and was unable to provide a urine specimen. He prescribed a mixture of Sulfatrim, which should be administered orally at 0.5cc twice a day for two weeks. He recommended sweetening the tip of the syringe if need be to encourage her to drink it. She's not picky, so I doubt I'll have trouble.

I have not administered the first dose yet, as I wanted to hear the board's opinion on this first. The vet has raised Flyers and Eastern Grays himself, so I feel more assured. He also mentioned Baytril, as I've seen posted here in a few UTI threads, but he recommended trying this first because the Baytril has a flavor that he finds hard to mask for animals.

He also recommended I keep a journal of changes in behavior and symptoms through this drug course to assess its effectiveness over time.

So... Sulfatrim. Anyone familiar with it?

Edit: And to the urology lab, I intend to gain permission to make a slide from her urine and request a pathologist to look at it at my job as a favor to me. Just to see if there are any definite signs of a UTI.

[Mel1959]

I'm sorry I don't have any knowledge about that drug, but someone on here should respond. Glad you got some meds. :dance

[<3MeSomeSquirrels]

Glad you found and will be able to take your girl to a veterinarian. :great
If your pleased with them I hope you share the info, veterinarians that
will treat squirrels aren't easy to come by....

Should I share in a main post somewhere? Or just here?

Oops. I guess I'm not allowed. Got modded out. My apologies, y'all.

[<3MeSomeSquirrels]

I'm sorry I don't have any knowledge about that drug, but someone on here should respond. Glad you got some meds. :dance

Thanks! I will do an advanced search here and a little googling to put my mind at ease before administering the drug. I hope someone here knows about it (and approves of it too). :D

[HRT4SQRLS]

Yes, the Sulfatrim should work fine. Also, yes, the Baytril tastes terrible and squirrels really hate it. I agree that treating based on the symptoms is the best course of action. It is difficult to collect a specimen on a FREAKED OUT squirrel. Oh and yes, they will bite the crap outta you, also. :peace

My squirrel freaked out at a vets office also and during the chaos her tail managed to get degloved on the last 2 inches. I was standing right there and I still can't tell you how it happened. :shakehead

[<3MeSomeSquirrels]

Oh goodness! Poor little babies. Those moments when you wish they could understand English.

Thanks for the thumbs-up on the drug. Advanced search of "sulfatrim uti" also reassured me. I hope she improves soon!

[Nancy in New York]

Should I share in a main post somewhere? Or just here?

Oops. I guess I'm not allowed. Got modded out. My apologies, y'all.


Oh this is fine.
We just want to keep the name of your vet safe, so I removed the name.
The admins. have the info. so we will know who to recommend in your area.
Thank you for sharing! :w00t
:hug

[Shewhosweptforest]

I found this when I googled sulfatrim

SULFAMETHOXAZOLE/ TRIMETHOPRIM

BRANDS: TRIBRISSEN, COTRIM, BACTRIM, SEPTRA 15mg/lb BID, PO
.15cc/lb
Bactericidal, broad-spectrum combination (antibiotic) active against many secondary infections, but not mycoplasma. Great for urinary tract infections. Tastes terrible, so is difficult to get rats to take. Prescription needed. Inexpensive. Note: Sulfonamides without Trimethoprim are bacteriostatic.

Seems it will work fine for urinary :great

So glad you found a vet to take her to....that's wonderful for you both :Love_Icon

:Welcome Welcome to TSB :Love_Icon

What's your girl's name? Pics are always much appreciated :bowdown :grin3

Edit: Oops! I see you're not exactly "new" :facepalm :grin3 you've gotten advice from our best. :thumbsup

[<3MeSomeSquirrels]

Oh this is fine.
We just want to keep the name of your vet safe, so I removed the name.
The admins. have the info. so we will know who to recommend in your area.
Thank you for sharing! :w00t
:hug

Oh good! Thanks for letting me know. I definitely don't want to go against any rules.

What was most shocking to me is that I called two vets - one outright turned me down with no suggestions, the other gave me the number for a squirrel rehabilitator that lives an hour away. Not one of them knew to refer me to this vet. I might actually call the other vet offices back and provide them with the number for this vet in case anyone inquires about squirrel care from them in the future.

Thanks!

[<3MeSomeSquirrels]

I found this when I googled sulfatrim

SULFAMETHOXAZOLE/ TRIMETHOPRIM

BRANDS: TRIBRISSEN, COTRIM, BACTRIM, SEPTRA 15mg/lb BID, PO
.15cc/lb
Bactericidal, broad-spectrum combination (antibiotic) active against many secondary infections, but not mycoplasma. Great for urinary tract infections. Tastes terrible, so is difficult to get rats to take. Prescription needed. Inexpensive. Note: Sulfonamides without Trimethoprim are bacteriostatic.

Seems it will work fine for urinary :great

So glad you found a vet to take her to....that's wonderful for you both :Love_Icon

:Welcome Welcome to TSB :Love_Icon

What's your girl's name? Pics are always much appreciated :bowdown :grin3

Edit: Oops! I see you're not exactly "new" :facepalm :grin3 you've gotten advice from our best. :thumbsup


Thanks for the additional information! Oh, I am just so relieved to have found a vet and to have this visit behind me.

No worries; I'm new "enough", haha. I am certainly not well known on the board. I think my s/o is nervous when I get on the board because every time I do, I find out about 20 new concerns I could have about our baby. Haha. Usually I'm paranoid and overreact, but this time I think she really needed the treatment and I am looking forward to seeing her body function as it should when it heals.

My boyfriend (who rescued her) named her Icarus back when we thought she was a "he". It took us a few weeks to re-gender our terms for her, but now we just call her Squirrel.

Well. I call her lots of things. Little Baby Squirrel, Squirl-Girl, Squirrely Whurley, Dear Sweet Baby Squirrel, etc. Whatever pops into my head at the time. Those are the most recurrent. ;)

I am about to close out of TSB for a bit to get back to studies (GRE in 10 days - yikes), but I will have to return to post pics soon. Maybe give a secondary introduction to myself and my lil one on one of the main boards.

[HRT4SQRLS]

Oh good! Thanks for letting me know. I definitely don't want to go against any rules.

What was most shocking to me is that I called two vets - one outright turned me down with no suggestions, the other gave me the number for a squirrel rehabilitator that lives an hour away. Not one of them knew to refer me to this vet. I might actually call the other vet offices back and provide them with the number for this vet in case anyone inquires about squirrel care from them in the future.

Thanks!

I don't think I would. There are SO many rules that it would blow your mind. This might be a vet that's just willing to do it in a low key sorta way. Most vets don't want it publicly known that they will see a squirrel because there might be wildlife laws that they are breaking. If others know, he might stop seeing squirrels. It has happened before... a vet sees a squirrel, others know, etc and then gets a visit from wildlife officers. That ends that permanently so I wouldn't. You have a vet which is HUGE. If there is need in your area on TSB, an admin can refer them without fanfare.

I know SC is a little different and it might not be a problem but I wouldn't take a chance.

[<3MeSomeSquirrels]

I don't think I would. There are SO many rules that it would blow your mind. This might be a vet that's just willing to do it in a low key sorta way. Most vets don't want it publicly known that they will see a squirrel because there might be wildlife laws that they are breaking. If others know, he might stop seeing squirrels. It has happened before... a vet sees a squirrel, others know, etc and then gets a visit from wildlife officers. That ends that permanently so I wouldn't. You have a vet which is HUGE. If there is need in your area on TSB, an admin can refer them without fanfare.

I know SC is a little different and it might not be a problem but I wouldn't take a chance.

Fair enough. I know in SC it's legal to have squirrels without any certifications or anything, but I get your point and definitely wouldn't want to jeopardize my squirrel's new vet or his ability to treat other squirrels.

Honestly, even knowing I can have her, I was nervous that maybe a vet agreed to see her in order to "seize" her. I don't think they can do that, especially here, but I have to admit, the thought crossed my mind and I was anxious myself just taking her publicly to be seen.

[Nancy in New York]

I might actually call the other vet offices back and provide them with the number for this vet in case anyone inquires about squirrel care from them in the future.

Thanks!

Just one bit of caution about doing this.
Check with your vet first, some DON'T want their
name out there for treating wildlife.

edit: OK I see that HRT4SQRLS replied too! :thumbsup

[<3MeSomeSquirrels]

Just a quick note: she's not having any problems taking the meds. She seems to be a little confused as to why I'm giving her a syringe again (I'm not a baby, mom!), but she takes it just fine so far. :)

[<3MeSomeSquirrels]

I spoke too soon. She took the first two doses without a problem. The third she refused to take. I diluted it with some juice, but she still took only a little before realizing my trick. I also tried the vet's honey idea. She didn't even seem to be a fan of the honey.

Any ideas?

[HRT4SQRLS]

Yep... Force! :grin2

I pull air into my syringe and THEN the dose of antibiotic. The air helps force the antibiotic out of the syringe. You will need to wrap her in fleece like a burrito. Secure those legs in the burrito. Slip the syringe in the side of her mouth and BLAST away.
They pitch a fit but it usually works. :grin2

[<3MeSomeSquirrels]

I don't know if I can. To be honest, my squirrel doesn't seem as "sweet" as many squirrels here. I love her and she has been sweet, but she's in a stage where she's kinda playful/bitey. Except she also bites (not hard) when she gets irritated. She also runs around a lot the second she feels she is being pursued.

As in, she's bonded enough not to leave my body. But if I try to grab her from my knee, she runs circles around on me and ends up on my back. It goes on and on, and I can't get to her, much less wrap her up in anything. I can't fathom how to wrap her up in anything.

But I've just about exhausted all my other options. I've injected it into banana. She ate the first piece then got smart to it after I gave her a second piece with more medicine. She got some of her dose, but she rejected some of the banana which had medicine in it. I inject some into the Henry Block, even allowing it to soak in as much as possible. This seemed effective the first time, but this time she smelled it and you could tell she was hesitant.

I don't want to turn her off to HHB, so I need to stop that method.


I might have to figure out how to force it, but I'm not sure it's going to be possible. I'm running out of options, though. :-/

[Mel1959]

What about hidden in a syringe of yogurt or yummy baby food? Or allowed to dry on a pecan or other nut she loves?

[PennyCash]

I don't know if I can. To be honest, my squirrel doesn't seem as "sweet" as many squirrels here. I love her and she has been sweet, but she's in a stage where she's kinda playful/bitey. Except she also bites (not hard) when she gets irritated. She also runs around a lot the second she feels she is being pursued.

As in, she's bonded enough not to leave my body. But if I try to grab her from my knee, she runs circles around on me and ends up on my back. It goes on and on, and I can't get to her, much less wrap her up in anything. I can't fathom how to wrap her up in anything.

But I've just about exhausted all my other options. I've injected it into banana. She ate the first piece then got smart to it after I gave her a second piece with more medicine. She got some of her dose, but she rejected some of the banana which had medicine in it. I inject some into the Henry Block, even allowing it to soak in as much as possible. This seemed effective the first time, but this time she smelled it and you could tell she was hesitant.

I don't want to turn her off to HHB, so I need to stop that method.


I might have to figure out how to force it, but I'm not sure it's going to be possible. I'm running out of options, though. :-/

I have literally stood in your shoes on this one. Wondering how to even catch the girl to medicate let alone burrito her. Most of the meds I've had to give are every 12 hours so at least one could be while she's still in bed. I become a creepy syringe wielding ninja and do that whole force thing followed by another syringe with something that she does like molasses, or maple syrup. Not a lot just enough to help the medicine go down as the saying goes. I've found that it also keeps her interested in syringes so that they don't always signify something bad.
The dosing when they're active has been harder and I've gotten some pretty gnarly scratches (more like gashes) but since the medicine was more important I just pushed on through the claws.
I was recently taught how to burrito and if I've understood it properly keep the wrapping material on your shoulder like you would with a baby. Grab when you can and wrap quickly getting those legs under control. Medicate, give the treat and why not a few loves while their hostage (I'm kidding). Done
Good luck :grouphug