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Sandiesquirrel
04-06-2016, 09:20 PM
Need advice Please

About 2 1/2 year old female (have a male too separate large cages)
been with me since a baby, 1 month?
Fed HHB's daily, all food of approved diet. water etc...
Not problems till recently. a month or more?
her fur on her belly has gone mostly missing (fuzz) with like a rash or irritation of red marks? tho I dont see like a nest in her hat/bed? excess (they are starting to shed normal amounts at this time, but hers is odd?
weight is fine, have a scale, acts fine... always a finicky eater.
Pretty sure she is in heat, not sure for how long. Vag area appears a little swollen, and base of tail is not "clean" not to eyesight, but to feel it, not cleaned, licked?
Can't post pictures on here of here of her belly.
Cage is always cleaned.
no fleas, parasites, etc... tried small amounts of anti-fungal cream on belly, didnt help.
is this normal? Maybe just a process or her heat thing?
I have exhausted all of my ideas and looking for help please.

stepnstone
04-06-2016, 10:07 PM
Need advice Please

About 2 1/2 year old female (have a male too separate large cages)
been with me since a baby, 1 month?
Fed HHB's daily, all food of approved diet. water etc...
Not problems till recently. a month or more?
her fur on her belly has gone mostly missing (fuzz) with like a rash or irritation of red marks? tho I dont see like a nest in her hat/bed? excess (they are starting to shed normal amounts at this time, but hers is odd?
weight is fine, have a scale, acts fine... always a finicky eater.
Pretty sure she is in heat, not sure for how long. Vag area appears a little swollen, and base of tail is not "clean" not to eyesight, but to feel it, not cleaned, licked?
Can't post pictures on here of here of her belly.
Cage is always cleaned.
no fleas, parasites, etc... tried small amounts of anti-fungal cream on belly, didnt help.
is this normal? Maybe just a process or her heat thing?
I have exhausted all of my ideas and looking for help please.

Hard to say what you may be dealing with, (normal) shedding will not cause irritation or rash.
Could be heat, it is that time of year but that don't explain the hair loss or rash.
Could this be a possible uti? Are you aware if she's passing urine normally?

If you can send a picture to my email I will post it in this forum for you.
stepnstone08@hotmail.com

Sandiesquirrel
04-11-2016, 07:53 PM
I am thinking due to no responses, no one has any ideas either? I do not have a skin scraping of course...
tonight I noticed her drivers side hip rounded area fur, etc, was like odd... kind of like when you get a brush burn and the clear stuff comes out and dries? but nothing is bothering her, and she moves like lightening... just very odd.
still belly is missing fur...
any suggestions please? looking for any ideas... maybe this is normal, but I dont think so?

Rhapsody
04-11-2016, 08:16 PM
Have you tried placing some baking soda paste over the skin area?
The paste will help with itching, inflammation and heal the skin.

Baking Soda is a popular remedy for skin irritation and hives. Its anti-inflammatory properties help reduce inflammation as well as itching.
Add two tablespoons of baking soda in a small bowl. Add enough water to make a thick paste. Spread the paste on the affected skin area.
..........leave the paste on for 10 minutes before rinsing it off with warm water. (repeat as needed .... 2-3x a day)

Sandiesquirrel
04-11-2016, 08:20 PM
Thank you step-n stone... I GREATLY appreciate it... I will try to take updated pictures tomorrow an email them to you. your assistance is greatly appreciated... I look forward to hearing peoples opinions. :monkey:monkey:monkey:monkey:monkey

stepnstone
04-11-2016, 09:46 PM
Thank you step-n stone... I GREATLY appreciate it... I will try to take updated pictures tomorrow an email them to you. your assistance is greatly appreciated... I look forward to hearing peoples opinions. :monkey:monkey:monkey:monkey:monkey
With hair loss it can be most anything from normal molt, mange, even an irritation caused by something.
Have you by chance changed laundry detergent recently?
As I said the rash is a concern, using creams without having an idea on what your treating is like putting
an ace bandage on a broken arm and temporary at best.
Yes, a picture would be helpful to be able to see what you are seeing to try and access a possible cause.

Sandiesquirrel
04-11-2016, 10:37 PM
Have you tried placing some baking soda paste over the skin area?
The paste will help with itching, inflammation and heal the skin.

Baking Soda is a popular remedy for skin irritation and hives. Its anti-inflammatory properties help reduce inflammation as well as itching.
Add two tablespoons of baking soda in a small bowl. Add enough water to make a thick paste. Spread the paste on the affected skin area.
..........leave the paste on for 10 minutes before rinsing it off with warm water. (repeat as needed .... 2-3x a day)

I have not, she is a tough one, I tried anti fungal cream... I have to worry about her liking things, as well, and 10 minutes for her to stay still is a lifetime for her... hmmm, would it be ok for her IF she did lick it??? she is a feisty one... I am the only one that can pet her... Thanks for the advice

stepnstone
04-11-2016, 10:43 PM
http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=271852&stc=1

First picture so lets start a process of elimination or suspect...
Could she be dragging her belly on something she climbs in and out of?
What is her nesting area made of cube or wood box?
Does she get wet/damp from her own urine?

stepnstone
04-11-2016, 11:19 PM
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stepnstone
04-11-2016, 11:22 PM
http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=271862&stc=1http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=271863&stc=1

Wow! That will teach me to ask for pictures...http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/rolling-on-the-floor-laughing-smiley-emoticon.gif

With those little red "dots" it does look like something is biting on her.
How do her ears look?

http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/images/smilies/poke.gif I think we need a head shot now that we have her business
end plastered all over tsb. http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/giggle.gif

Sandiesquirrel
04-11-2016, 11:34 PM
With hair loss it can be most anything from normal molt, mange, even an irritation caused by something.
Have you by chance changed laundry detergent recently?
As I said the rash is a concern, using creams without having an idea on what your treating is like putting
an ace bandage on a broken arm and temporary at best.
Yes, a picture would be helpful to be able to see what you are seeing to try and access a possible cause.

I thought about molt, but my male is not having issues, shedding.... yes. he is aok....
I always thought normal molt was on the back, can it be on the belly??
thinking not mange, she has been indoors for 2 1/2 almost 3 years, he doesnt have it (not that they are together ever) and I dont see signs of it or ring worm.
I have not changed detergent nor do I use a harmful or scented detergent, most times I just replace their bedding with new bedding as she destroys it...
I dont know how to put a picture on here, but an ad min on here asked me to email pics and I did immediately to them, hopefully they post them on here like they said for all to see....
and I will try to take more updated pics tomorrow... this has us all confused. Thanks for the comments, concerns, help :)

Sandiesquirrel
04-11-2016, 11:41 PM
http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=271862&stc=1http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=271863&stc=1

Wow! That will teach me to ask for pictures...http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/rolling-on-the-floor-laughing-smiley-emoticon.gif

With those little red "dots" it does look like something is biting on her.
How do her ears look?

http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/images/smilies/poke.gif I think we need a head shot now that we have her business
end plastered all over tsb. http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/giggle.gif


Sorry for so many, I do photography and have a fast camera... lol I get carried away especially with them....
I havent really looked too much at her ears, tho, I check them both over well (him more) every day/night... I will look...
sorry for the "lady" pics, my hubby was taking them as I had to hold her, she only trusts me.
I will try to get updated pics tomorrow and also check ears, etc... I have close up glasses that may assist. am I looking for bugs? etc? I know last summer we had a LOT of fruit flies.... ridiculous...
Wish I knew how you posted the pictures.. lol
I will get back to you tomorrow with updated pics, and again THANK YOU so much for all of your help.

ps: she has a bald belly now, pretty much. sometimes we think she is maybe pulling it out, yet there is no clumps of fur?

Sandiesquirrel
04-12-2016, 12:00 AM
http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=271852&stc=1

First picture so lets start a process of elimination or suspect...
Could she be dragging her belly on something she climbs in and out of?
What is her nesting area made of cube or wood box?
Does she get wet/damp from her own urine?


have thought of that. hmmm. it is possible I guess. they both have separate of course 6' x 3' cages with three stories, ledges to stand on (those are wood), trees screwed in there to mimic habitat, and I use infant fleece hats (they LOVE) turned upside down to mimic a drey/nest... they love them and hang in them a LOT... I put fiber fill from a pillow in winter months (even tho it's warm and a heated room) and a fleece shammy like for car washing in... they are very spoiled.
see, he is just fine, and has same set up, conditions...why it makes no sense to me.. thought about the fruit flies we HAD, but again, he is good... nothing adds up for me? tho she does climb in/out of hat/beddie, but so does he???
I do love process of elimination though. Thanks

smurfangel182
04-12-2016, 12:49 AM
Just throwing this out there but she could also be more sensitive than he is even to the smallest thing. Have you tried completely cleaning her cage out? Everything and maybe start fresh? Just a thought.

stepnstone
04-12-2016, 05:27 AM
First picture so lets start a process of elimination or suspect...
Could she be dragging her belly on something she climbs in and out of?
What is her nesting area made of cube or wood box?
Does she get wet/damp from her own urine?


have thought of that. hmmm. it is possible I guess. they both have separate of course 6' x 3' cages with three stories, ledges to stand on (those are wood), trees screwed in there to mimic habitat, and I use infant fleece hats (they LOVE) turned upside down to mimic a drey/nest... they love them and hang in them a LOT... I put fiber fill from a pillow in winter months (even tho it's warm and a heated room) and a fleece shammy like for car washing in... they are very spoiled.
see, he is just fine, and has same set up, conditions...why it makes no sense to me.. thought about the fruit flies we HAD, but again, he is good... nothing adds up for me? tho she does climb in/out of hat/beddie, but so does he???
I do love process of elimination though. Thanks

It's really not that unusual for one to develop a condition the other don't, it can happen even with those in the same cage.
I would think that this is isolated to her for whatever has caused it. The fleece hat drays pretty much rule out rubbing getting
in and out. The one thing I keep focusing on is those red sores, they each seem to have taken a progression in turn which makes
me wonder if she's not getting bitten. Spider maybe? What do they look like today?

http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=271871&stc=1

I suspect whatever caused the sores is the initial irritation that has caused the fur loss...
The suggestion to totally clean and change out her cage is a good starting place, I would do that. While doing that I would also check the heads of the screws you have in the limbs to make sure they are embedded so she is unable to catch on any. Also look for any "crawlers" that may be living in the recesses of her cage.
For starters on her I would concentrate on the sores, I would clean her whole area with a diluted betadine solution easily obtained at a drug store and apply a anti biotic ointment on the sores such as Neosporin and repeat the process daily as needed. You may also want to consider a treatment of revolution in the case of mites which could be a possibility as one of the signs of mites is sores or scabs in the same area and hair loss. All it would take is 1-2 drops of Revolution or even Frontline which is what my vet uses. It would not hurt her to treat even as a precautionary.

island rehabber
04-12-2016, 06:15 AM
:goodpost

CritterMom
04-12-2016, 07:49 AM
YES to the Betadyne solution (povidone iodine). It is in the wound care area of the drug store and it is good old fashioned iodine. It is VERY strong and should never be used full strength. To dilute, add about 20 drops of the Betadye to 1/4 cup water. You are looking for a solution the color of iced tea. I usually warm it up. Using either a cotton ball or a little piece cutoff of a washcloth, saturate the skin in any areas you are seeing these sores - and well beyond. As long as you make sure you get it on the skin you are all set. You can use a paper towel to blot the extra off the fur but the residue won't hurt them even if they lick it. Once a day is acceptable, twice a day is best. Povidone iodine is both anti-bacterial and anti-fungal so it covers a lot of bases really easily with no sticky creams, etc.

stepnstone
04-13-2016, 02:51 AM
Asked to post most recent pictures...
Treatment for mites, possible staph?
We've seen this (feet) before....

http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=271903&stc=1

http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=271904&stc=1

http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=271905&stc=1

http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=271906&stc=1

http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=271907&stc=1

Sandiesquirrel
04-13-2016, 08:44 PM
Sorry for so many, I do photography and have a fast camera... lol I get carried away especially with them....
I havent really looked too much at her ears, tho, I check them both over well (him more) every day/night... I will look...
sorry for the "lady" pics, my hubby was taking them as I had to hold her, she only trusts me.
I will try to get updated pics tomorrow and also check ears, etc... I have close up glasses that may assist. am I looking for bugs? etc? I know last summer we had a LOT of fruit flies.... ridiculous...
Wish I knew how you posted the pictures.. lol
I will get back to you tomorrow with updated pics, and again THANK YOU so much for all of your help.

ps: she has a bald belly now, pretty much. sometimes we think she is maybe pulling it out, yet there is no clumps of fur?

Sorry to bother you, was wondering if you saw updated pictures I emailed you? or any thought?

Sandiesquirrel
04-13-2016, 09:53 PM
Asked to post most recent pictures...
Treatment for mites, possible staph?
We've seen this (feet) before....

http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=271903&stc=1

http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=271904&stc=1

http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=271905&stc=1

http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=271906&stc=1

http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=271907&stc=1


Ok, have thought about mites, looked with special glasses, rubbed her with tape... look, nothing...
Staph? how can they get that? I am curious. please help... I hope I am not over reacting but I dont think so? what can I do for her? Ivermectin 1% solution ? for mites that don't see? wont hurt her I am told if not...
If staph thoughts please tell me what to do, and if it will hurt to treat either way?
can it be a possible UTI?

Sandiesquirrel
04-13-2016, 10:20 PM
It's really not that unusual for one to develop a condition the other don't, it can happen even with those in the same cage.
I would think that this is isolated to her for whatever has caused it. The fleece hat drays pretty much rule out rubbing getting
in and out. The one thing I keep focusing on is those red sores, they each seem to have taken a progression in turn which makes
me wonder if she's not getting bitten. Spider maybe? What do they look like today?

http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=271871&stc=1

I suspect whatever caused the sores is the initial irritation that has caused the fur loss...
The suggestion to totally clean and change out her cage is a good starting place, I would do that. While doing that I would also check the heads of the screws you have in the limbs to make sure they are embedded so she is unable to catch on any. Also look for any "crawlers" that may be living in the recesses of her cage.
For starters on her I would concentrate on the sores, I would clean her whole area with a diluted betadine solution easily obtained at a drug store and apply a anti biotic ointment on the sores such as Neosporin and repeat the process daily as needed. You may also want to consider a treatment of revolution in the case of mites which could be a possibility as one of the signs of mites is sores or scabs in the same area and hair loss. All it would take is 1-2 drops of Revolution or even Frontline which is what my vet uses. It would not hurt her to treat even as a precautionary.

great advice an much appreciated. For the record, cage is cleaned often, hat/dreys are replaced, washed, (no detergent), tried anti fungal cream just in case, had major fruit flies last summer, removed them and sprayed to rid of them, then brought them back...
I would hope I would see a spider or crawler as I am NOT a fan of them...
My rehabber friend said to possibly Generic-Ivermectin-Injection-50-1%25
won't hurt her even if not effected with mites, just in case. Thoughts?
I will get the Betadine solution and start on that as well...
she does have wood shelves (difficult to clean well) and many tree branches to climb. But will double check for screws, attachments, etc.... all fantastic advice and very much appreciated....
I also want to get pictures of her woman hood, not to be gross, but I want to ensure it is not a UTI, or something I am missing. Thanks in advance. Love you guys...

Sandiesquirrel
04-13-2016, 10:34 PM
great advice an much appreciated. For the record, cage is cleaned often, hat/dreys are replaced, washed, (no detergent), tried anti fungal cream just in case, had major fruit flies last summer, removed them and sprayed to rid of them, then brought them back...
I would hope I would see a spider or crawler as I am NOT a fan of them...
My rehabber friend said to possibly Generic-Ivermectin-Injection-50-1%25
won't hurt her even if not effected with mites, just in case. Thoughts?
I will get the Betadine solution and start on that as well...
she does have wood shelves (difficult to clean well) and many tree branches to climb. But will double check for screws, attachments, etc.... all fantastic advice and very much appreciated....
I also want to get pictures of her woman hood, not to be gross, but I want to ensure it is not a UTI, or something I am missing. Thanks in advance. Love you guys...

I just had a thought, due to all's recommendations and I soooo appreciate them made me think of something....
I should maybe put her in an old cage for a bit (no 6'' X 3' but large), rehang hat, etc.... and see if it clears up? she may be unhappy at first, but worth a shot??
what do you think?
that would tell me something in cage??? right?
Just a thought

Sandiesquirrel
04-16-2016, 10:09 PM
Update:
Spoke to a vet out west. possibly urine burn? fungal? said dont do all at once, one thing at a time so we know what's up and where coming from.
Today replaced wood logs (possibly saturated) and wooden shelves (found two potential screws that could have been an issue, but doubtful, removing all doubt) with Lexan (and peices of gorrilla tape so she has a focal point) applied anti fungal cream.
will repeat and keep up for 2 weeks suggested, after if not resoled, try ivermectin. that should be quick?
after that if not, try metonidazole.
Comments or suggestions are always welcome. Thank you all <3

Mel1959
04-16-2016, 10:47 PM
Trying one thing at a time sounds like good advice. Good luck and hope it works.:grin2

SammysMom
04-17-2016, 12:34 AM
If it comes down to meds, i would use one drop of Revolution flea/parasite treatment if possible rather than ivermectin. It is one that just goes on the skin between the shoulder blades.

stepnstone
04-17-2016, 12:45 AM
Update:
Spoke to a vet out west. possibly urine burn? fungal? said dont do all at once, one thing at a time so we know what's up and where coming from.
Today replaced wood logs (possibly saturated) and wooden shelves (found two potential screws that could have been an issue, but doubtful, removing all doubt) with Lexan (and peices of gorrilla tape so she has a focal point) applied anti fungal cream.
will repeat and keep up for 2 weeks suggested, after if not resoled, try ivermectin. that should be quick?
after that if not, try metonidazole.
Comments or suggestions are always welcome. Thank you all <3

If it winds up to be fungal changing out her environment should help. If you get to the use of Ivermectin please get
specific instructions on the proper dose, you don't want to risk over dosing. Metonidazole aka Flagyl is an antibiotic
and antiprotozoal medication which I believe another member suggested earlier. Maybe not possible for you but the
ideal scenario would be to have a vet actually examine/test her to determine cause and subscribe a related treatment
without her going through "trials."