36 female pneumonia brother died last night same symptoms

[mavesame]

Husband found squirrel nest in trees that were cut down. Originally there were 3 but one died of injures in the fall. Mom was not seen all day. Brought home on the 2nd and great progress until late evening yesterday the 6th. That's when male stopped eating and audible clicking started around 11pm. He was gone by 2am.

SHE ATE FINE AT 2AM. NO CLICKING. GOOD MOVEMENTS. They were both around 30g when found.

She is now 36g and just started loss of appetite at 8am. I cannot tell you if there was any aspiration as my 17 and 19 year old children were helping to feed. This was their first unobserved rehab. Whatever it is its causing lung issues. Want to give the "old college try".

I have human bactrim 800/160 and doxycycline 100mg.
what is the dilution?

you may pm me or email young mariane @ gmail. No spaces of course.

[SammysMom]

Although Bactrim may help, is it possible for you to get even 1 tablet of cipro for humans or baytril for pets? It is a faster working med and is probably what you need. I am not at how so am not sure of dilutions, but someone will be along shortly. If not, I will be home In 1-2 hours and will pm dilutions.
Cipro is commonly used for uti issues in women. Check around and see if you can find even just one tablet.

[mavesame]

No chance. The one person around here that may give me one is on duty until 7pm. We will wait. Hopefully she will dwait it out because she is of a better weight than her sib was.

[island rehabber]

I would not let this animal go an entire day with nothing; start the Bactrim anyway and switch to Cipro when you get it. We will have to get the dilution for you....

[mavesame]

10:30 am feeding went well. 1.5 ml of puppy replacement. And her BF PP&F (before pee, poop, and feed) weight was 35g and her AF (after) feed weight was 38g (boarder line probably more like 37g)

I always keep a feed journal. In this case I took a half day off for some intense work time and let my kids take over. I am going back to full observation until I can be sure they know what they are doing. Looking back in the journal this really started yesterday morning with the male (Jasper). Poor guy I wish I had seen that earlier and maybe I could have done better.

I always use puppy replacement but read something as to NOT use it? Why and could this be causing our problems?

BTW female does have a name. "Peaches", Peaches did not exhibit any pops for about a minute before feeding and none for a minute after. I hope it was just a fluke.

BUT still need those dilutions if y'all can help. These poor babies lives change so very fast.

More on my experience. I have rehabbed when needed for 20 years. Everything, turtles, lizards, fuzzy anything. I have the scars to prove it. I'm not so great with birds but will go by the book until I can give them to someone who is (usually our aunt if she can accommodate) We also re-home the young ones who seem to get into trouble in the city. We trap, pick up and drop off in the woods or bayou near our house. (we live in a semi rural area) We do NOT advertise but friends or work acquaintances will call for help with relocating "pests" about 5-6 times a year.

I have in the past rehabbed from pinkies: possums, squirrels, pet rat babies, & a hairy 5 week, eyes-closed raccoon.
I have about an 75% survival rate. If I can get them thru the first 48 hours I have 100% survival rate. Except for Jasper.... Its the unknown injuries, hypothermia, and dehydration that are the main enemies. ALL THIS TO SAY: I'm pretty confident in what I am doing. If I can add info on dosing for pneumonia to my arsenal I would be grateful.

[mavesame]

I would not let this animal go an entire day with nothing; start the Bactrim anyway and switch to Cipro when you get it. We will have to get the dilution for you....

yes please.

[island rehabber]

10:30 am feeding went well. 1.5 ml of puppy replacement. And her BF PP&F (before pee, poop, and feed) weight was 35g and her AF (after) feed weight was 38g (boarder line probably more like 37g)

I always keep a feed journal. In this case I took a half day off for some intense work time and let my kids take over. I am going back to full observation until I can be sure they know what they are doing. Looking back in the journal this really started yesterday morning with the male (Jasper). Poor guy I wish I had seen that earlier and maybe I could have done better.

I always use puppy replacement but read something as to NOT use it? Why and could this be causing our problems?

BTW female does have a name. "Peaches", Peaches did not exhibit any pops for about a minute before feeding and none for a minute after. I hope it was just a fluke.

BUT still need those dilutions if y'all can help. These poor babies lives change so very fast.

More on my experience. I have rehabbed when needed for 20 years. Everything, turtles, lizards, fuzzy anything. I have the scars to prove it. I'm not so great with birds but will go by the book until I can give them to someone who is (usually our aunt if she can accommodate) We also re-home the young ones who seem to get into trouble in the city. We trap, pick up and drop off in the woods or bayou near our house. (we live in a semi rural area) We do NOT advertise but friends or work acquaintances will call for help with relocating "pests" about 5-6 times a year.

I have in the past rehabbed from pinkies: possums, squirrels, pet rat babies, & a hairy 5 week, eyes-closed raccoon.
I have about an 75% survival rate. If I can get them thru the first 48 hours I have 100% survival rate. Except for Jasper.... Its the unknown injuries, hypothermia, and dehydration that are the main enemies. ALL THIS TO SAY: I'm pretty confident in what I am doing. If I can add info on dosing for pneumonia to my arsenal I would be grateful.

Gotcha, mavesame. Aspiration pneumonia is the #1 cause of death of squirrels in rehab because of their eagerness to feed, and because they need to be fed with a syringe, preferably with nipple attachment, in an UPRIGHT POSITION until they are at least 5 wks old and after that on their tummies -- NEVER in a laid-back position like a human baby and NEVER with a baby bottle or syringe larger than 3cc. (That last bit is up for debate; my personal practice is never use anything larger than 3cc.)

Enrofloxacin (Baytril) and ciprofloxacin (Cipro) are still the go-to drugs for aspiration pneumonia. Bactrim is so slow as to be almost useless. Baytril will work within 48 hours and need only be given for 48-72 hours beyond that to cure the pneumonia. Cipro, if dosed correctly, is almost as quick. That's why we're harping on those AB's :grin2.

Please go very slowly with her until she gets some meds to help her breathe while feeding, otherwise she'll aspirate again. I would not allow ANYONE else to feed her....sorry.

Are you certain that your Bactrim is 800/160? I can't find that particular strength anywhere in my literature in order to figure a dilution for you.

[Nancy in New York]

I will pm you dosing instructions for this.
Do you have 1 cc's syringes? I didn't read the whole thread.
ALSO you HAVE to give probiotics 2 hours prior or 2 hours after giving
any anitbiotics?
I will start typing this up now.

[mavesame]

I will pm you dosing instructions for this.
Do you have 1 cc's syringes? I didn't read the whole thread.
ALSO you HAVE to give probiotics 2 hours prior or 2 hours after giving
any anitbiotics?
I will start typing this up now.

thankyou

[mavesame]

Gotcha, mavesame. Aspiration pneumonia is the #1 cause of death of squirrels in rehab because of their eagerness to feed, and because they need to be fed with a syringe, preferably with nipple attachment, in an UPRIGHT POSITION until they are at least 5 wks old and after that on their tummies -- NEVER in a laid-back position like a human baby and NEVER with a baby bottle or syringe larger than 3cc. (That last bit is up for debate; my personal practice is never use anything larger than 3cc.)

Enrofloxacin (Baytril) and ciprofloxacin (Cipro) are still the go-to drugs for aspiration pneumonia. Bactrim is so slow as to be almost useless. Baytril will work within 48 hours and need only be given for 48-72 hours beyond that to cure the pneumonia. Cipro, if dosed correctly, is almost as quick. That's why we're harping on those AB's :grin2.

Please go very slowly with her until she gets some meds to help her breathe while feeding, otherwise she'll aspirate again. I would not allow ANYONE else to feed her....sorry.

Are you certain that your Bactrim is 800/160? I can't find that particular strength anywhere in my literature in order to figure a dilution for you.




Yes generic for Bactrim 800/160 did not see generic name before.

[island rehabber]

OK -- you should have a private message in your Inbox from Nancy in NY with dosing instructions! :thumbsup

[mavesame]

Thank you all. The fastest reply time board I have ever been on.

I have the suspension ready for her if needed. I am going to be taking her with me in the car today as I am on appointments. BAD TIMING! My oldest will be staying in the car to maintain temps with A/C and Peaches heating pad. Thermometer.

I have it all set up/done this before. The only thing I don't like is the long distance car ride.

Ever heard of car sickness in one so small? I haven't but never know.

Will keep you posted. Hopefully you won't hear from me for a while! Or only with good news.

These little ones keep us up and at it, don't they?

[island rehabber]

In my experience (11 yrs) car rides dehydrate baby squirrels. Even when you feed them on their normal formula schedule. I would say maintain the heat, of course, but watch out for dehydration and overheating.

[Nancy in New York]

In my experience (11 yrs) car rides dehydrate baby squirrels. Even when you feed them on their normal formula schedule. I would say maintain the heat, of course, but watch out for dehydration and overheating.
Good Post Maura!
And when on Bactrim, ALWAYS keep them hydrated...........and remember the probiotics.