Scooter has a hurt leg

[Chickenlegs]

Poor little Scooter has a hurt leg. i'll need to get a pix tomorrow as he's gone to bed for the night. It started about 5 days ago as a little scratch--no worries but his back legs are paralyzed and after a day or so, it started looking like the fur was rubbing off. Then the cut became a sore spot. I put Sulfedine on it during the day and slathered it with baby ointment at night to protect it from pee. This morning it looked bigger and angry. I put some DermaGel on it, a dressing, and wrapped the leg loosely--tight enough to keep a bandage on but not tight. This evening when I checked his leg there was blood on the dressing. i left the dressing in place but slathered the area with Sulfedine and diaper ointment before bed to keep urine off. He hasn't been grooming the sore spot that I've seen but it's not looking good. I have no vet here but did bring my drug box. Like i said, I'll get a pix tomorrow. I'm tempted to give him enough Tramadol to keep him sleepy and less active just to let that place heal. Sure could use some TSB advice.

[SammysMom]

I am so sorry to see this... Would an ecollar help if he is pestering it? If it would, just semd me the address and I will put one in the mail. Many healing prayers for poor Scooter...
Sammy sends his love...:Love_Icon:Love_Icon:Love_Icon

[Chickenlegs]

Thanks Gayle. I'll send a PM with the address here--tho I wonder if he"ll tolerate it. He took the dressing off last night and it actually looks a little better tho I still think it's awful. I kept him out for hours this morning--just to make sure he's not scraping that leg on the edges of the shelves of his big cage. I need to make some climbing walls to keep his legs from rubbing. The hurt one is the inside leg (his legs scissor with one on the inside and one out). Guess it would be worse if it was the outside leg. His hurt leg has some degree of use so he pushes some with it. I was wondering if anybody knows about a "drag bag" and has experience with it. He gets urine scald in the crease on that side. He's decided he's too big for pottying--that would solve any problems with urine scald. He HATES a bath but really needs one daily. He's getting bigger--and more opinionated--so I'm finding there's consequences to doing what's good for him--that "no good deed goes unpunished". Had to get another box of bandaids.

[stosh2010]

Thanks Gayle. I'll send a PM with the address here--tho I wonder if he"ll tolerate it. He took the dressing off last night and it actually looks a little better tho I still think it's awful. I kept him out for hours this morning--just to make sure he's not scraping that leg on the edges of the shelves of his big cage. I need to make some climbing walls to keep his legs from rubbing. The hurt one is the inside leg (his legs scissor with one on the inside and one out). Guess it would be worse if it was the outside leg. His hurt leg has some degree of use so he pushes some with it. I was wondering if anybody knows about a "drag bag" and has experience with it. He gets urine scald in the crease on that side. He's decided he's too big for pottying--that would solve any problems with urine scald. He HATES a bath but really needs one daily. He's getting bigger--and more opinionated--so I'm finding there's consequences to doing what's good for him--that "no good deed goes unpunished". Had to get another box of bandaids.

You need a MILAGRO-Glove-----------------works wonders...and makes bath time...blood-free.

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( having a paralyzed squirrel--has taught me many lessons. )

[Chickenlegs]

You need a MILAGRO-Glove-----------------works wonders...and makes bath time...blood-free.

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( having a paralyzed squirrel--has taught me many lessons. )

AMEN to that! Scooter is younger than Milagro so it's taking some time for his contrary squirrel self to kick in. Are your Milagro gloves waterproof? Scooter has become wary of running water--as if it's coming for HIM! Do Milagro's legs "scissor"? Are his upper arms getting REALLY buff? How many baths does he get per day? I'm lucky to get one in. Scooter acts like I'm trying to kill him.

[stosh2010]

AMEN to that! Scooter is younger than Milagro so it's taking some time for his contrary squirrel self to kick in. Are your Milagro gloves waterproof? No, they are Leather. But they don't get very wet.

Scooter has become wary of running water--as if it's coming for HIM! I don't use running water--the noise and movement frightens Milagro. I use a small -DEEP-plastic food container, like Tupperware. I "nuke" it for 33 seconds, and it is perfect temp in about 2 minutes afterwards. Milagro actually gets calmer--the minute I DIP him in. I hold him with the gloved hand, and in my other (un-gloved hand) I wash his belly, legs and tail, with a small rag or a piece of a wash cloth, to remove any urine. I also massage and express his belly while he's in the water. I usually get a poop or 2 during his bath time.I have 8-10 paper towels ready to dry him off. I continue to hold him with the glove, i sit him on a paper towel on my knee, and I circle his belly with the paper towels, gently squeezing, and drying between his legs and his body. I change out the towels as they get wet. I am talking to him the whole time. He is usually calm for awhile, but if I change position or stand up--he goes FRISKY on me.

Do Milagro's legs "scissor"? Sometimes, but usually they are just "back there" at some weird angle.

Are his upper arms getting REALLY buff? He is so strong in his upper body. When he climbs the wire on his cage, he can turn his body, and throw himself almost 6 inches --sideways--and land on the big branch.

How many baths does he get per day? I'm lucky to get one in. Milagro was getting 3 or 4 a day--for about 6 weeks. That was when he was on a total syringe/yogurt/ Ensure/applejuice diet. I had to bathe him after each feeding... He was not eating solids for a while.But Now, he eats pretty good. He gets almost the same food variety as the C.R.CREW. So he gets one bath a day, and on weekends sometimes two baths. No soap--just warm water. I use squirrel soap only once a week.

Scooter acts like I'm trying to kill him. I think the movement and noise are scaring him.-try a small tub--and HOLD on TIGHT. I wouldn't even consider trying it with out gloves. My little MILAGRO goes from calm >>> to chainsaw--in about 2 seconds.... LOVE-the-GLOVE

[stosh2010]

ALSO---when I'm getting him ready to bathe--- I sit him on my knee, tuck a soft paper napkin or toilet tissue between his back leg and his body, and start to express him--firmly running two fingers down the front of his belly -from chest to groin, combined with gentle compressions of his lower belly and groin area. This usually results in urine -which is soaked up by the napkin-and sometimes poop. This also keeps the bath water cleaner, if I can empty his bladder before putting him in the water.
Milagro seems to enjoy the warm -still -water. He will sit there for 10 minutes , being washed and massaged the entire time. I don't know WHAT he can or can not feel...touch, temperature, movement, ??? but he sits still and rarely tries to move.

[stosh2010]

What is on the bottom of Scooter's cage?
Could it be causing friction and thus the open sores ?
I have carpet in Milagro's box and change it out, every 2 or 3 days for a second piece. I also have a fat branch that he sits/hangs on,when he is not dragging himself around on the carpet. I hose it off outside, and let it dry outside. So every 48 hours I have a clean-dry-"floor" to install.

>> I just started using a shallow water bowl with small stones in it for Milagro--he LOVES it.
He never got the hang of the water bottle and he took to using the bowl 2 minutes after we put it in his box.

[Chickenlegs]

He's in for the night. Scooter had the BEST day. This house has been a work area--living room was full of electricians tools and the floor was covered in red paper tracked on by work boots. Decided to move the tools into the study and turn the dump into a real usable space. i bought a little desk and stool at a flea market and couldn't get it in because of all the tools. So i moved em--electrician will **** bricks but he's the slowest worker on the planet and it would be nice to have a living space before we leave to go home. Scooter was out scooting the whole two hours I was moving stuff and cleaning up the mess. His leg looked great--scabbed over but not irritated and the scab sealed the hurt. Afterward he was filthy so he got a bath (thanks Stosh--used gloves and warm STILL water) Dried him off and put him back in his cage. Checked on him an hour or so later and that wound is open, looks like the top layer of skin is rubbed raw, and absolutely not nearly as good as when it was dirty but scabbed. I think when he climbs around he must rub that spot and the bath made it soft so the scab rubbed off. Should I bandage it? i have non stick pads and surgical wrap. Should I give him some ABs just to make sure there's no infection gonna get in there? Tramadol to keep him zonked and less active? I am SO worried about that leg. is there an over the counter antiseptic powder I can get in the Wilds of Iowa? I'll get another pix if he wakes up tonight or for sure tomorrow.

[Milo's Mom]

Hey CL!! If he'll leave the wrap alone, I would wrap it...keeps the dirt out. If you do wrap it, use some of the Derma-Gel (if you have it in Iowa). If he's going to chew the wrap...might cause more issues than it'll do good.
You know how I feel about antibiotics...don't use them preemptively. If there is an infection, of course, start them right away...no infection = no meds.
The powder you're wondering about is called NeoPredef and I am fairly certain you need a script for it. I'll pull mine out and see what it's made out of so we can determine if there is something readily available over the counter. BRB.

[Milo's Mom]

Okay, some of our more advanced chemical people (HRT4SQRLS) are going to have to look at this to see if there is something similar over the counter. Although, I personally would look at TSC (or similar store) since it seems to be used on horses. :thinking

Here is the info I found on the stuff I have and used. (I did a copy paste, so way down below it talks about ears.....)

Description

NEO-PREDEF with Tetracaine Powder contains in each gram neomycin sulfate, 5 mg (equivalent to 3.5 mg neomycin); isoflupredone acetate, 1 mg; tetracaine hydrochloride, 5 mg; myristyl-gamma-picolinium chloride, 0.2 mg; also lactose hydrous. Because of the prompt, potent, and specific actions of the individual components, this combination is well suited for the treatment of certain ear and skin conditions occurring in dogs, cats and horses.
ADVANTAGES OF NEO-PREDEF WITH TETRACAINE
1. Highly potent anti-inflammatory effect of isoflupredone acetate.
2. Wide-spectrum bactericidal effect of neomycin.
3. Rapid anesthetic effect of tetracaine.
4. Prompt relief of symptoms.
5. Reduces further self-inflicted trauma.
6. Ease of application.
7. Adherent to moist surfaces


Isoflupredone Acetate

Isoflupredone acetate markedly inhibits inflammatory reaction through its controlling influence on connective tissue and vascular components. Topically applied isoflupredone acetate is usually rapidly effective. In otitis externa, wounds of the concha, ulcerations of the ear flaps, and irritated lesions of the skin, the inflammatory response may also be effectively inhibited by isoflupredone acetate. Chronic conditions respond more slowly and relapses are more frequent.
Neomycin

Neomycin is an antibiotic substance derived from cultures of the soil organism Streptomyces fradiae. Its antimicrobial range includes both gram-positive and gram-negative organisms commonly responsible for or associated with otic infections, such as staphylococci, streptococci, Escherichia coli, Aerobacter aerogenes, and many strains of Proteus and Pseudomonas organisms. It is not activehttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/icon1.png (http://www.drugs.com/vet/neo-predef-with-tetracaine-powder.html#) against fungi. Neomycin is unusually nontoxic for epithelial cells in tissue culture and is nonirritating in therapeutic concentrations. The presence of neomycin in NEO-PREDEF with Tetracaine Powder affords control of neomycin-sensitive organisms.
Tetracaine

Tetracaine hydrochloride is a topical anesthetic agent that is more potent than either procaine or cocaine in comparable concentration. The duration of anesthetic action of tetracaine exceeds that produced by either butacaine or phenacaine.
Many investigators have demonstrated that local anesthesia plays a significant part in the promotion of healing, especially where pain is a prominent factor. It is believed that trauma stimulates local pain receptors, which results in reflex vasodilation, edema, tenderness, and muscular spasm.
If the reflex is abolished through use of a local anesthetic such as tetracaine, amelioration of these tissue changes that interfere with healing is favored. The local anesthetic action of tetracaine has proved to be of great valuehttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/icon1.png (http://www.drugs.com/vet/neo-predef-with-tetracaine-powder.html#) in alleviating the pain reflex in painful skin and ear conditions.
Myristyl-gamma-picolinium Chloride

Myristyl-gamma-picolinium Chloride is highly germicidal, nonirritating and relatively nontoxic. In solutionhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/icon1.png (http://www.drugs.com/vet/neo-predef-with-tetracaine-powder.html#) it reduces surface tension (a surfactant), possesses detergent and emulsifying actions, and exhibits properties which favor the penetration and wetting of tissue surfaces. The drug is effective against a wide range of organisms, its active ingredient killing in ten minutes Staphylococcus aureus in dilutions up to 1:85,000 at 37 degrees Centigrade; E. typhosa in dilutions up to 1:140,000; Esch. coli in dilutions up to 1:40,000, and S. dysenteriae in dilutions up to 1:80,000.
Myristyl-gamma-picolinium Chloride has been used, per se, for preoperative disinfection of the skin, for application to superficial injuries, for irrigating deep wounds, and for application to infections and wounds of mucous membranes.
Neo-Predef with Tetracaine Powder Indications

NEO-PREDEF with Tetracaine Powder is indicated in the treatment or adjunctive therapy of certain ear and skin conditions in dogs, cats and horses caused by or associated with neomycin-susceptible organisms and/or allergy. In addition, it is indicated as superficial dressing applied to minor cuts, wounds, lacerations, abrasions, and for post-surgical application where reduction of pain and inflammatory response is deemed desirable. NEO-PREDEF with Tetracaine Powder may be used as a dusting powder following amputation of tails, claws, and dew-claws; following ear trimming and castrating; and following such surgical procedure as ovariohysterectomies.
Applied superficially, it has been used successfully in the treatment of acute otitis externa in dogs, acute moist dermatitis and interdigital dermatitis in the dog, and as a dusting powder to various minor cuts, lacerations, and abrasions in the horse, cat and dog.
Warnings

Not for human use. Do not use in horses intended for human consumption.
Clinical and experimental data have demonstrated that corticosteroids administered orally or by injection to animals may induce the first stage of parturition if used during the last trimester of pregnancy and may precipitate premature parturition followed by dystocia, fetal death, retained placenta and metritis.
Additionally, corticosteroids administered to dogs, rabbits, and rodents during pregnancy have resulted in cleft palate in offspring. Corticosteroids administered to dogs during pregnancy have also resulted in other congenital anomalies, including deformed forelegs, phocomelia, and anasarca.
Precautions

Before instilling any medication into the ear, examine the external ear canal thoroughly to be certain the tympanic membrane is not ruptured in order to avoid the possibility of transmitting infection to the middle ear as well as damaging the cochlea or vestibular apparatus from prolonged contact. If hearing or vestibular dysfunction is noted during the course of treatment discontinue use of NEO-PREDEF with Tetracaine Powder.
Incomplete response or exacerbation of corticosteroid-response lesions may be due to the presence of nonsusceptible organisms or to prolonged use of antibiotic-containing preparations resulting in overgrowth of nonsusceptible organisms, particularly Monilia. Thus, if improvement is not noted within two or three days, or if redness, irritation, or swelling persists or increases, the diagnosis should be redetermined and appropriate therapeutic measures initiated.
Application

After cleansing the affected area, NEO-PREDEF with Tetracaine Powder is applied by compressing the sides of the container with short, sharp squeezes. In most instances a single daily application will be sufficient; however, it may be applied one to three times daily, as required.

[Chickenlegs]

Thanks Betsy. I tried ordering but no vet no powder--as you expected. i did order an antiseptic powder that has anti-inflammatory properties so maybe that will help. The Sulfadine makes the scab soft so it's good but bad. I need to make the boy some climbing walls to protect his legs from rubbing. A chore for this evening. He needs baths to clean the pee off of him and I do put diaper ointment in the creases. He can't get to those areas to lick it off. Can't let his legs touch anything after a bath until the scab sets up again. He is SO full of piss and vinegar--and a sweetheart! You'd love him.

[Milo's Mom]

Do you have to soak the wounded leg? Would you be able to do sponge baths just till the scab gets set up all nice...at least on that leg. How about using a bulb syringe or a turkey baster to "flush" that leg instead of "soaking it"....maybe? :thinking Then just pat it dry carefully.

[Chickenlegs]

since the issue is urine scald I'll do just that. This evening it's a little better but still has a raw spot at the crease.

[Chickenlegs]

He's dirty but the leg is better. Still not as good as I would wish but the scab is in place. If it stays like that for a week he'll be good to go. He gets his run time in the morning. This is a work zone so he gets dusty and dirty. I have a brush and when he gets wound down he'll let me brush him.That helps. While he's happy not having a bath, I'm looking forward to a nice clean boy again--a nice clean boy with a healed leg. I've learned to be careful of any edges he can rub against. I think the original scratch was from a branch I gave him to climb on. He chewed it up and one rough edge scratched. When a squirrel is paralyzed, nothing is minor. And THAT is a lesson I learned at my baby's expense. :sadness

[lennysmom]

Been following and lurking - I'm glad to read Scooter seems to be on the mend. :thumbsup

[Milo's Mom]

Glad to hear the leg is healing up. :dance There's plenty of time for baths. :grin3

[Chickenlegs]

That boy knocks the scab off his leg every day. A horse friend told me to try "Wonder Dust." It's wound powder and dries that wound right up. The ingredients are: Lodoform-2%, Potassium alum-5%, Flowers of sulfur-2%, Tannic acid-2%, Activated charcoal-5%, Copper Sulfate-13%, Hydrated lime-71%. My options are limited and this friend has used it on squirrels with good results so I took a deep breath, sprinkled some on and the wound dries up like magic and looks great UNTIL he knocks the scab off. Question is, wrapping it hasn't been a great success so far. He leaves the wrap alone but every dressing thus far has made the wound weep and look worse. Can I use Nexcare Tagaderm to cover the wound? I could get the scab dry with the Wonder Dust and then apply the patch and hopefully protect that place without a dressing. The patch is waterproof but breathes. I can't take him to a vet and even tho there's no infection, that place stays raw. Help?

[Chickenlegs]

Posted earlier but didn't get a reply. Lord knows folks are crazy busy. Just need some advice re Wonder Dust--which has worked amazingly well for Scooter by the way but I want to see if anybody else has any knowledge of it. So far the scab is holding.. Occasionally an edge will scrape a bit and I dust it. I'm trying to minimize places in his big cage where he can rub the scab off.

[TubeDriver]

That sounds like a good plan! Lodoform is toxic so make sure he does not eat any of that wonder powder!


Posted earlier but didn't get a reply. Lord knows folks are crazy busy. Just need some advice re Wonder Dust--which has worked amazingly well for Scooter by the way but I want to see if anybody else has any knowledge of it. So far the scab is holding.. Occasionally an edge will scrape a bit and I dust it. I'm trying to minimize places in his big cage where he can rub the scab off.

[Chickenlegs]

Thanks Pete. He was good as gold but this afternoon he's knocked the scab off again. I think I'll just get some roll gauze, wrap it before bedtime and leave it on all day. If he gets pee on it so be it. At least the scab will stay in place and I can always rewrap it.

[Pnut832]

How is scooters leg doing? I am thinking about ordering derma gel for my peanut, is it non toxic if they lick it? His sores haven't stabbed yet and the Dermagel sounds like it might help?
Just talked to local feed store they have the vetericyn they say it's very good & nontoxic what do you think?

[Chickenlegs]

I've used Vetericyn and it's good but DermaGel is amazing. Betsy (Milo's Mom) told me about it when Baby Girl came in with a torn up leg. Gooooood stuff and actually less expensive than the Vetericyn. I checked in because I've FINALLY (I hope) found a solution to Scooter's leg. I put away his cage. His new "cage" is the bathroom upstairs. Slick marble tile floor, no bars. Lots of fleece on the floor. Nothing to rub on. No bandages. I took the advice of an old medicine man I met here and got some "sovereign silver". This afternoon his leg was raw AGAIN. That's when I got rid of his cage. I squirted some sovereign silver on it and pretty much left it alone. This evening the leg looked dry and not as irritated. He got a bath tonight to wash off pee. I dusted his leg with wonder dust to dry it off and when I turned off the light his sweet leg looked better than it has in over a week. So Derma Gel is wonderful stuff, non toxic and has worked for others (me too). I'll let you know about the sovereign silver but you take it orally so how bad can it be and thus far I give it a thumbs up applied topically.

[Nancy in New York]

I've used Vetericyn and it's good but DermaGel is amazing. Betsy (Milo's Mom) told me about it when Baby Girl came in with a torn up leg. Gooooood stuff and actually less expensive than the Vetericyn. I checked in because I've FINALLY (I hope) found a solution to Scooter's leg. I put away his cage. His new "cage" is the bathroom upstairs. Slick marble tile floor, no bars. Lots of fleece on the floor. Nothing to rub on. No bandages. I took the advice of an old medicine man I met here and got some "sovereign silver". This afternoon his leg was raw AGAIN. That's when I got rid of his cage. I squirted some sovereign silver on it and pretty much left it alone. This evening the leg looked dry and not as irritated. He got a bath tonight to wash off pee. I dusted his leg with wonder dust to dry it off and when I turned off the light his sweet leg looked better than it has in over a week. So Derma Gel is wonderful stuff, non toxic and has worked for others (me too). I'll let you know about the sovereign silver but you take it orally so how bad can it be and thus far I give it a thumbs up applied topically.

Well this is a great update!:bliss
Slick marble floors sounds like the perfect solution for Scooter!
Just when you figure out the solution, it's almost time to go home.
Put those marble floors in before you get there though. :)
Where do you get the sovereign silver? Can you imagine if this
does the trick! WOW these medicine men sure know their stuff.
Where did you meet him?
I hope you are having a nice time, but there's no place like home. :serene
:hug

[island rehabber]

Thank goodness, CL! I wonder if sovereign silver is the same as colloidal silver? Lots of interesting stuff out there about its healing properties:

http://www.herbwisdom.com/herb-colloidal-silver.html

[Chickenlegs]

Hi guys! I feel like the worst squirrel mama in the universe. I thought that nice big cage would be the answer to prayers--lots of safe places to climb. It just kept knocking the scab off. This morning that leg looks like it has an owie on it with an intact scab. Scooter is incontinent. He pees on himself and that's problematic. AND he drags his little penis. You ever heard of a drag bag? If it would stay on him it would do a world of good for his boy parts. I got the sovereign silver at a little whole foods store here. I'm getting a few bottles to bring back. The label says it's manufactured by "Natural Immunogenics Corp.". Jerry the medicine man said sovereign silver has much finer molecules than colloidal silver. Then he lost me talking about the electrical charges of the molecules being different on the inside and outside of the molecule and how they interact with tissue. I've been seeing him every Tuesday and finally got to meet him. He's a good reason to come back here to Iowa--something to look forward to. Thus far, Scooter's owie looks better and if i have to do a dance in the moonlight at midnight every other Friday night with a basket of corn on my head and my ears stuffed with strawberries, to get him better, I'll do it.

[Chickenlegs]

Mr Scooter had likely groomed his hurt leg this morning but it's not a great open wound--just an owie that shouldn't have been groomed so early. His leg is wrapped and as he got some run time downstairs this morning. His poor little penis gets dragged around, so he got a loin cloth. He dragged to his hearts content and that little peepee stayed clean and dry. He's back in his room now with his leg still wrapped and a new loincloth. Boy will have more playtime this evening after nap time. He got his favorite treat when he went to his room--peanut butter and jelly samich. The jelly is Amish peach compote--just peaches no sugar. Boy was happy for once to go in his room.

[Milo's Mom]

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[TubeDriver]

CL, you deserve sainthood status for working with these really hands-on, super involved cases! :great:bowdown



Mr Scooter had likely groomed his hurt leg this morning but it's not a great open wound--just an owie that shouldn't have been groomed so early. His leg is wrapped and as he got some run time downstairs this morning. His poor little penis gets dragged around, so he got a loin cloth. He dragged to his hearts content and that little peepee stayed clean and dry. He's back in his room now with his leg still wrapped and a new loincloth. Boy will have more playtime this evening after nap time. He got his favorite treat when he went to his room--peanut butter and jelly samich. The jelly is Amish peach compote--just peaches no sugar. Boy was happy for once to go in his room.

[island rehabber]

CL, you deserve sainthood status for working with these really hands-on, super involved cases! :great:bowdown

:yeahthat :bow

[Chickenlegs]

When I went to spend some time with Scooter this evening, His loincloth was doing great but the gauze on his hurt leg had some blood on it. I left it alone but squirted some sovereign silver on the gauze. What the heck! I took his cardboard box and anything else that he may scrape that leg on. All that's left is fleece and marble tile floor. Tomorrow I'll just let it air dry I guess. The loincloth really is keeping his peenie less irritated tho.

Pete I wish I could give them what you gave Henry the Fierce--freedom. Scooter will be fine once that leg heals but I do feel for Grady. I wonder if he remembers the trees.

[Nancy in New York]

Scooter will be fine once that leg heals but I do feel for Grady. I wonder if he remembers the trees.

:hug

[Chickenlegs]

Scooter is scooting around this morning--happy little camper. His penis looks soooooooooo much better and his leg looks pretty good too. He doesn't have on any body armor so I'm thinking he'll need a bath this evening. Right now he's climbing on HIS chair. My husband thinks it's his but Scooter loves tearing around on that chair when it's tipped onto it's back. Hubby is kind of a germaphobe so why he loves the nasty old chair that's grimy and so dusty a shop vac can't touch the accumulation, who knows! It's OK tho cause Scooter thinks that chair is the best playground EVER! He scoots around for awhile and then climbs up my leg for some lovins. I'm always happy to accommodate!

[Shewhosweptforest]

Aww that's the cutest face :Love_Icon I'm glad he's doing better...and thankful Poppy doesn't have man parts :eek

Oh and you know the old saying "what he (John) doesn't know can't hurt him" :gigg Scooter's just dusting off the chair anyway :grin3

[Chickenlegs]

Jon was offended I was letting Scooter run on his chair. Do you watch "The Big Bang Theory"? Jon is Sheldon. I offered to get the damn thing reupholstered for his birthday. He whined it was going to be expensive. I am NOT a neat freak but that chair disgusts ME. I used a VERY powerful shop vac on the damn thing. When I finished I slapped the seat. It was as dusty as it was before I fired up the vac. The arms are shiny with grime. Scooter LOVES it tho so he can have one chair and Jon the other--or vise versa.

[Shewhosweptforest]

Jon was offended I was letting Scooter run on his chair. Do you watch "The Big Bang Theory"? Jon is Sheldon. I offered to get the damn thing reupholstered for his birthday. He whined it was going to be expensive. I am NOT a neat freak but that chair disgusts ME. I used a VERY powerful shop vac on the damn thing. When I finished I slapped the seat. It was as dusty as it was before I fired up the vac. The arms are shiny with grime. Scooter LOVES it tho so he can have one chair and Jon the other--or vise versa.

:facepalm Oh if Jon is Sheldon, then all he has to do is sit there and "he'll know!" :facepalm :tilt

So I'm guessing the chair isn't making the trek back :grin3

[Chickenlegs]

I have a sweet little boy curled up in the bib of my overalls. His leg is holding steady--no new scrapes. He got to tear around for HOURS while I waited for the Sears man. I shudda put a loin cloth on him. Tonight his boy parts look kinda rough. He gets slathered with diaper ointment tonight and his leg squirted with sovereign silver. I love holding my sleepy sweet boy so much I would willingly sit in my rocking chair all night just to keep holding him. BUT Willi needs her goodnight lovies too and Grady needs his evening cereal and pottying. Oh yeah--that chair stays HERE (but not anywhere a prospective renter might see it). Everything in this house is flea market. That's the only thing that looks like it might actually have FLEAS.

[Shewhosweptforest]

:eek :rofl4

[JLM27]

Didn't Abby use some kind of stick to itself wrap on Charley? Might that work?

[Chickenlegs]

Yeah--it's like vet wrap but not nearly as colorful--and less abrasive. He doesn't like it but I know his parts are appreciative.

[Chickenlegs]

Scooter finally got an appointment with the doc last Monday. He got his leg wrapped from thigh to foot. Friday he went back and got his leg cleaned and rewrapped--but not as high up on his leg. That night he was climbing around and rubbed another spot right above the bandage. AAAAAAAAAAGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So the wrap came off. The Wonder Dust came out. He's dusted and until that leg is pretty well healed, he's confined to his hospital room--a black plastic trash bin that has no place to rub a hurt leg on and is escape proof. I put some "Yuk" around the edges of the owie just in case he decides to clean it. This is his leg as of this evening.

[TubeDriver]

What a precious little face! Scooter!:Love_Icon

I hope your plan works, it makes sense to me.:thumbsup

[Bravo]

C'mon Scooter, you gots to leave that leg alone. :grouphug

[Shewhosweptforest]

Oh Scooter...you are soo precious :Love_Icon I sure hope that clears up..soon:great We got to get that sweet boy straight....I really worry about him and that leg...I just don't understand what he's doing to cause that much damage :thinking

Pat I really enjoyed today :grin3 It was fun....it's good to have you back:Love_Icon You left Peanut's water bottle, too..... I'll get it to you :great I think we were so worried about Miss P getting ready for her ride home...we just forgot :facepalm

[JLM27]

How about a cone like Mia wears?

[Chickenlegs]

I swear if I could just induce a coma in a certain little boy squirrel for a week I think I could get that leg healed. It was looking SO good after two nights of Silver Sulfadine cream on a dressing wrapped to keep it in place. dressing stuck one place but that's OK. It can heal in there for all I care. This afternoon I changed the dressing on his leg and went to get some non stick gauze and the little #%*€¥# pulled the gauze off and the scab under it. DADBURNIT!!!!!!!!!

[TubeDriver]

Have you tried Derma Gel?



I swear if I could just induce a coma in a certain little boy squirrel for a week I think I could get that leg healed. It was looking SO good after two nights of Silver Sulfadine cream on a dressing wrapped to keep it in place. dressing stuck one place but that's OK. It can heal in there for all I care. This afternoon I changed the dressing on his leg and went to get some non stick gauze and the little #%*€¥# pulled the gauze off and the scab under it. DADBURNIT!!!!!!!!!

[Chickenlegs]

Have you tried Derma Gel?

I have. The dressing was sticking with DermaGel but not so much with the SS UNTIL! The wound is clean but just gotta get it granulating without HIM messing it up. He doesn't chew it or the bandage. If there's anything ON it tho--scab, gauze, cream, gel, he'll make sure his owie is squeaky clean. Problem is, he's so active he drags that leg across stuff that scrapes. It needs to be wrapped to protect it and that requires a dressing. Right now he's got the run of the tops of two cages covered with fleece. He won't climb down so he can have some playtime up there. I wish it could be lasered. That speeds up healing SO much!

[SammysMom]

Oh that naughty little "helper"! Saying healing prayers for this little guy and for YOU! It is so upsetting when they undo what we know will help them...:shakehead :grouphug:Love_Icon:grouphug

[Chickenlegs]

So with hubby's help the boy's leg was wrapped last night. He spent his day on top of a big cage in the squirrel room. He loves the freedom of hanging out up there. This afternoon he went into what was Grady's cube. Grady liked being under it. Scooter has made it his own and loves being in there with all the stuff he's dragged in. He didn't want to come out so after my Tuesday class I pulled him out and apparently he'd been peeing a lot because above the wrap was wet and SCALDED. A friend helped me cut the wrap off and he got a soak and his wound doctored and the scalded area cleaned and salved. I'm pretty sure there's feeling in Scooter's legs. He didn't want his leg touched and like most critters who hurt, he was quiet. Now that he's feeling better he's tearing around like a crazy thing. So he DOES have some feeling. Pain management? I've been treating his hurt as if he couldn't feel it. He doesn't complain other than not wanting to be man handled. Should I give him a little Tramadol to take the sting out of his leg?

On his chair feelin better

[SammysMom]

Do you have Metacam?

[Chickenlegs]

I do! It's from several months ago and I understand it shouldn't be refrigerated so it wasn't. Is that OK? It's a liquid-- 1.5 mg/ml.

[SammysMom]

How much does he weigh? I will send dosing in a PM

[Chickenlegs]

424 grams plus or minus a gram for "wiggle room". Thank you SOOOOOOOOO much.

[Chickenlegs]

Can he take it close to Baytril? Vet gave him 10 days worth. Guess to ward off infection.

[SammysMom]

Baytril is fine. I would say that Clavamox is a better choice for a wound, but it's not infected so I guess that's not a big deal. The only med you don't use it with is a steroid like Pred or Doxi. I will PM in one minute.

[Chickenlegs]

He's all dosed up and CRRRRRRAZY. That boy is FAST! I finally put him in his trash can. I kinda hoped he would mellow out and I'd get some snuggle time. Tuesday night hubby's taji buddies come over. Scooter wanted to be with them. He doesn't like them--just wanted to run up their legs and bite them. My boy apparently only has eyes for me--and with all the leg drama I'm just waiting till he only has teeth for me.

[TubeDriver]

:grin2



He's all dosed up and CRRRRRRAZY. That boy is FAST! I finally put him in his trash can. I kinda hoped he would mellow out and I'd get some snuggle time. Tuesday night hubby's taji buddies come over. Scooter wanted to be with them. He doesn't like them--just wanted to run up their legs and bite them. My boy apparently only has eyes for me--and with all the leg drama I'm just waiting till he only has teeth for me.

[SammysMom]

I hope this little devil is doing well this morning.:grouphug:Love_Icon:grouphug

[Chickenlegs]

I put Scooter on the fleece on top of the cages in the squirrel room. He likes running around up there and there's nothing he can rub his leg against. Come back awhile later and his leg is fine but there are two places that look chomped in his poor tail. Did he climb on Peanut's cage and his tail present an easy target? Did he chew it? Gayle sent an e-collar. Tried it yesterday and he FREAKED! When I saw his tail it got snapped on and that boy is MAD! His foot is wrapped and will be re bandaged morning and night for a week. I have DermaGel so will try keeping the wound slathered with that. I guess I'll need to take him back to the vet to check out his tail. It'll get bandaged this evening as well. Poor Scooter!

[SammysMom]

Peggy sends her sympathies...

[Chickenlegs]

Der Pegi
Mama mak mi wer dis neklis. I not lik. Dat bg skwrl sho mi hou tu rit on dis ting. I think it onli fer chu on. Nou dat bg skwrl sho mi hou to hav frenzy. Y yu got neklis. I gotsa neklis cuz mama said I chu on mi leg. It hard tu et wif neklis.
Yu fwen
Skutr

[SammysMom]

Hi Skutr...
This is Peggy... I had to wear that awful neck fing so I wouldn't chew my leg too. I stopped chewing it so this cwazy wady would take it OFF! She is nice sometimes and she did take it off. Maybe if you don't chew your leg and your pretty tail, your mama won't make you wear that mean neck thingie. I will tell the cwazy wady to tell your mama to take it off and you will be a good boy. You might have to wear it for a little while so your leg can get better though. I hope it is better soon Skutr, I know it is hard to eat with it on. Tell mama to put your food in a little bowl that is a little bit tall so that thingie goes around it and you can reach your food. Mama might have to put more in the bowl so that it hold the food you want up higher though. The cwazy wady here put funny blocks in the bowl to hold the good blocks that Henry sends to me.
I hope you feel better soon,
Your friend Peggy

[Chickenlegs]

Der pegi
I gld dat bg skwrl nam willimini sho mi hou tu use dis. I hapi tu has a fwen. Uz yu goin ina twe. I nt go ina twe. Mama sa I spcil. Hr sa I tu meen fr dem twez. Hr nt kep mesin wif mi leg I nt bi meen. Hr alatim putin stf on mi leg an wapin it up an nou I gotza dumol neklis. Hr wapin mi tal tu. Hr sa I bit mi tal. It jus git in mi wai. Nou mi tal is al waped up tu. Yu gotz nic tal. Mabi one da I gitz nic tal lik yu pegi. Yu still gotz yu neklis pegi. I lik yu piktr.
Yu fwen
Skutr

[Chickenlegs]

Little s##t has bit his tail in two places. I have it taped up but don't put it past him to tear into the tape. He would cuddle with me all day long. I guess that would take care of any chewing issues but a girl's gotta eat sleep and poop! :eek

[SammysMom]

Oh no Skutr! Is your necklace thingie broken? How did you reach your tail?!!! I am telling you, if you leave the chewing alone you will be MUCH happier. If you want to have a pretty tail like mine, you have to stop biting yours. I don't want you to hurt yourself, Skutr...your mama is trying so hard to fix your booboos...:sad
Try a little harder to leave them alone so you can grow a pretty tail. Your leg will feel so much better if you can let it get better. It is really hard for me to not chew my leg, but I know if I do this cwazy wady will put that darned necklace back on me and I HATE that necklace! Feel better Skutr!
Your friend Peggy

[Chickenlegs]

Hi Peggy
Scooter can get to his tail even with the necklace. I think I need to make him a suit of armor. He has a very long tail but it doesn't work too good. If it would lift it would be out of his way. There are special bags for paralyzed dogs. I wonder if anybody has used one on a squirrel?

[SammysMom]

Yes, a drag bag!:thumbsup

[Chickenlegs]

Do you know anybody who has made them? I sorta threw one together but sure would love to have an expert weigh in before I concoct yet another torture device for my sweetie (said with a wry smile and :shakehead:shakehead)

[Chickenlegs]

First prototype drag bag. FAIL! Check out the pix. The yoke holds the bag in place in front, but there needs to be another piece holding the back of the bag up. There's an opening on the back to make it easier (still NOT easy) to get the bag on. This was some flannel from another project--soft, absorbent--not bad for the fabric part but there's design flaws. I thought it would be wonderful for him to be free of dressings, tape and wrap. I thought his wounds would heal really fast exposed to air. It's alllllllllmost right but NOT.
You can see in the pix of him on the floor, that it sags in the back. Needs another piece to hold the back up. Any squirrel worth his nuts will work his way out the way it is--and he's absolutely all squirrel!

[Shewhosweptforest]

:laugh2 Oh my gosh ...he looks like he's from the set of Frozen! :rofl4 ....a princess...nonetheless! :eek

Michael (Chelsea's beau) is waiting on another shipment...and then he should have some extra he can give you :great

[Shewhosweptforest]

Scooter on the mountain top! :grin3

[SammysMom]

Oh no Skutr! First you were wearing a necklace and now a dress?!!! Is there anything you need to tell us Skutr? :nono
You do look pretty in your princess dress, but I think it is silly for you to keep on chewing when your mama keeps doing these terrible things to try to stop you.
For heaven sake Skutr...STOP CHEWING!!!
Sincerely,
Your friend Peggy

[Chickenlegs]

Wrapped his owie this evening. Soaked it in wound cleaner. There's some gauze stuck on the wound but I think overall that place looks better--maybe smaller overall. Still, there's raw flesh. I soaked most of the gauze out from where it was stuck. Then slathered more gauze in Bacitracin and wrapped him up AGAIN! I need to go to the drugstore and lay in more supplies. I need to redress his tail tonight. I hope the Bacitracin will help that gauze slough free. Scooter is a sweetheart (for me). With all the wrapping and cleaning and manhandling he still loves his mama. I still kiss him right on his little mouf and he kisses back. He loves on me and wants to be with me. A person would never be so forgiving. He did look kinda cute in his dress didn't he. That alone is worthy of a chomp!

[Shewhosweptforest]

:laugh2 He's such a good sport! :Love_Icon

[CritterMom]

Can you build the top of his "jumper" so it is more like bib overall tops? The square bib in the front and back keeps the straps together so they don't fall off his "non-shoulders." Also, instead of using elastic around the body, make it smaller in diameter so it is closer to the body - slimmer-fitting - and close it with a little velcro.

[Chickenlegs]

Scooter's leg is healing but not nearly fast enough for me. I learned a bunch re this sort of abrasion and when to use Silvadine, Neosporin/polysporin and the like and when to use a wound gel. Dermagel got a thumbs up from the vet (who is generally skeptical about anything I use that she didn't recommend) and she sent me home with something called "Intracell hydrophilic wound dressing gel". It's thick and vicious and looks a lot like Neutracal. After all this time I'm finally getting the hang of dressing his leg without using up a whole roll of gauze and tender tape. I think it helps that he's getting more accepting of the whole ordeal--or just decided it's a lost battle. Vet said his tail has a narrow place that isn't a bite or anything else she can think of. Tail is normally thick and then there's a very skinny place. I haven't wrapped it in a couple of days but DO put YUK on it. There is one bite that seems to be healing and one place that looks like aggressive grooming. She said he could have feeling--pins and needles, shooting pains, phantom sensations or just reduced feeling in that tail. She said if he obsesses on his tail and hurts it, she can amputate it fairly close to his body so there's nothing to mess with but I sure hope he can keep his tail. That boy continues to be a loving sweet boy to his mama. He spends most of his time in the squirrel room running on the tops of the big cages. Cage tops are covered with fleece so he can't scrape anything. Peanut is in the same room in a big cage. I've been letting them both out for short periods of time. It would be wonderful if they got to be buddies. It sure would improve their quality of life. Guess we'll see about that. Until I see them doing things like curling up together or grooming, they don't get left alone together for a second. So that's it so far. Doc said it should be another two weeks before the wound is completely healed and it'll have to be protected from rubbing for quite awhile. I saw where the edges of the original owie were and it's definitely smaller. Vet said as it heals and the edges get closer to each other, it will close faster. Can't close fast enough for me. My boy got a bath tonight, emu oil rubbed into his fur where he drags, new leg dressing, some SS and YUK on his tail and lots of kisses and treats. I just can't slack off for a second. It would be too easy for him to re injure his owie. Don't want that little man to ever suffer an injury again. Takes him too long to heal--at least in part because he doesn't know anything is wrong.