2 little Pinkies 5-10 days old!!

[Manda]

Hello everyone! On March 29th I found 3 pinkies on the ground freezing. I took them inside while I got something to warm them but immediately when I got inside one of them passed away. I got them a warm water bottle and set them outside where I found them and waited for momma to come get them, unfortunately she never did after 48 hours.

The two I still have I believe are doing well, once they were warmed up (slowly of course) and then rehydrated with pedialyte. After that I have been feeding them the new esbilac and heavy cream at a ratio of 1 part esbilac, 1/4 part cream.

At first they wouldnt move much but now they flop all over the place, they are also peeing and pooping well.

One of my concerns is that they arent too enthusiastic about their formula... they will not try to suckle it at all. I am feeding them about 0.5CC every 2.5-3 hours.

I just weighed them today and they are both 17grams. I feel like that is too small no? They have a bit of fuzz on their head but it is mainly just on their nose.

They are a little battered from the fall out of the tree but the bruising look as if they are slowly disappearing.
I have attached three photos, the one with the syringe in the background is from 3 days ago and then the other ones are from yesterday.


I think they are too skinny but I know nothing of pinkies other than what I have read here, I sure am learning lots!!
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[island rehabber]

hi Manda! We're very glad you found us!
Your pinkies actually look OK....nowhere near as skinny or dehydrated as some that I've seen. Good job so far :). The amount they are taking in, for their weight, is right in line with the 5-7% of body weight guideline, so :thumbsup.

I love pinkies and usually have a bunch each year. Often they are NOT enthusiastic suckers at first; in fact, they need you to drip-drip the formula into their little mouths. Here are a few things to try:

*make sure the formula is VERY warm. Mamma squirrel's body is 100-102 degrees and so is her milk....pinkies don't relate to food that isn't almost hot

*make sure the pinky is warm while you're feeding. Keep a small piece of fleece or cloth on the heating pad along with their container and use it each time to wrap the baby while feeding.

*If you have long enough hair, hold the pinky wrapped in your hair for a few moments and humm. Yes, humm or purr like a cat. The feeling of your "fur" and the humming suggests to the little pink that mamma is near, and you'll be amazed how enthusiastic they get about eating all of a sudden.

You're doing great -- please keep us updated and ask ANY questions!
BTW, I see you're in the UK....is it possible that these little ones are red squirrels?

[Manda]

Thank you IR,
Thank you for everything in your post. I am actually not in the UK, my brother in law made my account for me as I was at work and he is from England and it totally slipped his mind.
I have super long hair so I will definitely try that!
I saw their momma (she had evidence of teets that have been nursed on) as she looked at them and ran away to never come back again and she was a black eastern squirrel.

So the babies are one of each sex, a boy and a girl. My girl has a cut on her genitals ever since I got her, she can still pee but I feel bad for her because it must hurt.

[stepnstone]

Thank you for saving these two, they do look good. So sorry about the other sibling. :(
Do you have the babies on heat? We recommend a no shut off heating pad half under container, half so they can move off if get too warm.
They also like to borrow for comfort, pieces of fleece laid over them, t-shirt, or sheet type material. No towels or anything with loops they can get their wee toes caught in.
How is their "output" are you stimulating after each feeding?

Edit: For baby's cut you can apply an antibiotic ointment like neosporin.

[Nancy in New York]

I am moving this thread up to the non emergency section.
It will get more attention, and if you need help, people will be more apt to see it.
We will move it later when things are stabilized, ok? :hug

[Manda]

Thank you for saving these two, they do look good. So sorry about the other sibling. :(
Do you have the babies on heat? We recommend a no shut off heating pad half under container, half so they can move off if get too warm.
They also like to borrow for comfort, pieces of fleece laid over them, t-shirt, or sheet type material. No towels or anything with loops they can get their wee toes caught in.
How is their "output" are you stimulating after each feeding?

Edit: For baby's cut you can apply an antibiotic ointment like neosporin.

Yes they have a heating bad under half their nest. I am also stimulating them after each feeding.
As for the neosporin, it is safe to put it right on the genitals?

[Manda]

I know you guys love photos so here are some from today!

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[stepnstone]

As for the neosporin, it is safe to put it right on the genitals?

Yes, I personally use it all the time. They are not going to be licking it at their age.

[Manda]

So about a half hour after their feeding at 12 the female all of a sudden started squawking and thrashing around. I put her in my hair to try and calm her down but it only worked for a good 5 minutes. She finally started to sleep a bit but every minute or two does the same thing for a good minute and then goes back to sleep. Her milk line is at the normal spot it is after a feeding so it is not food related and she is nice and warm so not that either. I stimulated her and she had a good poop and pee.
What is wrong with her? I am worried, she will not shut her mouth properly either but is not open mouth breathing, it is just slightly open

[SammysMom]

Is she warm enough? Do you think she is having a seizure? Have you contacted local rehabbers?

[Manda]

Is she warm enough? Do you think she is having a seizure? Have you contacted local rehabbers?

She is warm enough yes and I do not think it is seizures

[SammysMom]

Local rehabbers? They can crash so quickly at that young age...:grouphug

[Manda]

Local rehabbers? They can crash so quickly at that young age...:grouphug

Closest one is 5 hours away and probably asleep by now

[SammysMom]

I don't really mean tonight, I meant have you spoken to a local rehabber yet? You are doing a great job, but sometimes they really are VERY tricky!!!

[Manda]

I don't really mean tonight, I meant have you spoken to a local rehabber yet? You are doing a great job, but sometimes they really are VERY tricky!!!

I have contacted them but they are full apparently and then the other one is inexperienced with pinkies and doesnt have internet so no

[SammysMom]

Well then you have us to help! For now, be sure they are warm all of the time and hydrated. You know 5-7% for feeding amount. Remember warm for them is mama who has a body temp of about 102 so what feels warm to us sometimes needs to be just a bit warmer for them.

[island rehabber]

The screaming pinky thing does happen once in awhile and it will take years off your life. Usually they do it at 2-3:00am :eek Long as she is eating, peeing and pooping she should be ok....just missing her mamma.

[Manda]

The screaming pinky thing does happen once in awhile and it will take years off your life. Usually they do it at 2-3:00am :eek Long as she is eating, peeing and pooping she should be ok....just missing her mamma.

So my little girl is still sleeping with her mouth open and isnt very active. She never was the very active one as i think she has an injured elbow from the fall from the tree but it is hard to tell. Anyway, I am now over the top even more worried as she has started making clicking noises in her sleep... she has never aspirated for me though... :'(

[Manda]

So my little girl is still sleeping with her mouth open and isnt very active. She never was the very active one as i think she has an injured elbow from the fall from the tree but it is hard to tell. Anyway, I am now over the top even more worried as she has started making clicking noises in her sleep... she has never aspirated for me though... :'(
Here is a photo of her254942

[stepnstone]

Is she clicking when awake?
Is she clicking with each breath inhale and exhale?
Just because you didn't see her aspirate does not mean she couldn't have.
She does appear as though she struggles to breathe.
Do you have any anti biotics?

[Manda]

Is she clicking when awake?
Is she clicking with each breath inhale and exhale?
Just because you didn't see her aspirate does not mean she couldn't have.
She does appear as though she struggles to breathe.
Do you have any anti biotics?

She appears to have struggles breathing and is very lethargic. The clicking is not consistent.
Could she be doing this because of pain? She hardly ever moves her front left arm. When i try and stretch it there is resistance and I do not want to hurt it more to try and see how far stretched it can go.. i do not want to hurt her.
Only antbiotics I can get tomorrow would be clavamox

[Manda]

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Here is a photo of her arm that i think it fractured

[island rehabber]

That arm definitely doesn't look right. Are you able to VERY gently massage it and see what reaction you get from her -- will she relax it, or flinch, or...? I wonder if a tiny bit of ibuprophen might help her for pain...do we have a weight on this little one?

[Mommaluvy]

Is it possible she is not closing her mouth cause she is sucking her tongue? I had one last year that did that.. His need to suckle was so strong.

Poor kiddo..

Keep us posted. Glad that they have you to work with them.

[Manda]

That arm definitely doesn't look right. Are you able to VERY gently massage it and see what reaction you get from her -- will she relax it, or flinch, or...? I wonder if a tiny bit of ibuprophen might help her for pain...do we have a weight on this little one?

She will curl up into a ball if i gentle massage it. Both her and her brother have both lost weight considerably since yesterday morning. They were 0.6 ounces (17 g) yesterday and are now 0.5 ounces (14g). I am failing them.

[Manda]

That arm definitely doesn't look right. Are you able to VERY gently massage it and see what reaction you get from her -- will she relax it, or flinch, or...? I wonder if a tiny bit of ibuprophen might help her for pain...do we have a weight on this little one?
OH And her last feeding was 6am and her milk line STILL hasnt budged. I am scared to feed her more and there be undigested formula there. ugh ugh ugh

[Annabelle's papa]

OH And her last feeding was 6am and her milk line STILL hasnt budged. I am scared to feed her more and there be undigested formula there. ugh ugh ugh

:)Hi Manda, have you tried expressing them to poop and pee with a warm moist Qtip.:great Please hold on for some experienced advice.

[Manda]

Thank you,
Here is a video I just took. At the 2 minute mark you can really see how the girl is breathing.
https://youtu.be/zf5YykhbI4o

[Annabelle's papa]

Thank you,
Here is a video I just took. At the 2 minute mark you can really see how the girl is breathing.
https://youtu.be/zf5YykhbI4o

:)Very good video Manda, there are a lot of experienced Folk's on to review it for you, did you try expressing for pee and poop?

[Manda]

:)Very good video Manda, there are a lot of experienced Folk's on to review it for you, did you try expressing for pee and poop?
Thank you, I did after every meal and every half hour for hte girl just incase

[Annabelle's papa]

Thank you, I did after every meal and every half hour for hte girl just incase

:)That's good, does the milk line appear to be moving, and do you have 'Infant Ibuprofen" not Children's but the Infant strength liquid.:great

[HRT4SQRLS]

I believe your little girl is in critical condition. The undigested formula is a BIG problem. The breathing is another BIG problem. She has to have antibiotics today or she won't make it. I have no experience with pinkies so I'm not sure what is the right answer regarding the milk line. Definitely don't give more formula until that moves.

First, I would find antibiotics. That is critical. Second, I would take a damp warm gauze or Q-tip or anything and try to stimulate her to poop.

Hopefully someone experienced in pinkies will be on soon.

[Manda]

:)That's good, does the milk line appear to be moving, and do you have 'Infant Ibuprofen" not Children's but the Infant strength liquid.:great

Not moving. I have Metacam here, is that safe? If not i will go out and get some infant ibuprofen. What wouldbe her dose either way? She is 13g today

[Manda]

I believe your little girl is in critical condition. The undigested formula is a BIG problem. The breathing is another BIG problem. She has to have antibiotics today or she won't make it. I have no experience with pinkies so I'm not sure what is the right answer regarding the milk line. Definitely don't give more formula until that moves.

First, I would find antibiotics. That is critical. Second, I would take a damp warm gauze or Q-tip or anything and try to stimulate her to poop.

Hopefully someone experienced in pinkies will be on soon.

All the vet clinics are closed now to get antibiotics unless there isover the counter human stuff i can get? because it is saturday and the emergency hospitals do not take wildlife and will not dispense without an exam.

[Manda]

All the vet clinics are closed now to get antibiotics unless there isover the counter human stuff i can get? because it is saturday and the emergency hospitals do not take wildlife and will not dispense without an exam.
JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH MY FRIEND AND SHE HAS BAYTRIL. DOSE?

[Annabelle's papa]

All the vet clinics are closed now to get antibiotics unless there isover the counter human stuff i can get? because it is saturday and the emergency hospitals do not take wildlife and will not dispense without an exam.

Is there a chance you might have a single cipro or other type abx, you may know someone you can call, they are widely prescribed and almost everyone has an extra left over from a prescription. Is there a tropical fish store near you, they carry fishflox which can be used.

[Manda]

JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH MY FRIEND AND SHE HAS BAYTRIL. DOSE?

Damnit, they are the pills not hte liquid. Can that still work if i constitute it? They are the 15mg tablets

[HRT4SQRLS]

All the vet clinics are closed now to get antibiotics unless there isover the counter human stuff i can get? because it is saturday and the emergency hospitals do not take wildlife and will not dispense without an exam.

Yes, that's true. Do you have any left over antibiotics? Maybe a family member? All you need is one pill ... preferably Ciprofloxacin but others will work also.

I am very concerned about that milk line also. I think I would gently stroke her body with something warm to stimulate her .. sorta wake her up. The formula in her tummy needs to move desperately. Will she take a drop of water? Maybe sweeten it with a little apple juice.

[Annabelle's papa]

JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH MY FRIEND AND SHE HAS BAYTRIL. DOSE?

:)This may work, hopefully you can receive some dosing instructions while you go pick it up.

[HRT4SQRLS]

Damnit, they are the pills not hte liquid. Can that still work if i constitute it? They are the 15mg tablets

Yes, they will work. Are you certain they are 15mg?

[Manda]

Ok these are the different meds i have, please tell me which is better and what dose i should give.

Metacam (liquid) or infant ibuprofen?

The following antibiotics are all pill form:
Baytril 15mg
Clavaseptin 62.5mg
Zeniquin 25mg

[Manda]

Yes, they will work. Are you certain they are 15mg?

Yes they are super tiny too

[Manda]

Can i give her pedialyte in the meantime? I do not want her to get dehydrated

[HRT4SQRLS]

Definitely the Baytril.
We can work on dosing while you get it.

To be honest with you I am very concerned because your baby has TWO life threatening problems. Bloat kills ... so does pneumonia. So I'm not sure if putting Baytril in that bloated tummy will work in time. To be effective it has to be absorbed and I'm not sure that's happening in this baby girl.

I guess it's a long shot but worth a try.

[HRT4SQRLS]

Can i give her pedialyte in the meantime? I do not want her to get dehydrated

I probably would ... maybe sweetened water. When was the last time she had formula? So, the milk line is still very obvious?

[Manda]

I probably would ... maybe sweetened water. When was the last time she had formula? So, the milk line is still very obvious?

She last ate 8 hours ago, I do not think she has both those, it is definitely a fractured arm. So maybe mouth open is from pain not pneumonia? But deff bloated though!

What is the solution for sugar water? 1tbsp sugar to 2 cups water? and how much should i give?

[Manda]

She last ate 8 hours ago, I do not think she has both those, it is definitely a fractured arm. So maybe mouth open is from pain not pneumonia? But deff bloated though!

What is the solution for sugar water? 1tbsp sugar to 2 cups water? and how much should i give?
Oh and yes milk line is still very obvious

[HRT4SQRLS]

Oh and yes milk line is still very obvious
A teaspoon of sugar in a cup of warm water. 8 hours!!! :eek
Has that happened before?

For larger bloated babies, the recommendation is to float their body in a bowl of warm water to their arm pits. The warmth of the water will relax the muscles and hopefully help the digestive tract to start moving. Again, I'm have no pinkie experience so I don't know if this would apply to pinkies.

The reason I think pneumonia is because the baby is using so much effort to breath. You can see the baby open mouth breathing with great effort. Also, you did mention clicking, right?

[Manda]

A teaspoon of sugar in a cup of warm water. 8 hours!!! :eek
Has that happened before?

For larger bloated babies, the recommendation is to float their body in a bowl of warm water to their arm pits. The warmth of the water will relax the muscles and hopefully help the digestive tract to start moving. Again, I'm have no pinkie experience so I don't know if this would apply to pinkies.

The reason I think pneumonia is because the baby is using so much effort to breath. You can see the baby open mouth breathing with great effort. Also, you did mention clicking, right?

The clicking is sporadic, it is not consistent at all, i have no heard it for 4 hours.
How much of the sweetened should i give her?

[HRT4SQRLS]

The clicking is sporadic, it is not consistent at all, i have no heard it for 4 hours.
How much of the sweetened should i give her?

Just a drop or two. See if she will take it. When open mouth breathing they usually will not take anything by mouth.

Pinkie are so tiny, you don't always hear clicking.

[Nancy in New York]

The clicking is sporadic, it is not consistent at all, i have no heard it for 4 hours.
How much of the sweetened should i give her?

Sorry I posted this question in your other thread.
What formula are you feeding?

[Manda]

Sorry I posted this question in your other thread.
What formula are you feeding?
The esbilac powder with the pre and probiotics. They were also on heavy cream but i someone said it isnt too good for pinkies so i stopped a couple days ago. They are getting one part esbilac, two parts water and eating 0.5cc every 2.5-3 hours or less if their milk line went down before then (which it usually doesnt).

[Nancy in New York]

The esbilac powder with the pre and probiotics. They were also on heavy cream but i someone said it isnt too good for pinkies so i stopped a couple days ago. They are getting one part esbilac, two parts water and eating 0.5cc every 2.5-3 hours or less if their milk line went down before then (which it usually doesnt).

Do you let the Esbilac sit overnight.
Make up some now, and let it sit in the refrig for at least 6-7 hours.
We have to get the bloat down before feeding anything by mouth.
Did you give gas X? (Simethicone)
Did you do the soaks in WARM water? If so, please remember to dry them
off really well. They can not regulate their body temp and we do not want them
getting cold. I sometimes put my fleece I the dryer when I have to wet a baby,
then I change out the fleece so it's always toasty warm for about 15 minutes after
they are completely dry.

[Manda]

Do you let the Esbilac sit overnight.
Make up some now, and let it sit in the refrig for at least 6-7 hours.
We have to get the bloat down before feeding anything by mouth.
Did you give gas X? (Simethicone)
Did you do the soaks in WARM water? If so, please remember to dry them
off really well. They can not regulate their body temp and we do not want them
getting cold. I sometimes put my fleece I the dryer when I have to wet a baby,
then I change out the fleece so it's always toasty warm for about 15 minutes after
they are completely dry.

It would depend, i make a days worth up fresh every morning.
No gasx, should i? what kind, what dose?
Gave her a warm water soak for a good 5 minutes. I then dried her off very well.
I think she is getting worse.. breathing is more shallow and not responding much when picking her up. I know what this means, and it breaks my heart but I have her brother i need to take care of too. He is doing well, just had his 3pm meal and ate it like a charm nad pooped lots!

[HRT4SQRLS]

Manda, wrap her in warmed fleece and hold her. :Love_Icon

[Manda]

Manda, wrap her in warmed fleece and hold her. :Love_Icon

should i even try the baytril? id need the dose

[HRT4SQRLS]

According to the Bayer site, enrofloxacin (Baytril) comes in 22.7, 68, and 136mg tablets. I'm very confused about the 15mg tablet. Could you double check that? I would think that if a 15mg tablet is available the company would have it on their site. IDK, are there generic forms of Baytril? Don't know the answer to that.

It sounds like it is a long shot, BUT if you want to try, I would give the drop of baby gas drops and yes the Baytril also but we would need confirmation on the concentration.

[HRT4SQRLS]

OK, I found the 15mg. Apparently it is a Flavour tablet marketed in other countries. Most sites were not in English so I had problems. :tilt Is that what you have?

[Manda]

According to the Bayer site, enrofloxacin (Baytril) comes in 22.7, 68, and 136mg tablets. I'm very confused about the 15mg tablet. Could you double check that? I would think that if a 15mg tablet is available the company would have it on their site. IDK, are there generic forms of Baytril? Don't know the answer to that.

It sounds like it is a long shot, BUT if you want to try, I would give the drop of baby gas drops and yes the Baytril also but we would need confirmation on the concentration.

Would Ovol work? I know that is what we use for bunnies (rabbits and cats are my specialty, not squirrels obviously lol)

[Manda]

OK, I found the 15mg. Apparently it is a Flavour tablet marketed in other countries. Most sites were not in English so I had problems. :tilt Is that what you have?

It is at my friends place and I am heading there now so i will let you know as soon as i know!

[HRT4SQRLS]

Would Ovol work? I know that is what we use for bunnies (rabbits and cats are my specialty, not squirrels obviously lol)
I looked Ovol up. From what I found, it is an anti-gas medication (simethicone). If so, yes you can but isn't it a chewable tablet.

[HRT4SQRLS]

:grouphug

[Manda]

:grouphug

Well she is still alive but still laying flat and open mouth breathing. Her breathing is laboured and about every 5-7 seconds and almost gasping like. I gave her two drops of ovol (yes there is a liquid formula for babies) about an hour ago, looks like the milk line may have changed? Still no poop or pee coming out of her.

[SammysMom]

Can you take a picture of her tummy to show the bloat and the milk line right now?

[Manda]

Can you take a picture of her tummy to show the bloat and the milk line right now?

Lighting is bad i am sorry254982

[Manda]

Lighting is bad i am sorry254982

And her tummy isnt even hard like i would think bloat would be. it is squishy

[Nancy in New York]

Where are you located. Just the city and state please.

[Nancy in New York]

Are you in Mississauga, ONT?
If so, we have an excellent member who lives there and she will be able to help.
Please let us know asap.

[island rehabber]

Manda, was her head always dark like that, or is it the camera?

Tell me if I have the timeline straight: You brought them home, and both were doing well -- eating, pooping, peeing.
Then the little girl had the screaming incident -- twice, I think -- and her troubles started after that? Did the open mouth breathing begin after that?

I am just wondering if she did sustain head trauma when she fell (or from the tree cutter's blade) and if what you heard was not just a screamy pinky but a real seizure due to injury to her head. If she suffered a brain bleed and is now neurologically damaged, that would explain the gasping, lethargy, and general decline. I am sorry if this is a very sad scenario, but ........?

[Manda]

Manda, was her head always dark like that, or is it the camera?

Tell me if I have the timeline straight: You brought them home, and both were doing well -- eating, pooping, peeing.
Then the little girl had the screaming incident -- twice, I think -- and her troubles started after that? Did the open mouth breathing begin after that?

I am just wondering if she did sustain head trauma when she fell (or from the tree cutter's blade) and if what you heard was not just a screamy pinky but a real seizure due to injury to her head. If she suffered a brain bleed and is now neurologically damaged, that would explain the gasping, lethargy, and general decline. I am sorry if this is a very sad scenario, but ........?


Hey ok so the babies are now with 'Squirrelfriend' (Wendy) and she is going to take good care of them. The girl's bloat has gotten worse and yes we believe she probably has a head injury... hopefully she gets better. I know the have the best possible person caring for them right now in my area.

[SammysMom]

You made a difficult and selfless choice. Thank you for giving them that gift. SF is an amazing rehabber and human being. You lucjed out having that gem close enough to help. Stick around though...you are one of us now!:grouphug:Love_Icon:grouphug

[squirrelfriend]

I have the little ones now. I've been reading this thread trying to catch up. What antibiotics should I give her? She is 16 grams right now.

[SammysMom]

:bowdownWendy:bowdown is it pneumonia?

[squirrelfriend]

She's got a lot of bruising on her head and side. Mouth stays open all the time. Clicks with every breath. Still has a milk line. Bloat. Something it up with the arm or shoulder. The scratch on the genitals is not a big concern at this time. I'll keep an eye on it to make sure it doesn't get infected.

[squirrelfriend]

Sorry. The little girl passed. The boy is doing well. A strong squirmer and vocal!

[island rehabber]

Awwww....poor lttle.....I was afraid this was where we were headed. :( squirrelfriend if anyone was going to save her it was you...it was just not to be. Thank you so much for coming to the rescue. :grouphug Manda you did the absolute right thing. If this poor baby was as damaged and neuro as I'm thinking she was, there would not have been a quality of life for her even if she'd survived. Rest in the arms of the angels, sweet little girl. :sad

[squirrelfriend]

The little boy is doing real well. He's put on 2 grams already. Was 16g now 18g. Mo helps me babysit. She sleeps next to me at night. If I want to play on my iPad i put him with her to snuggle. My hands are free again and little boy is toasty. She likes his squirming because it feels like scritchins.

[Annabelle's papa]

The little boy is doing real well. He's put on 2 grams already. Was 16g now 18g. Mo helps me babysit. She sleeps next to me at night. If I want to play on my iPad i put him with her to snuggle. My hands are free again and little boy is toasty. She likes his squirming because it feels like scritchins.

:bunny Hi squirrelfriend, I'm very sorry about the Lil' Girl passing, and I think it was a Blessing for Manda to have you close enough to provide assistance. She had been worried about the Girl from the beginning, and now She will be able to watch this Lil' One as He grow's into an adult.:)

:great Hope your Sunday is going well for you, it must be nice having a live in Babysitter.:serene

[Nancy in New York]

Sorry. The little girl passed. The boy is doing well. A strong squirmer and vocal!

Oh sweetie, I'm sorry the little girl passed, she was with an angel for sure.
Glad the little boy is doing so well and a gain of 2 grams is fantastic!
Thank you again for ALWAYS being there! :hug:Love_Icon:hug

[squirrelfriend]

The new little man. One also of him with the babysitter/warmer aka Mo.

[Nancy in New York]

Are you kidding me............:klunk
Well that is just about the CUTEST picture EVER!
This reminds me of Mr. Tilty being so accepting.
A story I recommend to everyone that comes on the board.
This little one has to feel like he is right at home with Mama!
Thank you again, he couldn't be in better hands! :hug:Love_Icon:hug

Can you do a quick recap on Mo? Not sure I remember the
story. I know your busy,
not today if you don't have the time. :)

[Manda]

Glad to hear he is doing well! I am so happy I found you!
I cannot wait for him to grow his fur! I will have to come visit again then for sure! And of course see Mo again :)

[Nancy in New York]

Glad to hear he is doing well! I am so happy I found you!
I cannot wait for him to grow his fur! I will have to come visit again then for sure! And of course see Mo again :)

I'm so glad you found squirrelfriend as well.......now you know how she got her username! :)

[HRT4SQRLS]

I just love the second pic. :grin2
I'm so glad baby boy is doing well. Manda, I'm really sorry that the baby girl didn't make it. Poor little thing was so compromised. :sadness Thank you for helping these precious babies. :grouphug

:thankyou squirrelfriend

[squirrelfriend]

Nancy,

mo is from Montreal. She was named Mo by the finders. It was November and she was found with a bloody mustache. Movember = Mo. She was supposed to be released but she seems to be epileptic. She has seizures on and lmost daily basis. I think it is from her head injury. I was treating her for possible mbd for a year to no avail. If it was mbd seizures she would have been dead long ago. I've had her for about three years now. She was an adult wild. She's pretty tame now. She sleeps with us at bed time as does Squirrelie. I put the baby with her when she is already asleep. I don't think she even knows it's there. I don't leave them together unsupervised. Maybe when he's older. He's too fragile right now.

[squirrelfriend]

He's 20 grams today! Yay! Is there a guideline on how much they should weigh at each week? I don't know how much he is supposed to weigh. This is the smallest one that I've had so far.

[Nancy in New York]

He's 20 grams today! Yay! Is there a guideline on how much they should weigh at each week? I don't know how much he is supposed to weigh. This is the smallest one that I've had so far.

I don't know if there's a chart, I actually think I saw one once.
Everyone is so different, the chart can be worrisome if your little one isn't in the guidelines.
As long as they are NOT losing weight daily, that's the goal. When they get a little bit older it
will be typical for them to gain 4-7 grams daily, but you aren't even close to that age yet.
Slow and steady, and as long as he is getting 5-7% of his body weight you are doing perfect.

I'm SO glad he made his way to YOU! :Love_Icon
Awe, sweet Mo. Has she ever been awake with the baby in with her?

[squirrelfriend]

Yeah mo has been awake when he's lying beside her. She doesn't seem to notice. Mo is not an aggressive squirrel just like mr Tilty was.

As for the weight I figured as long as he wasn't losing weight he was doing ok. The youngest I've had before was three weekers. I swear when she first showed me this one I thought it was a rat pup until I saw the face. He is just soooo small!

[squirrelfriend]

Mo of the day.o also comes in handy for keeping the full sirynge warm. I just put it under her and she keeps it at the perfect temp.

[Nancy in New York]

Mo of the day.o also comes in handy for keeping the full sirynge warm. I just put it under her and she keeps it at the perfect temp.

OMG this is such a keeper! :Love_Icon
Mo has so many purposes, I hope she gets a special
treat for all this work, she doesn't even know she's doing.
Yes Wendy this SO reminds me of Mr. Tilty. :klunk


:Love_Icon Mo and Baby :Love_Icon

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[kcassidy]

That is so adorable.

[squirrelfriend]

Mo gets lots of extra pettin's while she does this. She's pretty spoiled already so I don't know what else to give her. She loves her scratchings too.

[Annabelle's papa]

:serene

[Shewhosweptforest]

Oh Squirrelfriend this is just the best situation :grouphug Lil boy is probably soooo comforted by Mo....it's bound to help with all his development....mommy fur, mommy smell :Love_Icon Wouldn't it be wonderful if all pinkies could have a mommy surrogate :grouphug Mo is my hero...thank you for saving this little one and thank you to Manda for finding help for her babies :bowdown :Love_Icon Sweet rest and a blessed journey to the sweet lil girl....she found safety, comfort and love :Love_Icon Thanks to Manda and you :bowdown

:Love_Icon Sweet Wild Baby Girl :Love_Icon :boohoo

[squirrelfriend]

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Mo And Wee Man

[Nancy in New York]

Look at Mo's little paw hugging Wee Man.:Love_Icon :klunk

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[squirrelfriend]

I've noticed some clicking. He's still very squirmy. He's not lethargic or showing any signs of illness though. Still eats. Do I have anything to worry about?

[Nancy in New York]

I've noticed some clicking. He's still very squirmy. He's not lethargic or showing any signs of illness though. Still eats. Do I have anything to worry about?

Has he aspirated that you know of?
Lots of times these little ones do make noises and it's difficult to tell the difference.
If this comes and goes and is NOT with every breath, I think he fine, unless he has
aspirated, then we should be concerned (perhaps).
You have Baytril, correct? And dosing instructions, just in case?

[Bravo]

Those are amazing pictures... I had no idea a non-related adult squirrel could be a bunkmate for a pinkie. Do you still think Mo is unaware of the wee one?

[squirrelfriend]

He has aspirated before. I think I do have baytril but no dosing instructions. He weighs 20 g.

I think ink she knows he's there but doesn't care one way or the other.

[Nancy in New York]

He has aspirated before. I think I do have baytril but no dosing instructions. He weighs 20 g.

I think ink she knows he's there but doesn't care one way or the other.

I need the mg of the Baytril to dose.

[squirrelfriend]

I found one 250mg tablet.

[Nancy in New York]

I found one 250mg tablet.

Stay put :) I am sending dosing instrucitons through a pm, just in case. :thumbsup

[squirrelfriend]

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Mo isually take the baby out and place him with mo on the bed. This time I just put mo in with him. There's a hot water bottle in the bottom of the container so it's nice and warm in there. As you can see mo doesn't care. She's warm and happy. She really likes the hot water bottle idea. And of course little wee guy likes his Mo so all is good.

[Nancy in New York]

What a perfect world you have!
These are SO precious, I want to hug
both these little blessings. :Love_Icon:Love_Icon

Is Wee Man a blinky?
Look at Wee Man's hand in Mo's! :klunk

[squirrelfriend]

I had to take a couple more. They're just getting way to cozy in there. Mo doesn't look like she's enjoying that hot water bottle. :grin2

[squirrelfriend]

I really gotta wash Mo's feet:tilt. I can't stop taking pics of these two. They're too cute!

[Nancy in New York]

Mo's feet are FINE.
More pictures is always better than clean feet! :)
Mo needs a babywarm incubator! :grin2

[squirrelfriend]

:Love_Icon

[Shewhosweptforest]

:klunk :facepalm Stop! I can't take it! :great Mo is one in a million :bowdown

[Annabelle's papa]

Mo's feet are FINE.
More pictures is always better than clean feet! :)
Mo needs a babywarm incubator! :grin2

:)Hi Ms. Nancy, I believe Mo 'is' a babywarm incubator.:hug

[squirrelfriend]

Yes. I have the old school babywarm incubator. But look I have upgraded to the old school baby warm 2.0! New and improved!

[Annabelle's papa]

:klunk:klunk:klunk 'I give, I give', those pics overload the Cuteness meter!:serene

[squirrelfriend]

Here's little Weean trying his hardest to squirm his way under Mo. Mo as usual takes no notice.

[squirrelfriend]

Wee man is 21g now. I think he is under weight. I feed him constantly. He only eats a little at a time so I have to make up for it with frequency. His breathing has been a little laboured. No gaping mouth at all. I'm just going by the way his ribs move as he breathes. He's very energetic. Constantly squirming. Even in his sleep. Here is a video that illustrates it. Hopefully it loads up. I've never posted a video before.

The he video wouldn't load. I'll try again later.

[squirrelfriend]

He's been eating a lot better last night and today. I was starting to get scared yesterday. He was getting too thin. He's eating much larger meals now. Whew!

[squirrelfriend]

Shy boy

[Annabelle's papa]

:)Bless His Heart he looks like he is playing peek a boo.:klunk

:)The previous photos you posted were cute and instructional, a Baby Squirrel, Puppy, Kitten, etc exercises much more when they are constantly 'working' their way into a warm spot with an adult as opposed to just snuggling into fleece, etc. You can tell by the rolling and pulling they must burn more calories also. :dono

[squirrelfriend]

I never thought of that. Very interesting. This little guy has no shortage of exercise. He's constantly squirming. CONSTANTLY!!!:grin2

[squirrelfriend]

Mo and the wee guy at this moment.

[HRT4SQRLS]

Without any doubt, this is the cutest 'couple' ever. It warms my heart. Who needs an incubator when you have Mo! :grin2

[Annabelle's papa]

Without any doubt, this is the cutest 'couple' ever. It warms my heart. Who needs an incubator when you have Mo! :grin2

:)Hi H4S, just as squirrelfriend has started to perfect the Babywarmer 2.0, SammysMom has the Babywarmer 3.0 in development with her Lil' Ones.:thumbsup http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?49857-Babies-2015-Let-the-fun-begin!&p=1093326#post1093326

[squirrelfriend]

This was taken yesterday. He's getting a little fuzzier.

[Annabelle's papa]

This was taken yesterday. He's getting a little fuzzier.


:klunk Oh Wow squirrelfriend, he certainly is becoming smooth and silky.:serene

[squirrelfriend]

Mo taking her payment for babysitting.

[Shewhosweptforest]

:hyper I want a Mo! :Love_Icon :Love_Icon She is amazing:klunk Oh and so is her lil friend :klunk

[squirrelfriend]

This is what they are up to at this moment.

[squirrelfriend]

The sore on mo's leg is from dragging it. She is semi paralyzed in her back end and drags that leg. It looks bad right now. It comes and goes. I have her on antibiotics.

[squirrelfriend]

mo is teaching him how to look cute.

[Nancy in New York]

I want a Mo too!
What a pair, I just love these two.
Such a cute, endearing story.
I wonder if Mo will miss Wee Man?
They look inseparable! :Love_Icon:Love_Icon
Mo, I hope your boo boo gets better real soon. :hug

[Annabelle's papa]

mo is teaching him how to look cute.

:klunk The Definition of 'Precious' :klunk

:)There needs to be more discussion/research on tangible ways to protect these Lil' Ones like Mo, and several other's from reoccurring sores related to their disabilities. There are so many materials to develop different prosthesis from, that when heated become malleable. :great

:)There is Super Glue (cyanoacrylte) which is formulated for medical use, and several brands made specifically for veterinarian use, Vet use-Surgi-lock, Nexabond, VetGlue and LiquiVet. Certainly a few well placed drops of one of these glues can be utilized to hold splints, and other bandages in place when necessary. :thumbsup

:)Wounds themselves need to be left open to heal in most cases, although wouldn't it be possible to adhere a wrist wrap in place around the mid section of a Squirrel to limit them from re injuring themselves. And in Lil' Mo's case, after her recent irritation heals, wouldn't it be great to cover the vulnerable area with a thin piece of breathable prosthetic 'plastic' using a few non irritating drops of glue. Something of this nature would prevent additional sores from forming, considering she (and so many others) have to drag one or both limbs.:Love_Icon

:)Sorry for the :threadjack squirrelfriend, I'm sure something can be devised to prevent further irritation to Lil' Mo's leg, and she is doing such a wonderful job helping you.:grouphug






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[Shewhosweptforest]

Awww poor Mo :hug I sure hope her wound heals soon too! She deserves all the good things in life :Love_Icon
I just love how she's hugging him in the first pics:grouphug

She has really taken to him....I think Nancy's right in wondering if she going to miss her buddy:Love_Icon Give Mo some extra lovins from me:great

[squirrelfriend]

Thanks Annabella's papa. That is very interesting. I didn't know there was a superglue for that. Do you only use it to adhere a bandage or to close a wound? Can you drip it onto a scab to toughen it?

i have used casts on her leg many times. They don't last very long. She's good at getting out of them. Her leg usually doesn't look that bad. This is as bad as it ever gets. It all depends on how active she is. If she's really hyper for a day or two then it gets like this.

[Annabelle's papa]

Thanks Annabella's papa. That is very interesting. I didn't know there was a superglue for that. Do you only use it to adhere a bandage or to close a wound? Can you drip it onto a scab to toughen it?

i have used casts on her leg many times. They don't last very long. She's good at getting out of them. Her leg usually doesn't look that bad. This is as bad as it ever gets. It all depends on how active she is. If she's really hyper for a day or two then it gets like this.

:)Hi squirrelfriend, I'm only learning about medical grade super glue myself, apparently regular super glue can heat up on the skin causing irritation. However, Vetbond and Dermabond (For human use) have a different composition and are more pliable, yet neither of these are the same as Liquid Bandages which I don't think would have the same adhesive value.

:)An idea that may be worth a try, (through trial and error) would be placing a breathable (perforated) piece of medical grade plastic similar to the 14.00 plastic eye guard below, over Mo's sore leg after it heals. Instead of tape or self adhesive gauze, perhaps securing it directly to her fur with 3 or 4 drops of Vetbond, the adhesive itself sloughs away on it's own in a few days.

:)A few drops of the adhesive could also be used to keep a wrist band in place, when it is used around the torso of a Squirrel to limit movement, in the prevention of self mutilation or suckling.

:)There are so many other Squirrels with paralysis in both legs, that I'm not sure what could be done for as of yet. However if Lil' Mo had something that would act as a 'skid plate' on her leg, it could help prevent future abrasions.



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[squirrelfriend]

Thanks AP.

since yesterday I have been having a lot of trouble getting him to eat. I'm getting really worried. He won't take anything voluntarily. I have to drip a drop or two in his mouth at a time and pet his neck to make him swallow it.

[squirrelfriend]

I think I might be losing the little guy. He's not eating and is getting weaker and weaker. He's clicking. No gasping though. What do I do. I have him on antibiotics.

[squirrelfriend]

I'm sorry to say that wee man passed.