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nchls_school
01-14-2015, 03:05 PM
A student came to see me about squirrels, yesterday, knowing I had a red squirrel that another student (same class) had brought to me earlier in the school year. Their home has been invaded by squirrels and the family's plan was to shoot the squirrels to keep the house from more damage; there's already holes in the walls of a closet and a big concern is damage to the wiring. I don't like seeing anything killed if there is a way to avoid it. I sent home a live trap that I keep handy and told the boy to bring the squirrel (a red squirrel/squirrels) to me if he caught them. The plan, of course, is to release them somewhere else away from people's homes. Now I wonder about releasing squirrels in the middle of January when it's cold and the squirrels don't have a territory or ready food supply. Would it be better to keep the squirrel/squirrels caged until spring? Caring for it/them is not a problem, but what is the best thing for the squirrels?

Duckman
01-14-2015, 03:15 PM
This is a tough one. You can stress wilds out, especially if there are more than one. In my opinion, I would release them in one area and provide nesting boxes (maybe put them in a release cage for a week, with the nesting boxes inside, and then when ready to release, shut of the box and hang in a tree and open the box back up) and maybe provide food for the winter, to help them learn the area and where food is located. Obviously, not everyone has access to this type of property or resources, but in a perfect world, this is how I would handle it.

Annabelle's papa
01-14-2015, 03:30 PM
:wave123 Hey Dan, How's Peanut Doing, Can You Post A Few Pic's?:great

nchls_school
01-14-2015, 03:53 PM
:wave123 Hey Dan, How's Peanut Doing, Can You Post A Few Pic's?:great

Peanut is doing well; getting stronger slowly. I sure miss watching him play. Most of the day he sleeps, but he's definitely getting better. I'll post pictures as soon as Kimmi takes some new ones.

Annabelle's papa
01-14-2015, 04:06 PM
A student came to see me about squirrels, yesterday, knowing I had a red squirrel that another student (same class) had brought to me earlier in the school year. Their home has been invaded by squirrels and the family's plan was to shoot the squirrels to keep the house from more damage; there's already holes in the walls of a closet and a big concern is damage to the wiring. I don't like seeing anything killed if there is a way to avoid it. I sent home a live trap that I keep handy and told the boy to bring the squirrel (a red squirrel/squirrels) to me if he caught them. The plan, of course, is to release them somewhere else away from people's homes. Now I wonder about releasing squirrels in the middle of January when it's cold and the squirrels don't have a territory or ready food supply. Would it be better to keep the squirrel/squirrels caged until spring? Caring for it/them is not a problem, but what is the best thing for the squirrels?

That's great to hear. In most case's it's "Other Squirrel's", that can and will send you their Friend's and Relative's to be taken care of, However in your case you have an entire Student Body that has you pegged as the "Go To" man for Squirrel's.:grin2 Sound's like a possible new Elective course on the horizon. :dono

nchls_school
01-14-2015, 04:13 PM
This is a tough one. You can stress wilds out, especially if there are more than one. In my opinion, I would release them in one area and provide nesting boxes (maybe put them in a release cage for a week, with the nesting boxes inside, and then when ready to release, shut of the box and hang in a tree and open the box back up) and maybe provide food for the winter, to help them learn the area and where food is located. Obviously, not everyone has access to this type of property or resources, but in a perfect world, this is how I would handle it.

One of the problems I have is that we live in town. Should I release out of town there's no way I can help them survive. And if I release in town there are many hazards and I doubt they would stay in the backyard. But still being wild and in a cage is far from ideal. I guess the first thing I need to do, if they're caught, is to determine just how "wild" are they and go from there. I'd call the local DNR office, but I've gone that route before. Red squirrels are not going to be of concern.

nchls_school
01-14-2015, 04:30 PM
That's great to hear. In most case's it's "Other Squirrel's", that can and will send you their Friend's and Relative's to be taken care of, However in your case you have an entire Student Body that has you pegged as the "Go To" man for Squirrel's.:grin2 Sound's like a possible new Elective course on the horizon. :dono

"'Go To' man for squirrels" Funny; I'm already called THE BIRD MAN by half the county and just plain "weird" by the other half. We are one of the poorest counties in Wisconsin and many people here just don't have time to value anything that doesn't put food on the table or money in the pockets. "Red squirrels-just rats with bushy tails. Shoot them." This thought was voiced by another student.

Annabelle's papa
01-14-2015, 07:00 PM
"'Go To' man for squirrels" Funny; I'm already called THE BIRD MAN by half the county and just plain "weird" by the other half. We are one of the poorest counties in Wisconsin and many people here just don't have time to value anything that doesn't put food on the table or money in the pockets. "Red squirrels-just rats with bushy tails. Shoot them." This thought was voiced by another student.
Amen Dan, I have worked in the past with Two different Pastor's that used that "Exact" same description of Squirrel's, even during service's in the Sanctuary! :nono That kind of Language really show's You where Someone's Heart is. Several Sunday School Teacher's I've worked with, have taught Children and Adult's, that NO Animal Soul's will be in Eternity (Heaven) :boohoo It's certainly easy to see why so many People live such Empty and Negative live's, when they can't find Solace or Simple Truth's in their Own Church. :facepalm I can only Imagine how Hard it must be for You as an Educator, who is trying to do the Most You can for Your Students, in a District with a Limited Tax base. Bless Your And Your Family's Heart. There's no Doubt most of the Counties in all Fifty States are Experiencing the same Dilemma. :tap

farrelli
01-14-2015, 09:16 PM
I'd try to see how they react and keep them if at all possible. Winter is hard, especially in Wisconsin. Are you north or south? Chicago is cold enough (I used to live there), but it seemed that it got infinitely colder every few miles you went north.

Btw, I would tell those people that it would be best if they wait for spring, not only for the sqs but so that they can make the proper repairs. If they don't make them, sqs will be back in no time. A warm attic will be prime real estate and probably be filled as soon as its vacated.

Annabelle's papa
01-14-2015, 10:15 PM
I'd try to see how they react and keep them if at all possible. Winter is hard, especially in Wisconsin. Are you north or south? Chicago is cold enough (I used to live there), but it seemed that it got infinitely colder every few miles you went north.

Btw, I would tell those people that it would be best if they wait for spring, not only for the sqs but so that they can make the proper repairs. If they don't make them, sqs will be back in no time. A warm attic will be prime real estate and probably be filled as soon as its vacated.

:goodpost Hey farrelli, Is that Bug(s) letting up on You any. Even after getting an early Flu.Vac., that "Boomerang" low grade fever malady has been in full swing down here. It's almost like the Immune system doesn't know what to Brace for next.:skwredup

nchls_school
01-15-2015, 09:19 AM
I'd try to see how they react and keep them if at all possible. Winter is hard, especially in Wisconsin. Are you north or south? Chicago is cold enough (I used to live there), but it seemed that it got infinitely colder every few miles you went north.

Btw, I would tell those people that it would be best if they wait for spring, not only for the sqs but so that they can make the proper repairs. If they don't make them, sqs will be back in no time. A warm attic will be prime real estate and probably be filled as soon as its vacated.

I have the room and the cage that should do; 4' tall x 6' long x 18" wide. It's a finch flight-clean with closely spaced bars. Ladysmith, Wisconsin-6 hours north of Chicago. We have much colder weather than there. My mother in-law lives in a suburb of Chicago; Kimmi and her mother are constantly comparing the weather. I know that waiting isn't going to happen. The red squirrel was in their living area. From what the boy told me his mother totally freaked out. After a chase around the house the squirrel found a hole and disappeared back into the walls; an old house that they rent.

What would be the most enticing bait to put onto the live trap? It's doubtful that the mother is going to wait long for the squirrel to be live trapped before they bring out the poison or shoot the animal..

CritterMom
01-15-2015, 09:25 AM
I would put a blob of peanut butter on the bait table of the trap and "glue" some shelled sunflower seeds into it - my reds just can't control themselves with sunflower seeds.

nchls_school
01-15-2015, 09:38 AM
I would put a blob of peanut butter on the bait table of the trap and "glue" some shelled sunflower seeds into it - my reds just can't control themselves with sunflower seeds.

Will do-Thank You.

nchls_school
01-15-2015, 07:59 PM
I would put a blob of peanut butter on the bait table of the trap and "glue" some shelled sunflower seeds into it - my reds just can't control themselves with sunflower seeds.

Peanut butter worked fast. My student called a while ago to say he had trapped a squirrel so I went and picked it up. One female red squirrel. She looks a bit weather worn, but she's active and her eyes are bright. I see nothing to indicate sickness. She doesn't seem very wild either; she was climbing on the cage wall right next to me before she disappeared into a nest box. I'm surprised how much bigger she is than Peanut even allowing for her thick winter coat. She's almost twice the size of Peanut. Peanut is going on eight months old-will he get larger or is he just a very small squirrel?

Any suggestions on caring for a wild squirrel would be appreciated. We have the necessary foods. What do you recommend to keep the teeth worn down? I'll be taking the live trap to the boy just in case there's another squirrel. What I've read about says that red squirrels are solitary, living alone. Is this true or should I be prepared for another?

nchls_school
01-16-2015, 07:46 AM
Peanut butter worked fast. My student called a while ago to say he had trapped a squirrel so I went and picked it up. One female red squirrel. She looks a bit weather worn, but she's active and her eyes are bright. I see nothing to indicate sickness. She doesn't seem very wild either; she was climbing on the cage wall right next to me before she disappeared into a nest box. I'm surprised how much bigger she is than Peanut even allowing for her thick winter coat. She's almost twice the size of Peanut. Peanut is going on eight months old-will he get larger or is he just a very small squirrel?

Any suggestions on caring for a wild squirrel would be appreciated. We have the necessary foods. What do you recommend to keep the teeth worn down? I'll be taking the live trap to the boy just in case there's another squirrel. What I've read about says that red squirrels are solitary, living alone. Is this true or should I be prepared for another?

Should my student catch another red squirrel can they be in the same cage or should they be housed separately?

island rehabber
01-16-2015, 08:05 AM
If they were part of a family group living together in the same space they can be together and in fact should be together in their new location. BUT I would start by putting their cages next to each other and observe their body language and activity. You'll know if they hate each other, and then you can keep them separate.

nchls_school
01-16-2015, 08:19 AM
If they were part of a family group living together in the same space they can be together and in fact should be together in their new location. BUT I would start by putting their cages next to each other and observe their body language and activity. You'll know if they hate each other, and then you can keep them separate.

The house they are being live trapped from is very small; 3-4 rooms-more of a cabin so it is more than likely it is a family group of squirrels. I will do as you suggest. Thank you.

nchls_school
01-17-2015, 01:57 PM
:wave123 Hey Dan, How's Peanut Doing, Can You Post A Few Pic's?:great

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Do squirrels reject babies that are runts and have deformities? Looking at the wild female that I have, I realize just how small and delicate Peanut is compared
normal sized red squirrels.

CritterMom
01-17-2015, 03:25 PM
Yes, mamas will reject babies with problems. Also, I believe that Peanut was passed around a bit before you got him, wasn't he? Early diet, starting with the formula used to raise him, is vitally important to growth. They go from pinky to adulthood very fast - their window for growth is very short - if it isn't done right they will never catch up, regardless of how well they are fed later in life.

Annabelle's papa
01-17-2015, 03:49 PM
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Do squirrels reject babies that are runts and have deformities? Looking at the wild female that I have, I realize just how small and delicate Peanut is compared
normal sized red squirrels.
Thank's Dan, Our Annabelle is a Flyer, Talking About 63 grams Of Delicate, ha. They Make Up For Their Size With Venom 100 Time's Deadlier Than A Diamond Back Rattle Snake,,,Noooooooooooooooooooooooo Just Kidding. :grin2 But It Make's Me Angry That God Didn't Give Them Much Of Anything In The Way Of Self Defense, 2-4 Years In The Wild Opposed to 13-18 Years In Captivity. He Made Such A Magnificent Animal, Only To Be Used As A Food Source. :tap

nchls_school
01-17-2015, 06:10 PM
Yes, mamas will reject babies with problems. Also, I believe that Peanut was passed around a bit before you got him, wasn't he? Early diet, starting with the formula used to raise him, is vitally important to growth. They go from pinky to adulthood very fast - their window for growth is very short - if it isn't done right they will never catch up, regardless of how well they are fed later in life.

Yes. We are the third home he's had since he was found. Of course, I have no idea how the first two families cared for him, but I do know that all he was given for food was peanuts. By time Molly (my student) got Peanut peanuts were all he would eat. Kimmi got him to eat a lot of different things, but... He has had a bad start for sure.

nchls_school
01-17-2015, 07:15 PM
A couple of questions.

All the force feeding we have had to do has made Peanut one angry squirrel. Kimmi is worried that Peanut will not regain his friendly, cuddly personality. He doesn't try to bite (he couldn't even if he tried and he has tried to bite me) but we're met with angry chattering whenever we go near. Any suggestions? I've been telling Kimmi to hold him more so that he learns that she isn't always going to force him to do something. We have been using peanut and almond butter to get calcium and vitamins into him rather than forcing; so far it's working.

I like to be prepared; should I have to handle the wild female, what is the best way? I don't plan on touching her unless I have to.

SammysMom
01-17-2015, 07:20 PM
Thank goodness he has you on his side! :Love_Icon

SammysMom
01-17-2015, 07:22 PM
Work gloved and fleece for the wild one if you really have to. As far as Peanut, showing him that it isn't always about forcing him to do something is the best way to go. Not easy...many prayers for all of you.:Love_Icon

nchls_school
01-18-2015, 01:23 PM
Work gloved and fleece for the wild one if you really have to. As far as Peanut, showing him that it isn't always about forcing him to do something is the best way to go. Not easy...many prayers for all of you.:Love_Icon

Thick gloves; like our parrots. Any preferable way to hold them? With the parrots I use a thick towel; easier to hold and it has a calming effect. With the rabbits it's a hand under the backside and a hand around the front legs.

Peanut's worse. Just when we think he's getting better it another step backwards. He's eating well but loosing weight. Any ideas? He's getting the calcium as he should-vitamins are added to his food. He is more active. His eyes were not fully open when we fed him his almojd butter and calcium. Fur looks rough. Droppings are solid but light in color; from eating a lot of peanut, almond paste? Very discouraging.

CritterMom
01-18-2015, 02:18 PM
Can you detail everything for us?

What does he eat per day - start in the morning. What is voluntary and what are you forcing him to eat?

How much calcium per day? Are you using the powder or Tums? How are you getting it into him?

You keep saying "almond paste." Do you mean almond butter? Looks like peanut butter but with almonds? Almond paste is a real thing but it is extremely sweet - a confection used to make marzipan.

How is he drinking?

Please be as detailed as possible. You can't imagine how hard it is to try to do this without ever being able to see much more than snapshots - we need you to paint a picture with your words.

Eyes half open is not good of course. I just don't know if this is a health thing or if it is just that he is so angry and depressed from his treatment. God, the people who started feeding this little one nothing but peanuts didn't do anyone any favors.

nchls_school
01-18-2015, 02:58 PM
Can you detail everything for us?

What does he eat per day - start in the morning. What is voluntary and what are you forcing him to eat?

How much calcium per day? Are you using the powder or Tums? How are you getting it into him?

You keep saying "almond paste." Do you mean almond butter? Looks like peanut butter but with almonds? Almond paste is a real thing but it is extremely sweet - a confection used to make marzipan.

How is he drinking?

Please be as detailed as possible. You can't imagine how hard it is to try to do this without ever being able to see much more than snapshots - we need you to paint a picture with your words.

Eyes half open is not good of course. I just don't know if this is a health thing or if it is just that he is so angry and depressed from his treatment. God, the people who started feeding this little one nothing but peanuts didn't do anyone any favors.

We've stopped force feeding. Kimmi hand feeds (he sits in her lap and eats) him the vitamins and calcium mixed with almond BUTTER (not paste). What's left is put in his cage and by night it's gone. The calcium is the powdered form-250-300g (this should be less by now? I just talked with Kimmi on this. Could this be the problem-too much calcium?). Vitamins are added as recommended.

Along with the almond butter (Kimmi was using peanut butter) mix he is eating cabbage, carrots, orange pieces (this is new-is orange bad?), a little pecan. We keep trying different combinations with the block; not much luck so far.

He eats often and drinks often.

His fur is looks rough today; his underside is stained with urine. His eyes looked half lidded (new today).

Peanut eat, sleeps, and drinks-no playing at all.

CritterMom
01-18-2015, 04:07 PM
He can have a little orange.

The thing that jumps out at me immediately is that he is getting NO protein, and rodents need about 14% of their diet to be protein. The Henry's blocks are made with whey protein isolate as the dry ingredient just for this reason.

Will he still take Ensure? Maybe try a different flavor? He needs to get some protein into him.

You said he is getting vitamins - the Henry's vitamins? May I ask how much per day?

SammysMom
01-18-2015, 04:12 PM
What and how much are you giving for "vitamins"? If only you could get him to eat some block they have the vitamins in them. The rough fur screams dehydration to me. Are you using just water to hydrate or pedialyte?

nchls_school
01-18-2015, 05:44 PM
What and how much are you giving for "vitamins"? If only you could get him to eat some block they have the vitamins in them. The rough fur screams dehydration to me. Are you using just water to hydrate or pedialyte?

1/4 tsp vitamins and 1/8 tsp. of Henry's protein powder (as the directions read) mixed with the foods we know he'll eat so I'm sure it is being consumed. I've monitored his water intake closely and he drinks each time he comes out of his box to eat (we haven't tried pedialyte). I've tried to mix the block with other things. The boo balls too. We've taken his other foods away in an effort to make him eat the boo balls. All that did was cause weight loss and a refusal to eat. Peanut's weight at Christmas was 112g (just tried to weigh him) and we couldn't get an accurate reading. He fights and resists. From what the readings were, back and forth, Peanut is over 100g and that's the best we could get. Doesn't help much.

Nancy in New York
01-18-2015, 05:46 PM
Can you post some photos of him from today?
Sometimes they can tell us so much just by looking at him.

SammysMom
01-18-2015, 05:47 PM
You don't want to use pedialyte. I was asking because sometimes people use it and it has too much sodium in it and can cause dehydration if overused. How old is he?

nchls_school
01-18-2015, 06:51 PM
You don't want to use pedialyte. I was asking because sometimes people use it and it has too much sodium in it and can cause dehydration if overused. How old is he?

About 8 months. It's not possible to be exact as Peanut has been passed on and on and on from person to person until he came here. He's a last spring baby.

Not a good picture, but you can see he's not happy.

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SammysMom
01-18-2015, 06:57 PM
Oh my...he is so cute and so ANNOYED! I wonder, when my Sammy (the fussiest squirrel on the planet :shakehead) wouldn't eat something, I don't remember what, I used a bit of Nutella to conceal it. I suspect it was calcium, because he knew no matter what I tried, that it was there. It may be tasteless to us, but he KNEW every time. I think that the Nutella was just too tempting to ignore. I used it in boo balls and then decreased it and increased the good stuff until he was eating blocks. Just a thought.:Love_Icon

Nancy in New York
01-18-2015, 07:05 PM
About 8 months. It's not possible to be exact as Peanut has been passed on and on and on from person to person until he came here. He's a last spring baby.

Not a good picture, but you can see he's not happy.

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OMG what a little handful of cuteness. :Love_Icon

nchls_school
01-18-2015, 07:55 PM
He can have a little orange.

The thing that jumps out at me immediately is that he is getting NO protein, and rodents need about 14% of their diet to be protein. The Henry's blocks are made with whey protein isolate as the dry ingredient just for this reason.

Will he still take Ensure? Maybe try a different flavor? He needs to get some protein into him.

You said he is getting vitamins - the Henry's vitamins? May I ask how much per day?

He does get powdered protein mixed in his food. We've tried strawberry and vanilla ensure; it worked for a little while and then the fighting started again. More ensure went in his fur and around the room than in his mouth and down the throat. Presently Kimmi is mixing everything with peanut or almond butter and so far so good. I think Kimmi said 1/4 tsp of vitamins and an 1/8 tsp. of the protein.

We just took new pictures after looking Peanut over very carefully. Another difference today is that there are small bald spots on his head. The paws have had bald spots-we read that happens with MBD. I'll post the pictures as soon as I can.

nchls_school
01-18-2015, 08:04 PM
This photo, like so many, is blurred. It shows the odd way Peanut sits. He looks rougher than he is; we washed him with plain warm water and he's not quite dry. He was so covered in dry ensure and urine that a bath had to be done-no soap, just water and carefully dried.

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CritterMom
01-18-2015, 08:16 PM
The bald spots are likely from the ensure sitting on the fur.

CritterMom
01-18-2015, 08:19 PM
Where did you get the amounts for the protein isolate - that IS what you are using, right? I don't thinl 1/8 tsp is nearly enough.

Nancy in New York
01-18-2015, 08:20 PM
He just looks so precious. :Love_Icon
Make sure he's warm enough.
With MBD they like the warmth since their bones ache.

CritterMom
01-18-2015, 08:30 PM
I hate to keep harping on this, but if this is what you have: http://www.henryspets.com/pure-protein-isolate/

That entire bag is only 4.5 services. Even for a little red squirrel it wouldn't be more than twice that - 9 servings.

Can you check to see exactly what products you have? I know you have the calcium - what is the other? Is it Henry's Vitamins or Whey Protein Isolate?

nchls_school
01-18-2015, 09:03 PM
I hate to keep harping on this, but if this is what you have: http://www.henryspets.com/pure-protein-isolate/

That entire bag is only 4.5 services. Even for a little red squirrel it wouldn't be more than twice that - 9 servings.

Can you check to see exactly what products you have? I know you have the calcium - what is the other? Is it Henry's Vitamins or Whey Protein Isolate?

Henry's vita-mins and Henry's Healthy Protein.250081250082

CritterMom
01-18-2015, 09:14 PM
He isn't getting enough protein. You simply must come up with a way to get this into him. Either come up with some combo of stuff to mix with the blocks - heck, try Sammysmom's suggestion of nutella, or with Ensure, or you need to mix a LOT more of the powder with the almond butter or something. Please read the label.

Grind one of the Henrys blocks, mix with an equal amount of the protein powder, and add enough almond butter and/or nutella so you can roll it into little balls.

Also, if you are dosing him with both the Henry's VITAMINS and the calcium, you are doubling up calcium. If you read the label of the VITAMINS, you will see they also have calcium in them.

Nancy in New York
01-18-2015, 09:17 PM
Henry's vita-mins and Henry's Healthy Protein.250081250082

He looks like he isn't feeling well at all.
Poor little peanut. :Love_Icon

CritterMom
01-19-2015, 05:13 AM
OK, I have been advised that the "serving size" on the protein powder isn't for a single serving - it is for an entire recipe of the blocks. He likely isn't getting quite enough protein per day but it isn't as bad as I thought.

I thought about Peanut all night. I *may* have come up with something he might like to eat.

Do you have a Petco or similar pet store nearby? They sell Esbilac Puppy replacement formula. You want the stuff in the big can - it is a powder. It isn't cheap - probably $25. It is what we feed the baby squirrels - you mix it with water to feed as a liquid.

I would mix the dry powder right into the little almond butter balls you are making. It is designed to be a total diet for baby squirrels so it has all sorts of nutrients, and they usually like the taste.

nchls_school
01-19-2015, 08:55 AM
He isn't getting enough protein. You simply must come up with a way to get this into him. Either come up with some combo of stuff to mix with the blocks - heck, try Sammysmom's suggestion of nutella, or with Ensure, or you need to mix a LOT more of the powder with the almond butter or something. Please read the label.

Grind one of the Henrys blocks, mix with an equal amount of the protein powder, and add enough almond butter and/or nutella so you can roll it into little balls.

Also, if you are dosing him with both the Henry's VITAMINS and the calcium, you are doubling up calcium. If you read the label of the VITAMINS, you will see they also have calcium in them.

I mixed the 1/8 tsp. of protein powder with just a bit of peanut butter; it was gone before I came to work. The ensure that he liked to begin with is now something that he will not eat/drink. I talked with Kimmi about the doubling up of calcium and she said she has been taking into account that there is calcium in the vitamins so Peanut has not been getting a double amount. It is unbelievable how hard such a little squirrel can resist when he doesn't want something. He's pretty hard to hold onto when he is upset; he sure can squirm.

nchls_school
01-19-2015, 09:21 AM
OK, I have been advised that the "serving size" on the protein powder isn't for a single serving - it is for an entire recipe of the blocks. He likely isn't getting quite enough protein per day but it isn't as bad as I thought.

I thought about Peanut all night. I *may* have come up with something he might like to eat.

Do you have a Petco or similar pet store nearby? They sell Esbilac Puppy replacement formula. You want the stuff in the big can - it is a powder. It isn't cheap - probably $25. It is what we feed the baby squirrels - you mix it with water to feed as a liquid.

I would mix the dry powder right into the little almond butter balls you are making. It is designed to be a total diet for baby squirrels so it has all sorts of nutrients, and they usually like the taste.

No Petco or any other pet type store near. Peanut ate the peanut butter with protein readily enough, but from what I have just read, I over did it. I put an 1/8 tsp. of Henry's protein powder in a small dad of peanut butter this morning; a serving size he would eat completely. He did so in an hour and a half. Too much protein at one time? I will remember the formula idea and if needed we'll make the drive and get some.

nchls_school
01-19-2015, 09:35 AM
This picture shows the bare spots on Peanuts head. There are similar spot on his paws and legs.

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CritterMom
01-19-2015, 09:41 AM
No Petco or any other pet type store near. Peanut ate the peanut butter with protein readily enough, but from what I have just read, I over did it. I put an 1/8 tsp. of Henry's protein powder in a small dad of peanut butter this morning; a serving size he would eat completely. He did so in an hour and a half. Too much protein at one time? I will remember the formula idea and if needed we'll make the drive and get some.

No, no - that is fine - I was mis-interpreting the label (that is a nice way of saying I screwed up).

nchls_school
01-19-2015, 09:49 AM
No, no - that is fine - I was mis-interpreting the label (that is a nice way of saying I screwed up).

I have a short video of Peanut from last night and have saved it to my computer but I can't make sense of how to post it. Maybe you can explain? I'm sure the video would show what you need to see and how he acts. Not a computer person. What is URL?

Nancy in New York
01-19-2015, 03:39 PM
I have a short video of Peanut from last night and have saved it to my computer but I can't make sense of how to post it. Maybe you can explain? I'm sure the video would show what you need to see and how he acts. Not a computer person. What is URL?

Can you email this video?
I am not a computer person either, but when I have video's I put
them into a photo site, photobucket or smug mug and then get the link and
post that. Some others use You Tube.
You can email me at ***

nchls_school
01-19-2015, 03:52 PM
Can you email this video?
I am not a computer person either, but when I have video's I put
them into a photo site, photobucket or smug mug and then get the link and
post that. Some others use You Tube.
You can email me at ***

I will try right now.

nchls_school
01-19-2015, 04:49 PM
Looks a little better.

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Nancy in New York
01-19-2015, 04:52 PM
I got the video and am putting it into another program so I will be able to post it. :thumbsup

Nancy in New York
01-19-2015, 04:59 PM
Here you go.
OMG this is just ONE PRECIOUS BABY!!!!!!!

VIDEO click on picture.
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/nancym518/2010%20Halloween%20Lucas/th_VID_20150118_181210_978.mp4 (http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/nancym518/2010%20Halloween%20Lucas/VID_20150118_181210_978.mp4)

pjjere
01-19-2015, 05:40 PM
What a cute little Peanut!! :) I read that there is no where close to get Esbilac but (and this is a question for the experts) would formula be good food for a squirrel this age? I would be willing to send you some if it would work?? It just seems to me you could dress it up so Peanut would like it and it may be a good way to get him the nutrition he needs. Let me know if I can help. BTW we got a Christmas ornament that I think Peanut modeled for.

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CritterMom
01-19-2015, 06:49 PM
OK, guys.

I knew last night that Peanut was not getting enough protein, but I did not know how much was the RIGHT amount.

I was able to talk to Leigh, the woman who owns Henry's, about this - it is her product so that is where I went. If this is the only protein that Peanut is getting, and it is if you have given a full list of his foods, he needs to be getting ONE TEASPOON per day. Please increase what you are giving him. I do believe this may have something to do with his poor condition right now.

nchls_school
01-19-2015, 07:26 PM
OK, guys.

I knew last night that Peanut was not getting enough protein, but I did not know how much was the RIGHT amount.

I was able to talk to Leigh, the woman who owns Henry's, about this - it is her product so that is where I went. If this is the only protein that Peanut is getting, and it is if you have given a full list of his foods, he needs to be getting ONE TEASPOON per day. Please increase what you are giving him. I do believe this may have something to do with his poor condition right now.

It was a full list of what I know he will eat. We constantly try other items without a lot of success. 1 tsp. powdered protein starting tomorrow morning. To be mixed-1 tsp of powdered protein + 1/8 tsp of vitamins + 1/4 tsp of powdered calcium + peanut or almond butter. Can you give me an approximate on the peanut/almond butter?

nchls_school
01-19-2015, 07:29 PM
I got the video and am putting it into another program so I will be able to post it. :thumbsup

Thank you.

SammysMom
01-19-2015, 07:34 PM
As little as possible to get it into him.
It was a full list of what I know he will eat. We constantly try other items without a lot of success. 1 tsp. powdered protein starting tomorrow morning. To be mixed-1 tsp of powdered protein + 1/8 tsp of vitamins + 1/4 tsp of powdered calcium + peanut or almond butter. Can you give me an approximate on the peanut/almond butter?

nchls_school
01-19-2015, 07:38 PM
What a cute little Peanut!! :) I read that there is no where close to get Esbilac but (and this is a question for the experts) would formula be good food for a squirrel this age? I would be willing to send you some if it would work?? It just seems to me you could dress it up so Peanut would like it and it may be a good way to get him the nutrition he needs. Let me know if I can help. BTW we got a Christmas ornament that I think Peanut modeled for.

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Thank you for your kind offer.

CritterMom
01-19-2015, 07:38 PM
It was a full list of what I know he will eat. We constantly try other items without a lot of success. 1 tsp. powdered protein starting tomorrow morning. To be mixed-1 tsp of powdered protein + 1/8 tsp of vitamins + 1/4 tsp of powdered calcium + peanut or almond butter. Can you give me an approximate on the peanut/almond butter?

Peanut will be the one to decide that! Neither are really nutritious, so the least amount that he is willing to eat the stuff with. You need enough so that you can make little balls that will stick together, so I would just experiment and see what he is willing to eat. Right now, getting him to eat it is the important thing. So basically, enough to make him like it!

danielpeng
01-19-2015, 08:55 PM
It's cute. But the picture looks really unclear.

nchls_school
01-20-2015, 08:45 AM
It's cute. But the picture looks really unclear.

Yes, they are blurred. Between Peanut moving and my wife's efforts to get a close-up. The camera doesn't focus right. Next time we'll try backing off a bit and see if that gives a clearer picture.

nchls_school
01-20-2015, 09:07 AM
Peanut will be the one to decide that! Neither are really nutritious, so the least amount that he is willing to eat the stuff with. You need enough so that you can make little balls that will stick together, so I would just experiment and see what he is willing to eat. Right now, getting him to eat it is the important thing. So basically, enough to make him like it!

I made the mixture this morning. Peanut ate four small bits off it quickly. The fifth bit he tried to hide. When I took it away from him he ignored any further attempts at me to get him to eat more. With the powders and peanut butter I ended up with about a tablespoon full of mixture. I left a few small balls of it in the cage before coming to work. If it isn't consumed Kimmi will force feed again. Last time he was force fed much of the ensure etc. ended up everywhere but in him and it took three days before he calmed down. We watched a TV show last night about animal rehabilitation. It showed a fox squirrel being force fed medicine with a syringe; looked so easy. The squirrel didn't chatter, squirm, shake its head, or spit the medicine out. Must be nice to have patients like that. Looking at Peanut's picture you'd think a little guy like that wouldn't be a problem; I wish that were true. I've medicated/force fed animals everywhere from dwarf hamsters to blue and gold macaws that could break a broomstick in half with one bite. None of them created the problems that Peanut does. Can any of these powders be dissolved in his drinking water to help get the required amounts into him?

nchls_school
01-23-2015, 04:11 PM
I made the mixture this morning. Peanut ate four small bits off it quickly. The fifth bit he tried to hide. When I took it away from him he ignored any further attempts at me to get him to eat more. With the powders and peanut butter I ended up with about a tablespoon full of mixture. I left a few small balls of it in the cage before coming to work. If it isn't consumed Kimmi will force feed again. Last time he was force fed much of the ensure etc. ended up everywhere but in him and it took three days before he calmed down. We watched a TV show last night about animal rehabilitation. It showed a fox squirrel being force fed medicine with a syringe; looked so easy. The squirrel didn't chatter, squirm, shake its head, or spit the medicine out. Must be nice to have patients like that. Looking at Peanut's picture you'd think a little guy like that wouldn't be a problem; I wish that were true. I've medicated/force fed animals everywhere from dwarf hamsters to blue and gold macaws that could break a broomstick in half with one bite. None of them created the problems that Peanut does. Can any of these powders be dissolved in his drinking water to help get the required amounts into him?

I haven't had any experience with squirrels prior to getting Peanut. I did not know how much food a squirrel would consume in a day. Then we got Peanut and he nibbled and played all day long. At the end of the day his total consumption amounted to very little. I assumed this was normal for a red squirrel. As most of you know I became the caregiver to another red squirrel that had invaded the home of a student (apparently there was only the one-there has been no further evidence of any more squirrels) and I thought she would eat twice as much as Peanut because she is twice as large. Not even close; Andi (the wild squirrel) eats much more. And I'm wondering where she puts it all because it's not being stored anywhere. Each day I give her more food. The odd thing is she eats all the nutritional food (squirrel block, calcium biscuits, and greens with vitamins) that Peanut won't eat and she leaves the "junk food" (all nuts and peanut butter) that we're having such a problem getting Peanut not to eat. Go figure-a squirrel that won't eat nuts. WHAT'S THE WORLD COMING TO!!

stosh2010
01-23-2015, 04:40 PM
Peanut's eyes look much brighter than in the earlier photos. \
I take many, many photos of my Costa Rican Crew...I have 4 --in the house and one released outside. and I have 5 (squirrel) threads. You may need to set the flash to go off on each shot to get a crystal clear photo.The slightest movement by Peanut--will blur the picture.
Clear photos really assist the rehabbers to make better recommendations for treatment.