EMERGENCY!!!....my baby is shaking and not eating!!!!

[jamie]

EMERGENCY!!!....my baby is shaking and doesnt walk on his front paws....he acts like he is drunk...very unstable wobbly...he wont eat out of the bottle...the last time he has ate was at 5pm but he had 15mL....which he was eating faithfully every 4 hours 5-10 mL...i dont know what is going on...i have given him 1 tum crushed and added to water....if someone can ask me questions and i could give answers that would be great!!!....this was wrote around midnight...so here is the latest news...and if you could please give me a little help with anything i would greatly appreciate it.....so far i had force fed him with a small 1 mL syringe at 1am....then I put him on a heating pad...he went pee finally and it was a pretty decent amount....after all of that i put him on the heating pad and he went to sleep....then he woke up around 4:20am....he went pee and i fed him with the 1 mL syringe...he was acting like he wanted to bite on something so i gave him a tums...he gnawed on it for a minute or two...then he went back to bed....i decided to feed him 1mL every 15-30 minutes...so he just ate 1mL...i mixed banana esbilac pedialyte and water....he went poop and it looked normal...now he is asleep again...he hasnt had the shaking since midnight....he ate at 5:05 am and just got done again at 5:21am....he went poop again...didnt go pee...he is bundled back up and i put him back on the heating blanket...i have it on medium and low...i am alternating...should i leave it on one or the other?...any and all help will be GREATLY apprecitated!!!...my guy is out of town and will not be getting in until late tonight 11/28/2014....so i am trying EVERYTHING possible....thank you very much...

[farrelli]

I'm not in the best shape, but this sounds like hypoglycemic shock at first blush. Molasses on the gums can help bring them round.

How old? What is his weight? What kind of formula? Are you feeding 5-7% of body weight, and on what schedule? What are the circumstances he came to you? Have you done the pinch test to test for hydration?

[jamie]

i am not sure of the age about 6-8 weeks i am guessing....he is 130 grams (4.6 oz)....i gave him karo syrup but he is still wobbly and not standing on his feet right...he finally started holding the tums with his front paws...i just gave him another 1 mL at 5:43 am...i am using esbilac puppy 1:2 ratio...i am giving him pedialyte and water with the formula....plus i encluded some pureed banana's so he would eat it....i just gave him some karo since i havent gave it to him in about 6 hours....he is sleeping again...he ate 1 mL .2 mL karo syrup .4 mL water....he pooped and peed....

[farrelli]

I am fading. Quick notes. Are you combining pedialyte with formula? Please answer. If so, STOP.

When did he open his eyes? They do so at 5 weeks. Given that, what age?

Got pics? It can help diagnose.

Is it Esbialc powder with probiotics on the label?

Again, what is his story? How did he come to you?

Also again, are you feeding 5-7% of body weight (e.g., a 100g sq would get 5-7ccs), and on what schedule?

I might go away, but others are already coming on. Your answers will help them. Details are important. Describe him, his circumstances, and when this all began and how it presented. Direct, bullet point facts are best, not a wandering paragraph. If this becomes an ongoing case, people will want to refer back to specific points, not re-read a long story. Think of your description like notes in a medical chart, because they really are.

[jamie]

forgot to answer some questions....yes i have done the pinch test...his skin was going back to normal right away....now since he has been acting like this; his skin is staying up for about 4-5 seconds...so that is why i started the pedialyte again...we came across it in a park...we were driving and it was in the road...we didnt hit it but drove over it...the little guy didnt move...then we pulled over and sat there for a minute...i noticed a bigger squirrel in the road down the street dead...so the little thing didnt move out of the road and there wasnt any squirrels around...it was freezing out and my husband walked up to it and it was shaking really bad....we got a container and warmed him up...then we contacted someone....he is not going to be coming home until late tonight....i have never taken care of squirrels...but i have my yorkie puppies...they all had some major medical conditions...hypoglycemia was pretty bad in all 3 and the pups our female had...i dont have any nutrical so that is why we have karo...i have been in constant contact with eric....i am waiting for him to get home...the little guy is moving around WAY better now that i am feeding him 1 mL every 15-20 minutes....and he has been passing more stool and urine....

[farrelli]

Probably my last note. 4-5 seconds is bad. Dehydration causes a downward spiral. Hydrate and give sugar. If on PL for more than 24 hrs, discontinue. Water, or sugar and water only. Salt will become counterproductive.

Good luck. Keep checking in. More people are showing up.

[CritterMom]

Sleepy Farelli is giving you good info.

Mix the esbilac with water ONLY. No pedialyte, no banana, just water.

To hydrate IN BETWEEN feedings, mix 1 teaspoon regular table sugar into 1 cup of water, warm it, and use that instead of the pedialyte.

You are best to feed 5-7% of the baby's weight at each feeding, and then give hydration in between feedings with the sugar water.

You say you are putting him ON a heating pad. The pad needs to go under the container he is in - baby shouldn't be right on it. Too MUCH heat could be helping to dehydrate him. What are you keeping him in?

How old, do you know? Eyes open or closed?

[czarina]

How long have you had him?

Getting him properly hydrated and warm, are the first steps, and very important.

Do not use towels.

Do you have any fleece? Olf T-shirts willalso work.

Please answer any and all questions, as you never know what is important.

Do you understand what CritterMom meant when she said to feed 5 to 7% of his body weight? This is very important.

How long have you had him?

[jamie]

i just lost ALL the info that i typed out.....i have to do it again....he is not as bad right now...his skin is bouncing back...i will give you all the info that was not posted a few minuites ago...THANK YOU EVERYBODY!!!

[farrelli]

Best if you write it in another program first and then copy and paste.

When you log in, there's a box that says something like "keep me logged in". Check it so that you don't log out and lose data.

Please keep up with the list. There's lots to know. Adult diet and care is different, and lots of people get it wrong, and get sick and dead sqs as a result.

[jamie]

not sure on age approx 8 weeks
eyes open
bottom teeth long
top teeth short
130 grams
was feeding every four hours esbilac formula premixed 1:2 he was eating 5-10 mL (is closer to 10 now)
lays on me currently
4am-6:30am every 15-20 minutes eating 1 mL from a syringe
6:30am-current every 20-30 minutes (but has not eaten for 7:30am)
he will not eat the plain formula (only with the banana) this just started happening with him sick

the heating pad was an emergency thing (didnt know company turned the heat down in his room)
he has a small cage with fleece blankets (to clean everyday)

[HRT4SQRLS]

You said he was on heating pad alternating between low and medium.
The heating pad SHOULD BE ON LOW under half the container so he can crawl off if he gets too warm.

You said you gave him a Tums in water. Do not give more Tums. Babies on formula do not get MBD.

Put him up to your ear and listen closely. Do you hear clicking when he breathes? This is very important.

[jamie]

only have had him 2 days (today)
was fine yesterday and and the evening/night before
something happened all the sudden
i did give him 1/2 walnut and some veggies because he had his teeth and able to hold and gnaw them
i need to feed him again so i will be back here in a few minutes

[jamie]

i thought i heard the clicking when he was breathing but i think it was paranoia because i have not heard it since

[HRT4SQRLS]

If you even thought you heard clicking, you need to start looking for antibiotics just in case. What antibiotic do you have?

Put him to you ear! Listen closely. Clicking= Pneumonia=Death without antibiotics.

[island rehabber]

Standing by....farrelli got you all the right info before crashing, and you're in great hands with HRT4SQRLS. I ditto everything both of them said.....and I would stop the Tums immediately.

[farrelli]

I have to go. So tired and have to feed my gaggle of troubled waterfowl in 8hrs. Clicking is death. Listen closely and report what you hear. If clicking, we will need you to get antibiotics immediately, tell us what you have and the weight of the sq. We will tell you what you can give and the appropriate dosing instructions, as per weight.

[jamie]

he is not on the heating pad anymore he is wrapped in a cut up fleece blanket
he just ate the milk without any banana and actually was lapping at it
he is walking on his front paws now
he is just wobbly
he isnt shaking either
so should i keep feeding him every 1/2 hour?
his weight is 130 grams
i have bactrim 800mg
thank you farrelli!!...

[jamie]

actually i already have him on the antibiotic (i forgot because of all the crazy stuff that has happened since 11 pm last night)
so he had a dose at midnight
i have everything wrote down that has been happening (time of day) and i was just going through it all and remembered about the antibiotics from my paper
i have stopped:
tums
pedialyte
bananas

so should i keep waking him up and feeding him every 1/2 hour

[HRT4SQRLS]

I would still offer him the option of the heating pad (LOW).
If he doesn't need it he will crawl off.

Are you sure there is no clicking? Usually when they crash suddenly, it is due to pneumoniae.

The Bactrim (SMP-TMP) could be used but it is NOT the best. Do you have Ciprofloxacin? I would call friends or family and try to get one pill ... even Amoxicillin would be better. Even though he seems better you need to be SUPER vigilant about the possibility of pneumonia.

If you think he is better, I would start slowing transitioning back to the normal feedings. Watch him closely for dehydration. Hydration is more important than food at this point.

[farrelli]

I'm really going now, but every 1/2 hr is way to much. I'll let others explain.

State how much antibiotic you've given and what instructions you're following. Too much can cause internal injury. He may need to be flushed with fluids.

[HRT4SQRLS]

How did you dose the antibiotic?
Did you crush it and mix with water?
Dosing is done by weight of the squirrel and the concentration of the drug.

No, I would not wake him every 1/2 hour for formula. I probably would give extra hydration every 2-3 hours.

[jamie]

one more thing
i am keeping him elevated while awake and asleep
just in case it was clicking
i don't have my stethoscopes they are at my grandpa's house
but i will keep trying to hear if he has it



he is grinding his teeth

is that normal

[jamie]

.12 mL first dose of bactrim at 11:56pm
.06 mL all other doses upto 14 days
this is for 130 grams
eric has been walking me through everything until he gets home

he wanted me to get on here and get everybody's take and what it could be's

thanks for everything!

[island rehabber]

Grinding his teeth is a sign of pain.
Gently move his arms & legs to see if he flinches from anything, as if he sprained it.....
Gently massage his belly to see if he reacts in a way that would signal abdominal pain...

[jamie]

i crushed 400 mg with 6 mL of hot water and gave it to him last night

if you have any other dosing information let me know

[HRT4SQRLS]

he is grinding his teeth

is that normal

Not really. It can be an indication of pain. Sometimes though they do make mouth/teeth/grunting sounds that are completely normal.

Does he appear to be in pain or is he resting comfortably?

I think we should dose the Bactrim properly. Do you have another pill or is it a liquid?

Could you post a picture of him?

[jamie]

i checked him over by moving body parts and gently pushing around on his belly. He did not act like anything was wrong. He did not flinch or anything. He just wanted to curl back up and go to bed

[HRT4SQRLS]

Is Eric a pharmacist, MD or rehabber? :grin2
That dosing is correct!! :thumbsup
The loading dose was also a good idea.

I would not continue for 14 days. 5-7 days should be adequate for a bacterial infection.
14 days is used for coccidia (a parasite).

Your dose is correct but just as a FYI, according to the book (Wild Baby Mammals) that we use for
dosing, the correct dose for squirrels (for Bactrim) is 25mg/kg. I suspect you already knew that. :)

[jamie]

I will post a picture. But everybody in my house is currently asleep and i do not know how to do transferring of pictures. but somebody should be awake here shortly. he is sleeping comfortably. When he wakes up he acts like he is starving. He just did that when I checked him. But went right back to sleep when i wrapped him up in his blanket

I do not have liquid antibiotic. It was a tablet. I split the 800mg to make 2 400mgs. then i just disolved it in hot water

[jamie]

yes! eric is state licensed in the state of ohio :) and he has been such a great help. i have kept VERY close contact with him. if i ever needed a question answered or anything he has always told me what to do. he told me that he would be back home today. he wanted me to jump on here and ask questions. just in case he did not think of everything.

[czarina]

Why did you initially start him on an antibiotic?

Please do not miss any doses, if you are instructed to continue with it.

Also, good that you stopped the tums and banana. Too much calcium or potassium can lead to critical situations.

Good luck!

[jamie]

i am going to get off here. he is not shaking anymore. and he is sleeping. i have been up for a VERY long time because of the holiday and i am falling asleep on the computer. but if anybody had any other tid bits to throw out there i would appreciate them! thank you everybody!!!!...you guys are awesome for helping me and my baby.... :)

[jamie]

czarina
when i told eric i thought i heard him breathing and it sounded like a click or sound bubbly he wanted me to start the baby on it ASAP

[HRT4SQRLS]

You're doing a great job Jaime! :thumbsup
The baby is on antibiotics, he is resting comfortably and his appetite is good so ALL of these are great news. :bliss

Here is a link that shows proper feeding technique. You want the head up so that formula does not go into the lungs. Don't feed him on his back like a human baby. Does your baby have a name. :grin2

http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?36776-PROPER-FEEDING-TECHNIQUE!!

GET SOME REST!!!! :)

[HRT4SQRLS]

Wait a minute!!!
Eric ... is he a licensed rehabber? Licensed ... Eric ... Ohio ...
Are you referring to Eric Taylor? Our Eric Taylor! :grin3

[Nancy in New York]

i crushed 400 mg with 6 mL of hot water and gave it to him last night

if you have any other dosing information let me know


Are you talking about the Bactrim here in this post?
If so this is INCORRECT.

First never split a pill.
If you have another Bactrim, crush the WHOLE pill and add 16 mls of water to it.

Always give a probiotic 2 hours prior or 2 hours after giving any antibiotic.

ALSO could someone have handled your little squirrel and dropped it?
This to me sounds like he has taken some sort of a fall. You suggested too
that he was trying to bite, which is indicative of pain. Do you have infant ibuprophen?
Is his tail dragging, or is he able to hold it up?
You can email me
photos and I will post on the board.
***

[Mommaluvy]

Wait a minute!!!
Eric ... is he a licensed rehabber? Licensed ... Eric ... Ohio ...
Are you referring to Eric Taylor? Our Eric Taylor! :grin3



That is exactly what I was going to ask. I am very near you also if you need anything but if you have Eric you have far more than I could offer as I am a newbie. I have cipro, ( fishflox) if you need it.

How long have you had this little one?
Sounds like you have not had him too terribly long.

I am assuming that he is 7-10 percent dehydrate if his skin is tenting that long. I would try to make sure he gets at least 9 ml of extra water or a home made re hydration solution via mouth if he can take it ( in the 24 hour )

You said BOTTLE.. in one of the first posts...is baby eating off a bottle or syringe? If you have answered this then just disregard.. I am not done reading all the posts yet.

[Nancy in New York]

was feeding every four hours esbilac formula premixed 1:2 he was eating 5-10 mL (is closer to 10 now)


Are you feeding him the powdered Puppy Esbilac with probiotics? Are you dissolving it 1 part Esbilac to 2 parts hot water?

[jamie]

i will call around and see if anybody has cipro or amoxicillian. He has more energy but still weak. He is able to get around on the floor now and climb up and down my body (like a tree). I have been giving the sugar water to him when he licks at my hand. Just about .2 mL. Then I offer water too. He is doing better. Thank you everybody!!!.... :hug

[jamie]

You're doing a great job Jaime! :thumbsup
The baby is on antibiotics, he is resting comfortably and his appetite is good so ALL of these are great news. :bliss

Here is a link that shows proper feeding technique. You want the head up so that formula does not go into the lungs. Don't feed him on his back like a human baby. Does your baby have a name. :grin2

http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?36776-PROPER-FEEDING-TECHNIQUE!!

GET SOME REST!!!! :)


my husband and daughter named him rockey. i keep calling him a rabbit. so i think my name for him is rabbit. thank you for all the information! It is GREATLY appreciated!

[jamie]

Wait a minute!!!
Eric ... is he a licensed rehabber? Licensed ... Eric ... Ohio ...
Are you referring to Eric Taylor? Our Eric Taylor! :grin3


yes!!....eric has been wonderful and very helpful to me and my husband....i have been doing everything he has said to do (plus what others have been telling me on here)!!....

[jamie]

That is exactly what I was going to ask. I am very near you also if you need anything but if you have Eric you have far more than I could offer as I am a newbie. I have cipro, ( fishflox) if you need it.

How long have you had this little one?
Sounds like you have not had him too terribly long.

I am assuming that he is 7-10 percent dehydrate if his skin is tenting that long. I would try to make sure he gets at least 9 ml of extra water or a home made re hydration solution via mouth if he can take it ( in the 24 hour )

You said BOTTLE.. in one of the first posts...is baby eating off a bottle or syringe? If you have answered this then just disregard.. I am not done reading all the posts yet.


if you do have cipro i would LOVE to get a tablet off of you....i can meet half way and give you some money for gas or something!!!....i just want this little guy to make it....let me know if it is possible....i live in cincinnati/colerain/mt. healthy/white oak/finneytown area.....i am close to all the highways too....

[jamie]

i am running out the door to go to the pet store for my guy...i will be back on here in a few...Thank you everybody!!...:serene

[czarina]

You are doing a great job. BUT, your work has just started, ha ha. With squirrels, it gets worse before it gets better. By that I mean, the worrying gets worse. You have only hsd him 2 days. They have a way of getting into your heart, and then the little rascals start worrying you sick. Is he eating right, is he pooping and peeing right........and it just goes on from there. But, there is nothing loke the love of a squirrel.

Also, I would try and keep him as quiet as you can for now. I know, easier said than done, but it is really important for his recovery. Dark, quiet is what he needs. Whatever is going on, is taking a toll on his little body, but, as a wild animal, he will try to hide how ,bad he feels, so predators don't notice him. So calm and quiet.

Also, I think Nancy might be right. He might have gotten injured. They are clumsy at that age, and he might have tried to jump and missed his mark, or been climbing and fell. But when they grind their teeth, it usually is a sign of pain.

Never cut a pill in half, UNLESS, it is scored. If it is scored, the company has manufactured it to have equal amounts of the med, in each half. This is a rule we use in the hospital.

But you are doing great, keep up the good work!
Give Rabbit Rocky a scritch behind his ear for me.

[eric taylor]

Wait a minute!!!
Eric ... is he a licensed rehabber? Licensed ... Eric ... Ohio ...
Are you referring to Eric Taylor? Our Eric Taylor! :grin3

Yes she''s talking about me :grin2
Thanks everyone for helping her! When I get back it will be easier too help since you guys got her started.

[eric taylor]

I do believe it had a score mark. I do agree if you can get the cipro I believe its far better.
Thank you to everyone for helping Jamie! She needed more than just my help so told her to come here. Please be patient with her, she's trying everything she can and has kids and a life and has handled the stress far better than I did when I came here. Blessed we all are to have this place and all it's people!!

[Nancy in New York]

I do believe it had a score mark. I do agree if you can get the cipro I believe its far better.
Thank you to everyone for helping Jamie! She needed more than just my help so told her to come here. Please be patient with her, she's trying everything she can and has kids and a life and has handled the stress far better than I did when I came here. Blessed we all are to have this place and all it's people!!

IF the pill is scored, she needs to add 8 mls. of water to the crushed pill, not 6.
AND make sure she is giving probiotics.

[Mommaluvy]

Jamie,

I live in the Batavia East gate area. I will pm you my phone number.
If Eric thinks cipro ( fish flox ) it will be better I'll meet ya somewhere.

Hey Eric :dance

[Nancy in New York]

Jamie,

I live in the Batavia East gate area. I will pm you my phone number.
If Eric thinks cipro ( fish flox ) it will be better I'll meet ya somewhere.

Great offer. If this is respiratory, Cipro/Baytril is the #1 choice.

[eric taylor]

IF the pill is scored, she needs to add 8 mls. of water to the crushed pill, not 6.
AND make sure she is giving probiotics.

ok sweetie I'm not near my book and doing this from memory now and I still come up with 6, can you show me what I'm doing wrong and how you come up with 8 please?

[Mommaluvy]

Never cut a pill in half, UNLESS, it is scored. If it is scored, the company has manufactured it to have equal amounts of the med, in each half. This is a rule we use in the hospital.


Oh boy ( thread jack) I need to call my pharmacist ! The doc has me cutting synthroid pills for one of my kids.. Don't think they are scored.. No wonder her blood work was so insane !


Also..Jamie /Eric I have a big bottle of metacam too . I can measure her some out if you like or think he needs for pain .

[eric taylor]

Oh boy ( thread jack) I need to call my pharmacist ! The doc has me cutting synthroid pills for one of my kids.. Don't think they are scored.. No wonder her blood work was so insane !


Also..Jamie /Eric I have a big bottle of metacam too . I can measure her some out if you like or think he needs for pain .

I think she fell asleep, she's not answering my text anymore either. Poor girl has been up countless hours scared and trying everything. You will probably be her best bet on getting fast help hon.

[Mommaluvy]

I think she fell asleep, she's not answering my text anymore either. Poor girl has been up countless hours scared and trying everything. You will probably be her best bet on getting fast help hon.

I'll get some tablets together. You think any pain can be handled with infant IBP. Or do you want some metacam?

[eric taylor]

I'll get some tablets together. You think any pain can be handled with infant IBP. Or do you want some metacam?

Honestly I don't know, I guess the better prepared she is the better off the baby will be. I'll try to get her to contact you and you 2 can work that out. I know she'll do whatever it takes. She's got a heart and cares a lot of what happens to him.

[Mommaluvy]

Honestly I don't know, I guess the better prepared she is the better off the baby will be. I'll try to get her to contact you and you 2 can work that out. I know she'll do whatever it takes. She's got a heart and cares a lot of what happens to him.

Sounds good.. I sent her my cell number and found Mt Healthy on the map :) Norwood looks like a good halfway point. I'll be ready when she calls. You will have to dose her the metacam though cause I don't know meds just yet.

[eric taylor]

Sounds good.. I sent her my cell number and found Mt Healthy on the map :) Norwood looks like a good halfway point. I'll be ready when she calls. You will have to dose her the metacam though cause I don't know meds just yet.

Sounds good sweetheart. This place is where I learned 80% of what I know. Stay here and learn all you can:) BTW glad to have you in my neck of the woods, It got awful lonely by myself! Squirrelsrule has been a blessing too! She's somewhat close and bugged the crap out of her. Nancy, Jackie, Mrs. skul, IR and countless others have been awesome too. Which is why I sent Jamie. If you have a directory save my number, call, text, or whatever anytime!

[eric taylor]

247807Heres Her baby, she sent it to me to post.

[SammysMom]

If you give me the strength of the meds and the baby's weight, I can dose them for you. So glad you are close and have meds! Thank-you for the terrific offer!

[eric taylor]

If you give me the strength of the meds and the baby's weight, I can dose them for you. So glad you are close and have meds! Thank-you for the terrific offer!

The Bactrim is 800 . he weighs 130g

[SammysMom]

I see that Nancy already told you that you add 8cc water to 1/2 of that 800mg tablet. Did you get the corrected dose?

[Mommaluvy]

If you give me the strength of the meds and the baby's weight, I can dose them for you. So glad you are close and have meds! Thank-you for the terrific offer!

Sent.. Sammy's mom

On standby Waiting on her call.

Eric , I got your number :) I am sure I'll be calling ya again soon. Glad I can be of help.

[eric taylor]

Sent.. Sammy's mom

On standby Waiting on her call.

Eric , I got your number :) I am sure I'll be calling ya again soon. Glad I can be of help.

Now I remember you, you called a few months back!

[eric taylor]

I see that Nancy already told you that you add 8cc water to 1/2 of that 800mg tablet. Did you get the corrected dose?

Yes I did thank you!

[Nancy in New York]

ok sweetie I'm not near my book and doing this from memory now and I still come up with 6, can you show me what I'm doing wrong and how you come up with 8 please?

Eric, IF you are going with HALF of the 800 mg pill, that will make it 400 mg.
We want a strength of 50 mg/ml and this is dosed at 25 mg/kg, so you have to
add 8 mls. of water to the 400 mg of medicine.
IF you only add 6 mls the strength is 67 mg/ml which is considerably higher than
what the book doses.

[eric taylor]

Eric, IF you are going with HALF of the 800 mg pill, that will make it 400 mg.
We want a strength of 50 mg/ml and this is dosed at 25 mg/kg, so you have to
add 8 mls. of water to the 400 mg of medicine.
IF you only add 6 mls the strength is 67 mg/ml which is considerably higher than
what the book doses.

I see what I done wrong. Thank you for catching it!

[HRT4SQRLS]

Eric,
I wanted you to know that your dosing was SO close I didn't feel the need to bring it up. If you are using the WMB 'chart' for dosing you do need to get your solution to 50 mg/ml which would indeed be 8 ml of water added to a 400mg pill. If you are doing the 'math' the concentration of your suspension (67) is plugged into the formula. Your solution at 67mg/ml would work just as well. The only difference is the amount, which is MINUTE.
For a 50mg/ml solution the amount to give is approximately 0.07ml.
For a 67mg/ml solution the amount to give is approximately 0.05ml

Your dose was 0.06ml. I felt that was close enough as this is not a measurable amount with the crude device (1cc syringe) that we use.

I didn't want Jaime to think that she had overdosed Rocky.

[Mommaluvy]

I hope all is well .. Have not heard anything.

[eric taylor]

Eric,
I wanted you to know that your dosing was SO close I didn't feel the need to bring it up. If you are using the WMB 'chart' for dosing you do need to get your solution to 50 mg/ml which would indeed be 8 ml of water added to a 400mg pill. If you are doing the 'math' the concentration of your suspension (67) is plugged into the formula. Your solution at 67mg/ml would work just as well. The only difference is the amount, which is MINUTE.
For a 50mg/ml solution the amount to give is approximately 0.07ml.
For a 67mg/ml solution the amount to give is approximately 0.05ml

Your dose was 0.06ml. I felt that was close enough as this is not a measurable amount with the crude device (1cc syringe) that we use.

I didn't want Jaime to think that she had overdosed Rocky.
absolutely sweetheart. For some reason I used 300 instead of 400.
The embarrassing Part is that I kept doing it over and over knowing it was 400

[eric taylor]

I hope all is well .. Have not heard anything.

Neither have I. Been 3 hrs at least

[Nancy in New York]

Just for clarification for anyone reading.
I always go exactly by the book when dosing.
While the amounts are always tiny, I do it exactly.
The book doses at 25 mg/kg
For the strength you had of 67 mg/ml the dose should have been .048.
The squirrel was given .06.
I consider 25% more per dosing, a considerable amount.

Had this been another drug, such as ivermectin, (and not an antibiotic) this could have been lethal.
Close enough just doesn't work for me. :peace

[jamie]

Are you talking about the Bactrim here in this post?
If so this is INCORRECT.

First never split a pill.
If you have another Bactrim, crush the WHOLE pill and add 16 mls of water to it.

Always give a probiotic 2 hours prior or 2 hours after giving any antibiotic.

ALSO could someone have handled your little squirrel and dropped it?
This to me sounds like he has taken some sort of a fall. You suggested too
that he was trying to bite, which is indicative of pain. Do you have infant ibuprophen?
Is his tail dragging, or is he able to hold it up?
You can email me
photos and I will post on the board.
***



Hi....this little guy is pretty good....today he has been eating well again...he climbed up my body like he was the day before :) he is sleeping less and playing more...not long play but active...i gave him a whole walnut and he was rolling it around on his little blanket i have out for him....he played with our hands today too!...no kids were in the room where he was at....my father in law stayed in there....but the heat was turned down from mid 80's to around 70....and he was fed by my daughter and put back to bed....the heating pad has automatic turn off....she didnt know it...so it was not on...but so far so good....he has not had that bubbly sound at all today...i have been with him constantly...and when i am not i swaddle him (i guess that would me the word) with the fleece blankets....i put them all around him and he nestles down in them...he has the heating pad only as needed...the room is always warm (even before he came here).....he doesnt grind his teeth all the time...its only certain times...it is mostly when he is sleeping...i have a cell phone with the pictures of him today and the day other day....but you would never know if you seen him right now that he was that bad last night....i didnt think he was going to make it...but i stayed up all night and most of the morning to keep feeding him little amounts close together...then he worked himself back upto 4-5 hours between feedings....i have been giving extra water and also the sugar water that was told to give in the previous posts from others....but he is sooooo much better today....without everybody on here i dont know how i would have held it together and used everybodys feedback...i just did what was instructed....his tail is up in the air...last night it was not...i think it was him having a seizure from low sugar...that is what happened to a couple of my yorkies and i gave them nutrical....but i did not have any and did not want to give him any just in case he couldnt have it....but if you have any questions you can inbox me...i can also send you the picture i took today...thanks for responding!!..:grin3

[Nancy in New York]

Oh this is a fantastic update!
This little one was LUCKY to find his way to YOU.
I know that you stayed up all night with him, and believe me,
they can feel the love. I often think that even when they are sick,
they try to "will" themselves better because of the love they know we
have for them.
You did great, absolutely fabulous in fact!
All finders should be just like you!
Thank you for helping him, and for opening your heart and home to
this lucky little fuzzer.
:hug:Love_Icon:hug

Send me pictures if you want, I will gladly post them.
I may not be sitting at my computer, but when I get them,
I will post! :thumbsup

[jamie]

You are doing a great job. BUT, your work has just started, ha ha. With squirrels, it gets worse before it gets better. By that I mean, the worrying gets worse. You have only hsd him 2 days. They have a way of getting into your heart, and then the little rascals start worrying you sick. Is he eating right, is he pooping and peeing right........and it just goes on from there. But, there is nothing loke the love of a squirrel.

Also, I would try and keep him as quiet as you can for now. I know, easier said than done, but it is really important for his recovery. Dark, quiet is what he needs. Whatever is going on, is taking a toll on his little body, but, as a wild animal, he will try to hide how ,bad he feels, so predators don't notice him. So calm and quiet.

Also, I think Nancy might be right. He might have gotten injured. They are clumsy at that age, and he might have tried to jump and missed his mark, or been climbing and fell. But when they grind their teeth, it usually is a sign of pain.

Never cut a pill in half, UNLESS, it is scored. If it is scored, the company has manufactured it to have equal amounts of the med, in each half. This is a rule we use in the hospital.

But you are doing great, keep up the good work!
Give Rabbit Rocky a scritch behind his ear for me.

:thankyou

[SammysMom]

This is a wonderful update! Thank-you for working so hard to help your baby. They are worth every sleepless night they cost us...:grouphug:Love_Icon:grouphug

[jamie]

Oh this is a fantastic update!
This little one was LUCKY to find his way to YOU.
I know that you stayed up all night with him, and believe me,
they can feel the love. I often think that even when they are sick,
they try to "will" themselves better because of the love they know we
have for them.
You did great, absolutely fabulous in fact!
All finders should be just like you!
Thank you for helping him, and for opening your heart and home to
this lucky little fuzzer.
:hug:Love_Icon:hug

Send me pictures if you want, I will gladly post them.
I may not be sitting at my computer, but when I get them,
I will post! :thumbsup



thank you very much!!...we are just kinda laying around right now...he is sleeping on my pillow with his blankeys and i am waiting for him to wake up shortly to eat :) it has been a blessing in disguise actually...taking care of him has taken my mind off of ALOT of stress i have had....my family was involved in a pretty bad car accident...my car was totaled and fighting with the insurance company over everything....with school him and my daughter i havent had time for much....my son came in this weekend too from college...he is in his 3rd year at Ohio University in Athens, Ohio....so i even had some time with him...but this little fella here he was supposed to be where he was and i was suppose to be where i was (on our way to pick our daughter up from school....i didnt want to go)!!...i dont really like driving much right now....but if i have to i will....its been a challenge but i handled it with everyones help!!!...thank you... :grin3

[jamie]

i want to thank EVERYONE!!!...everybody giving me advice i wrote it down....looked it over and then put a plan in place....i just did what everybody else who is a caregiver would have done....nurtured him back....i love working/taking care of people and pets...its funny i never thought of a squirrel though...hahaha...i am going to try and learn more from this board...i came across a few interesting topics....THANKS AGAIN EVERYBODY!!.. <3 :)

have a good night... :wave123

[Nancy in New York]

Good night sweetie, get some rest. You deserve it.
And give that little one a big hug from me. :hug
They can sure take over our hearts fast!

[jamie]

247807Heres Her baby, she sent it to me to post.


THANKS eric for posting this picture!!..:sleep
good night!...

[jamie]

Good night sweetie, get some rest. You deserve it.
And give that little one a big hug from me. :hug
They can sure take over our hearts fast!

:grouphug

[squirrelsrule&bunniestoo]

Glad he is feeling better! Can you post a whole body picture of him when he's not eating? His face looks swollen in the picture. It could just be because his mouth is open, but it looks swollen.