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SammysMom
11-08-2014, 01:15 PM
I just got this email with the pics shown here. Am I nuts or is this pox? What the heck do I tell her to do?

Nancy in New York
11-08-2014, 01:29 PM
Where is this little one?
I see the white tears in the one picture.
Is this some person's back yard?
Could this be mange and pox?
Why don't I see so many bumps.
In the one photo, it looks like the skin is wrinkled, you
know like a baby's hands or feet if they are in water too long.
(My grandson is a water bug, and his little hands always look that
way after hours in the pool. :tilt)
I wished the pictures were closer.
It does depend where this squirrel is. If it's a place this person visits, park, etc.
that will be difficult to treat religiously, so I hope it's in their yard.
That fur looks terrible, so dull. Poor little peanut. :(

SammysMom
11-08-2014, 01:31 PM
I have sent an email. It is a town over from me. I hope to God it is mange...

Nancy in New York
11-08-2014, 01:35 PM
I have sent an email. It is a town over from me. I hope to God it is mange...

What do you think?

SammysMom
11-08-2014, 01:40 PM
I just spoke with the finder on the phone. She sees him in her yard and it is lumpy looking. She had looked it up and was thinking mange also. She also said he can't climb and he is slow moving. I really just don't know what to do about this guy. She is unwilling to get close to him in fear for herself and her animals...

HRT4SQRLS
11-08-2014, 02:19 PM
Why don't you suggest that they treat for mange with a drug laced pecan. That way, no one has to touch the squirrel.
Just in case it is pox ... I found the following regarding pox. Based on their experience with pox squirrels they suggest supportive care such as food and water as opposed to capture and the stress overload that leads to death. She could surely put out food for the poor squirrel right? :dono

Date: Tue 11 Oct 2011
Source: Ark Angels Wildlife Rescue, Inc. [edited]
http://wildlifedisease.nbii.gov/documents/digest/SquirrelPox_Comment.pdf


We are still experiencing squirrel pox in our gray squirrel population
on Key Largo and Islamorada. Although not as severe as the original
outbreak 2 years ago [2009], it continues to affect the gray
squirrels.

We have found that if people with feeding stations would simply wash
the water supply containers with bleach at least once daily, spray the
feeding area with a diluted bleach solution, and continue to provide
food, the affected squirrels recover better than if they are taken
into rehab where the combination of the debilitating effects of the
virus and the stress of captivity cause them to die. Maintaining the
feeding station during the outbreak is important. Squirrels who
develop pox lesions over their eyes are still able to locate food and
water easily in familiar locations during their recovery. The affected
squirrels often remain in trees located within the feeding station
area leaving the tree only to eat and drink.

[Byline: Karen Dettmann]

--
Communicated by:
ProMED-mail from HealthMap Alerts
<promed@promedmail.org>

[Squirrel pox is a viral disease that only affects squirrels. It is
caused by a parapoxvirus that circulates naturally in gray and fox
squirrel populations of the eastern part of North America. From
Ontario down to North Carolina the disease is of endemic presentation.
Unlike the dramatic impact this pathogen has had on red squirrel
populations in the UK, where the virus was introduced with the gray
squirrels, it does not represent a concern for the conservation of
gray and fox squirrels, as the virus is part of their parasite
community. However, in Florida the disease has been reported to
sporadically occur in the form of large epidemics (see Terrell et al.
J Wildl Dis 38: 305-12). These outbreaks might indicate an underlying
poor condition or impaired immunocompetence, and hence the feeding
advice is appropriate - Mod.PMB]

[Key Largo and Islamorada can be seen on the HealthMap/ProMED-mail
interactive map at http://healthmap.org/r/1kov. - Sr.Tech.Ed.MJ]

SammysMom
11-08-2014, 02:24 PM
Thank-you H4S!!!

Nancy in New York
11-08-2014, 03:00 PM
I just spoke with the finder on the phone. She sees him in her yard and it is lumpy looking. She had looked it up and was thinking mange also. She also said he can't climb and he is slow moving. I really just don't know what to do about this guy. She is unwilling to get close to him in fear for herself and her animals...

This isn't good that he can't climb, he seems doomed then. :(
I feel for you Gayle, this is a tough one without the
cooperation of the finder, your hands are pretty much tied.
Could you go over, if she calls when he's there, and just see
for yourself what we are dealing with?

SammysMom
11-08-2014, 03:17 PM
I can try, but it will take me quite some time to get there. 25 - 30 minutes

Nancy in New York
11-08-2014, 05:10 PM
I can try, but it will take me quite some time to get there. 25 - 30 minutes
Oh geez, sorry I thought it was somewhere closer.

SammysMom
11-08-2014, 05:57 PM
It is in a weird rural area and although it isn't far as the crow flies, it is a distance.

Tab
11-08-2014, 07:30 PM
I do hate to say it but that looks exactly like Sammy did as his pox was advancing. My heart just sank as I saw the bald swelled up wrinkly arms...even his face...it looks like his pox :(

SammysMom
11-08-2014, 07:32 PM
That was what I thought too Tab. I am so worried for him...:sad

Tab
11-08-2014, 07:40 PM
Me too...I'm certainly not an expert but it looks maybe too advanced for any medications to work...I wish he could still be caught either way to save his suffering. It's devastating to see this :( if he's movin real slow and can't climb anymore it's only a matter of time before something catches him...

island rehabber
11-08-2014, 09:04 PM
Mange and pox often go hand in hand, I'm afraid....he probably has both. Something supressed his immune system and both the virus and the mange mites were able to take over. I agree with supplementing him with easily available food and water, and slipping some ivermectin or Revolution into him as well.

Shewhosweptforest
11-08-2014, 11:39 PM
Poor, poor little Bub :shakehead it breaks my heart to see such suffering :boohoo

Tab
11-10-2014, 09:13 PM
Hey does anyone have any updates on this squirrel? :/

SammysMom
11-10-2014, 09:29 PM
I apologize, I heard from her yesterday. Her neighbor found this poor little one bleeding and dying so "put him out of his misery". I am disgusted by the fact that I didn't get a call. The very least that I could do was take him to a vet to have him humanely euthanized.
Godspeed little guy...you mattered...:Love_Icon:Love_Icon:Love_Icon

Tab
11-10-2014, 09:40 PM
Noooooo!! Oh no...that poor poor baby. I was comparing his looks to Sammys and the help I have gotten on here which is why I too said he should be caught and 'relieved' of his suffering. If Sammy isn't even a 'sure' survivor it only seemed best to get him to the vet before something like this transpired...sad tears for this little guy.........Im so sorry Gayle

TubeDriver
11-10-2014, 10:31 PM
Poor little squirrel.:( You did not pass unnoticed. Gods Speed.


I can only hope that the neighbor was humane and the method was fast and painless.

Shewhosweptforest
11-10-2014, 11:03 PM
:shakehead :boohoo Rest peacefully now sweet wild :grouphug :Love_Icon

Nancy in New York
11-10-2014, 11:08 PM
Oh sweet baby. :Cry
I hope death came quickly.
Rest with the angels precious one.246721

SammysMom
11-11-2014, 12:07 AM
I will stay in touch with the finder to see if others arrive in poor condition. :sad

Mommaluvy
11-11-2014, 10:31 AM
So sorry :( poor kid.