5week flyer bad diahrrea for 3 days

[michaylab]

I have a 5 week old flyer I have had her 2 weeks. She is on fox valley 20/50. She has had diarrhiea for 3 days now. It started out clear looking and now it is yellow. I have gave her hydration formula, fox vAlley/yogurt, and spread out the feedings.

[ALittleNutty]

What is her weight and how much are you feeding at each feeding?

[michaylab]

She did weigh 29 g was feeding (tried to do exact amount) 1.45 cc I just weighed her again and she weighs 25 g

[ALittleNutty]

I was hoping it might be a simple case of overfeeding but that's not it. Hopefully someone else might have an idea what might be causing this.

Exactly what is your formula recipe? How often are you making up fresh formula?

[michaylab]

2 parts water 1 part powder like I'm suppose to I feed every 4 hours and I only make enough to last like 4 feedings and I keep it in the fridge

[michaylab]

Should I change to the goat formula

[pixiepoo]

how long have you had her, was there any change in her feedings/diet? I was thinking overfeeding too but could be intestinal parasite or another type of GI upset.

EDIT: sorry I just saw you have had her 2 weeks. Did you do anything different? even open a new bag of formula? New container of yogurt? add more cream? etc? If not I would make sure she is well hydrated and treat for intestinal parasites. this is weird to ask but does her poop have a very strong odor to it? It is hard to explain but coccidia has a very distinct odor to it. Do you have any meds on hand?

[ALittleNutty]

Thanks for stepping in on this Pixie. I got called away from the house for a while. I'm stumped unless something changed in the diet.

[michaylab]

No nothing has changed. Last night I gave her fluids and she still has diahrrea. My dad is going to call my grandpa, he is a dog breeder, and ask him if he has albon

[michaylab]

Okay so the poop has changed to white, thick, pasty poop. I was told that is over feeding. I was pretty sure I did everything right but I guess not. So is white poop a step forward from runny poop and a step closer to what the poop is supose to be? Also, yesterday night I skipped two feedings and gave her hydration water instead. Can I do this again?

[Mommaluvy]

I would hydrate between feedings.
It sounded like you were feeding At 5%.
They need their calories ... How was her weight after skipping the two feeds for hydration. Not a bad idea .. But they do need the calories.

The white pastey poop USUALLY indicates over feeding but not all the time. That has not been my experiance . I have seen overfeeding poops and I have had a squirrel with a nasty case of parasites of some sort whose poop was every color of the rainbow except purple . Red, yellow, green, so green it looked blue, black from imodium , and even cream. One point his poo looked just like his formula. I think it went right through him.

And lets not even talk about textures ! Ran the gamet there too!

i am not saying your baby needs meds. But i think your wise to be looking in that direction. Your feed amount sounded correct. And if you withheld 2 feedings ... Well that should have done something to firm them up .

If you suspect coccidia then just go straight for baycox IMP
And if your thinking giardia then go for panacur or fenbendazole (same drug different name.

When you said 3 days .. And now having skipped two feedings.. Yeah. Sounds like more going on to me. That said i am NEW to squirrels. Your guy is a flyer and i have no experiance there . But after having been through what i have been fighting with my squirrel....

Someone with more experiance will be her shortly.
I think the Skuls famiky is flyer experts . She has asked people to call her cause she is not able to be online rigt now .. Maybe someone could pass you the number?

[Mommaluvy]

Also what hydration formula are you using?
The best us the home made.. I would make that up and remove the salt.. Add just enough sugar to make it taste nice.

Let baby have all it wants of the hydration.

But mind you , take it easy on the sugar .. It can cause the runs. Fresh warm water would be best but .. It doesnt taste yummy to them yet.

[michaylab]

Thanks for replying! So you think she has parasites? I called the vet and he wasn't there and he isn't open on Sundays :( I'm using 1/2 teaspoon salt 1 1/2 tablespoon sugar and 2 cups warm water. I will take your advice about the hydration formula.

[pixiepoo]

It really sounds like Coccidia to me. Baycox or SMZ would be really helpful as Albon is useless IMO. Does anyone on the board have some they are willing/able to share? :poke

I was really hoping it was a quick fix like overfeeding! The skipping 2 feedings and only hydrating probably would have fixed that. :( As others have suggested I would now hydrate between feedings just to ensure she won't dehydrate. Keep a very close eye in her. Dehydration can kill pretty quickly (not trying to scare you but want you to be aware).

Can you post a picture of her and in particular of her belly? Perhaps a full body one too? I would think if it was some sort of intestinal parasite that it would be a bit bloated or she would be very skinny.

[michaylab]

How do I do that? Lol

[michaylab]

It's not letting me because I'm on a ipod. Can I email them to you?

[michaylab]

I looked on the internet for one of those antibiotics and I need a perscription. Do you know a place where I can buy them without a perscription? I'm just trying to hurry things up so I can cure her. I'm still going to see if I can bring in the poop to the vet.

[michaylab]

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[Anne]

You can order Baycox without a perscription from this site: www.thebeardeddragon.com.
Best would be if someone near you has some extra SMZ-TMP and will mail or whatever it to you.
After the first 24 hours of hydrating, stop adding salt to the mix.

[Mommaluvy]

It really sounds like Coccidia to me. Baycox or SMZ would be really helpful as Albon is useless IMO. Does anyone on the board have some they are willing/able to share? :poke

I was really hoping it was a quick fix like overfeeding! The skipping 2 feedings and only hydrating probably would have fixed that. :( As others have suggested I would now hydrate between feedings just to ensure she won't dehydrate. Keep a very close eye in her. Dehydration can kill pretty quickly (not trying to scare you but want you to be aware).

Can you post a picture of her and in particular of her belly? Perhaps a full body one too? I would think if it was some sort of intestinal parasite that it would be a bit bloated or she would be very skinny.


I have SMZ TMP I can mail.. I am getting some together for another TSB member. If you want to pm me your addy I get it to you as fast as Columbus Day will let me.

The people here can dose it for you.

[Mommaluvy]

I looked on the internet for one of those antibiotics and I need a perscription. Do you know a place where I can buy them without a perscription? I'm just trying to hurry things up so I can cure her. I'm still going to see if I can bring in the poop to the vet.

Are you in a squirrel friendly state ? If so yes some vets will run a fecal for you . My vet did but it was neg. so she treated for symptoms. This worked but is a long story .


If you want to order it your going to want to order something called
Fish sulfa forte ( sulfamethoxazole Trimethoprim ) it's two medications combined. I CAN SEND YOU SOME OF THIS but .. I don't live near you so I am mail dependent :(

The Baycox would be faster cure if it is Coccidia .

And Panacure equine past is available OTC at places like tractor supply which may or may not be local to you. It kills regular worms like hook etc as well as giardia .

But don't administer till you get dosing from here.

[michaylab]

I am so glad I found this site. You guys are the nicest people I have ever talked to. Really you are. It's amazing how everyone works together and saves these squirrels lives. You are very good people! :)

[michaylab]

I just saw your reply. I don't think I live where it's legal but I'm pretty the vet would do it because it's a small area. I can buy it on online

[michaylab]

I just ordered some baycox

[ALittleNutty]

Sorry I had to sort of drop out from being on the board but we had relatives in from out of state and I wasn't able to get much internet access where they were. Once you get things firmed back up you need to start adding some heavy whipping cream (slowly) to baby's formula. Using the FV20/50 doesn't really supply all the fat and calories that flyers need.
This is what I am using for my Westyn
1/2 teaspoon Esbilac powder
1/2 teaspoon FV 20/50
2 teaspoons water
1 teaspoon cream (1/4 teaspoon 1st batch, 1/2 teaspoon 2nd, 3/4 teaspoon 3rd and full teaspoon for 4th batch).

[michaylab]

I understand! Okay I will start doing that. Thank you

[michaylab]

Someone on here gave the site bearededdragon to get the baycox and it's baycox liquid toltrazuril 2.5% Is this the right one?

[Mommaluvy]

Someone on here gave the site bearededdragon to get the baycox and it's baycox liquid toltrazuril 2.5% Is this the right one?

Yes. The only problem will be if they send it at a decent speed. Someone here had some customer service issues . But it's the right meds.

[michaylab]

Yes. The only problem will be if they send it at a decent speed. Someone here had some customer service issues . But it's the right meds.
I text a name jessica and told her I needed it priority mail. She is suppose to ship it Monday or Tuesday. Hopefully I get it soon without issues

[michaylab]

Okay so after a few feedings of giving her fox valley/whipping cream and plain water inbetween she had a big long pasty kind of golden color poop with hard chunks in it. Do you think she wasn't getting enough nutrition? I just read that 20/50 doesn't have enough protein for a flyer.

[Mommaluvy]

I have no idea. Did anyone get you the skulls number?

So you added cream to the fox valley? And that firmed things up?

[ALittleNutty]

I think you are headed in the right direction. Sounds like the issue was overseeing without enough nutrition. To figure how much to feed you can type in your search bar "5% of x grams". Just replace the x with the current weight and it will tell you ghost ow many cc's.

[michaylab]

Yes it did a little bit. She had one normal poop and we are back to white poop. I don't know if this is normal and I don't know how to explain this without a picture. On both sides by her gentails, it looks like she is swollen. Looks like a tube? One is more swollen than the other.
How do I get a picture to you?




I already know how much food to give her.

[michaylab]

No body gave my skulls number

[michaylab]

Bump

[farrelli]

I'll PM it in a minute. I have two, one is disconnected, so try both. One works.

[farrelli]

Sent.

[michaylab]

I got a hold of Mrs skul she said that flyers need 32/40 and I need to start her on solids.

[pixiepoo]

I got a hold of Mrs skul she said that flyers need 32/40 and I need to start her on solids.

Just wanted to mention that my squirrel's vet (Dr. Emerson) pointed out that the difference in protein and fat in the two FV formulas won't make much of a difference at all...so I am still thinking it may be a parasite (my bet is on Coccidia). I would also try adjusting to solids as suggested and keeping her hydrated. unless she isn't digesting the formula (perhaps a lactose allergy?) I would think parasites. Were you able to get a decal done? Did any of the meds arrive yet?

[Skul]

I would recommend switching to FV32/40, or the new Esbilac. Mix at 3 parts water to one of powder. Before feeding, add one part heavy cream and one part all natural yogurt, to three parts of prepared formula. Mix well, heat, mix again and feed. We've found that full fat vanilla yogurt (Dannons) is one...works well.
Weigh before then after feeding. You should see a one to two gram increase.
Next feeding, the before weight may or may not show the increase.