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SquirrelyDad
09-19-2014, 01:43 PM
Hello Everyone :grin2


Update on "Nikko" he was doing fine. Until someone had to overfeed him yesterday.
Ok this is the deal I have messed up somewhere on Wednesday night with the last entry on his weight. Therefore, Thursday (all day) I over fed him by to 2cc's.
This morning I found loose stools on the (white t-shirt) pooped during the night....idk?? Today he was at 120g before feeding him 9cc's. at 7:20am at 11:40am more diarrhea. I have not given anything to him yet. What do I do next? Besides not over feeding :tap.

island rehabber
09-19-2014, 01:47 PM
Don't panic. His next meal should be no more than 6-7 ccs. The following mealtime, stimulate him to poop before feeding him and see if poops have firmed up. If not, a drop of kaopectate is fine to use once....and then follow it with another feeding of no more than 6-7cc. Some babies can handle more than the 5-7% without having GI issues, but your little guy may not be one of them. :)

UDoWhat
09-19-2014, 01:58 PM
Hello Everyone :grin2


Update on "Nikko" he was doing fine. Until someone had to overfeed him yesterday.
Ok this is the deal I have messed up somewhere on Wednesday night with the last entry on his weight. Therefore, Thursday (all day) I over fed him by to 2cc's.
This morning I found loose stools on the (white t-shirt) pooped during the night....idk?? Today he was at 120g before feeding him 9cc's. at 7:20am at 11:40am more diarrhea. I have not given anything to him yet. What do I do next? Besides not over feeding :tap.

Boy oh boy.... Been there.... done that... Be sure that you keep him hydrated too since he is losing fluids. You can use pedialyte to hydrate him or the homemade hydration formula. Sorry... it may even take a day or two to clear up. :eek

SquirrelyDad
09-19-2014, 02:12 PM
Don't panic. His next meal should be no more than 6-7 ccs. The following mealtime, stimulate him to poop before feeding him and see if poops have firmed up. If not, a drop of kaopectate is fine to use once....and then follow it with another feeding of no more than 6-7cc. Some babies can handle more than the 5-7% without having GI issues, but your little guy may not be one of them. :)

Thank you, IR:glomp I started to panic because after posting he had more poop if you can call it poop it was more like yellow/watery mucus:yuck. I touched it to make sure it was still warm. Is that normal with diarrhea? Question: I don't have kaopectate I have peptobismol can I use that or not and how much? I'm feeding him every 5hrs. is that ok?

SquirrelyDad
09-19-2014, 02:21 PM
Boy oh boy.... Been there.... done that... Be sure that you keep him hydrated too since he is losing fluids. You can use pedialyte to hydrate him or the homemade hydration formula. Sorry... it may even take a day or two to clear up. :eek

Thanks, UDoWhat. I sure hope so......I will make my homemade pedialyte now for him. You know we get so in tuned trying to please them, when they love their formula, but we do more harm than good. I sure hope this clears its such a mess to clean them and washing clothing :eek.

SquirrelyDad
09-19-2014, 07:01 PM
:( I'm worried.......Nikko does not want to eat from his last feeding at 7:30am. I have tried feeding his formula twice today and he's not interested. All he does is chew on the silicone nipple. I force feed the home made pedialyte drops in his mouth, he took 2ccs. Can I use pepto for his diarrhea if so what dose? Is this something I should worry?? Also, he is not lethargic he is active when I take him out of bin he is in.

SammysMom
09-19-2014, 07:06 PM
Give more pedialyte. He may be dehydrated from the diarrhea. Don't panic, but remember that he likely has a tummy ache. Give no formula for a feeding, but do give pedialyte instead.

SquirrelyDad
09-19-2014, 07:21 PM
Give more pedialyte. He may be dehydrated from the diarrhea. Don't panic, but remember that he likely has a tummy ache. Give no formula for a feeding, but do give pedialyte instead.

Thank you, SammysMom!! So it's ok if he doesn't eat any formula for the rest of the day? He had 9cc's at 7:30 am and that's all. I'm going to give him the pedialyte all evening.
Hopefully, he will eat tomorrow morning.

CritterMom
09-19-2014, 07:57 PM
YES!! You absolutely can give him some Pepto. Give him a few drops and see what his poops look like in about 6 hours - if no improvement, you can give another couple drops.

It will make the poop black - don't freak out.

Try adding a teaspoon of sugar to a cup of water and heating fairly warm. The lethargy is from dehydration. You MUST hydrate as long as the diarrhea lasts.

Mommaluvy
09-19-2014, 08:16 PM
YES!! You absolutely can give him some Pepto. Give him a few drops and see what his poops look like in about 6 hours - if no improvement, you can give another couple drops.

It will make the poop black - don't freak out.

Try adding a teaspoon of sugar to a cup of water and heating fairly warm. The lethargy is from dehydration. You MUST hydrate as long as the diarrhea lasts.

Ditto. Esp if the runs are really watery .

The toothpaste white did not scare me . And in my limited experience ( i had diarrhea 101 this season) I would have said just cut down on the amount of cc the rest of the day . And that may have just been OVERFEEDING and take a day or two to resolve easy peasy.

But if he is lethargic he needs hydration as stated above.

So when did it turn all yellow watery ? After 11:30 ?

I hope it gets better soon. Keep his bum clean though.

And keep us posted.

SquirrelyDad
09-19-2014, 10:38 PM
YES!! You absolutely can give him some Pepto. Give him a few drops and see what his poops look like in about 6 hours - if no improvement, you can give another couple drops.

It will make the poop black - don't freak out.

Try adding a teaspoon of sugar to a cup of water and heating fairly warm. The lethargy is from dehydration. You MUST hydrate as long as the diarrhea lasts.

Thanks, CritterMom for the reply:grin2 I am about to give him pepto right now, was waiting for confirmation. Hopefully it will help him...poor thing. If I see the black poop, I'll know not to freak out.

SquirrelyDad
09-20-2014, 04:03 PM
HELP PLEASE!!

Update this morning at 7:30am Nikko was very hungry so he took 7cc's of pedialyte, he weights 122g his poops were brownish little watery. I just fed him 4cc's of formula but he lapped the milk from the point of the nipple drop by drop. The problem now is that I hear clicking when I held him by my ear and he is sneezing a lot also. Now I'm worried about pneumonia :sad this are the following meds I have in hand please advice what to give him and how much?

Bottle of Cipro 500mg. given on 5/1/13
Bottle of sulfameth/trimethoprim 800/160 (Bactrim)

his current weight is122grams

beezle-weezle
09-20-2014, 04:10 PM
Is the clicking coming from his mouth area or his chest area? Has he aspirated any formula?

SquirrelyDad
09-20-2014, 04:19 PM
Is the clicking coming from his mouth area or his chest area? Has he aspirated any formula?

Its coming from his mouth area. He aspirated a little Tuesday 9/16 I sucked the milk out of his nose that night but didn't hear any clicking the following days until today.

beezle-weezle
09-20-2014, 04:30 PM
Its coming from his mouth area. He aspirated a little Tuesday 9/16 I sucked the milk out of his nose that night but didn't hear any clicking the following days until today.

Just because he aspirated doesn't mean he will get pneumonia. Mine make little clicking noises all the time from their mouth. They especially do it after eating. The clicking of pneumonia comes from their chest and is the sound of trapped fluid in the lungs. For now I would keep an eye on him and see how he does as long as he doesn't seem lethargic.

SquirrelyDad
09-20-2014, 04:38 PM
Just because he aspirated doesn't mean he will get pneumonia. Mine make little clicking noises all the time from their mouth. They especially do it after eating. The clicking of pneumonia comes from their chest and is the sound of trapped fluid in the lungs. For now I would keep an eye on him and see how he does as long as he doesn't seem lethargic.

Thank you so much BW! I was getting worried, I will keep an eye on him. I appreciate all the help I can get for my little boy!

farrelli
09-21-2014, 02:05 AM
Make sure there's no lethargy or loss of appetite. If needed, the Cipro will work fine and many of us can dose it for you.

beezle-weezle
09-22-2014, 06:15 PM
How's Nikko doing? :grin3

SquirrelyDad
09-22-2014, 06:39 PM
Good Afternoon to all!! Here is an update on Nikko...

Saturday 9/20 (119g) dehydrated him during the day (w home made PL) gave 2drops of pepto. I read not to give him PL for more than 24hrs. He took formula @ 3pm 4cc's and 8pm 6cc's. No improvement on poop (brownish watery, slimy)

Sunday 9/21, (114g) 8a.m 6cc's, 2p.m 7cc's, 8p.m 7cc's of formula poop got better mushy(not too watery). Nikko takes about 1 to 2 cc's of PL after formula because he seems so hungry.

Monday 9/22 (113g) 7a.m 6cc's, 12p.m 7cc's of formula. He had diarrhea again (yellowish slimy and watery) around 3p.m today:eek. I gave him 4cc's of home made PL so far that's all he has taken. He runs and plays fine:grin2 I introduced him to the "katee" rodent block for now since he is nibbling on my fingers and the silicone nipple and everything. I'm waiting for the HHB to get here. Is there anything that I'm doing wrong or need improvement please any suggestions on his runny poop?? Can I give him 1-2 drops of pepto again? Thanks for this forum and any advice.

SquirrelyDad
09-22-2014, 06:44 PM
How's Nikko doing? :grin3

Hello BW:)
You beat me to the post, I just updated as of today. I'll be back to read any reply's I'm cooking.

CritterMom
09-22-2014, 06:48 PM
First, for the entire time he has diarrhea, he needs extra hydration. It does NOT have to be pedialyte - the reason folks don't want to use it past 24 hours is because it has a lot of salt in it. You can hydrate with plain water, or with a sugar water solution of 1 teaspoon sugar and a cup of water. Those are given warmed.

You can certainly give him more pepto. Just give small amounts and then wait to see what happens - we don't want to give him a bunch and then have the OPPOSITE problem with binding him up.

What formula are you feeding him?

SquirrelyDad
09-22-2014, 06:52 PM
Make sure there's no lethargy or loss of appetite. If needed, the Cipro will work fine and many of us can dose it for you.

Hi farrelli, thanks for your input. Nikko is doing ok....I guess. I was worried about "pneumonia" because I thought I heard clicking noises, but BW explained that some babies make noises after feeding. Thank God he is not lethargic or has lost his appetite as of today. It must be me who (messed up):shakehead and gave him the diarrhea for over feeding him last Thursday.

SammysMom
09-22-2014, 07:04 PM
No, the overfeeding would have gone away within a day or so. This is sounding like something else is going on. Are you feeding the powdered Esbilac with probiotics?

SquirrelyDad
09-22-2014, 07:05 PM
First, for the entire time he has diarrhea, he needs extra hydration. It does NOT have to be pedialyte - the reason folks don't want to use it past 24 hours is because it has a lot of salt in it. You can hydrate with plain water, or with a sugar water solution of 1 teaspoon sugar and a cup of water. Those are given warmed.

You can certainly give him more pepto. Just give small amounts and then wait to see what happens - we don't want to give him a bunch and then have the OPPOSITE problem with binding him up.

What formula are you feeding him?

Thank you CritterMom for your advice!!:grin2
I been feeding him the Esbilac with prebiotics & probiotics for a whole week. I'm mixing (1) powder to (2) warm water then put the 3cc syringes w/nipple inside a tall cup filled with hot water to keep them warm. I usually give him the warm sugar water after he takes his formula because he seems starving all the time. Ok I will give him pepto in a few minutes and wait and see for tomorrow's poopy day/night.

beezle-weezle
09-22-2014, 07:09 PM
Does his poop have a smell?

SquirrelyDad
09-22-2014, 07:14 PM
No, the overfeeding would have gone away within a day or so. This is sounding like something else is going on. Are you feeding the powdered Esbilac with probiotics?

Hi Gayle,:grin2
Oh please don't scare me......:( I don't want to even think about it if he has something else??
I been feeding him the Esbilac with prebiotics & probiotics for a whole week. I'm mixing (1) powder to (2) warm water then put the 3cc syringes w/nipple inside a tall cup filled with hot water to keep them warm ready to feed him every 5hrs. Is that ok? I will wait and see and keep you guys updated instead of hiding like I did in 2011. jk....I lost my user name and pw...so I'll keep my hubby's user name:grin3

SquirrelyDad
09-22-2014, 07:23 PM
Does his poop have a smell?

Ha ha ha...:grin3......I just ruined my husband's appetite. I don't have a good sense of smell so I got the watery poop :eek on my finger for my daughter to smell it (who is sleeping and didn't want to smell it:tap) so my husband took a sniff and I (it smells like normal poop doesn't have a dead stench to it ). Please don't tell me he has cuccodia or whatever??

SammysMom
09-22-2014, 07:25 PM
Is there any chance of getting a vet to do a fecal test on it? I don't think it is a really scary illness or anything, but there are a lot of parasites that cause diarrhea.

Milo's Mom
09-22-2014, 07:52 PM
Hi Gayle,:grin2
Oh please don't scare me......:( I don't want to even think about it if he has something else??
I been feeding him the Esbilac with prebiotics & probiotics for a whole week. I'm mixing (1) powder to (2) warm water then put the 3cc syringes w/nipple inside a tall cup filled with hot water to keep them warm ready to feed him every 5hrs. Is that ok? I will wait and see and keep you guys updated instead of hiding like I did in 2011. jk....I lost my user name and pw...so I'll keep my hubby's user name:grin3

Do you mean that you mix the formula, put it in a syringe, and store it in hot water all the time and then at feeding times you pull it out of the water and feed it?

Or are you explaining how you keep it warm while you're feeding? But during non-feeding times the formula is stored in the fridge.

SammysMom
09-22-2014, 07:57 PM
Also, are you making it up at night and letting it sit overnight for the next day? It needs to sit overnight to properly mix. You don't want to mix and use it right away.

SquirrelyDad
09-22-2014, 08:57 PM
Do you mean that you mix the formula, put it in a syringe, and store it in hot water all the time and then at feeding times you pull it out of the water and feed it?

Or are you explaining how you keep it warm while you're feeding? But during non-feeding times the formula is stored in the fridge.

Hi Milo's Mom,
Ok,..... this is what I do, sorry for the confusion:confused:. The Esbilac powder is always refrigerated all the time. I take a little container (Tupperware) add the powder with the (smallest measurement) then add the warm water (twice) mix it to dissolve it. Then I filled two (3ccs syringes) with the liquid (milk) insert the nipples to the syringes and to keep them warm the glass if full of warm/hot water and I place the syringes facing up while I get Nikko out of the bin to feed him. So the syringes are kept warm when I pull them out of the glass of warm water, I also use that same water to clean him afterwards. Basically I'm making small amounts just to feed every 5hrs. I think I'm okay doing it that way....right?

Milo's Mom
09-22-2014, 09:04 PM
So in other words you're mixing the formula and then immediately feeding it (or within a few minutes of mixing it), correct?

If so, no, do not do that.

Instead, mix a days worth of formula at a time and put it in the fridge.

For example: Tonight, mix the formula for all of the feedings for tomorrow and keep it in the fridge. Then when it's time to feed pull it out of the fridge, warm it and feed it, then put it back in the fridge till the next feeding. If you feel you are running short on formula as the day goes on, mix more right away and put it in the fridge (I usually notice I am running short at the end of a feeding so I make more and it then has at least 4 hours to "rest").

Does that make sense?

SquirrelyDad
09-22-2014, 09:04 PM
Is there any chance of getting a vet to do a fecal test on it? I don't think it is a really scary illness or anything, but there are a lot of parasites that cause diarrhea.

Hello again,

When I had "Squirreley" I tried asking 3 diff vets just to ask if they would ever see her when needed, they all said NO Why?...bla...bla...bla!!. I don't have any connections with any "friendly" vet that would see a squirrel here in Houston. Would a fecal test be needed or can we just treat him if needed?

Ace-the-squirrel
09-22-2014, 09:07 PM
Hello again,

When I had "Squirreley" I tried asking 3 diff vets just to ask if they would ever see her when needed, they all said NO Why?...bla...bla...bla!!. I don't have any connections with any "friendly" vet that would see a squirrel here in Houston. Would a fecal test be needed or can we just treat him if needed?I know what you mean about vets here in Houston...... :tap not much around!

SquirrelyDad
09-22-2014, 09:15 PM
So in other words you're mixing the formula and then immediately feeding it (or within a few minutes of mixing it), correct?

If so, no, do not do that.

Instead, mix a days worth of formula at a time and put it in the fridge.

For example: Tonight, mix the formula for all of the feedings for tomorrow and keep it in the fridge. Then when it's time to feed pull it out of the fridge, warm it and feed it, then put it back in the fridge till the next feeding. If you feel you are running short on formula as the day goes on, mix more right away and put it in the fridge (I usually notice I am running short at the end of a feeding so I make more and it then has at least 4 hours to "rest").

Does that make sense?

[B]PERFECT!! GOT IT.....:thumbsup Yes, I was mixing small amounts (4x a day) and feeding immediately. So now I will make a whole day worth of feeding formula (I wasn't sure it needed to "rest" for at least 4 hours. Thank you, Milo's Mom, I will make the formula needed tonight. Hopefully this will take care his diarrhea.

SquirrelyDad
09-22-2014, 09:31 PM
I know what you mean about vets here in Houston...... :tap not much around!

I wish I had a vet......just in case?? I had hopes for an avian vet in "Dickinson" since she saw my dove who has a birth deformity in one leg. After 3 office visits, I was going to ask her if by any chance if an emergency ever occur if she would see a "pet squirrel" but I didn't have the chance (she passed in May):sad. So I'm hoping someone on TSB can guide us if ever needed?

SquirrelyDad
09-22-2014, 09:46 PM
Also, are you making it up at night and letting it sit overnight for the next day? It needs to sit overnight to properly mix. You don't want to mix and use it right away.

Nope........I was doing it all WRONG!!!:nono Milo's Mom already gave me a correct lesson on how to prepare and store the formula. Sorry.....I forgot how to do it the right way. Thanks for all your expertise and experience guys:grin2!!

MollyBear361
09-22-2014, 10:06 PM
I have a vet in Victoria if you really need one. I know it's about an hour and half or two hours here depending on where you live in Houston. Just fyi. I don't know any vets in Houston that will see a squee.
This may be a dumb question bit can too much sugar water be the problem. Am I right you are giving sugar water after every feeding or was that for a short period of time?

SquirrelyDad
09-22-2014, 10:56 PM
I have a vet in Victoria if you really need one. I know it's about an hour and half or two hours here depending on where you live in Houston. Just fyi. I don't know any vets in Houston that will see a squee.
This may be a dumb question bit can too much sugar water be the problem. Am I right you are giving sugar water after every feeding or was that for a short period of time?

Hi MollyBear, I just started giving him the sugar water now that he has gel/watery like poop. He started with diarrhea Saturday noon so I started giving him home made PL. I was not mixing the formula correctly, so tomorrow the formula would "stand" long enough to make a change in his poop......I hope, being optimistic:). Thanks for the vet info:grin2!! I live close to Kemah, I'm not sure where Victoria is and how far it is, but I don't care how far I have to drive in case I needed a vet in order to get Nikko healthy.

MollyBear361
09-23-2014, 09:45 AM
Hope that works! I used to live in Seabrook. Victoria is south on 59 on your way to Corpus. :serene

SquirrelyDad
09-23-2014, 05:10 PM
Good Afternoon to all!! Here is an update on Nikko...

Saturday 9/20 (119g) dehydrated him during the day (w home made PL) gave 2drops of pepto. I read not to give him PL for more than 24hrs. He took formula @ 3pm 4cc's and 8pm 6cc's. No improvement on poop (brownish watery, slimy)

Sunday 9/21, (114g) 8a.m 6cc's, 2p.m 7cc's, 8p.m 7cc's of formula poop got better mushy(not too watery). Nikko takes about 1 to 2 cc's of PL after formula because he seems so hungry.

Monday 9/22 (113g) 7a.m 6cc's, 12p.m 7cc's of formula. He had diarrhea again (yellowish slimy and watery) around 3p.m today:eek. I gave him 4cc's of home made PL so far that's all he has taken. He runs and plays fine:grin2 I introduced him to the "katee" rodent block for now since he is nibbling on my fingers and the silicone nipple and everything. I'm waiting for the HHB to get here. Is there anything that I'm doing wrong or need improvement please any suggestions on his runny poop?? Can I give him 1-2 drops of pepto again? Thanks for this forum and any advice.

TUESDAY UPDATE:

(117g) before any feeding so far this is all I have given him today: 6:35am 7cc's formula "corrected way" 11:10am 2cc's water, 11:45am 6cc's formula, 3:30pm 3cc's water. He continues with watery/gel "mucus" brownish poop. When I change the white t-shirt on the poop side with a clean one, I usually check the consistency of his diarrhea.
He has not lost his appetite and is not lethargic so far. I usually dehydrate him after I see the diarrhea. Should I continue what I am doing so far?? I took a pic of his poop just in case I need to posted??

Milo's Mom
09-23-2014, 05:14 PM
yes please post a pic of the poop:thumbsup

Nancy in New York
09-23-2014, 05:17 PM
TUESDAY UPDATE:

I usually dehydrate him after I see the diarrhea.

Oppps I think you meant that you hydrate him if you see diarrhea. :)
Edit: Sorry so many threads going on, what are you hydrating with?

SquirrelyDad
09-23-2014, 05:24 PM
Oppps I think you meant that you hydrate him if you see diarrhea. :)
Edit: Sorry so many threads going on, what are you hydrating with?

:grin2 ha ha...... yes I mean hydrate......Nancy.

SquirrelyDad
09-23-2014, 05:25 PM
yes please post a pic of the poop:thumbsup

Oh ok will post in a few minutes...and please tell me what you guys think??? Thanks

SquirrelyDad
09-23-2014, 05:41 PM
Ok this was taken about 3pm today. It's brown looking but when I smear it on my finger its all mucus??? What do you guys think??

SquirrelyDad
09-23-2014, 08:44 PM
Oppps I think you meant that you hydrate him if you see diarrhea. :)
Edit: Sorry so many threads going on, what are you hydrating with?

I noticed the board has been busy with little ones that are in dire need of help. I'm hydrating him with home made PL after I see the diarrhea in his bin.
Nancy, can you answer me this one question? How many days perhaps a baby squirrel can endure diarrhea (with reg. feedings of formula and 2hrs. later PL) before he goes on a downhill spiral?

Nancy in New York
09-23-2014, 08:51 PM
I noticed the board has been busy with little ones that are in dire need of help. I'm hydrating him with home made PL after I see the diarrhea in his bin.
Nancy, can you answer me this one question? How many days perhaps a baby squirrel can endure diarrhea (with reg. feedings of formula and 2hrs. later PL) before he goes on a downhill spiral?

Yes, I absolutely will be on in about 15 minutes, I promise your post will be the first I come to.
I have to help hubby with a small project............of mine. :)

SquirrelyDad
09-23-2014, 09:27 PM
Yes, I absolutely will be on in about 15 minutes, I promise your post will be the first I come to.
I have to help hubby with a small project............of mine. :)

No problem:thumbsup I'm doing my hubby his lunch for tomo. Be back in 15 min. also

Nancy in New York
09-23-2014, 09:50 PM
I just did a fast read through your thread again. What he appears to have is almost like a soft mucusy looking stool, correct? Meaning that it is not watery.
When was the last time he had formed poops?
How often are you giving the Pedialyte?
How often does he poop like this per day?
I see that you changed the Esbilac so that you are letting it sit before feeding, correct?
This is all over the board, in fact we have talked about it in triage.
There seems to be a lot of cases of this on the board, and while something may work
for one, it may not necessarily work for another.
You want to know how long until he could spiral down.
Is he gaining weight daily?
Does he seem lethargic?
Is he eating eagerly?
Does his tummy get bloated?
Does the stool have an odor to it?

I know you may have posted these answers, but there are so many needing help, and I am reading so much,
and while I just did a fast recap, I don't remember the answers to these questions.

It does give me reason to question what the heck is going on, and if there may be a problem with the formula. :thinking

Did he ever have nice formed poops, and if so, was he eating the same formula.
Have you recently purchased new formula, meaning is this a new batch?

Nancy in New York
09-23-2014, 10:24 PM
I almost forgot to tell you.....
why don't you order some dia stat.
Its specifically made to help with diarrhea.

http://www.henryspets.com/search.php?search_query=dia+stat&x=16&y=10

SugarBugFerret
09-23-2014, 10:25 PM
I live close to Kemah, I'm not sure where Victoria is and how far it is, but I don't care how far I have to drive in case I needed a vet in order to get Nikko healthy.

I know of a vet north of Houston who I am told sees squees on a regular basis. I will PM you the info. I think it would at least be worth a phone call.

SquirrelyDad
09-23-2014, 10:50 PM
I just did a fast read through your thread again. What he appears to have is almost like a soft mucusy looking stool, correct? Meaning that it is not watery.

Yes, Its brownish gel looking.
When was the last time he had formed poops?

I found him Sunday 9/14 6-7wk at 96grams. He always had soft toothpaste yellowish poop...no pellets yet?
How often are you giving the Pedialyte?

I give him 2-3 hrs after his formula when I see he had pooped
How often does he poop like this per day?

3-4 time a day since last Friday.
I see that you changed the Esbilac so that you are letting it sit before feeding, correct?

Yes, for a whole week I was doing it all wrong. Today he had the correct over the night formula.
This is all over the board, in fact we have talked about it in triage.
There seems to be a lot of cases of this on the board, and while something may work
for one, it may not necessarily work for another.
You want to know how long until he could spiral down.
Is he gaining weight daily?

First thing in the mornings I weigh him and log it. This morning we was at 117g.
Does he seem lethargic?

No, when I take him out he plays.
Is he eating eagerly?

Yes, he is very hungry after I feed him the 6% of his weight.
Does his tummy get bloated?

No bloating only full tummy.
Does the stool have an odor to it?

I know you may have posted these answers, but there are so many needing help, and I am reading so much,
and while I just did a fast recap, I don't remember the answers to these questions.

I know and I hope I don't confuse your with my answers. I really appreciate your help!! I just don't want him to get worse.

It does give me reason to question what the heck is going on, and if there may be a problem with the formula.

Did he ever have nice formed poops, and if so, was he eating the same formula.

I don't think I've seen nice formed poops from him yet.
Have you recently purchased new formula, meaning is this a new batch?

I purchased the powder formula on Sunday 9/14 and it's 3/4 full.

SquirrelyDad
09-23-2014, 10:53 PM
I almost forgot to tell you.....
why don't you order some dia stat.
Its specifically made to help with diarrhea.

http://www.henryspets.com/search.php?search_query=dia+stat&x=16&y=10

Thanks again Nancy, I read somewhere about "dia stat" I thought it was vet meds. I will order it from Henry'spet now.

SquirrelyDad
09-23-2014, 11:03 PM
I know of a vet north of Houston who I am told sees squees on a regular basis. I will PM you the info. I think it would at least be worth a phone call.

THANK YOU, SO MUCH!!:glomp: SugarBugFerret
I'm willing to drive and pay for any vet that would see squees. Just didn't know one, MollyBear also told me about someone. Will call first thing tomorrow morning.

Nancy in New York
09-24-2014, 08:53 AM
OK just one little suggestion on the new formula can.
Shake it up best you can, just by turning it several times.
I read a few places that it's suggested to do that, since sometimes
different ingredients tend to settle. :dono, With 3/4 of a can, it should
be fairly easy to do. I once had a whole can that I dumped into a large
bowl and gently whisked through it. Not sure if any of that is even necessary,
but it couldn't hurt. :)

SquirrelyDad
09-24-2014, 01:44 PM
Hi Everyone,

UPDATE TODAY: Nikko still has diarrhea :( (yellowish bubbly) and farting?? Didn't know squees fart? I'm hydrating in between feedings with home made PL.
I have good news..... :grin3 He's going to the vet tomorrow @ 4pm. Thanks to "SugarBugFerret" for the connection!! Here is a pic of him now.

Mommaluvy
09-24-2014, 02:23 PM
Good news on the vet Ask him to run a fecal .

He looks good. but...

My squirrels with the runs ... two never got lethargic. One never did either but was pooping blood. One went two weeks before crashing and nearly dying. ( the meds worked for three of them... did not work on the other ) It was really touch and go with him for another week while trying yet a new protozoa medication. He has been well now for 10/11 days.

But it can happen fast. No one can tell you for certain how long till he crashes. But so happy you are getting him to a vet.

CritterMom
09-24-2014, 02:43 PM
A big part of "crashing" is from dehydration. I know I drive everyone nuts with this but it is the difference between life and death, literally. AS LONG AS THE DIARRHEA HAPPENS, THEY NEED TO BE HYDRATED MULTIPLE TIMES DAILY preferably with plain old water, or water with a tiny bit of sugar if they completely refuse.

If the vet suggests a drug called Albon, can you tell him or her that the Albon is not working on coccidia in squirrels any more - they may as well not take meds. The vet can follow a similar line of treatment with a drug called SMZ-TMP which is a drug almost exactly like the Albon mixed with another, stronger drug.

SquirrelyDad
09-24-2014, 03:29 PM
A big part of "crashing" is from dehydration. I know I drive everyone nuts with this but it is the difference between life and death, literally. AS LONG AS THE DIARRHEA HAPPENS, THEY NEED TO BE HYDRATED MULTIPLE TIMES DAILY preferably with plain old water, or water with a tiny bit of sugar if they completely refuse.

If the vet suggests a drug called Albon, can you tell him or her that the Albon is not working on coccidia in squirrels any more - they may as well not take meds. The vet can follow a similar line of treatment with a drug called SMZ-TMP which is a drug almost exactly like the Albon mixed with another, stronger drug.

I'm hydrating him constantly. He does refuse plain old water, so I trick him with 3cc's of water w/tiny bit of sugar and the next syringe is plain water. Will ask vet about "Albon" and keep you posted.

SquirrelyDad
09-24-2014, 03:30 PM
Good news on the vet Ask him to run a fecal .

He looks good. but...

My squirrels with the runs ... two never got lethargic. One never did either but was pooping blood. One went two weeks before crashing and nearly dying. ( the meds worked for three of them... did not work on the other ) It was really touch and go with him for another week while trying yet a new protozoa medication. He has been well now for 10/11 days.

But it can happen fast. No one can tell you for certain how long till he crashes. But so happy you are getting him to a vet.

Thanks, for your input....... Mommaluvy.

Mommaluvy
09-24-2014, 03:31 PM
Ditto to everything Critter mom said.. IMO she saved my Chyrso by helping me with meds and the hydration. Chryso would NOT be her today .

WATER WATER WATER... And remember... he may not want the water at first because when your dehydrated you don't want to drink. but you must.. drop by drop.

CritterMom
09-24-2014, 03:46 PM
I'm hydrating him constantly. He does refuse plain old water, so I trick him with 3cc's of water w/tiny bit of sugar and the next syringe is plain water. Will ask vet about "Albon" and keep you posted.

I hope you understand - I am suggesting that if they give you Albon that you refuse it and ask for the SMZ-TMP. If they suspect coccidia, an even better drug is a Bayer drug called Baycox but unless they are large animal vets they may not have it.

Albon is one of the old "tried and true" drugs for this and is frequently what they will reach for, but the bugs have become resistant to it.

SquirrelyDad
09-24-2014, 03:52 PM
I HAVE A QUESTION BEFORE I GO AND BUY THIS?

I just got a call from a lady "Anisa" who works at our "vet" who told us they (can't) don't see squirrels yesterday. Anisa has raised several squirrels according to her, and this is what she told me to do. I wanted to run it by TSB to see if its ok? Or should I just continue with the formula every 5hrs. and hydration (in between feedings). Please advice.....

To buy a can of 100% pumpkin not the pie filling and Dannon plain yogurt for (good bacteria) and mix it with his formula. She told me not to make it to thick but the consistency of nectar juice (not to thick/thin). He is going to the vet tomorrow. I'm asking first because I don't want to mess things up.

SquirrelyDad
09-24-2014, 03:56 PM
I hope you understand - I am suggesting that if they give you Albon that you refuse it and ask for the SMZ-TMP. If they suspect coccidia, an even better drug is a Bayer drug called Baycox but unless they are large animal vets they may not have it.

Albon is one of the old "tried and true" drugs for this and is frequently what they will reach for, but the bugs have become resistant to it.

What is SMZ-TMP??

lennysmom
09-24-2014, 04:00 PM
What is SMZ-TMP??

It is another medication commonly used to treat coccidia, among other things, and it's my understating that it works better for coccidia then Albon, although slower acting then the Baycox.

SquirrelyDad
09-24-2014, 04:05 PM
It is another medication commonly used to treat coccidia, among other things, and it's my understating that it works better for coccidia then Albon, although slower acting then the Baycox.

Does SMZ-TMP mean Sulfameth/Trimethorprim. Which I have an old bottle, just want to make sure?

MollyBear361
09-24-2014, 04:06 PM
Sulfamethoxazole/Trimethoprim if you want to look it up.

TubeDriver
09-24-2014, 04:07 PM
Does SMZ-TMP mean Sulfameth/Trimethorprim. Which I have an old bottle, just want to make sure?

Yes, it is two ABs in one pill.

SquirrelyDad
09-24-2014, 04:10 PM
Yes, it is two ABs in one pill.

Oh ok.....thanks!

beezle-weezle
09-24-2014, 05:38 PM
I HAVE A QUESTION BEFORE I GO AND BUY THIS?

I just got a call from a lady "Anisa" who works at our "vet" who told us they (can't) don't see squirrels yesterday. Anisa has raised several squirrels according to her, and this is what she told me to do. I wanted to run it by TSB to see if its ok? Or should I just continue with the formula every 5hrs. and hydration (in between feedings). Please advice.....

To buy a can of 100% pumpkin not the pie filling and Dannon plain yogurt for (good bacteria) and mix it with his formula. She told me not to make it to thick but the consistency of nectar juice (not to thick/thin). He is going to the vet tomorrow. I'm asking first because I don't want to mess things up.

I have one with diarrhea and I am using pumpkin to firm up her poops until meds arrive tomorrow. Her little bum needed a break from the runs and the pumpkin has worked wonders. It IS NOT a cure just something to help their little systems out until meds kick in.

SquirrelyDad
09-24-2014, 06:38 PM
I have one with diarrhea and I am using pumpkin to firm up her poops until meds arrive tomorrow. Her little bum needed a break from the runs and the pumpkin has worked wonders. It IS NOT a cure just something to help their little systems out until meds kick in.

Thanks BW, now that I got a confirmation I will give him that on his next feeding.
Should I also add the yogurt to the mix or just the pumpkin? How do you make yours?

Mommaluvy
09-24-2014, 08:43 PM
Personally i would hold back the yogurt due to fat content. May make the runs worse.

Maybe they make nonfat ?

But you can also use a human grade probiotic in a capsule. Just a pinch or so to the pumpkin your adding . That way you get the good bactria ans no fat worries :)

SquirrelyDad
09-24-2014, 09:10 PM
Personally i would hold back the yogurt due to fat content. May make the runs worse.

Maybe they make nonfat ?

But you can also use a human grade probiotic in a capsule. Just a pinch or so to the pumpkin your adding . That way you get the good bactria ans no fat worries :)

Oh damm it!!:tap
I bought "CHOBANI" Greek non-fat plain yogurt and have already mix it with the pumpkin. I used the smallest measurement spoon from the Esbilac trying to measure it not too thick or to watery (with formula already made). I hope I don't make his runs worse. I'll keep the yogurt because I have read on diff forums when you use AB's I might need it for later.

Mommaluvy
09-24-2014, 10:56 PM
Oh damm it!!:tap
I bought "CHOBANI" Greek non-fat plain yogurt and have already mix it with the pumpkin. I used the smallest measurement spoon from the Esbilac trying to measure it not too thick or to watery (with formula already made). I hope I don't make his runs worse. I'll keep the yogurt because I have read on diff forums when you use AB's I might need it for later.

You say above Its non fat . Don't worry about it. :)

SquirrelyDad
09-26-2014, 01:03 AM
Ok........ so we took Nikko to the vet.....and got him traumatized poor thing:squirrel3 running and jumping trying to get away.
The vet took a "fecal exam" and came back negative for parasites, but she said "I'm giving you something for his diarrhea" she gave me the instructions and a syringe to show me the quantity to give him. She also mentioned that his diarrhea is also caused because I'm not feeding him any solids food at his age. So I guess I should start giving (block & veggies) more often instead of only Esbilac??

She gave me a bottle of Albon5% oral suspension. She said to give him 0.1ml once daily for 14 days.
This is my confusion, I thought the above med. is for Coccidia? Is Albon an antibiotic? Do I give him the medicine as prescribed if the fecal exam was negative?

SammysMom
09-26-2014, 02:26 AM
PM me your nsme and address. Coccidia is very often present even with a negative fecal. Albon is no longer working on coccidua. I have smz/tmp.

CritterMom
09-26-2014, 05:15 AM
God, this is JUST what I knew was going to happen - why are vets still giving this stuff? Please take the offer to get the SMZ-TMP!

lilidukes
09-26-2014, 06:01 AM
Just been lurking your getting great advise:thumbsup

Yogurt works as a probiotic keeps the tummy flora more
even. Yogurt also helps the body absorb more nutrients
from foods. Yogurt fat content really isn't that important.

It very seldom is the cause of any GI distress.


It's taken me years to find vets that will talk with me like
I have any sense. I've spoken to way to many that don't
like that I know more about squirrels than they do.
Be thankful you've got a vet that will treat a squirrel
perhaps in time we can train her too:grin3

SquirrelyDad
09-26-2014, 10:20 AM
PM me your nsme and address. Coccidia is very often present even with a negative fecal. Albon is no longer working on coccidua. I have smz/tmp.

:thankyou SammysMom I will PM you my info.

SquirrelyDad
09-26-2014, 10:26 AM
God, this is JUST what I knew was going to happen - why are vets still giving this stuff? Please take the offer to get the SMZ-TMP!

QUESTION: CritterMom
Should I wait for the SMZ-TMP from SammysMom to give it to him or give him the Albon in the meantime??

SquirrelyDad
09-26-2014, 10:41 AM
Just been lurking your getting great advise:thumbsup

Yogurt works as a probiotic keeps the tummy flora more
even. Yogurt also helps the body absorb more nutrients
from foods. Yogurt fat content really isn't that important.

It very seldom is the cause of any GI distress.


It's taken me years to find vets that will talk with me like
I have any sense. I've spoken to way to many that don't
like that I know more about squirrels than they do.
Be thankful you've got a vet that will treat a squirrel
perhaps in time we can train her too:grin3


Good morning lilidukes:grin2 and yes I'm very thankful that I have a vet now.....just in case. My husband was a little upset :argue because he's like ......."we took him to the vet, give him his medicine, she is the vet" so I told him I know! But TSB has more experience in squirrels.....:grin3

CritterMom
09-26-2014, 12:34 PM
Start him on the Albon. It may help a little, and the SMZ-TMP is basicaqlly Albon mixed with another med, so you won't have ANY problems switching.

SquirrelyDad
09-26-2014, 01:08 PM
Start him on the Albon. It may help a little, and the SMZ-TMP is basicaqlly Albon mixed with another med, so you won't have ANY problems switching.

:thumbsup Ok thanks!

SquirrelyDad
09-29-2014, 10:02 PM
UPDATE: No more diarrhea for Nikko:grin3

:grouphugThanks to everyone for helping me thru this diarrhea crisis....LOVE YOU ALL!!:grouphug

He's been on Albon since last Thursday, still waiting for Sammy'sMom new med to arrive. Not sure if I should continue treatment if poop is not watery or mucus looking?
The treatment was given to him for 14 days until (10/9).

Nikko's Diet:
His weight this morning was: 142g
He takes 9cc's 3 times a day (trying to wean him little by little) he loves formula.
He eats 1 HHblock in the morning and has a dish of 2-3 "Kaytee" rodent blocks. Will start introducing healthy veggies and fruit as he's not too interested in them now.
Any advice or changes that I need to make, please let me know.

CritterMom
09-30-2014, 05:28 AM
That is fantastic - yay! I would keep him on the med for at least a week - you don't want him to backslide!

Mommaluvy
09-30-2014, 11:38 AM
Yes continue . Ditto to Critter mom.

Am I to understand his poop is firming up? Is this with pumpkin or just the albon? Or both? And are we talking hard pellets? Or just formed stools ? How many days has he been on the albon? ( sorry.. Been away with my paralized doggie)

I had 4 on albon.. It fixed 3 of them. SMZ TMP was needed for the fourth.

If I had it to do over again I would have gone straight to the Baycox. I will get some for next year! But like you my vet did the albon first.

SquirrelyDad
09-30-2014, 04:35 PM
That is fantastic - yay! I would keep him on the med for at least a week - you don't want him to backslide!

:thumbsup Ok will do!!

SquirrelyDad
09-30-2014, 04:53 PM
Yes continue . Ditto to Critter mom.

Am I to understand his poop is firming up? Is this with pumpkin or just the albon? Or both? And are we talking hard pellets? Or just formed stools ? How many days has he been on the albon? ( sorry.. Been away with my paralized doggie)

I had 4 on albon.. It fixed 3 of them. SMZ TMP was needed for the fourth.

If I had it to do over again I would have gone straight to the Baycox. I will get some for next year! But like you my vet did the albon first.

Hello Mommaluvy:

His poop started taking form over the weekend, and for two days he is pooping pellets....yay! I think the Albon and the rodent block did the trick? He has been on it for six days already. When I gave him the pumpkin for the first time, his tummy didn't take it so well. He usually sleeps the whole night, but the night I gave him (fomula mixed with pumpkin & yogurt) he woke me up several times during the night, so I decided not to give it to him anymore. Thanks for all advice given.