Awful diarrhea :(

[lennysmom]

My two little rescues I took in this weekend (Mogi and Demi) have both developed awful diarrhea over the past couple of days. I posted about the situation on their thread in the nursery, but since the problem has gotten so much worse I decided that I needed to put it in this section as well.

http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?47603-Sweet-little-blessings-Mogi-and-Demi&highlight=

Mogi started out with it and so I switched him to the GM formula over 48 hours ago, and if anything the diarrhea has only gotten worse. :(
Every time I get them out to feed them they have diarrhea all over them and their bedding.

Demi was doing great up until yesterday evening and she developed diarrhea as well. I now have them both on the GM formula. They were previously on the Esbslic with probiotics.
I was trying to get them to take some sugar water, but they both out rightly refused it. I did manage to get about 3cc of pedyalite in them both just now, but it was a fight all the way.
It was suggested to me to get infant Imodium, but I couldn't find it at the store.

Their stool has went from mustard like consistency to bubbly and watery in the past 12 hours. It doesn't seem to have any distinct odor.

I have the Diastat ordered and I'm really hoping it will be here tomorrow. At this point I am really thinking that it is some sort of parasite issue, although I suppose it could be bacterial as well. I'm really at a loss here as to what to do next.
I do still have the Baycox from when Lenny was sick, although I have no clue how to dose these little ones. I think I may also have some Panacur, I'll have to check -and possibly even some Flagyl.

It seems keeping them hydrated is going to be an uphill battle and I am very concerned about them getting dehydrated - any suggestions here would be greatly appreciated.

[Mommaluvy]

Well if you need SmZ tmp I'm your woman :)

But it sounds like you have everything else. I feel your pain.

[lennysmom]

Well, after an inventory check, I only have a 1/4 tablet of the Flagyl left and a very small amount of the Panacur - maybe only like .5cc :(
For some reason, I thought I had more.

[lennysmom]

Well if you need SmZ tmp I'm your woman :)

But it sounds like you have everything else. I feel your pain.

Oh, thank you for the generous offer ML :) - to be honest, I'm not sure what I need at this point.
Yeah, I saw where you went through all this yourself. If the meds helped your little one, maybe it would help Mogi and Demi? :dono

[nuttysquirrels]

Well, after an inventory check, I only have a 1/4 tablet of the Flagyl left and a very small amount of the Panacur - maybe only like .5cc :(
For some reason, I thought I had more.

Awe poor babies,, do your best keeping them hydrated,, Im sure they will turn around :),, have u tried adding some organic live culture yogurt to their mix? Wen my boy had bad diarrhea when he was like 3 weeks old yogurt seemed to do him wonders! His poo went back to normal not long after

[lennysmom]

Well if you need SmZ tmp I'm your woman :)

But it sounds like you have everything else. I feel your pain.

Actually, I just remembered I do have some SMZ TMP that Nancy sent me awhile back when Lenny was so sick. I'm hoping it will help.

[lukaslolamaus]

Poor babies :Love_Icon please get feeling better:hug

[island rehabber]

USE THE BAYCOX. Sounds like coccidia and the SMZ is useless. Baycox! :thumbsup

[lennysmom]

Awe poor babies,, do your best keeping them hydrated,, Im sure they will turn around :),, have u tried adding some organic live culture yogurt to their mix? Wen my boy had bad diarrhea when he was like 3 weeks old yogurt seemed to do him wonders! His poo went back to normal not long after

Yes, I have yogurt - I mix it in their formula. I also have Benebac gel I can use too. Don't know how much it will help with this, but it certainly couldn't hurt.

[lennysmom]

USE THE BAYCOX. Sounds like coccidia and the SMZ is useless. Baycox! :thumbsup

Does coccidia always make their poo stink? I know you have dealt with your fair share of it in the past.

[SammysMom]

Would a local vet do a fecal test?:hug

[lennysmom]

Would a local vet do a fecal test?:hug

I might possibly have a connection here - I will have to find out. I'm assuming they will test runny diarrhea?

[Milo's Mom]

9 out of 10 fecals for coccidia come back negative....just something to keep in mind.

No coccidia does not always stink. DoDa's stank, but the Great Grand Babies smelled sweet.

[CritterMom]

I would give them the baycox.

Which concentration did you get for Lenny? The site has dosing and treatment info - this is for the 2.5%:

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Quick Dose Calculation Chart Included

Shelf life is approximately 2 years when unflavored. Use within 6 months if flavoring is added. Flavoring contains propylene glycol and stevia.

2.5% Toltrazuril Dose Chart
Contains 2.5% Toltrazuril at 25mg/mL. To calculate proper dosage, multiply animals weight in kg (grams x .001) X dosage (20mg) in mg/kg, then divide by concentration of 25 mg/mL.
(((gm x .001)x20)\25)
25mg/mL dosed at @ 20mg/kg
Weight Grams Dose cc/mL Treatment Schedule 1
10 0.01 Give one dose of 20mg/kg orally
15 0.01 every 24 hours for 1 or 2 days, give fecal exam.
20 0.02
25 0.02 Treatment Schedule 2 - Very High Counts
30 0.02 Give one dose of 20mg/kg per day for three days
35 0.03 give fecal exam, repeat in 1 week if necessary
40 0.03
45 0.04 it is always good practice to give extra fluids when on any medication and to replenish good bacteria with probiotics daily.
50 0.04
55 0.04
60 0.05
65 0.05
70 0.06
75 0.06 To preven reinfestation of coccidia, always maintain a clean environment.
80 0.06
85 0.07 Remove feces as soon as possible
90 0.07 Clean enclosure and contents by soaking in 10% bleach
95 0.08 for 15 minutes and baking in oven 200º for 10 minutes
100 0.08 Keep dragon on paper towels or newspaper, change daily
105 0.08 Do not feed insects where feces is present
110 0.09 Never feed live insects that have been left in a cage
115 0.09 Dispose of all insects that have been near feces
120 0.10
125 0.10
130 0.10 Coccidia
135 0.11 Coccidia is spread by ingestion of feces or infected tissue
140 0.11 A healthy immune system will keep coccidia levels low

Coccidia are intercellular parasites which live and grow within the cell lining of the intestinal tract. They enter the cells of the intestine, then destroy them while releasing thousands of spores to invade even more cells.
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And this is for the 5%, also lifted directly from Bearded Dragon:

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No Longer Sold per milliliter, sorry if we caused any confusion.
Dosage is .04 mL per 100g of body weight, so 1mL is 5 doses for a 500g reptile or 10 doses for a 250g reptile

Baycox Liquid Toltrazuril that is known to treat coccidia with one or two doses! This is a revolutionary product that is safer and more effective than Albon without being as harsh on the system. The chemical structure is very similar to Ponazuril, which is a metabolite of Toltrazuril. Toltrazuril is about 50% absorbed after oral administation then highest concentrations are found in the liver where it is rapidly metabolized into the sulfone derivative Ponazuril. Doses up to 10x have been found to have no adverse affect in horses and 5x in poultry have been well tolerated. Toltrazuril has activity against many different types of coccidia at all stages.

Comes with easy dose tip and a 1cc oral dosing syringe.

The suspension has almost no flavor and taste like slightly sweet water. It is also thin enough to inject into bugs with a needle syringe.

Dosage is 20mg/kg Strength is 5% or 50mg / mL so you would give .04cc per 100g of body weight

[island rehabber]

9 out of 10 fecals for coccidia come back negative....just something to keep in mind.

No coccidia does not always stink. DoDa's stank, but the Great Grand Babies smelled sweet.

MM is right: what took me so long (smacks head) to realize that five of mine had cox last summer is that they were NOT stinky. The bubbly, yellowish grossness they were pooping was a dead giveaway, however.....:shakehead

[lennysmom]

9 out of 10 fecals for coccidia come back negative....just something to keep in mind.

No coccidia does not always stink. DoDa's stank, but the Great Grand Babies smelled sweet.

Ok MM, thanks for the info. How old were your babies that you dosed with Baycox?

[Milo's Mom]

I don't remember how old DoDa was...maybe 5-7 weeks. Actually I think he was 5 weeks when I started treating him, but when I finally found out about Baycox he was closer to 7, maybe 8 weeks.

The Great Grand Babies were approx. 6 weeks for the first dose and 7 for the last. I can go back and look at my notes to get a more exact date. But my shower is running and waiting for me right now....

[lennysmom]

I don't remember how old DoDa was...maybe 5-7 weeks. Actually I think he was 5 weeks when I started treating him, but when I finally found out about Baycox he was closer to 7, maybe 8 weeks.

The Great Grand Babies were approx. 6 weeks for the first dose and 7 for the last. I can go back and look at my notes to get a more exact date. But my shower is running and waiting for me right now....

Ok, thanks. I was just wondering as I always get a little nervous dosing ones so small with any meds.

[lennysmom]

I would give them the baycox.

Which concentration did you get for Lenny? The site has dosing and treatment info - this is for the 2.5%:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Quick Dose Calculation Chart Included

Shelf life is approximately 2 years when unflavored. Use within 6 months if flavoring is added. Flavoring contains propylene glycol and stevia.

2.5% Toltrazuril Dose Chart
Contains 2.5% Toltrazuril at 25mg/mL. To calculate proper dosage, multiply animals weight in kg (grams x .001) X dosage (20mg) in mg/kg, then divide by concentration of 25 mg/mL.
(((gm x .001)x20)\25)
25mg/mL dosed at @ 20mg/kg
Weight Grams Dose cc/mL Treatment Schedule 1
10 0.01 Give one dose of 20mg/kg orally
15 0.01 every 24 hours for 1 or 2 days, give fecal exam.
20 0.02
25 0.02 Treatment Schedule 2 - Very High Counts
30 0.02 Give one dose of 20mg/kg per day for three days
35 0.03 give fecal exam, repeat in 1 week if necessary
40 0.03
45 0.04 it is always good practice to give extra fluids when on any medication and to replenish good bacteria with probiotics daily.
50 0.04
55 0.04
60 0.05
65 0.05
70 0.06
75 0.06 To preven reinfestation of coccidia, always maintain a clean environment.
80 0.06
85 0.07 Remove feces as soon as possible
90 0.07 Clean enclosure and contents by soaking in 10% bleach
95 0.08 for 15 minutes and baking in oven 200º for 10 minutes
100 0.08 Keep dragon on paper towels or newspaper, change daily
105 0.08 Do not feed insects where feces is present
110 0.09 Never feed live insects that have been left in a cage
115 0.09 Dispose of all insects that have been near feces
120 0.10
125 0.10
130 0.10 Coccidia
135 0.11 Coccidia is spread by ingestion of feces or infected tissue
140 0.11 A healthy immune system will keep coccidia levels low

Coccidia are intercellular parasites which live and grow within the cell lining of the intestinal tract. They enter the cells of the intestine, then destroy them while releasing thousands of spores to invade even more cells.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

And this is for the 5%, also lifted directly from Bearded Dragon:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

No Longer Sold per milliliter, sorry if we caused any confusion.
Dosage is .04 mL per 100g of body weight, so 1mL is 5 doses for a 500g reptile or 10 doses for a 250g reptile

Baycox Liquid Toltrazuril that is known to treat coccidia with one or two doses! This is a revolutionary product that is safer and more effective than Albon without being as harsh on the system. The chemical structure is very similar to Ponazuril, which is a metabolite of Toltrazuril. Toltrazuril is about 50% absorbed after oral administation then highest concentrations are found in the liver where it is rapidly metabolized into the sulfone derivative Ponazuril. Doses up to 10x have been found to have no adverse affect in horses and 5x in poultry have been well tolerated. Toltrazuril has activity against many different types of coccidia at all stages.

Comes with easy dose tip and a 1cc oral dosing syringe.

The suspension has almost no flavor and taste like slightly sweet water. It is also thin enough to inject into bugs with a needle syringe.

Dosage is 20mg/kg Strength is 5% or 50mg / mL so you would give .04cc per 100g of body weight

Oh no... I did have flavoring added to the ones I have here. I'm trying my best to remember when I ordered it for Lenny. Lack of sleep is not doing my mind any favors. :( I will go back and look on his thread.
Thanks for the chart and the info though C M :)

[lennysmom]

Also, I am feeding diluted GM formula with forced Pedyalite in between for the last couple of feedings - does that sound ok?

[Baxied]

Hey, I just read you thread. I was not planning on leaving the mountain today but could possibly do it this afternoon.

[lennysmom]

Well, after searching, it looks like I ordered the flavored Baycox in early February for Lenny, so I guess it would be expired? :(

[island rehabber]

Well, after searching, it looks like I ordered the flavored Baycox in early February for Lenny, so I guess it would be expired? :(

Not necessarily...does it say anything about that on the bottle or the card inside?

[CritterMom]

I would use it in a New York minute.

It is the flavoring they are concerned about - 6 months is what they recommend. You are very close and if there isn't any signs of a problem with the stuff - like it doesn't have mold floating in it !! - you are within a couple months of that.

[CritterMom]

And if you don't want to use it for some reason, you can go with SMZ-TMP, though it is slower to work. Do you have any? I have some on order right now but it isn't in my hands yet...

[Milo's Mom]

I just, like yesterday, got my new order of flavored Baycox. I just looked at the bottle and it says on the side of the label to discard after 2 years. So, I would think if you got the bottle last year for Lenny it should still be fine.

When the Great Grand Babies had coccidia just a couple weeks ago I used my Baycox from last year. I bought it when I had DoDa, which would have been the end of October/beginning of November.


EDIT: Also I just went back and looked at my notes for the age of the Great Grand Babies when I gave them Baycox. They were 5 1/2 weeks old.

[lennysmom]

Not necessarily...does it say anything about that on the bottle or the card inside?

I finally found the little paper - it says on it use by Aug 2014 for best effectiveness.. but the bottle says use within 12 months??

[lennysmom]

And if you don't want to use it for some reason, you can go with SMZ-TMP, though it is slower to work. Do you have any? I have some on order right now but it isn't in my hands yet...

Yes, I have some. I have already given them one dose last night and one this morning of it.

[lennysmom]

I just, like yesterday, got my new order of flavored Baycox. I just looked at the bottle and it says on the side of the label to discard after 2 years. So, I would think if you got the bottle last year for Lenny it should still be fine.

When the Great Grand Babies had coccidia just a couple weeks ago I used my Baycox from last year. I bought it when I had DoDa, which would have been the end of October/beginning of November.


EDIT: Also I just went back and looked at my notes for the age of the Great Grand Babies when I gave them Baycox. They were 5 1/2 weeks old.

That is odd. Wonder why my bottle says 12 months and my paper says August? :thinking
Yes, my little ones are probably about the same age as your Great Grand Babies were when they got it. Thanks for looking that up for me.

[lennysmom]

Oh my word - I just realized my paper says best effectiveness by Aug. 2013!!:eek But I didn't even order it until Feb of 2014.. must be a misprint?
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[Nancy in New York]

Well is seems they are giving a lot of misinformation because this is taken from their site!

Shelf life is approximately 2 years when unflavored.
Use within 6 months if flavoring is added. Flavoring contains propylene glycol and stevia.

http://www.beardeddragon.co/index.php?route=product/product&path=60&product_id=478

From another site, and this was also posted in triage, by another member.

DO NOT use the 2.5% solution sold as a pigeon remedy, as it can be caustic to the mucus membranes of cats.

http://www.fanciers.com/cat-facts/cat-health/12-Drugs%20and%20therapies/86-baycox-for-treatment-of-coccidia.html

[Mommaluvy]

So you can dose 8 weekers on Baycox?

Thats the only reason I did not take anyone up on the offer when someone offered to send me some for Chryso.. Cause people kept saying that they did not know if you could give to one that little. Maybe I misunderstood. But for us the SMZ seems to have worked after the albon flagyl

Will keep in mind if GOD FORBID it comes back.

Mine are like nine weeks now.

Anyhow.. I still have plenty of SMZ available if anyone needs it.

[Milo's Mom]

Oh my word - I just realized my paper says best effectiveness by Aug. 2013!!:eek But I didn't even order it until Feb of 2014.. must be a misprint?
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Okay, wow, first and foremost, I do really think that if you bought it in February it would still be just fine to use now, providing it does not have some kind of wonky odor.

Now, get this!!! I just pulled out the paprs that came with my od bottle and the new one. My old paper has a marker line going through the August 2013 use by date. (it looked just like the one you just posted, but it had a black marker line going through it)

Then I looked at the new paper and it says the exact same thing (use by August 2013) and I just got it yesterday!

I'm going to go look for a phone number and call them. I will ask them point blank how long it's good for both flavored and unflavored and why their paperwork says August 2013! Grrrr!!! The Executive Assistant in me is seriously twitching right now!!!!

[lennysmom]

Okay, wow, first and foremost, I do really think that if you bought it in February it would still be just fine to use now, providing it does not have some kind of wonky odor.

Now, get this!!! I just pulled out the paprs that came with my od bottle and the new one. My old paper has a marker line going through the August 2013 use by date. (it looked just like the one you just posted, but it had a black marker line going through it)

Then I looked at the new paper and it says the exact same thing (use by August 2013) and I just got it yesterday!

I'm going to go look for a phone number and call them. I will ask them point blank how long it's good for both flavored and unflavored and why their paperwork says August 2013! Grrrr!!! The Executive Assistant in me is seriously twitching right now!!!!

How crazy is that?! :shakehead

[lennysmom]

Well is seems they are giving a lot of misinformation because this is taken from their site!

Shelf life is approximately 2 years when unflavored.
Use within 6 months if flavoring is added. Flavoring contains propylene glycol and stevia.

http://www.beardeddragon.co/index.php?route=product/product&path=60&product_id=478

From another site, and this was also posted in triage, by another member.

DO NOT use the 2.5% solution sold as a pigeon remedy, as it can be caustic to the mucus membranes of cats.

http://www.fanciers.com/cat-facts/cat-health/12-Drugs%20and%20therapies/86-baycox-for-treatment-of-coccidia.html

Yes Nancy, I have to say I'm a bit confused right now..

[lennysmom]

Ok, I am drowning in a sea of laundry and for right now I'm going to assume that this is coccidia - if I wash their bedding in the machine on hot water and add bleach to the wash cycle, is that sufficient to sanitize? I do not have enough fleece to throw it away every time...

[Milo's Mom]

Ok, I am drowning in a sea of laundry and for right now I'm going to assume that this is coccidia - if I wash their bedding in the machine on hot water and add bleach to the wash cycle, is that sufficient to sanitize? I do not have enough fleece to throw it away every time...


That's what I do and I wash the bin with hot soapy water and then spray it down with Clorox Hard surface sanitizer, wait 3 minutes, then wipe it dry, then refleece it and away we go again...till the next feeding.

Oh and I called Beardeddragon. Got voicemail so I left a message and asked them to call me back regarding an order I recently placed and just received. If I do not hear from them within 24 hours I will call them again and send and e-mail.

[lennysmom]

That's what I do and I wash the bin with hot soapy water and then spray it down with Clorox Hard surface sanitizer, wait 3 minutes, then wipe it dry, then refleece it and away we go again...till the next feeding.

Oh and I called Beardeddragon. Got voicemail so I left a message and asked them to call me back regarding an order I recently placed and just received. If I do not hear from them within 24 hours I will call them again and send and e-mail.

Ok, thanks MM. I actually have coccidia cleaner I ordered to clean the bin out with. I had to clean my whole bathroom out with it numerous times when Lenny was sick.
I remember trying to call those people too to inquire about faster shipping when I ordered originally.. they never called me back. :( Hope you have better results.

[lennysmom]

I finally got the Diastat in the mail! :dance So, just feed them that at their next feeding instead of formula, right?

[SugarBugFerret]

Oh and I called Beardeddragon. Got voicemail so I left a message and asked them to call me back regarding an order I recently placed and just received. If I do not hear from them within 24 hours I will call them again and send and e-mail.

Hmmmmm...I'm very interested in what they have to say. I am wanting to order some stuff from them. :thinking

[lennysmom]

I went ahead and had a fecal test run on both babies - thank you SO much Baxied for getting it tested with your vet for me! :thankyou

I was only able to get a small, watery amount from both babies but thankfully it was enough. The vet said he saw lots of parasite eggs - poor babies must be totally infested!! :(
He told Baxied they were the size of hookworm eggs and had live larva inside - he even drew her a picture! :yuck Because he doesn't do a lot of squirrels, he was hesitant to say definitively that it was hook worms so he wasn't sure what to prescribe, but he did tell her that hookworms look very similar to that in cats and dogs. I HATE the stupid things :pissed - that is what we finally figured out poor Lenny had that was making him so sick.

So, now I'm wondering what to treat the babies with now since it seems like they have hookworms, or something similar. I do have Panacur.....

[lukaslolamaus]

It looks like my rehabber friend has some babies come down with the same problem.

[lennysmom]

It looks like my rehabber friend has some babies come down with the same problem.

Hmmm... are worms easily contagious from one squirrel to another?? Or is there something else going on here too?? :dono

[lukaslolamaus]

I honestly don't know......I passed on all the info from you. I know one of the girls went to the vet and was started on antibiotics on Monday. The girl is with my rehabber's friend friend. So I'm not certain if one or more are affected.

[lukaslolamaus]

Hmmm... are worms easily contagious from one squirrel to another?? Or is there something else going on here too?? :dono

She just confirmed that only one of the babies has diarrhea as of right now.

[Nancy in New York]

I will scan and pm both you ladies the info on Hookworms from the WMB book.
This is VERY contagious, and can transmit to humans as well.

[Nancy in New York]

I'm posting the information here, so it may be able to help others as well.


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[lennysmom]

Oh my word, it sounds more awful reading about it then I imagined! :eek
The sudden death thing was the clincher for me - geez, I'm so thankful that this can be treated and that Lenny didn't die with hookworms!!

[lukaslolamaus]

Thank you for the information Nancy:thumbsup

[lennysmom]

Thank you for the information Nancy:thumbsup

Yes, thank you! :thankyou

[lennysmom]

So, lukaslolamaus just called me and told me that a couple of the other babies in AL are being treated for coccidia after going to the vet. But they had black, tarry poop and were being fed the same thing as mine, so I'm not sure they have the same thing anyway. :dono
The vet here found a lot of worm eggs in my babies poop with live larva that he said were the size of hookworm eggs - I guess what I need to know is what meds to use at this point?? - I would think they need a dewormer, but I'm wondering now about coccidia too since the others had it... however, the symptoms are different.
I have some Panacur - should I start them on it?

[Milo's Mom]

My personal opinion is that you need to treat for the symptoms you have with your kids. You had their poop looked at and you have first hand knowledge of their symptoms. Yes, having the knowledge of what the others have and are being treated for is nice to know, but you cannot treat on a what if or a because they do. Treat for what you see and know. If the vet says worms, then personally, I'd treat for worms.

Did you ask the vet about coccidia? It is entirely possible that they have both worms and coccidia....the vet may not have seen the coccidia.

I've always been told to treat what you know, you know worms.

[lennysmom]

My personal opinion is that you need to treat for the symptoms you have with your kids. You had their poop looked at and you have first hand knowledge of their symptoms. Yes, having the knowledge of what the others have and are being treated for is nice to know, but you cannot treat on a what if or a because they do. Treat for what you see and know. If the vet says worms, then personally, I'd treat for worms.

Did you ask the vet about coccidia? It is entirely possible that they have both worms and coccidia....the vet may not have seen the coccidia.

I've always been told to treat what you know, you know worms.

Thank you for your input MM. That was what I was thinking too. Im pretty sure the vet was asked about coccidia - I'll double check with Baxied.

[lennysmom]

I did get the FV in today as well. Mogi has been on the GM formula for nearly 3 days. Should I keep them on that until the diarrhea is under control or switch to the FV? I'm concerned about them getting proper nutrition. They are on diluted GM at this point.
Oh, and I just gave them a feeding of the Diastat a couple of hours ago. I thought it best to alternate feedings of Diastat and formula?

[Mommaluvy]

My vet saw nothing in my babies poos. I had 3 or four different squirrel samples in the sample and they ran the float as one big float. Nothing.

BUT based on symptoms she decided to treat with a regular wormer, ( strong id in our case) and the albon Flagyl which fixed most of mine up. Chryso was not normal till he had 7 days worth of SMZ TMP from our vet and Steriods from TSB.

So yes.. I would treat for the symptoms.. but apparently you can do wormers with the sulfa's. Glad you got a lead on what might be causing your troubles. Happy Healings :P and speedy.

I was told that the product that helps sterilize stuff from the bearded dragon site is concentrated Ammonia. Somone mentioned it in one of my threads.

My DH who is a chemical engineer in another life before he went to soft ware said it was ammonia basically. I have been told Bleach will not kill coccidia.So.. maybe INSTEAD OF BLEACE use ammonia in your wash?

BUT DO NOT MIX THEM TOGETHER OR YOU WILL DIE.

[lennysmom]

My vet saw nothing in my babies poos. I had 3 or four different squirrel samples in the sample and they ran the float as one big float. Nothing.

BUT based on symptoms she decided to treat with a regular wormer, ( strong id in our case) and the albon Flagyl which fixed most of mine up. Chryso was not normal till he had 7 days worth of SMZ TMP from our vet and Steriods from TSB.

So yes.. I would treat for the symptoms.. but apparently you can do wormers with the sulfa's. Glad you got a lead on what might be causing your troubles. Happy Healings :P and speedy.

I was told that the product that helps sterilize stuff from the bearded dragon site is concentrated Ammonia. Somone mentioned it in one of my threads.

My DH who is a chemical engineer in another life before he went to soft ware said it was ammonia basically. I have been told Bleach will not kill coccidia.So.. maybe INSTEAD OF BLEACE use ammonia in your wash?

BUT DO NOT MIX THEM TOGETHER OR YOU WILL DIE.

I hadn't thought of doing that ML. However, I'm wondering if the ammonia odor would bother the babies noses? Or maybe most of the scent would dissipate in the rinse cycle..:dono defiantly something to consider.

Thank you for the well wishes. :) I'm hoping to get the diarrhea under control ASAP!!

[lennysmom]

I did confirm that Baxied mentioned coccidia twice to the vet, but apparently what they ended up finding was worms.

[Baxied]

I said to check for coccidia, parasites or anything else that could cause diarrhea in baby squirrels to 2 different vet techs.

At this point you know they have hookworms or some type of similar parasite so you need to treat for that.

Do you still have the Panacur you used to treat Lenny?

[lennysmom]

I said to check for coccidia, parasites or anything else that could cause diarrhea in baby squirrels to 2 different vet techs.

At this point you know they have hookworms or some type of similar parasite so you need to treat for that.

Do you still have the Panacur you used to treat Lenny?

Actually, I have some I bought to treat Angel because it was suggested to me to go ahead and treat them both for the hookworms. But I'm not sure how to dose it. It is in 1 gram packets and each packet treats 10 pounds.

[lennysmom]

Also, does anyone know if the SMP and Panacur can be used together?

[SugarBugFerret]

BUT DO NOT MIX THEM TOGETHER OR YOU WILL DIE.

Oh gosh no! My heart just stopped! :eek I have worked in food quality for years, and we have used both bleach and an ammonium product as sanitizers. But NEVER together! It can produce a gas that is an extreme lung irritant. Regular household ammonia and bleach together are even worse, and can even cause death. Many a housewife has found out the hard way not to mix! So please my friends, one or the other, not both! Ok...my heart started again.


It is in 1 gram packets and each packet treats 10 pounds.

I had these 1 gram packets when I just treated my 2 1/2 pound chihuahua for roundworms. It was a challenge, but I carefully separated it into 3 "equal" parts on little squares of wax paper, to make single doses. I then mixed it with vanilla yogurt and the probiotic I use (that smells strongly of cinnamon) to make some glop that I could suck into a syringe. I will also say that it took a good 5 days (3 days of treatment then 2 after) for my chi chi to really feel better. He had blood in his stool for 2 days after starting treatment. I'm praying and sending healing vibes your way! :hug

[Mommaluvy]

[COLOR="#800080"]Many a housewife has found out the hard way not to mix! So please my friends, one or the other, not both! Ok...my heart started

Yep.. My mom did that once in the 50's and mixed them in a toilet.. Nearly died before she flushed and ran. So do not mix em !


Your right about the smell though.. Maybe a second wash in just detergent? I'll check my thread and see who recommended it. Maybe it's just for hard surfaces. I did not try it cause of the smell and the fact I don't have any on hand.

[Mommaluvy]

http://www.beardeddragon.co/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=249 If the link works this is what I've seen used here.


Course you could ask them about the smell but sounds like peeps are having a hard time customer service wise.

[lennysmom]

Course you could ask them about the smell but sounds like peeps are having a hard time customer service wise.

That is what I have. :) But I didn't think you could put it in laundry??

[Mommaluvy]

Maybe you can't ??

Btw your mailbox is full.

[lennysmom]

Maybe you can't ??

Btw your mailbox is full.

Sorry, it's not now. :tilt

[lennysmom]

I was in with the babies after feeding - and thankfully after a feeding of Diastat, we are back to toothpaste consistency instead of water. :)
They also received their first dose of Panacur.

But I thought I might have heard some clicking from Mogi - so, I went and got the stethoscope and listened, but I really couldn't tell for sure. He's not as active and playful as his sister tonight. He seems to have more trouble then his sister getting the hang of the syringe and sometimes gets choked on the formula despite my best efforts to control the direction and flow. I'm really hoping and praying that is not what I heard.

[Nancy in New York]

I was in with the babies after feeding - and thankfully after a feeding of Diastat, we are back to toothpaste consistency instead of water. :)
They also received their first dose of Panacur.

But I thought I might have heard some clicking from Mogi - so, I went and got the stethoscope and listened, but I really couldn't tell for sure. He's not as active and playful as his sister tonight. He seems to have more trouble then his sister getting the hang of the syringe and sometimes gets choked on the formula despite my best efforts to control the direction and flow. I'm really hoping and praying that is not what I heard.

Please read this thread.....it's addressing this very topic. :thumbsup
And read stepnstone's link that he posted in this thread too.
http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?47654-Aspiration-Pneumonia-Interesting-observation

[lennysmom]

Please read this thread.....it's addressing this very topic. :thumbsup
And read stepnstone's link that he posted in this thread too.
http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?47654-Aspiration-Pneumonia-Interesting-observation

Thank you for the link Nancy. That is very interesting that a container could amplify clicking where it can be heard. I didn't hear anything at the last feeding and he was up and playing. I listened before I took him out and then again with a stethoscope and heard nothing. He like a champ too, so hopefully all is well. I will feed again in about an hour and listen very closely again before I even open the container, just to make sure.

[lennysmom]

Ok, I listened again this morning and didn't hear anything again - had my hubby listen as well. Guess it was a false alarm thank goodness! :)
Their poop is a gel like consistency now.. the Diastat is defiantly helping with that. I am doing every other feeding of the Diastat and the other feedings I am weaning them off the GM and onto the FV slowly with added pumpkin to help with stool consistency. They both gobble it down and I have to stop them from sucking it too fast! :tilt

[lennysmom]

Well, we've made it from gel to somewhat formed, but still very mushy stool, so we are on the right track! :) Going to give the babies their second dose of Panacur here soon. Have washed and sanitized all bedding and containers too. I think I will continue to feed the Diastat every other feeding until I see either normal poops or we are finished with the deworming, whichever happens first.
They seem to be adjusting well from the GM to the FV formula. I noticed today that Demi has some darker discoloring on her belly in certain spots, but she is eating great and pottying well - so, is this something I need to be concerned about? It looks almost like a little internal bruising and I think it has always been there, I just noticed it more today when she had a nice little round, full belly. She weighs 130g now, but Mogi hasn't gained any weight today. However, he eats about as much as she does, so I'm not sure why that would be? :dono
Still haven't heard any clicking from Mogi, so I'm happy about that.

[lennysmom]

Ugh, ok we are back to the gel poop now. :( I have noticed their poo is much better and firmer after the Diastat feeding and then after a normal formula feeding, back to gel or mushy stool. But the Diastat says not to use it as a sole source of food for more then 24 hours...
Actually, after the last two feedings, the poop was much better, but then I gave the Panacur.. can the Panacur make diarrhea worse? :thinking
SO very frustrating dealing with this.

[lukaslolamaus]

:grouphug:grouphug:grouphug:grouphug:Love_Icon

[Nancy in New York]

It sounds like you are making some progress. Stay on course, and just be
thankful they have YOU. I suspect this was something that was transmitted
during the long trip. These little ones are resilient, but perhaps stress also
plays a part. While they are still babies, I KNOW they can stress, and this was
a lot for them to go through.
They're home now, and that's what counts. Soon it
will all be behind you. :Love_Icon

[lennysmom]

It sounds like you are making some progress. Stay on course, and just be
thankful they have YOU. I suspect this was something that was transmitted
during the long trip. These little ones are resilient, but perhaps stress also
plays a part. While they are still babies, I KNOW they can stress, and this was
a lot for them to go through.
They're home now, and that's what counts. Soon it
will all be behind you. :Love_Icon

Oh I really hope so. Thanks for the encouragement Nancy, I needed it this morning.:) Just fed Mogi and Demi - Mogi had toothpaste like poo, but Demi's was a runny gel and she managed to get it all over herself, me, and my robe.:( I have never done so much laundry in all my life!! I'm wondering if the FV isn't making it worse, but I can't just feed them Diastat...

I'm also thinking they contracted things from being all together on the trip - that is why I'm praying it's just worms and not coccidia as well, since two of the other babies have been treated for coccidia. BUT, the vet didn't find any worms in their fecal. :thinking

You are right though - they are home and I'll do whatever it takes to get these little sweeties well again.:Love_Icon

[Nancy in New York]

Oh I really hope so. Thanks for the encouragement Nancy, I needed it this morning.:) Just fed Mogi and Demi - Mogi had toothpaste like poo, but Demi's was a runny gel and she managed to get it all over herself, me, and my robe.:( I have never done so much laundry in all my life!! I'm wondering if the FV isn't making it worse, but I can't just feed them Diastat...

I'm also thinking they contracted things from being all together on the trip - that is why I'm praying it's just worms and not coccidia as well, since two of the other babies have been treated for coccidia. BUT, the vet didn't find any worms in their fecal. :thinking

You are right though - they are home and I'll do whatever it takes to get these little sweeties well again.:Love_Icon

Lindsay what formula were they on before?
If it was Esbilac with probiotics, did you do a gradual weaning to the FV?
Also most members are using the 50/50 of both, or did you just incorporate
the FV with the Esbilac?
Did you get the 20/50 FV?

[Mommaluvy]

I suppose the panacur could make it worse for a few feeds as wormer always did my dogs that way. But it fixed it up quickly. Sometimes my pups were not symptomatic till the wormers .. Then they would barf or poop diarrhea with worms.


The meds are only for 3 days right? And your had hooks right?

I would stay the course. He distate has electrolytes but it's moslty rice starch and gelatin according to the ingredients. I suspect that just binds the gut .. Which is needed but.. Treating the problem is too .

I do hear you on the laundry. It's terrible. I resorted to using car Fred and paper towels to lighten my load and it kept them cleaner .. I think. Still te cage was a wreck.

We are back to fleece now.

[lennysmom]

Lindsay what formula were they on before?
If it was Esbilac with probiotics, did you do a gradual weaning to the FV?
Also most members are using the 50/50 of both, or did you just incorporate
the FV with the Esbilac?
Did you get the 20/50 FV?

Ok, they were both on the Esbilic with probiotics and then after they got sick, I put them on the GM formula. I ordered the FV 20/50 and after a few days of being on the GM, I gradually transitioned them from the GM to the FV and now they are just on the FV 20/50. So, maybe I should try half Esbilic and half FV 20/50?

[Nancy in New York]

Ok, they were both on the Esbilic with probiotics and then after they got sick, I put them on the GM formula. I ordered the FV 20/50 and after a few days of being on the GM, I gradually transitioned them from the GM to the FV and now they are just on the FV 20/50. So, maybe I should try half Esbilic and half FV 20/50?

I really think Lindsay that for now, we should probably just stick with ONE formula as they have had too many switches recently and that can also cause tummy issues. This is just my opinion, but I would continue doing exactly what you are doing with the formula for now. :thumbsup Just refresh me, how long have you had them?

edit: OK I think it's a week now. If so, they really have gone through a lot of changes, (through our advice, I know) so lets stay the course with the FV for now.

[lennysmom]

I really think Lindsay that for now, we should probably just stick with ONE formula as they have had too many switches recently and that can also cause tummy issues. This is just my opinion, but I would continue doing exactly what you are doing with the formula for now. :thumbsup Just refresh me, how long have you had them?

edit: OK I think it's a week now. If so, they really have gone through a lot of changes, (through our advice, I know) so lets stay the course with the FV for now.

Ok, that makes sense. Thanks again for the input and advice. I've been stressing over which formula or combination of formulas to use for a few days now as one thing works for one person and something else another.
But you are right, they have been through a ton of formula changes and I'm sure that's not doing any favors with their tummy issues.
Every time I feed them, they act like they are starving and Mogi will even shake he is so eager to get to the syringe. He is at 134g now and she is at 140g and I give them 12cc - I am afraid to feed them anymore then that and wonder sometimes if I'm not overfeeding them and that is part of the problem? :dono

[lennysmom]

I suppose the panacur could make it worse for a few feeds as wormer always did my dogs that way. But it fixed it up quickly. Sometimes my pups were not symptomatic till the wormers .. Then they would barf or poop diarrhea with worms.


The meds are only for 3 days right? And your had hooks right?

I would stay the course. He distate has electrolytes but it's moslty rice starch and gelatin according to the ingredients. I suspect that just binds the gut .. Which is needed but.. Treating the problem is too .

I do hear you on the laundry. It's terrible. I resorted to using car Fred and paper towels to lighten my load and it kept them cleaner .. I think. Still te cage was a wreck.

We are back to fleece now.

Yeah, it is a BIG mess ML - I know you feel my pain. It makes sense that the Panacur could make the diarrhea worse though although I know they need to be dewormed. Tonight I will give them their third dose of Panacur. And yes, the vet said it looked like hookworms to him.
I know there is little nutrition in the Diastat, but it sure does help stop the diarrhea so they don't get too dehydrated.

[Mommaluvy]

Oh no.. I was not chastising you about the dia stat nutrition

I was afraid you were going to consider stopping the meds.

That said.. What my brain was thinking was that I did try rice baby cereal. It " helped" get a toothpaste consistancy. Someone even suggested Rice check cereal... Which he ate eventually but he was so weak he could not eat a chex.. So I got the baby cereal single grain. I even bought unflavored gelatin .. Had a grand idea to make a concoction like a home made dia stat without the electrolytes.

Course I was so busy with laundry, cage cleaning and normal life chaos that I never got round to it.

So.. If you have someone that can leave the house you might try adding rice cereal to the formula. So that you can get that binding without having to go past the 24 hour thing on the diastat. Course .. It's just a suggestion.. Cause I am a newby. Adding it was a risk.. But I could not wait for diastat to arrive .

[beezle-weezle]

I feel your pain as I am going through the same thing with Lennie. Hopefully the meds will kick in soon and all the watery mess will be a distant memory. I don't know about you but I have a bottle of Moscoto waiting to celebrate! :beerchug :grin3

[lennysmom]

Oh no.. I was not chastising you about the dia stat nutrition

I was afraid you were going to consider stopping the meds.

That said.. What my brain was thinking was that I did try rice baby cereal. It " helped" get a toothpaste consistancy. Someone even suggested Rice check cereal... Which he ate eventually but he was so weak he could not eat a chex.. So I got the baby cereal single grain. I even bought unflavored gelatin .. Had a grand idea to make a concoction like a home made dia stat without the electrolytes.

Course I was so busy with laundry, cage cleaning and normal life chaos that I never got round to it.

So.. If you have someone that can leave the house you might try adding rice cereal to the formula. So that you can get that binding without having to go past the 24 hour thing on the diastat. Course .. It's just a suggestion.. Cause I am a newby. Adding it was a risk.. But I could not wait for diastat to arrive .

Well, the babies seem to love Cheerios and ate a few earlier today, so maybe that will help some. I know ALL about being too busy with the laundry and container cleaning to do much else - I have spent all day trying to catch up on everything!
I am only doing the Diastat for every other feeding, so hopefully it's fine to go past the 24 hour mark with that method. And I have added pumpkin to the formula and that seems to be helping some too.

[lennysmom]

I feel your pain as I am going through the same thing with Lennie. Hopefully the meds will kick in soon and all the watery mess will be a distant memory. I don't know about you but I have a bottle of Moscoto waiting to celebrate! :beerchug :grin3

Oh yes, I am beyond ready to have that celebration of all this being over! Just when I think I have the diarrhea under control, something like this morning happens and I end up with it all over the place! And I know the poor babies have to be miserable too. :( We have to keep reminding ourselves that there is light at the end of the tunnel!

[lennysmom]

The babies seem to be feeling a little better all the time - the last few poops have been a little firmer. I did give the third dose of Panacur tonight, so hopefully that won't make it runny again. But I can tell they are feeling better as they were up playing and fighting over some Cheerios tonight. :)
And I managed to catch it on video. :grin
http://youtu.be/i_TFnav0jE4

I'm just so happy to see them finally feel like doing something besides sleeping.:)

[Shewhosweptforest]

Awww... lennysmom I'm so sorry the babies are having poopie issues :( Poor little guys :grouphug and poor you :hug You've definitely been through it this year ...between Lenny and now these guys you've earned your stripes :thumbsup I hope the tunnel is short and that light is in your face soon! :Love_Icon The little guys are soo tiny...you can really tell by the size of the cheerio ...it looks big in their hands :grin3 and the "talk to the paw" face plant was adorable :blowkiss

[Mommaluvy]

Hopefully the end of the mess is near ! They are so cute.

[lennysmom]

Awww... lennysmom I'm so sorry the babies are having poopie issues :( Poor little guys :grouphug and poor you :hug You've definitely been through it this year ...between Lenny and now these guys you've earned your stripes :thumbsup I hope the tunnel is short and that light is in your face soon! :Love_Icon The little guys are soo tiny...you can really tell by the size of the cheerio ...it looks big in their hands :grin3 and the "talk to the paw" face plant was adorable :blowkiss

Thanks Sweeper. :) Yes, I really do feel like I've been through the ringer this past year between Lenny and now Mogi and Demi. After this, I hope I am DONE with parasites - AND diarrhea!!
They are really tiny Sweeper - I'm reminded of that when I read that one of lukaslolamaus babies that were around the same age has already reached over 200g!! Demi has just reached over 140g now and Mogi at 138g. Yeah, I thought that video was super cute so I had to post it - they really are so fun to watch! :Love_Icon

[lennysmom]

Hopefully the end of the mess is near ! They are so cute.

Thanks ML. :) I really hope it is too - not sure how much more my washing machine can take!

[lennysmom]

I am cautiously optimistic after the last couple of feedings - their poops are now perfect with the Diastat and with the formula we are still having toothpaste stool, but a definite improvement from the runny gel. I'm thinking maybe one more feeding of Diastat since I gave the last dose of Panacur last night for a week, and see what happens.
After feeding this morning, they still got some poo on their blankets though.But they are remaining more active, so I'm taking that as a good sign. :)

[Shewhosweptforest]

:clap That's great news...fingers crossed here :grin3 it's hard to believe something so little could produce so much poo :yuck But, their cuteness just melts your heart and makes it bearable:grouphug

[lennysmom]

:clap That's great news...fingers crossed here :grin3 it's hard to believe something so little could produce so much poo :yuck But, their cuteness just melts your heart and makes it bearable:grouphug

Oh, I know EXACTLY what you mean Sweeper! Especially when they have diarrhea - it's like a never ending mess and you wonder how they could poo so much! But yep, you're right - once you see those sweet little faces looking back at you, you don't really dwell on the mess too much anymore. :):Love_Icon

[lennysmom]

Well, after the last two feedings, their poop has looked much better! :dance Not quite as hard as normal yet, but well on the way there! :w00t Thank God for small blessings! :)
So, I am going to cut out the Diastat all together for now and see what happens. I'm praying we don't regress back to diarrhea again. They won't receive any more Panacur for another week, so that may help too. I am leaving the pumpkin in the formula for now until I am sure that the diarrhea is completely gone.
Overall, I have two much more active, playful babies who seem to be feeling a whole lot better! I hope we are done with the poop issues.

[Shewhosweptforest]

:w00t Alright! That's great...and I'm glad they're feeling better...poor babies, I get so concerned about the diarrhea and related health issues and forget...their little tummy probably hurt and their little bums :hug not to mention they don't like being dirty :shakehead

Maybe their little systems will get stronger before the next dosing and it won't be as rough on them:thumbsup That's my hope! :highfive Way to go lennysmom :Love_Icon

[Mommaluvy]

:bliss

Glad progress is happening.

[lennysmom]

After three FV feedings with no Diastat, Mogi has perfect poops so far! :dance
Demi started out perfect and then ended up with toothpaste consistency poop, but it's still much better then diarrhea, so I'm holding out hope that her issue will clear up on it's own. I guess we will find out in the next few feedings...
I have seen the worm remnants in both babies poo, so I know the Panacur is working. :)

[lennysmom]

:w00t Alright! That's great...and I'm glad they're feeling better...poor babies, I get so concerned about the diarrhea and related health issues and forget...their little tummy probably hurt and their little bums :hug not to mention they don't like being dirty :shakehead

Maybe their little systems will get stronger before the next dosing and it won't be as rough on them:thumbsup That's my hope! :highfive Way to go lennysmom :Love_Icon

Oh I know Sweeper - I'm so happy to see these little ones on the upswing!:)
I could tell their little bums hurt when I pottied them as they would begin to squirm and sometimes squeak a little when the diarrhea was there. It made me so sad to see them hurting. Even today when Demi had normal poos to start out, she seemed fine. But when the toothpaste started, I could tell she was uncomfortable. :(
Hopefully her poo will be totally back to normal at the next feeding.

[lennysmom]

:bliss

Glad progress is happening.

Thanks ML - me too! :)
I'm still a little nervous about a relapse, but so far things are looking better.

[lennysmom]

Well, I'm back to the laundry barrage. :(
Mogi still has perfect poo, but Demi goes back and fourth between soft, but formed stool and toothpaste. When I came home for lunch to feed them, she had it all over The bedding in the sides of the container - I wanted to cry! I am glad it's not getting watery again. I think the pumpkin mixed in the formula is helping with that - now I am at impasse... I'm not sure whether to stay the course like it is now with the Foxvalley and pumpkin mixed in or try a different formula combination? :thinking

It doesn't seem like Demi's toothpaste poo is getting any better, but I hate to put her back on the Diastat if I don't have to because I want to ensure that she gets the proper nutrition.
They haven't had any Panacur since Saturday night, so I don't think that would still be causing any issues? They will start the final round of it in a few days.
My biggest concern is that that hookworms may not be their only issue.

Maybe I should just keep things like they are, suck it up with the laundry, and just wait it out? :dono
Any input would be greatly appreciated.

[Mommaluvy]

Well, I'm back to the laundry barrage. :(
Mogi still has perfect poo, but Demi goes back and fourth between soft, but formed stool and toothpaste. When I came home for lunch to feed them, she had it all over The bedding in the sides of the container - I wanted to cry! I am glad it's not getting watery again. I think the pumpkin mixed in the formula is helping with that - now I am at impasse... I'm not sure whether to stay the course like it is now with the Foxvalley and pumpkin mixed in or try a different formula combination? :thinking

It doesn't seem like Demi's toothpaste poo is getting any better, but I hate to put her back on the Diastat if I don't have to because I want to ensure that she gets the proper nutrition.
They haven't had any Panacur since Saturday night, so I don't think that would still be causing any issues? They will start the final round of it in a few days.
My biggest concern is that that hookworms may not be their only issue.

Maybe I should just keep things like they are, suck it up with the laundry, and just wait it out? :dono
Any input would be greatly appreciated.

I would not change the formula.. I would try something that did Coccidia. Having women's could be enough of a stressor. I am so sorry your on the poop roller coaster.. .

[CritterMom]

Yes, having hookworms doesn't mean that there isn't another problem there as well. If you don;t want to use the Baycox, how about some SMZ-TMP?

[Mommaluvy]

I would not change the formula.. I would try something that did Coccidia. Having women's could be enough of a stressor. I am so sorry your on the poop roller coaster.. .

Well.. That's silly.. Love autocorrect lol. Woman's = WORMS lol

[lennysmom]

Well.. That's silly.. Love autocorrect lol. Woman's = WORMS lol

:rofl4 I sat there and read your post several times trying to figure out what you meant ML! :thinking Of corse you can imagine what my husband said it meant :rolf - thanks for my laugh tonight, even if it was due to auto correct! :grin2

[lennysmom]

Yes, having hookworms doesn't mean that there isn't another problem there as well. If you don;t want to use the Baycox, how about some SMZ-TMP?

I actually gave them a couple of doses of SMZ before the worms were discovered and we started the Panacur. But I was unclear as to whether I could use the Panacur and the SMZ at the same time... I posted the question but I guess no one saw it. So I discontinued the SMZ since I was afraid to use them both simultaneously. Is it ok to use both at the same time? I have to give them their second round of Panacur in a few days, but they would still be on the SMZ.

[Shewhosweptforest]

:tap woman's = worms :eek pleeeeese :get_em let's play nice :rofl4 :poke :eek
Who says computers don't have a sense of humor!?! :compownu

[Shewhosweptforest]

Aww lennysmom I'm sorry Demi's still having issues :shakehead poor Lil girl ...and poor you...I know it's rough...I'm sure you went back to work feeling like you were smeared with poo....even if your not :dono it feels that way :(
I wish I could come do some laundry for ya! :hug

[lennysmom]

:tap woman's = worms :eek pleeeeese :get_em let's play nice :rofl4 :poke :eek
Who says computers don't have a sense of humor!?! :compownu

Actually he was coming more from the angle of a woman being a stressor, but the worms are funny too!:gigg

[lennysmom]

Aww lennysmom I'm sorry Demi's still having issues :shakehead poor Lil girl ...and poor you...I know it's rough...I'm sure you went back to work feeling like you were smeared with poo....even if your not :dono it feels that way :(
I wish I could come do some laundry for ya! :hug

Thanks Sweeper! :) I heard you were a great squirrel sitter anyway - come on over.. I'll even let you share a room with Angel! :grin
Yeah, I do feel like I must have poop on me somewhere after all that.:shakehead Guess I'd have to tell my co-workers I had an accident with mustard!

[lennysmom]

Ok, BOTH babies are pooping toothpaste consistency now - sooooooo frustrating!!! So, I may go back to the Diastat for every other feeding again until I figure out how to make this better!

I just need to figure out what else can be given with the Panacur ... SMZ??? I will start them back on it tonight if so.....

[island rehabber]

I have never heard of anything being contraindicated with Panacur or SMZ.
Is there some reason why you don't want to use the Baycox? the persistent mush these babies are having is so totally coccidia, IMHO. :dono

[lukaslolamaus]

Praying that these babies get well asap :hug
Sending prayers:grouphug

[lennysmom]

I have never heard of anything being contraindicated with Panacur or SMZ.
Is there some reason why you don't want to use the Baycox? the persistent mush these babies are having is so totally coccidia, IMHO. :dono


I want to make sure mine is safe to use - and also with the Panacur?
I knew for a fact they have worms and I wanted to treat them for that - I wasn't sure if two treatments could be used at once..

[lennysmom]

Praying that these babies get well asap :hug
Sending prayers:grouphug

Thank you Sandra. :) I really appreciate the prayers.

[lennysmom]

The Diastat is helping to control the diarrhea for now - their appetite is stating to wain quite a bit, and that is concerning to me. I'm sure their little tummies are bothering them.

And I am very sad to report that one of the babies in AL died. :sad
That is very concerning to me too because I'm thinking they might have been litter mates and they had the same symptoms as Mogi and Demi - they were even being treated by a vet and on meds!! :eek

All that being said, I have decided that the Baycox may be the best way to go because it is faster acting and I don't want to chance anything happening to these sweet little ones.
The way I am understanding it, it is ok to give Baycox while also on Panacur?
Also, not sure how many days to dose the Baycox... I know the chart that came with the meds had two methods. :thinking
Prayers for the recovery of little Mogi and Demi would be greatly appreciated.

[Mommaluvy]

I would pm IR cause she said above that she had not heard of a contridiction with panacure or smz . But she may have meant with thise two.

Do you have baycox on hand and did BD site ever trll tou if it had been expired?

Oh hugs. Will have to read the other thread i guess to find out who the al baby was. :( poor thing.
Edit - she said "OR " and then mentioned baycox .. So pm her . :) and maybe you can get a dose in them tonight.

[Milo's Mom]

I called beardeddragon again today and I was not so nice with my message this time. I was not rude I just explained that I expect them to return my call.

I don't think there is a problem with the Panacur and Baycox together, but I am not positive.

I am positive that Baycox is awesome when it comes to knocking coccidia on its ass!

[lennysmom]

I would pm IR cause she said above that she had not heard of a contridiction with panacure or smz . But she may have meant with thise two.

Do you have baycox on hand and did BD site ever trll tou if it had been expired?

Oh hugs. Will have to read the other thread i guess to find out who the al baby was. :( poor thing.

Thanks ML. I was told by several members that the Baycox I have should be fine.. I'm not sure if MM ever heard anything back from the bearded dragon website regarding that. I have already contacted IR.
The caretaker of the baby who passed is not on the board. It is very heartbreaking - I want to make sure mine don't follow in the same footsteps..
And yes, the plan is to get a dose in them tonight.

[lennysmom]

I called beardeddragon again today and I was not so nice with my message this time. I was not rude I just explained that I expect them to return my call.

I don't think there is a problem with the Panacur and Baycox together, but I am not positive.

I am positive that Baycox is awesome when it comes to knocking coccidia on its ass!

They actually don't start their second round of Panacur until Thursday, so maybe that would be ok? :dono But I'm still not sure how many days the Baycox is suppose to be dosed? I think the WMB book says once and then again in a week, but the sheet that came with the meds had two different methods. :thinking

[Milo's Mom]

I have always had success using the heavy dosing schedule on the sheet that came with the Baycox.

They might not call it heavy dose on the paper.

[Mommaluvy]

I think i read MM's thread bout it and it was called "schedule two" maybe???

[lennysmom]

I think i read MM's thread bout it and it was called "schedule two" maybe???

Ok, thanks for the info ML. :)

[lennysmom]

We're back to almost water diarrhea in Demi now and toothpaste in Mogi.:Cry Up half the night doing laundry again and beyond exhausted.
Baycox has been given and I'm hoping between that and the Diastat, the diarrhea will slow down tomorrow.

[Baxied]

:grouphug:grouphug Lennysmom, Mogi & Demi. Prayers are being said that the baycox does the trick quickly and these little ones get straightened out. :grouphug:grouphug

[lennysmom]

:grouphug:grouphug Lennysmom, Mogi & Demi. Prayers are being said that the baycox does the trick quickly and these little ones get straightened out. :grouphug:grouphug

Thank you Baxied. :) I really appreciate the prayers. The poo issues were a little better this morning and they ate a little better too, so prayers are already being answered. I am praying we continue on this trend.

[lennysmom]

I am seeing definite improvements in the poo - much more solid now. Not sure how much of it is due to the Diastat and how much is from the med treatment. I am just so thankful to not find diarrhea all over the babies and their blankets all the time now. They are eating better today too. :) Hopefully the Baycox will knock this stuff out quickly!
I am also going to give some extra probiotics to help their little systems during med treatments.

I know with coccidia, recontamination is a definite possibility so I am changing out bedding and bleaching their container often. I understand the poop is how it's spread, so I would think getting the diarrhea stopped will help a lot with that. But how long after using the Baycox is it safe to assume that danger has passed?

I will say one thing for sure though - they certainly look relaxed now.:Love_Icon:grin
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I'm hoping their little tummies are starting to feel a little better.

[Nancy in New York]

Akkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk...............they sure do look relaxed.
AND I bet that mama is breathing a little easier too! :Love_Icon

[lennysmom]

Akkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk...............they sure do look relaxed.
AND I bet that mama is breathing a little easier too! :Love_Icon

Thank you Nancy. :) And yes, I can finally breathe easier! I can just tell they feel so much better and that awful diarrhea has finally stopped!! :dance I'm just hoping it stays that way. Thank God for answered prayers!

[lennysmom]

Well, so far no more diarrhea! :w00t They have gone three feedings with no Diastat and still eating the FV formula well. BUT, their poo has a definite odor to it today -is that normal for being on the Baycox? Maybe that is part of the coccidia, but I didn't notice any odor before. :thinking

I am taking the pumpkin out of the formula as they seem like they might be getting slightly constipated. Should I continue to keep them on the FV with yogurt?
They are more active overall too, so I am certain that they are feeing better.:)

[Milo's Mom]

Yes, I have noticed a bit of an odd odor to the poop when on Baycox. Kind of hard to explain the smell though. It's not really a coccidia smell but it kind of is. It not exactly unpleasant but it's not the regular baby squirrel smell.

[lennysmom]

Yes, I have noticed a bit of an odd odor to the poop when on Baycox. Kind of hard to explain the smell though. It's not really a coccidia smell but it kind of is. It not exactly unpleasant but it's not the regular baby squirrel smell.

Whew, ok thanks for clearing that up MM.:thumbsup I was a little concerned since I knew the smell wasn't normal - and yes, it is hard to explain that odor. Not really a poop smell at all. Good to know it's normal for being on the Baycox.

[Mommaluvy]

So glad they are better !

Here's to no more butt washes ! ( raises a toast )

[lennysmom]

So glad they are better !

Here's to no more butt washes ! ( raises a toast )

Thanks ML - I'll join you in that toast! :thumbsup Hoping I've seen the END of the diarrhea - and honestly after this, I don't think I'll ever eat mustard again!! (not that I ever really liked it much anyway!:grin)

[California Squirrel Lover]

I hope and pray they stay on this path of getting better and better. I'm so glad they have you. :grin2 You give such dedicated love and care. :thumbsup :grouphug:grouphug:grouphug

[lennysmom]

I hope and pray they stay on this path of getting better and better. I'm so glad they have you. :grin2 You give such dedicated love and care. :thumbsup :grouphug:grouphug:grouphug

Thank you CSL. :) I am doing my best with them and I just hope I can get them straightened out and feeling better again. I feel like I get one problem fixed and then another happens... now we are having some constipation issues.

[lennysmom]

Ok, I think the babies may be slightly constipated now - the last few feedings they have only pooped a few small poos and I found none in their bedding. :(
So, I was giving them pumpkin for the diarrhea, but I stopped adding it several feedings ago... it's weird but it seems like after I took it out we started having this issue. :thinking Their tummies do feel a little firmer then usual.
I tried to give them a little diluted apple juice last night, but they wouldn't take it. Going to give them a little sugar water before I leave for work. Mogi didn't eat much this morning - any other suggestions?

[lennysmom]

With some some sugar water, I managed to get a little more out of Demi. Mogi would not take much at all.

[pappy1264]

I try to do massage (both on the tummy and on the back), gentle but firm rubbing from the top to bottom (shoulders to groin), can be in or out of water, but would start out. Sometimes no poop can also mean they are using all they are taking in, esp. if only for one or two feedings. Are they still taking formula ok?

btw, pumpkin is a very odd thing, it is used for both diarrhea AND constipation (the roughage). May take a day or two for their bodies to adjust. As long as they are eating, wouldn't be too worried just yet.

[lennysmom]

I try to do massage (both on the tummy and on the back), gentle but firm rubbing from the top to bottom (shoulders to groin), can be in or out of water, but would start out. Sometimes no poop can also mean they are using all they are taking in, esp. if only for one or two feedings. Are they still taking formula ok?

btw, pumpkin is a very odd thing, it is used for both diarrhea AND constipation (the roughage). May take a day or two for their bodies to adjust. As long as they are eating, wouldn't be too worried just yet.

Ok, thank you so much Pappy for the input and tips. :) I tried to massage a little, but only right around their bum - I will try the firm, but gentle rubbing from top to bottom if the problem persists.
They still are eating FV formula, although after 7 hours, it was a struggle this morning to get Mogi to eat much at all. Demi ate fine. Hopefully he will eat better at the next feeding.

[lennysmom]

Mogi and Demi are pooping a little more now then they were - still not as much as I think they should be, but it's a step in the right direction and the best part is the diarrhea has not returned! :w00t
Their eating has been a little off and on, but I really think I need to spread out their feedings more and that would help. Now that I think we have the digestion issues somewhat under control, I am going to start giving them HHBs and monkey biscuits to nibble on.
Thank you everyone for all the help, support, and advice so far. :thankyou
I'm hoping the diarrhea is gone for good now. :)

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Mogi and Demi say thank you!

[lennysmom]

Still no poop out of Mogi for the last two feedings while his sister is producing a decent amount. They are eating the same amount of the same thing, so I just don't understand. :thinking
And the ONE poo I managed to get out of him was formed, but soft. :(
I have tried massaging to no avail and given what little bit of diluted apple juice he will take. He doesn't seem to feel all the great - Demi is up playing and active and he just wants to sleep a lot of the time.

Their next feeding is coming up soon... should I continue to feed him even though he has not pooped in the last two feedings? I am concerned about him getting the bloat.

[Shewhosweptforest]

I'm so sorry that you're still dealing with this :yuck it's horrible for you and them :grouphug

I wonder if you could stretch his feedings a little farther apart :dono I would be worried about it sitting in his gut too....then backing up :( I mean it's going from one extreme to the other :shakehead

Sending love and prayers :hug :Love_Icon

[Mommaluvy]

Maybe add pumpkin back in.. like was said above.. sometimes its good for constipation.. other times it firms it.

But even if you don't want to do that.. and I don't blame you.. I think your on the right track with the nibble foods.. and spacing.

Sorry things are still not moving smoothly. But glad its not the runs anymore.

[lennysmom]

I'm so sorry that you're still dealing with this :yuck it's horrible for you and them :grouphug

I wonder if you could stretch his feedings a little farther apart :dono I would be worried about it sitting in his gut too....then backing up :( I mean it's going from one extreme to the other :shakehead

Sending love and prayers :hug :Love_Icon

Thanks Sweeper - it is very frustrating really to seem to get through one problem only to have another. I did stretch out the feedings some and that seemed to help with the eating for Mogi. Demi is an eager eater pretty much all the time, so I don't worry about her. Little Mogi just seems a little behind his sister in many ways. He is making progress though, even though it's slow going. I appreciate the prayers and support. :)

[lennysmom]

Maybe add pumpkin back in.. like was said above.. sometimes its good for constipation.. other times it firms it.

But even if you don't want to do that.. and I don't blame you.. I think your on the right track with the nibble foods.. and spacing.

Sorry things are still not moving smoothly. But glad its not the runs anymore.

I decided not to add any pumpkin for now since I'm unsure if it would just make the problem worse. Thanks for the input though. And you are right about it being better then the runs - the continuous laundry and scrubbing was starting to really wear on me after nearly a week!

[lennysmom]

After waiting nearly 24 hours, I finally managed to get about six or seven poos out of Mogi. :dance It's not quite as much as I would've liked to have seen, but it's much better than nothing at all! I was getting to the point where I really did not want to feed him anymore until I saw some poop and I really prayed hard about it before I went in to feed tonight. I'm so grateful to God for answered prayer. :)

I decided to go ahead and transition them from just FV to 50/50 FV to Esbalic ratio to see if that would help. After two feedings like that both babies pooped more so I do feel like it helped. I'm hoping this will be the end of the poop issues!

[lennysmom]

Ok, Mogi and Demi have been diarrhea free for a few weeks now and have been through a round of Baycox and two rounds of Panacur for the worms. The second round of Panacur was finished two weeks ago today and I am still seeing lots of worm remnants in their poo. Is that normal?

They are around 9 weeks old now.
Mogi is starting to eat more solids and has brown poo, but Demi is not wanting to wean despite going longer between feedings. And now she is back to soft stool - it was green last night, a grass green, but I'm thinking that might have been some coloring off a wood chew or something. However, the soft stool has persisted this morning and I am concerned it might turn to diarrhea again. :(

I am strongly considering stating a third round of the Panacur today. When Lenny had the high count of hookworms, Dr. E put him on three rounds - he was an adult though, so I'm assuming this would be ok for Mogi and Demi too? :dono Since I'm still seeing so many worms in their poo, I thought maybe I should. :thinking

[pappy1264]

Panucur is usually used for three treatments, every two weeks, in small animals (went through this with my gliders). I would def. give the third dose.

[Mommaluvy]

Panucur is usually used for three treatments, every two weeks, in small animals (went through this with my gliders). I would def. give the third dose.

So glad you said that... I have one getting ready to take the second dose !

Omg LM.. This poop thing this for us is ridiculous !

So hope it resolves !

[Nancy in New York]

Oh NO! Those poor babies, and poor you too!
I too would give a third dose, we want to kick them
the heck out once and for all. :bash

[lukaslolamaus]

Oh no poor babies!! I hate that! Are the hook worms still contagious at this point?

[lennysmom]

Panucur is usually used for three treatments, every two weeks, in small animals (went through this with my gliders). I would def. give the third dose.

Thank you Mary. I'm stating the third round tonight, just need to make sure I get the dosing right since they have gained so much weight in the last two weeks.

[lennysmom]

So glad you said that... I have one getting ready to take the second dose !

Omg LM.. This poop thing this for us is ridiculous !

So hope it resolves !

Nooo kidding ML - I am SO over it! :shakehead Like you, I am trying to figure out how much Panacur to give them tonight - they have gained quite a bit of weight and are up to 310g now! :)

[lennysmom]

Oh NO! Those poor babies, and poor you too!
I too would give a third dose, we want to kick them
the heck out once and for all. :bash

I second that Nancy! Ugh, I absolutely HATE hookworms - the nasty boogers seem to want to hang on to these little ones and it makes them feel so rotten. I'm ready to finish them off! :bang
I know you helped me dosing before with that granules Panacur packet I used - could you send me how much to dose them at 310g?

[lennysmom]

Oh no poor babies!! I hate that! Are the hook worms still contagious at this point?

I honestly have no idea Sandra, but I hope not. I would think the ones in their poo would be dead at this point? :dono

[Shewhosweptforest]

:shakehead I'm so sorry lennysmom that you're STILL dealing with this....not to mention your poor littles :grouphug it's as if almost every other post is about diarrhea :dono I'm tempted to see if the Chinese have added a new year "Year of the Worm" :eek :yuck :dono trying for light humor...it's what keeps me going when things get tough...if I can laugh at it, or myself :grin3 I feel better :Love_Icon I hope you know you're in my thoughts and prayers...as is all these little ones suffering, and their loving caregivers who are working so tirelessly to save them :bowdown :blowkiss

[Nancy in New York]

I second that Nancy! Ugh, I absolutely HATE hookworms - the nasty boogers seem to want to hang on to these little ones and it makes them feel so rotten. I'm ready to finish them off! :bang
I know you helped me dosing before with that granules Panacur packet I used - could you send me how much to dose them at 310g?

I just got home and sent you the dose. Let me know what they had the last time. :Love_Icon

[lennysmom]

I just got home and sent you the dose. Let me know what they had the last time. :Love_Icon

Ok, thanks Nancy. :) I sent it.

[lennysmom]

:shakehead I'm so sorry lennysmom that you're STILL dealing with this....not to mention your poor littles :grouphug it's as if almost every other post is about diarrhea :dono I'm tempted to see if the Chinese have added a new year "Year of the Worm" :eek :yuck :dono trying for light humor...it's what keeps me going when things get tough...if I can laugh at it, or myself :grin3 I feel better :Love_Icon I hope you know you're in my thoughts and prayers...as is all these little ones suffering, and their loving caregivers who are working so tirelessly to save them :bowdown :blowkiss

Thank you Sweeper. :) Yeah, the diarrhea seems to be an epidemic this year for sure! The year of the worm.. ugh. Yeah, I'd say that's about accurate.:shakehead It is exhausting after awhile, but it is defiantly a labor of love with these little ones. And yes, humor certainly helps - laughter is the best medicine. :grin

[California Squirrel Lover]

Wait, diarrhea again?! :( I'm so sorry. You're such an awesome caregiver, though, so they're in great hands. Sending long distance hugs. Be sure to tell me if I can do anything to help, send anything? A care package for YOU?! :grouphug:grouphug:grouphug:grouphug:grouphug

[lennysmom]

Wait, diarrhea again?! :( I'm so sorry. You're such an awesome caregiver, though, so they're in great hands. Sending long distance hugs. Be sure to tell me if I can do anything to help, send anything? A care package for YOU?! :grouphug:grouphug:grouphug:grouphug:grouphug

Oh CSL, you are so sweet. :) Thanks for your support. We haven't graduated to total diarrhea yet - just soft, mushy stool. I'm praying it doesn't turn into the runs again. Started the last round of worm meds last night, so hopefully that will do the trick. Just hate to see them still chatter when they poo - so sad when these little ones don't feel well. :(

[lennysmom]

Demi's poo is still soft, although it has not gotten any worse thank goodness. But her poop has went from formula colored yellowish white to green! At first I thought maybe it was one of the chew toys that she had gotten the color from but it has been well over 24 hours now and her poop is still a sage green color - it does seem to smell a little stronger then Mogi's, though not overpowering by any means. I do you give them green beans and broccoli to eat, but honestly, I don't think she hardly eat any of it. In fact, she still doesn't want to hardly eat any solids that I can tell as her poo never has darkened like Mogi's and is still very light colored - well, now green. :(
I can't imagine it being normal for a 9 to 10 week old squirrel to not want to eat solids. I even skipped formula feedings and go longer between them and she still won't eat any. I have been giving them HHB's, monkey biscuits, small pieces of broccoli, cauliflower, green beans, and carrots. Maybe she just doesn't like the food I am offering? :thinking I'm not sure what else to try it this point.
All I can think of is that maybe the worms are still upsetting her stomach? Or maybe now with the green stool there is something else going on? :dono
Any input here would be much appreciated.
Um, and not to be gross, but in case it might help, here is a picture of her green poo. :yuck
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[Mommaluvy]

One of my last batch was like that. I had to cut him down to three feedings aday befor i could even get them to eat block!

Does your eat the HHB?

Anyhow.. I have seen this color and my guys appeared fine. Lasted a few days . I know the time i saw it i had witnesses the pooper eating bark. I attributed it to the bark.

Size and consistency look good. I would focus more on that :)

[lennysmom]

One of my last batch was like that. I had to cut him down to three feedings aday befor i could even get them to eat block!

Does your eat the HHB?

Anyhow.. I have seen this color and my guys appeared fine. Lasted a few days . I know the time i saw it i had witnesses the pooper eating bark. I attributed it to the bark.

Size and consistency look good. I would focus more on that :)

Thanks for the input ML. They only get two full feedings and one smaller feeding a day to try to encourage them to eat solids. And a few days I cut it back to only two feedings, but they seemed so hungry, I decided to give them a smaller feeding mid day.
Hmmm.. tree bark? I never would have thought of that. The only thing I give them along those lines are willow twigs I bought from the pet store. Maybe that could cause it? :dono
You are right about the consistency though - I'm so thankful it's not diarrhea anymore!

[lennysmom]

AHHHHHHHH!!!!! Now my Angel Squeakers has diarrhea!!! :Cry Where is the pulling my hair out emoticon?!?! Really, he had no contact with the babies and they stay in different rooms and I wear different robes to play with them. Just how contagious are hookworms? Maybe it was something he ate although nothing has changed about his diet.

Anyhow, he was treated as a precaution with two rounds of Panacur this past winter when we discovered Lenny had them since Angel did have contact with him.... so, is it likely Angel got hookworms from the babies?

[Mommaluvy]

WOW.. You poor thing.

We are assuming its hooks.. it could be the coccida. Was it you who did the baycox first and then the panacur? Or did you do the panacur first cause the fecal came back positive for Hooks. and then the baycox?? . I know I remember that much.. that you got the fecal positive for hooks?? Angel Squeaker has not had a fecal yet right? So it could be iether or or both if he has a weakened immune system??Dunno... just thinking outloud.

Hooks can enter the skin via the footpads. Esp those of bare feet. or animal feet. They can ingest eggs through grooming, get them from their mother, or contaminated environment or eating infected cockroaches ( cause I am sure your babies are not eating infected mammals ) .

Now.. did their laundry get washed together?
I am not sure how to kill hooks in the environment. I dunno if bleach kills the eggs... or what .. I am sure heat does but its real hard to get hot water in the average house to be 140 and even harder in today's eco friendly washers . ( all for eco friendly... but I really like to use hot water to kill stuff instead of chemicals.. esp when we are talking yeasts and strep )

I doubt your over feeding :P.. although I did read an article about squirrels over eating SOLIDS and causing diarrhea. Not sure if that was true cause I was assured here on TSB that diarrhea from that cause was due only to over feeding formula.. and not just a normal squirrel gorging itself.

So sorry..

[lennysmom]

WOW.. You poor thing.

We are assuming its hooks.. it could be the coccida. Was it you who did the baycox first and then the panacur? Or did you do the panacur first cause the fecal came back positive for Hooks. and then the baycox?? . I know I remember that much.. that you got the fecal positive for hooks?? Angel Squeaker has not had a fecal yet right? So it could be iether or or both if he has a weakened immune system??Dunno... just thinking outloud.

Hooks can enter the skin via the footpads. Esp those of bare feet. or animal feet. They can ingest eggs through grooming, get them from their mother, or contaminated environment or eating infected cockroaches ( cause I am sure your babies are not eating infected mammals ) .

Now.. did their laundry get washed together?
I am not sure how to kill hooks in the environment. I dunno if bleach kills the eggs... or what .. I am sure heat does but its real hard to get hot water in the average house to be 140 and even harder in today's eco friendly washers . ( all for eco friendly... but I really like to use hot water to kill stuff instead of chemicals.. esp when we are talking yeasts and strep )

I doubt your over feeding :P.. although I did read an article about squirrels over eating SOLIDS and causing diarrhea. Not sure if that was true cause I was assured here on TSB that diarrhea from that cause was due only to over feeding formula.. and not just a normal squirrel gorging itself.

So sorry..

Thanks for the response ML. I think only one time I accidentally washed something of Angel's with the babies stuff and also one or two times had Angel's robe on when having a little contact with the babies, but it was quickly that I realized it, so I doubt that is the culprit.
I did just happen to think of one thing and that is tracking it in on the bottom of my slippers. I tried to be careful about that once it occurred to me, but before that I think I did wear the same slippers a time or two. :(

Anyhow, I suppose he could have coccidia, but not likely in my opinion. And his diarrhea is not watery yet, just pasty. But it was NOT fun scrubbing it off his shelves today.
I want to believe it's something he ate, but I did see what looks like a worm in his poo today.. and believe me, I've seen enough of those to know what that looks like! :yuck
SO OVER THIS!!!! :madd

[Mommaluvy]

Here here ! You need a break! :grouphug

[California Squirrel Lover]

oh nooooo, I'm sorry :( :grouphug:grouphug:grouphug

[lennysmom]

oh nooooo, I'm sorry :( :grouphug:grouphug:grouphug

It is actually better so far today CSL. I found solid poo in his cage at lunchtime. :) I'm hoping it's just something he ate that caused it and not a parasite.

[lennysmom]

Here here ! You need a break! :grouphug

I couldn't agree more - I was looking back on his thread and just realized that he was treated with two rounds of Panacur in April because Lenny had been diagnosed with hookworms and they had been in contact with one another. I thought it had been more like January but when I was looking back it was actually April. So, I'm not sure how long the Panacur will prevent the worms from infecting him again? :dono

[Mommaluvy]

You mean panacur does not KILL THE WORMS?

[lennysmom]

You mean panacur does not KILL THE WORMS?

Oh yes, I'm quite certain that it does - I just wondered after treatment if there was a certain period of time in which it was less likely for them to be reinfected. :thinking