bloody mucus 2-3 week old

[Mommaluvy]

http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?47168-More-poop-problems&p=1035872#post1035872

She had normal poos and totally perfect poos this am.

Now she is back to yellowy cottage cheese like poops and the last part was just clear mucus with pink blood tinge.

Her story is above. but to recap got horrible diarrhea after being transitioned from some kind of Fox valley. ( assuming 32/20) to Esbilac with ProB Did fine for 48 hours.. then got loose stool then later mucus. This am she had been back on FV ( what ever number was in the baggie) for 3 feedings. She had 50% water 50% Esbilac PB for several days. Then I did 50/50 Esb. and FV. Then over full FV for the last three feedings. And now this.

48 grams

Please advise? Wait it out? give meds? I only have cipro on hand. And some slightly expired Amox Clav. Hope this is a normal reaction to the runs...

[Mommaluvy]

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[Mommaluvy]

Any ideas ? Feed - don't feed ? She has had this for two feedings. Now she has not pooped in 6 hour.

[Milo's Mom]

Pick a formula and stay on it. Constant changing back and forth will cause gastric distress.

It would also be a good idea to find out exactly what kind of FV you've been feeding. I suggest you contact whoever gave it to you and find out...some kind of FV could be FV for hippos for all we know. Know what I mean? It's always a good idea to know exactly what you're feeding.

Personally, I would do the 50/50 Esbilac/FV; however there are several options out there right now so you need to pick one and stay the course, IMHO.

[ALittleNutty]

Pick a formula and stay on it. Constant changing back and forth will cause gastric distress.

It would also be a good idea to find out exactly what kind of FV you've been feeding. I suggest you contact whoever gave it to you and find out...some kind of FV could be FV for hippos for all we know. Know what I mean? It's always a good idea to know exactly what you're feeding.

Personally, I would do the 50/50 Esbilac/FV; however there are several options out there right now so you need to pick one and stay the course, IMHO.

MM at this point do you think it might be best to just go to sugar water for two or three feedings to give this little one's system a break and then resume with the formula?

[Milo's Mom]

MM at this point do you think it might be best to just go to sugar water for two or three feedings to give this little one's system a break and then resume with the formula?

Yes, part of me thinks that is a good idea. My hesitation is that sugar can cause runny poop. But the poop is already messed up so I think I would be inclined to do several feedings of sugar water to flush her out and then start again.

[ALittleNutty]

Yes, part of me thinks that is a good idea. My hesitation is that sugar can cause runny poop. But the poop is already messed up so I think I would be inclined to do several feedings of sugar water to flush her out and then start again.

Thanks, I am thinking that would be best. Clean start and it may take a while to get normal poops after resuming formula so results should be averaged out over several feedings and no changes made based on one or two feedings.

[Mommaluvy]

Pick a formula and stay on it. Constant changing back and forth will cause gastric distress.

It would also be a good idea to find out exactly what kind of FV you've been feeding. I suggest you contact whoever gave it to you and find out...some kind of FV could be FV for hippos for all we know. Know what I mean? It's always a good idea to know exactly what you're feeding.

Personally, I would do the 50/50 Esbilac/FV; however there are several options out there right now so you need to pick one and stay the course, IMHO.


She did not know . I am not kidding. She says it was the kind for baby squirrels. So... I ordered 32/40. She has not had any more visible blood and her poo is normal this morning.

The diarrhea did not stop till all the esbilac was out of her formula.

I assume she was "right" because going back to fox valley seemed to stop it.
I am assuming she does not need ab?


Thanks :)

[sid'smommy]

Visible red blood would not be internal bleeding..its more like an irritation in the mucus lining - caused from diarrhea. I would suggest plain water for a few hours, maybe with some dissolved TUMS in it to coat the stomach.. divide up the amount of normal feedings, and do it every 15 minutes. (so, if its feedings are 1ml every hour, do .25ml every 15min) .. after about 2-3 hours, make a water/yogurt mixture(mostly water)... do the same thing for 3-5 hours. Once the diarrhea slows down... start adding FV to yogurt water.. but not full strength yet. You need to keep the poop soft until the lining is healed, and it cant be a lot at one time built up. Once you feel like things have cleared up, start backing off the yogurt and bumping up the FV... I would still feed less food, but more often... and maybe a little Tums water in between feedings for a few days. After about 4 days, you should be back to a regular feeding schedule ... :tilt

[jbtartell]

She did not know . I am not kidding. She says it was the kind for baby squirrels. So... I ordered 32/40. She has not had any more visible blood and her poo is normal this morning.

The diarrhea did not stop till all the esbilac was out of her formula.

I assume she was "right" because going back to fox valley seemed to stop it.
I am assuming she does not need ab?


Thanks :)

yes just stick with formula she is used to, only change it if u have no option.. their tummies are sooo finicky at this age..

[Mommaluvy]

Just an update... Most of them are mostly
back to normal but the pattern is the same. Firm (or firmer in chryso &Pepi's case )poops for the first three feeds of the day. Tooth paste or liquid at evening night.

Fecal tests just came back. Negative for parasites.


Do you think it could be my water?

[Mommaluvy]

yes just stick with formula she is used to, only change it if u have no option.. their tummies are sooo finicky at this age..

It cleared up for a few feeds but we are right back to the green curds now in tow of them. In the am it will be light brown and normal. By evening everyone but Tiny has tooth paste poo or curds and whey

Seriously .. Could NOT being stimulated by the person that had them before have caused them to have too much stimulation now?

I guess that's stupid cause they have diarrhea in the box in between feelings too. :(

[jbtartell]

hmmm, may be working out of their systems.. if you are not feeding any different then they should be the same morning and night. how much are they eating and how many times a day and what is the weight. .may be over feeding this causes diarrhea and mushy poops too.. I cant remember what you said they were on formula wise and how you mix the mixture..lol I am scatterbrained more so these days..lol

[Mommaluvy]

The smallest is 49 grams . The largest 62. The others are about 55-58.
They eat 5% . So I think that was like 2.2 for the smallest and 2.9 for the others and an even 3 for the 62.

They had been on FV. Moved to esbilac with cream. Then back to fox valley.

I thbk the boy has had the runs for 10 plus days or longer . And the smallest girl almost as long. They have been on just plain FV .. I think this makes 5 days now.

[Mommaluvy]

The smallest is 49 grams . The largest 62. The others are about 55-58.
They eat 5% . So I think that was like 2.2 for the smallest and 2.9 for the others and an even 3 for the 62. I weigh them each morning and calculate what the 5% is.

Feeding every 3.5 hours - last week every 3 .

They had been on FV. Moved to esbilac with cream. Then back to fox valley.

I thbk the boy has had the runs for 10 plus days or longer . And the smallest girl almost as long. They have been on just plain FV .. I think this makes 5 days now. No added fat.
I forgot to hit post LOL so ....

I just now weighed the boy and we know have a 1 gram n weight loss.

I know the scale can bounce but he was holding still and he looks sunken even though he does not appear dehydrated I will five him fluids with his feed .

[Mommaluvy]

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[Mommaluvy]

Yesterday at noon out if desperation I added organic banana pumpkin baby food to their fox valley.
The had been on fox valley 5-7 days already with little to no change . I had transitioned the two sickest over to FV before the other three. Mixed results there.

They all gained and have had pretty solid poops for 12 hours! Tiny - whose poops stayed normal the whole time no matter what is now the largest though.

Pep who had the bloody mucus gained 4 grams.

Chrys and hickory and Pruney all gained at least 2

Let's hope we have seen the last of the the green cottage cheese and clear gel.

I looked on some website from back when esbilac had a problem http://www.ewildagain.org/Nutrition/Esbilac%20Manufacturing%20Changes.htm

The picture of the poop was what we were seeing when Not the green cottage cheese I had posted . Just FYI .

My 7-9 weekers are all still thriving on it.

Just odd.

[ALittleNutty]

Yesterday at noon out if desperation I added organic banana pumpkin baby food to their fox valley.
The had been on fox valley 5-7 days already with little to no change . I had transitioned the two sickest over to FV before the other three. Mixed results there.

They all gained and have had pretty solid poops for 12 hours! Tiny - whose poops stayed normal the whole time no matter what is now the largest though.

Pep who had the bloody mucus gained 4 grams.

Chrys and hickory and Pruney all gained at least 2

Let's hope we have seen the last of the the green cottage cheese and clear gel.

I looked on some website from back when esbilac had a problem http://www.ewildagain.org/Nutrition/Esbilac%20Manufacturing%20Changes.htm

The picture of the poop was what we were seeing when Not the green cottage cheese I had posted . Just FYI .

My 7-9 weekers are all still thriving on it.

Just odd.

Glad you are finally seeing some good results and everyone is gaining. I know you have been :confused: as can be trying to figure this out.

[Mommaluvy]

Oh for crying out loud ...

Pepita is right back to nothing but mucus.
I dunno how many days on Esbilac with cream.. a few days of dilute esbilac

two days of transition and now five days of FV still diarrhea.

THe bananna and pumpkin firmed up all the others. She had NORMAL firm but smashable poop this AM and now yellow gel again.

I dunno what to do for this little one. I am at a loss. :boohoo:frustratedx

[Milo's Mom]

You can always have a fecal float done.

[Mommaluvy]

You can always have a fecal float done.

I did two days ago. Negative.

Now another ! Pruney is sick again after having firm poops for 24 hours. The nine pm feeding.

I am just going to bang my head now.

So we are back to 2/4 sick.

I am so discouraged.

[Mommaluvy]

And the saga continues..

4/5 still have loose stools ( Tiny never got it and she is now the biggest of them all)

And Pepita has blood again!

Been on FV no fat added for a week now. . . Coming up on two weeks worth of diareaha for a couple of these guys.

[Milo's Mom]

You could try giving them a bit of Immodium or Kaopectate. It will not "fix" the problem, but it might give them a bit of relief and the chance to absorb some of the nutrients in the food.

Another option would be to give them a feeding or two of FV Dia Stat. Again, this will not "fix" the problem.

[Mommaluvy]

You could try giving them a bit of Immodium or Kaopectate. It will not "fix" the problem, but it might give them a bit of relief and the chance to absorb some of the nutrients in the food.

Another option would be to give them a feeding or two of FV Dia Stat. Again, this will not "fix" the problem.


Been there done that with kayopectate - nothing but black mucus goo. Buried in one of the threads. I was giving .01 cc evey 4 hours

Is dis stat something that must be ordered ?

[Milo's Mom]

Been there done that with kayopectate - nothing but black mucus goo. Buried in one of the threads. I was giving .01 cc evey 4 hours

Is dis stat something that must be ordered ?

Yes, Dia-Stat needs to be ordered. You can get it from Chris's or Henry's.

The only other thing I can think of is to put them on a course of meds. More times than not for "unknown gastric issues" Metronidazole is used. We often use it in conjunction with SMZ.

[Mommaluvy]

Yes, Dia-Stat needs to be ordered. You can get it from Chris's or Henry's.

The only other thing I can think of is to put them on a course of meds. More times than not for "unknown gastric issues" Metronidazole is used. We often use it in conjunction with SMZ.

I think that might be wise at this time. I found a thread from 2013 coccidia ans it discribes this case to a T

What meds will I need ? Shoul I treat the one that is asympomatic ?
Albon? Is the metro a anti fungal?

[Milo's Mom]

I think that might be wise at this time. I found a thread from 2013 coccidia ans it discribes this case to a T

What meds will I need ? Shoul I treat the one that is asympomatic ?
Albon? Is the metro a anti fungal?

Metronidazole and SMZ would be the meds, as I previously indicated.

Alternatively you could try Baycox.

I don't think many people use, like, or recommend Albon for anything.

[Mommaluvy]

Metronidazole and SMZ would be the meds, as I previously indicated.

Alternatively you could try Baycox.

I don't think many people use, like, or recommend Albon for anything.


Ok - got a call into my vet to see if I can get meds from them quickly.

Weights are 70,74,70,71 & 53 grams that's including the healthy one.

[Mommaluvy]

Vet apt this afternoon

[Mommaluvy]

She is treating with Strongid
Albon and flaygil.

Keep prayers going and hope this works.

She was very happy with how clean I had kept them.. and let me tell you.. that was not easy.

[Mommaluvy]

The meds appear to be working . But I am afraid too late .
Pepita is gaining and her poops have been more like dried toothpaste - firm but mashable. A smeary firm. She is so lethargic . Except at feeds. But tonight I had to wake her to eat. Maybe it was containment? Who know.

The boy is still having toothpaste poops but it beats what he had.

Tiny came to me with Pepita. They were 5 grams different. 20 and 25 grams.
I have no idea what type of squirrel they are. I was told pine but they look like greys to me but super tiny. At the time of this picture Tiny who never got sick weighs 76 grams and Pepita only 53. Now that the runs have slowed or stopped how can I help her grow? Her hair is patchy - nearly bald in places - it just did not grow in.

[Mommaluvy]

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[Mommaluvy]

Well everyone "was" getting better.

Now loose poo's have returned to everyone but Tiny AND Pepita ( who was originally pooping the bloody mucus)

The boy is as bad as ever.

And the twins still have smeary poops.

My next step is to seperate them all into tiny carriers assuming they are re infecting themselves as they appear to be eating each other's dura hear poops.

Pepita has been seperated for a while due to her smaller size. She has had normal poops for 2 days .

[Mommaluvy]

Since this thread was started about Pepita.. and I seem to have so many things going on.. I do want to report that Pepita has been normal poops since 9-2-14. I don't know how many grams she has gained ( I would have to look back ) but this am she is only 20 grams smaller Than the squirrel she is pictured with above ( Tiny ) Pepita is 98 grams this morning.

She was treated with Albon Flaygil and Benebac for 12 days... and Strong Id.

Her sisters Hickory and Pruney also responded to this treatment and although the last report was not good.. they too got better after I took their sick brother out.

The boy did not respond to these meds. .. is a different thread now.. has had the runs for 30 days.. I am getting help for him in another thread.
I will try to post a pic of the two of them together but.. I don't think either will cooperate. LOL