Dayton Ohio

[Nancy in New York]

Is there anyone near Dayton Ohio that could help with two
pinkies that are barely hanging on. They need help ASAP.

[Shewhosweptforest]

Is there anyone near Dayton Ohio that could help with two
pinkies that are barely hanging on. They need help ASAP.

Monipenny lives in Akron, Ohio area :dono not sure how close that is...and ctmom is in Ohio ....but I think she's still out of state ...those are the only ones I can think of. :Love_Icon

[Heather Bowman]

Is there anyone near Dayton Ohio that could help with two
pinkies that are barely hanging on. They need help ASAP.

Akron is too far away. I'm trying hard with them to get them to thrive.

[Nancy in New York]

Akron is too far away. I'm trying hard with them to get them to thrive.

Hi Heather! We are still looking for someone. Hang in there, you are doing great. I know it is taxing when you are so
new, but we will try our very best to help you out. :grouphug

[SammysMom]

Hi Heather...I am still going through this with a tiny baby. I am going to take another look at the thread and see if I can think of anything more to add.

[Nancy in New York]

Heather do you mind if I post photos of your little ones?
Perhaps you can post a little background on them so that the members
can better help you. :grouphug

[ctmom]

I live in southeastern IN, however I'm still in CT. I'm sorry.

[SammysMom]

Okay, are you still giving the liquid Esbilac? What you want is the powdered puppy formula that says "with probiotics and prebiotics" on the top edge of the can. I used honey water every hour and a half or so on my baby. I just kept her warm and hydrated without formula for several feedings. How are they now? Take a warm cloth and wipe the fuzzies off. I had to do the same thing because they were in a new cat bed that she acted like a lint brush in.:shakehead

[squirrelsrule&bunniestoo]

Alicia Elam in Hamilton county is great. Her number is (513)546-7179.

Also Kathy Israel in Butler County. Her number is (513) 423-3728.

I know both and they are great! One should be able to help or at least direct the finder to someone who can.

[Heather Bowman]

Okay, are you still giving the liquid Esbilac? What you want is the powdered puppy formula that says "with probiotics and prebiotics" on the top edge of the can. I used honey water every hour and a half or so on my baby. I just kept her warm and hydrated without formula for several feedings. How are they now? Take a warm cloth and wipe the fuzzies off. I had to do the same thing because they were in a new cat bed that she acted like a lint brush in.:shakehead

I got the one with the bloated belly to drink the apple juice and water mixture. The other one won't drink anything now! :-(

[Nancy in New York]

I got the one with the bloated belly to drink the apple juice and water mixture. The other one won't drink anything now! :-(

Did you call the numbers that SR&BT posted?
Here are pictures of your little ones, they really need help
fast.
Thank you for doing what you can, they are in such bad shape,
and need expert hands.
Please keep us posted if you get either of these two rehabbers to help. :grouphug

http://nmognoni.smugmug.com/photos/i-FNVsmmN/0/M/i-FNVsmmN-M.jpg (http://nmognoni.smugmug.com/Other/TSB-resizing-2/n-GmzqZ/i-FNVsmmN/A)

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[SammysMom]

Go easy on the apple juice with a bloated belly, but flavoring water with it is okay. The other one is not bloated, is it possible she is dehydrated? Even if you have to use just a drop of water at a time, she needs hydration. I know it is so darned scary! Just take deep breaths and be steady with them.

[SammysMom]

Did you use a warm, damp cloth to wipe the fuzzies off of them?

[Heather Bowman]

Did you call the numbers that SR&BT posted?
Here are pictures of your little ones, they really need help
fast.
Thank you for doing what you can, they are in such bad shape,
and need expert hands.
Please keep us posted if you get either of these two rehabbers to help. :grouphug

http://nmognoni.smugmug.com/photos/i-FNVsmmN/0/M/i-FNVsmmN-M.jpg (http://nmognoni.smugmug.com/Other/TSB-resizing-2/n-GmzqZ/i-FNVsmmN/A)

http://nmognoni.smugmug.com/photos/i-H7nnjkT/0/M/i-H7nnjkT-M.jpg (http://nmognoni.smugmug.com/Other/TSB-resizing-2/n-GmzqZ/i-H7nnjkT/A)

I couldn't find any phone numbers other than one lady I talked to at Henry's pets.

Bo is drinking more of the fluid apple juice mixture. Luke just took a bit but they are having a hard time regulating temp.

[Nancy in New York]

Alicia Elam in Hamilton county is great. Her number is (513)546-7179.

Also Kathy Israel in Butler County. Her number is (513) 423-3728.

I know both and they are great! One should be able to help or at least direct the finder to someone who can.


Here you go.
This was posted above. :thumbsup

[Mommaluvy]

I'm in Cinci - but I am a newby.
If you can't get anyone ...

[Mommaluvy]

My god they are less than a week old. Is there a thread on them?

[Shewhosweptforest]

They can't regulate their temp at this age...you have to keep checking and moving...adjusting :dono it takes time to get it right...heating pad just right...fleece piled enough...not too much....just enough...if they are not warm they have a better chance of bloating...if they are cool when you pick them up...don't try and feed...lay them on the heating pad, on a piece of fleece...when they are warm pick the fleece up with them in it to help hold the heat. It's very important that you don't feed them when they are cool:thumbsup

[Heather Bowman]

Alicia Elam in Hamilton county is great. Her number is (513)546-7179.

Also Kathy Israel in Butler County. Her number is (513) 423-3728.

I know both and they are great! One should be able to help or at least direct the finder to someone who can.

I got all the fuzz off of them. Trying to hydrate with the apple juice and water mixture! The skinny one did take some more of that a few mind ago. They are on my lap on the heating pad now. Going to go give the little one some more water.

[pixiepoo]

Is there another thread on them? What happened? That bloated one looks really rough. Has he pooped? Whenever I had kittens like that they usually had Coccidia. I've never had a squirrel bloat like that. Fingers crossed they make it.

[Nancy in New York]

Is there another thread on them? What happened? That bloated one looks really rough. Has he pooped? Whenever I had kittens like that they usually had Coccidia. I've never had a squirrel bloat like that. Fingers crossed they make it.
I started the thread looking for help before Heather became a member.
She contacted Leigh from Henry's so I knew she would be coming on shortly,
and I just wanted to try to line up someone to help her with her babies, so I
started this thread.
Heather just continued with this one.

Heather, can you give a little background on these babies?
Did you call either of the rehabbers that SR&BT gave you numbers for?

[ctmom]

Praying for these little ones...

[pixiepoo]

Oh ok. I have just never seen a squirrel so bloated...even when fed too much or the wrong formula I haven't seen any like that. :( poor little ones. I hope she got in contact with someone to take them. :(

[Nancy in New York]

Oh ok. I have just never seen a squirrel so bloated...even when fed too much or the wrong formula I haven't seen any like that. :( poor little ones. I hope she got in contact with someone to take them. :(
This is the worst I have seen as well. :shakehead
I too hope that someone was contacted, and able to help.

[Shewhosweptforest]

:eek Sorry :sorry all this advice and I didn't even say :Welcome Heather :Love_Icon and :thankyou for caring for these little guys:grouphug just remember ...you are doing a wonderful thing ..these babes would be dead if you hadn't saved them :bowdown sometimes we get so involved in helping we just take for granted that you "know" we care :grin3 keep up the good fight I know it's exhausting :eek pinkies = no sleep :tilt and also remember that you're doing all you can....that's all any of us could do :grouphug :Love_Icon

[SammysMom]

I neglected to say something very important. I gave a drop of infant Gas-X every few hours. So sorry I forgot to say this...

[Heather Bowman]

They can't regulate their temp at this age...you have to keep checking and moving...adjusting :dono it takes time to get it right...heating pad just right...fleece piled enough...not too much....just enough...if they are not warm they have a better chance of bloating...if they are cool when you pick them up...don't try and feed...lay them on the heating pad, on a piece of fleece...when they are warm pick the fleece up with them in it to help hold the heat. It's very important that you don't feed them when they are cool:thumbsup

I'm trying to keep them warm but not hot. Luke seems to be giving up...only a few drops of liquid... no poop but has peed. Bo is drinking the fluids and is peeing but not pooping.

[Shewhosweptforest]

Ohh ....if you still have them in your lap....cuddle Luke in your hand...you know wrap your hand around him...still keeping him on the heating pad for the heat:thumbsup very gently rub him....let him know he's not alone....if he has the fight in him that may help, he's not alone...and if he really has no more to give :( you know he was not alone and you were able to comfort him :Love_Icon I'm so sorry :shakehead I know how hard this is :grouphug

[pixiepoo]

Would an enema be an option? Perhaps use a tiny gauge catheter and only a tiny amount of warm water? I've never had to use one with a squirrel but it have done plenty on kittens before. thoughts? Maybe a drop of mineral oil orally? I'm just throwing out ideas.:shakehead:thinking:shakehead

[Mommaluvy]

Ya. Know this is going to sound ridiculous but I am gonna out it out there. These bloated guys they are gonna die right !?
Pardon my blunt ness and bear with me .. I had an idea


That's why I keep hearing bloat is nearly impossible . I know they are tiny.. Esp these guys. But I was laying here and thought too bad they don't make microscopic suppositories.

That thought led me to what about inserting a tiny rubber nipple . I saw some online .. With loads if vasoline . http://www.squirrelsandmore.com/rehab-supplies/nipples-and-feeding-bottles/mini-nipples-package-of-10.html like these!

The make them for human kids. http://www.fridababy.com/shop/windi-for-gas-relief/

Which is sorta where I got the idea .. How to apply this to tiny squirrels? I mean I know you would have to be soooooo careful . And I would be scared as all get out to do that but.. What ifit worked

[Mommaluvy]

Would an enema be an option? Perhaps use a tiny gauge catheter and only a tiny amount of warm water? I've never had to use one with a squirrel but it have done plenty on kittens before. thoughts? Maybe a drop of mineral oil orally? I'm just throwing out ideas.:shakehead:thinking:shakehead

Exactly! Last ditch effort . Have these thing been tried on say bloated 4 weekers?
They sound like they need an enema or a suppository.

The body should react to something stimulating it. But for some reason their bodies are just of letting it go . Is it gass? Backed up stool ? Inability to open the rectum ?

I truely apologize if I sounded course or crazy I get thatwaywhen I fell helpless. With an infection you can give meds
With bots you can remove them and flush. This bloat sounds like .. Well hopeless.

[Mommaluvy]

Would an enema be an option? Perhaps use a tiny gauge catheter and only a tiny amount of warm water? I've never had to use one with a squirrel but it have done plenty on kittens before. thoughts? Maybe a drop of mineral oil orally? I'm just throwing out ideas.:shakehead:thinking:shakehead


Seriously - between your enema and my wind relieve idea I think we are on to something . The ASPCA site talks about bloat in dogs How Is Bloat Treated?

Depending on your dog’s condition, a veterinarian may take an X-ray of the abdomen to assess the stomach’s position. The vet may try to decompress the stomach and relieve gas and fluid pressure by inserting a tube down the esophagus.

So squirrel bloat seems to be in the lower GI . Or maybe not lower .. But I am more comfortable with enemas and fart straws than stomach tubing ..

But then possums get tube fed. There must be a catheter small enough for what were talking about.

[ctmom]

I'm praying these little ones are still with us. Thought about them all night. Bless you Heather for caring and trying your best to help them. That is all we can ever do. How are they this morning?

[SammysMom]

How are you and the babies this morning? I really did have one that was extremely bloated and I gave Gax-X drops. It worked. Praying that something worked and you are holding up. It is so upsetting and stressful...:grouphug:Love_Icon:grouphug

[Heather Bowman]

I'm praying these little ones are still with us. Thought about them all night. Bless you Heather for caring and trying your best to help them. That is all we can ever do. How are they this morning?

They were still fighting this morning. Bo was squirming all over the place. Like was a bit more still and not wanting to eat. SO I got them to a rehab person this morning about 10:30 Ohio time.
I can call to check on them in a few days. I will try to find this thread again and post what happened. I've been thinking about these little guys too! Sure hope they grow up to live a happy life. Luke I do believe also has a bum front leg but I know they can overcome that stuff! Maybe he can stay at a place that he will be cared for and not out in the wild! ;-)
Will try to keep you all posted if they tell me anything.
Thanks so much for all your help. I'm thinking about learning about rehab and so I can learn under a licensed rehabber!
Thanks everyone!

[Shewhosweptforest]

Ohh I'm so glad they made it through the night I was worried about Luke...please, please let us know what you find out :grouphug and yes stay on board....you will learn so much and as you can see, we could use more people in your area rescuing these sweet babies :thumbsup :Love_Icon

You did great, Bo and Luke ( Dukes of Hazard? :grin3 ) would not have had a chance without you :bowdown :Love_Icon

[SammysMom]

You did a wonderful thing for them. No matter the outcome, they knew the love that comes of caring for one of these precious babies. Welcome to the Nuthouse!:grouphug:Love_Icon:grouphug

[Mommaluvy]

:thankyou. For the update ! So glad they made it through the night. Without you they would not have had a chance at all.


I think your hooked now on squirrel love. Ohio requires a training class. I am on the list . The date and time for this year has not been set.

The place will be determined by how much interest there is and what area they are from. So if you get on the list too then we have a highe chance of it being in the Cinci Dayton area. :)

This session is required for all new permit holders. In Ohio you have training to be a catagory one permit holder . That covers NOn Rabies Vector animals- squirrels, rabbits, woodchucks . ( or you can sub permit under an already licensed permit holder ... But.. To get your own permit you have to have this training session )
After 3 years you can apply for avian and catagory 2 - which covers your birds,( Cept protected birds) and raccoons, possums and more. White tailed deer fawns are by special permission only which I think stinks.. And coons are very hard to place in Ohio.

But we would all start with catagory one animals. Below is the info. They can send you your packet now though.


The final schedule and registration will be posted on the OWRA website by the end of August.
Www.owra.org

Hope to see you!!

Kristen Beck
Clover Field Wildlife Care
330.499.5788
IWR, Chairman
OWRA Trustee

[ctmom]

Great news they made it through the night. Heather, you did a wonderful job. You cared enough to act and called for help when you felt overwhelmed. Kudos to you!

[squirrelsrule&bunniestoo]

:thankyou. For the update ! So glad they made it through the night. Without you they would not have had a chance at all.


I think your hooked now on squirrel love. Ohio requires a training class. I am on the list . The date and time for this year has not been set.

The place will be determined by how much interest there is and what area they are from. So if you get on the list too then we have a highe chance of it being in the Cinci Dayton area. :)

This session is required for all new permit holders. In Ohio you have training to be a catagory one permit holder . That covers NOn Rabies Vector animals- squirrels, rabbits, woodchucks . ( or you can sub permit under an already licensed permit holder ... But.. To get your own permit you have to have this training session )
After 3 years you can apply for avian and catagory 2 - which covers your birds,( Cept protected birds) and raccoons, possums and more. White tailed deer fawns are by special permission only which I think stinks.. And coons are very hard to place in Ohio.

But we would all start with catagory one animals. Below is the info. They can send you your packet now though.


The final schedule and registration will be posted on the OWRA website by the end of August.
Www.owra.org (http://Www.owra.org)

Hope to see you!!

Kristen Beck
Clover Field Wildlife Care
330.499.5788
IWR, Chairman
OWRA Trustee

It is actually illegal to rehab deer in the state of Ohio, which does indeed stink! Raccoons are also illegal in some counties (mine is one of them). But your summary is correct for category 1 and 2. Rabies vector is actually another permit in addition to category 2 which you have to take another class for and get rabies pre exposure shots for. Main thing category 2 allows you to do is take in opossums. Then the bird permit is federal permit.

[Heather Bowman]

I started the thread looking for help before Heather became a member.
She contacted Leigh from Henry's so I knew she would be coming on shortly,
and I just wanted to try to line up someone to help her with her babies, so I
started this thread.
Heather just continued with this one.

Heather, can you give a little background on these babies?
Did you call either of the rehabbers that SR&BT gave you numbers for?

The babies are with a rehabber now... Praying that I will get a good report when I call to check on them in a few days. So please still pray for these babies. We called them Bo and Luke!

I do miss the little fellows though. I'm hoping that maybe we might be able to see them before they are released if all goes well. It would make my heart very happy to see them well and thriving!

[Heather Bowman]

Thanks for trying to help us out with these babies. They are with a rehabber now and I pray that they will do better! I'd love to be able to see these little guys again! It would make my heart happy to see them again and know that they are thriving!

Thanks for letting me join this thread! I'm thinking about checking into learning more about being under a licensed rehabber! I would really love to help out with critters that need help!

[Heather Bowman]

Alicia Elam in Hamilton county is great. Her number is (513)546-7179.

Also Kathy Israel in Butler County. Her number is (513) 423-3728.

I know both and they are great! One should be able to help or at least direct the finder to someone who can.

Squirrels&bunniestoo, love the picture. We have pet bunnies.

[lennysmom]

So glad you were able to get them to a rehabber :) - I know you will miss them. But thank you for saving them and getting them this far.:thumbsup
I'm hoping you hear back a good report soon.

[Heather Bowman]

:thankyou. For the update ! So glad they made it through the night. Without you they would not have had a chance at all.


I think your hooked now on squirrel love. Ohio requires a training class. I am on the list . The date and time for this year has not been set.

The place will be determined by how much interest there is and what area they are from. So if you get on the list too then we have a highe chance of it being in the Cinci Dayton area. :)

This session is required for all new permit holders. In Ohio you have training to be a catagory one permit holder . That covers NOn Rabies Vector animals- squirrels, rabbits, woodchucks . ( or you can sub permit under an already licensed permit holder ... But.. To get your own permit you have to have this training session )
After 3 years you can apply for avian and catagory 2 - which covers your birds,( Cept protected birds) and raccoons, possums and more. White tailed deer fawns are by special permission only which I think stinks.. And coons are very hard to place in Ohio.

But we would all start with catagory one animals. Below is the info. They can send you your packet now though.


The final schedule and registration will be posted on the OWRA website by the end of August.
Www.owra.org

Hope to see you!!

Kristen Beck
Clover Field Wildlife Care
330.499.5788
IWR, Chairman
OWRA Trustee

Kristen
Thanks for the info. I will have to check that out! I would SO love to be able to help sick injured animals!
Still praying that I get good info about Bo and Luke when I call to check on them! I gave them as much love and comfort as I knew how to do! I love those little guys!

[Heather Bowman]

The babies are with a rehabber now... Praying that I will get a good report when I call to check on them in a few days. So please still pray for these babies. We called them Bo and Luke!

I do miss the little fellows though. I'm hoping that maybe we might be able to see them before they are released if all goes well. It would make my heart very happy to see them well and thriving!

Just thought I'd update. Found out today that little Bo did not make it. He's the one with the bloated belly. :-(. I've had a few good hard cries over him today. Luke was still hanging on, but it's still touch and go with him.

I am going to be in touch with a licensed rehabber to see about learning more about helping squirrels. I have GOT to be better prepared next time! I owe it to those little guys.
Thanks for all your help
I'm still praying Luke pulls through!
Heather

[SammysMom]

Many prayers for that little guy and hugs for you too...:grouphug:Love_Icon:grouphug

[PWP]

:thankyou. For the update ! So glad they made it through the night. Without you they would not have had a chance at all.


I think your hooked now on squirrel love. Ohio requires a training class. I am on the list . The date and time for this year has not been set.

The place will be determined by how much interest there is and what area they are from. So if you get on the list too then we have a highe chance of it being in the Cinci Dayton area. :)

This session is required for all new permit holders. In Ohio you have training to be a catagory one permit holder . That covers NOn Rabies Vector animals- squirrels, rabbits, woodchucks . ( or you can sub permit under an already licensed permit holder ... But.. To get your own permit you have to have this training session )
After 3 years you can apply for avian and catagory 2 - which covers your birds,( Cept protected birds) and raccoons, possums and more. White tailed deer fawns are by special permission only which I think stinks.. And coons are very hard to place in Ohio.

But we would all start with catagory one animals. Below is the info. They can send you your packet now though.


The final schedule and registration will be posted on the OWRA website by the end of August.
Www.owra.org

Hope to see you!!

Kristen Beck
Clover Field Wildlife Care
330.499.5788
IWR, Chairman
OWRA Trustee

Memememe! I'm in mason.. between Cincinnati and Dayton.. I want in on this! Do you have a email for her?

[Mommaluvy]

E
Kristen
Thanks for the info. I will have to check that out! I would SO love to be able to help sick injured animals!
Still praying that I get good info about Bo and Luke when I call to check on them! I gave them as much love and comfort as I knew how to do! I love those little guys!

Sorry.. Kristen is the person you would contact.

I just a lowly sub permittee :)

Sorry for the confusion

[Mommaluvy]

Memememe! I'm in mason.. between Cincinnati and Dayton.. I want in on this! Do you have a email for her?

Pwp it's on the ODow site but I will pm you.
I am just a tad south if you - bout 30 minutes. In Eastgate area .