Possible upper respitory 2-3 weeks old

[Squir-Earl]

This is a repost from "baby questions" someone told me i should move it here for better help.

I'll try to make this short, i'm currently rescuing 2 baby squirrels 2-3 weeks old one was found with head trauma. Blood coming from its nose and mouth, i've managed to stop the bleeding but he seems to have an upper respitory problem he will only eat .5cc's or less from his normal 3-4cc feedings (snot coming from its nose, wheezing from its nasal cavitys when breathing) his chest does not sound like it has fluid I cannot hear any crackling in there, but im worried about dehydration since hes not eating properly.

I would like to administer some sq LRS fluids about 5% of his weight divided into two administrations twice daily, and put him near a distilled humidifier for a few minutes to try and open up his nasal cavitys. Im a veterinary technician but have more experience with dogs and cats than small rodents, any advice would be greatly appreciated.

The Orphans were found about 2 days ago the healthy one is doing fine eating urinating and deficating, I got the lethargic one to deficate this morning and urinate yesterday but the poop may be from what it had left from its mothers milk. Not sure if i should start him on some baytril yet or not i would like to try non-medicine first and see if i can improve its health before he declines rapidly.

On the other post someone told me i should start the sick one on baytril asap can someone give me an appropriate dosage for him please? Any help would be much appreciated :thankyou

[island rehabber]

What is the baby's weight, and what strength Baytril do you have?

[Squir-Earl]

What is the baby's weight, and what strength Baytril do you have?

The baby weights 60grams and the strength I have is 50mg/ml when administering it should i dilute it and add it as part of the sq fluids? Im currently giving him 1cc of sq LRS 3 times daily 8hrs in between .5cc's in two areas on his hip

[farrelli]

The ill is 22.7 MG and we usually add 1CC of water, so your solution is twice as strong. I can tell you that the dose with our normal 22.7mg solution for a 60g squirrel would be 0.14CCs, so I guess your dose would be 0.07CCs, right? Normally, you do a loading dose of the full amount and then give half that amount twice a day thereafter.

Anyone have comment? I've never done injectable and Nancy is on vacation.

[island rehabber]

Squir-Earl, the Baytril dosage for your 60g baby, with the strength Baytril you have there, would be .012 BID.
You may give a loading dose of .025 the first time.

As this is such a tiny amount, unless the baby cannot keep anything down and is vomiting you should be able to slip it under his muzzle, drawn up in a syringe with a bit of sugar water.

[Squir-Earl]

Thank you all for the help

[Duckman]

It is HIGHLY recommended to administer Baytril via mouth rather than injection due to the risk of abscess at the injection site. Even all the vets I have ever dealt with give Baytril via mouth.

[Squir-Earl]

Squir-Earl, the Baytril dosage for your 60g baby, with the strength Baytril you have there, would be .012 BID.
You may give a loading dose of .025 the first time.

As this is such a tiny amount, unless the baby cannot keep anything down and is vomiting you should be able to slip it under his muzzle, drawn up in a syringe with a bit of sugar water.

Yeah the baby spits any kind of fluid thats given orally back out, i believe its because he cant breathe trough its nose he must feel like he's drowning when he swallows.

So to be correct I'm going to be administering 0.12 BID for 7 or 10 days? Or untill symptoms clear up? With a first time loading dose of 0.25 diluted into his sq LRS which i'm currently giving 1cc TID (0.5 ea. time in the R and L hip area)

Should I also continue nebulizing him twice daily with distilled water vapor? I heard it also helps with hydration, I'm using a "repti fogger" connected to a plastic shoe box with a lid for 5-8 minutes per time. Not sure if i should do longer?

Sorry for all the questions, i just want to make extra sure I do everything right. Thanks again

[Squir-Earl]

It is HIGHLY recommended to administer Baytril via mouth rather than injection due to the risk of abscess at the injection site. Even all the vets I have ever dealt with give Baytril via mouth.

I've been trying to give oral pedialite and offering formula but he will not swallow even 0.5cc's he will just gargle and spit everything back up and I'm afraid of forcing him to swallow and causing aspiration.

The respiratory infection is only upper at this time, his lungs don't sound like he's got fluid in them yet and i'd like to do my best to prevent that from happening.

Im satisfied that i'm at least able to maintain him some what hydrated and keep him expressing urine, but he seems very uncomfortable not being able to breath he breaths trough his mouth only

[Mommaluvy]

:Squirrel. Bump

[farrelli]

IR, how do you get your numbers? I believe that Baytril administration is usually made by adding a 22.7mg pill to 1 cc of water (resulting in a solution of 22.7m mg/ml), and with this solution, the mammal guide says that a 60g sq would get .014ccs. HOWEVER, SE has a pre-made solution of 50mg/ml, which would be TWICE the normal solution so by my calculations, that would mean an initial dose of HALF the normal dose, coming to .007ccs. How is this wrong?

[TubeDriver]

Yeah the baby spits any kind of fluid thats given orally back out, i believe its because he cant breathe trough its nose he must feel like he's drowning when he swallows.

So to be correct I'm going to be administering 0.12 BID for 7 or 10 days? Or untill symptoms clear up? With a first time loading dose of 0.25 diluted into his sq LRS which i'm currently giving 1cc TID (0.5 ea. time in the R and L hip area)

Should I also continue nebulizing him twice daily with distilled water vapor? I heard it also helps with hydration, I'm using a "repti fogger" connected to a plastic shoe box with a lid for 5-8 minutes per time. Not sure if i should do longer?

Sorry for all the questions, i just want to make extra sure I do everything right. Thanks again

Your dosing amounts listed above are not correct.

The dosage for oral administration using a 60mg/ml strength solution is

0.0125ml total per day or 0.0065ml BID

NOT .25ml (this is WAY to much med)

[island rehabber]

Squir-Earl, the Baytril dosage for your 60g baby, with the strength Baytril you have there, would be .012BID.
You may give a loading dose of .025 the first time.
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I never said .12, or .25!!!! Someone is (are) not reading correctly.

[TubeDriver]

I never said .12, or .25!!!! Someone is (are) not reading correctly.

I think the OP moved the decimal point over?

[Squir-Earl]

Squir-Earl, the Baytril dosage for your 60g baby, with the strength Baytril you have there, would be .012 BID.
You may give a loading dose of .025 the first time.

As this is such a tiny amount, unless the baby cannot keep anything down and is vomiting you should be able to slip it under his muzzle, drawn up in a syringe with a bit of sugar water.


I never said .12, or .25!!!! Someone is (are) not reading correctly.

My appologies 0.012 & 0.025 is what I ment, I am going to administer the first dosage now of 0.025 diluted with LRS thank you for the corrections

[island rehabber]

My appologies 0.012 & 0.025 is what I ment, I am going to administer the first dosage now of 0.025 diluted with LRS thank you for the corrections


STOP!!! HALF that, I believe, is correct because of the double strength Baytril you are working with!

[TubeDriver]

^^^^^^^VERY IMPORTANT POST ABOVE^^^^^^^^^^

0.0125ml total per day or 0.0065ml BID is what you want. The loading does today would be 0.0125ml followed by 0.007ml BID for 7-10 days.

[TubeDriver]

Also, related to the above posts, this amount (0.007ml) is a very small amount which will be hard to measure with the standard 1ml syringe. It might make sense to dilute 2x and double up the dose amounts. This dose is for oral administration.

[Squir-Earl]

Hey guys, I've only administered appx 0.012 sq since the dose is so small and i didnt want to over dose i've only used a "hub" of baytril diluted into 1.0cc of LRS I will be using some insulin syringes measured in units to administer 0.007 tomorrow thank you for all the help I truly appreciate it.

[TubeDriver]

:thumbsup Hope to hear some goods news about this squirrel soon!

[ctmom]

Updates please....

[Squir-Earl]

Great news after the first dosage of baytril injectible to the sick one he is now eating like a champ, the congestion in his nose is now minimal, I am still doing the nebulization 5 mins per time 2-3 times per day and suctioning out any mucus in his nasal cavity i do get some fluid out. One question in doubt now is, Should I still continue the baytril and move to oral?

On another note, the one that was healthy now has alot of bruising on one of his hind legs and its leg looks very swollen. I am not sure what happened I believe someone else that works with them may have held him wrong, or he must of got injured in his tank somehow.

I will be taking some X-rays of them in a few hours and try to see if its leg is broken or not and look into the other ones chest. I will keep you posted on that and probably make a new thread about the one with the hurt leg.

Thank you all again for the great help!

[farrelli]

Great news. Absolutely continue the ABs, and do switch to oral. Oral is the way it's really supposed to be done.

[TubeDriver]

Great news. Absolutely continue the ABs, and do switch to oral. Oral is the way it's really supposed to be done.

I also think the oral and injectable doses might be different? The amounts I provided are for oral dosing.

[Squir-Earl]

Hello fellow members I'd like to keep you posted that the orphans are doing well, the X-rays show no fracture on the leg of the one that showed bad bruising it must be sprained from him falling off the tree, and the one with upper respitory shows no fluid in its chest but he is still a bit congested from his nasal cavitys.

"TubeDriver" your right my baytril dosage will have to change. I currently have 22.7mg baytril tablets, what dosage do you guys recommend me continuing for the following 7 days?

And how would I go by creating a suspension should I use plain drinking water or something else? The current weight for the sick one is 58 grams even. Thanks again for your support

[TubeDriver]

Glad to hear things are going well. I will send you a PM.



Hello fellow members I'd like to keep you posted that the orphans are doing well, the X-rays show no fracture on the leg of the one that showed bad bruising it must be sprained from him falling off the tree, and the one with upper respitory shows no fluid in its chest but he is still a bit congested from his nasal cavitys.

"TubeDriver" your right my baytril dosage will have to change. I currently have 22.7mg baytril tablets, what dosage do you guys recommend me continuing for the following 7 days?

And how would I go by creating a suspension should I use plain drinking water or something else? There current weight is 58 grams even. Thanks again for your support

[ctmom]

Great news! Glad to hear they are on the mend.