Baby squirrels maybe clicking..

[Tiffany319]

Please please help I have been in a panic since I heard it. They are both doing it male and female click a bit not sure if it's with nose or chest I have immediate access to penicillin. They are about three weeks old and I know a couple of midnight feeding they aspirated but I tilted them up and let the liquid drain out before I continued feeding.. Please help me out please

[farrelli]

I'm very burnt,s so let's make this quick. We can talk on phone if needed. Do they click with every breath? Listen close to breathing. if so, it's life threatening. They die quick from it. Pen is bad. Got any other antibiotics? Cipro/baytril is wonderful. Anything else? look quick. I'm fading fast.

[farrelli]

Are you feeding properly:

http://thesquirrelboard.com/forums/showthread.php?36777-PROPER-FEEDING-TECHNIQUE!!


And what and how often are you feeding? Are you using a 1cc syringe? Are you keeping htem warm with the heating pad set on low under their contaner?

[Tiffany319]

Yes proper feeding fox valley and they stop clicking every once in awhile when I hold them in my hands for a minute.. Doxyclicine is the other I have

[Tiffany319]

Yes 1 cc syringe and heating pad I have been following all the advice exactly but now with the clicking sound I am so worried.. First problem in 5 days

[farrelli]

In my rehabber book that is't listed as treating pnu, so you need to get somethikng better. Call your friends. A single pill can be all that you need. Tell us all the ABs that you can find. Pet stores often seel them for fish, birds, and reptiles. Fish Flox is perfect.

[farrelli]

Keep warm and well hydrated.

[farrelli]

Are you near Denver or willing to drive? We have a member there with vet access and supplies.

[farrelli]

If you can do Dnever, PM amandaleet1972. She should be able to help.

[Tiffany319]

Cephalexin?

[Tiffany319]

I am about an hour away but will drive thank you so much!! I am pming her now

[farrelli]

Most pneumoniae is gram positive, so that can work. Not the best, but it can. We would need a weight on the squirrel and the strength of the Cephalexin to do proper dosing. Don;t give it before proper dosing. ODs can hurt internal organs. if you don;t have a scale, provide a pic or a few for best guess on weight.

[farrelli]

Is it the same? I'm sleep deprived, overworked, and have had a few on my one night a week when I can sometimes relax. How close is "same"? Dosed exactly? Never dosed it before.

[farrelli]

Step, do you have a dosing guide on Baytril/Cipro? If so, I'll happily step out now. I wouldn't even want to begin to guess on a pic for weight anyhow. If you don;t, and could guess on weight, I have the dosing guide.

[Tiffany319]

500 milligram

[farrelli]

Oh, sweet babies! Do you know weight? I'll PM Step for a best guess as I have no idea.

[Tiffany319]

I don't know, I feel ashamed to day but have been feeding 2 cc every 3 hours.. And was about to increase by 1/2 another..

[farrelli]

If Step doesn't come back, eyes still closed, right? I think that makes them TOTALLY ROUGHLY 90-ish grams. We'll wait on Step for a few minutes as best guess, but if he doens't come back in a few and properly guess weight and answer my ? about similarity, I'd propose that you wait three hours or so until our resident pharmacist (Nancy) is beck online.

[stepnstone]

Really not too advisable without proper weights but Let me look at some comparisons and see what I can come up with.

[farrelli]

You need to get a scale ($20) not only for this kind of thing, but to tell how much to feed and how they're progressing. You feed 5-7% of body weight as a rule, which for a 100g sq would be 5-7 CCs, as an example.

[farrelli]

Btw, you would feed about every 4 hours for these guys, so I think you're significantly under feeding. Step? Remember, I'm not super great right now. I got paged at 5AM for work and have been up since then, and had a few glasses of wine.

[stepnstone]

On an average 3 weeks old should weigh between 70 & 80 grams,
could probably dose on the lower end and be pretty safe with the
looks of those two.

[farrelli]

So you or me on the dosing? Quick!

[Tiffany319]

Thank you guys I appericiate it so much!!!

[stepnstone]

go for it, I'm still looking 4 chart

[farrelli]

Here's my recommendation. Setp. double check me, and if you have the image that Stosh has of the 1cc syringe to make sure they're looking at the right thing, please post it.


Always shake it really well before dosing. refrigerate.

[farrelli]

Btw, this dosages is for a 80G sq, as per Step's representation of average weight and that this drug is the same as Baytril. I'm tired and tipsy, but can still do basic math.

[stepnstone]

Hold on for a minute, something is not right I don't think...

[farrelli]

You know, as an aside, THIS is what I call professionalism. Lots of bullshyte is passed off as professionalism these days, and most of it is actually just doing unethical things to undeserving people in the name of self interest, and then calling that heartlessness "professionalism". But here Step and I are, two guys who have had disagreements in the past, working together towards a common good. The business world is absolutely awash is amoral self deception, but TSB is actually a pretty professional place (usually).

[stepnstone]

Cephalexin is Keflex, don't see where it's used for pneumonia ??

[stepnstone]

farrelli, you been sip-n the bottle, not going to say what I been doing. LoL
But here we are... good ol'tsb!

[farrelli]

So it's not the same as Baytril? I was going by your statement. It is good for gram positive bacteria, but I don;t know if it's doesd the same. I was going by what you said.

Given the confusion, I would wait for Nancy who will be up in an hour or two. I will PM her now.

This was a gong show, though I stand by my statement of professionalism.

[Tiffany319]

Made it as soon as you told me but haven't given them any so double the water.. I will do! I would do about anything for these two little guys right now!!

[Tiffany319]

Ok I'll wait the clicking isn't constant at this point and they still move well

[farrelli]

farrelli, you been sip-n the bottle, not going to say what I been doing. LoL
But here we are... good ol'tsb!

Yes, I have. I said that. I just did the math. You said it was the same as Baytril/Cipro and I dosed as such. I don't think the math is wrong. If your premise is incorrect though, and they;re not the same, the dosing guide is incorrect.

So, again bottom line, wait for nancy.

[stepnstone]

I use Nancy as my cheat sheet/guide. Here is her 250 Cipro info, so you would just double the water:

That's what I've been looking for and can't find but it sounds right to me.

[farrelli]

So Tiffany, please check back in an hour or two. Nancy gets up at 5:00 - 6:00 and should have your answer. Though Amanda may have a vet for you, which would be best. But, buy a cale today!

[stepnstone]

here's what I'm trying to convey...

Baytril is Ciprofloxacin
Keflex is Cephalexin

Two different meds, two different purposes.
Keflex might be better then nothing but it's not
spelled out for aspiration pneumonia according
to WMB.

[stepnstone]

if you have the image that Stosh has of the 1cc syringe to make sure they're looking at the right thing, please post it.


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[Nancy in New York]

Ok I'll wait the clicking isn't constant at this point and they still move well

Tiffany, I'm on now and can dose for you.
Tell me what you have and the mg's and I will dose for you.
I will keep
checking TSB for your reply. :thumbsup

[island rehabber]

Thank you Nancy.....and a special thank you to the party boys on the night shift.....Good job, gentlemen, holding the fort! :grin2

[Tiffany319]

Hi Nancy, I have penicillin, doxycycline and cephalexin.. Will any of these work? If so how much?

[Nancy in New York]

Tiffany I'm here and will send you a pm in about 5 minutes! :thumbsup

Actually none of the drugs are good for pneumonia, is it possible to call around to get ONE Cipro pill (the drug for humans),
usually prescribed for UTI's,
or Baytril, same as Cipro but for animals.
Just for your info. NEVER give penicillin.:thumbsup

[stepnstone]

Thank you Nancy.....and a special thank you to the party boys on the night shift.....Good job, gentlemen, holding the fort! :grin2

:rofl4.. :baghead

:flash3.Thank you Nancy... :grouphug

[Nancy in New York]

:rofl4.. :baghead

:flash3.Thank you Nancy... :grouphug

Thank you step and farrelli (our resident FRIDAY night crew).
What an entertaining thread you both made......:grin
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[island rehabber]

Thank you step and farrelli (our resident FRIDAY night crew).
What an entertaining thread you both made......:grin
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:jump :jump Nancy where DO you get those smilies? :rofl4

[Nancy in New York]

:jump :jump Nancy where DO you get those smilies? :rofl4

With these, I just did a google search of stepnstone/farrelli on a Friday night. :eek

[amandaleet1972]

Sorry I didn't get your message sooner- I've been working doubles all week. I did PM you back.. I would call CSU ASAP since you are right there and see if they can hook you up with a closer rehabber- or squirrel friendly vet.. I'm sure they can, and you should be able to reach someone 24/7.. You might have to try several different departments but I know you can get in contact with someone..

[Nancy in New York]

Hi Nancy, I have penicillin, doxycycline and cephalexin.. Will any of these work? If so how much?

[B]Let me know the mg of the cephalexin.

[Tiffany319]

Hi nacy I private messages you my husband got erythomycin from the fish store while I was at work.. It's 200 mg packs

[Tiffany319]

Nancy sorry about misspelling of your name tired up all night with squirrels worked all day today :-(

[Nancy in New York]

Hi nacy I private messages you my husband got erythomycin from the fish store while I was at work.. It's 200 mg packs

I've never used that on a squirrel, what mg is the Cephalexin? I will dose it for you in a pm.

[Nancy in New York]

Nancy sorry about misspelling of your name tired up all night with squirrels worked all day today :-(

Not a problem, I knew who you meant. :grin2

[stepnstone]

With these, I just did a google search of stepnstone/farrelli on a Friday night. :eek

You crack me up!! :rofl4

[amandaleet1972]

Any news on these guys? Sorry I couldn't help more-- my hands and house are full :-/